The Illegals Must Go Home

[Pale Rider]

The Illegals Must Go Home



Today, Americans face an unprecedented illegal immigration crisis facilitated by multi-billion dollar drug and human importing cartels as well as corporations which are inducing the invasion by aiding and abetting illegal aliens and using their influence on the Executive Branch and elections to paralyze existing immigration laws supported by over 80% of the American citizenry.

These events are not random and chaotic. Massive illegal immigration is the result of non-enforcement and under-enforcement of our existing immigration laws.

Supporters of illegal aliens love to claim that our immigration system is broken. The system is not broken. Elite financial and political business interests who could care less about the death and devastation they are causing Americans have sabotaged the system. Their profits continue to rise as they send the rest of America spiraling downward on a path to anarchy and Third World quality-of-life conditions.

By using their influence to suspend our existing laws, these globalist special interests have deprived all Americans of political representation as well as their votes, their voice, and a functioning Republic for which our flag stands.



When the laws of the American people – debated and voted on by their duly-elected Congressional Representatives and signed into law by the President – go intentionally under-enforced by the Executive Branch, all of the principles, sovereignty, and self-governance of Americans are derailed. The will of the American public, the existing laws, the US Constitution, and the borders of our great nation are perceived as market hindrances to the global elite. We the people of America are perceived as peasants and subjects beneath the power of their influence.

The American public has spoken through our lawmakers and in numerous polls. A super majority of Americans want our existing laws enforced, those responsible for illegal immigration fined and/or imprisoned, the borders secured, and illegal aliens deported from the United States for many years or permanently. These fact remain, despite several politicized polls which attempt to manufacture consent and make you believe such views represent a minority.

The truth is that most Americans want the illegal aliens to return to the nations of which they are citizens. The rallying cry is: "Illegals Go Home!"

We could easily list 101 reasons why Americans are upset about illegal immigration. Most are concerned about the 4,000+ preventable deaths of Americans by the criminal acts of illegal aliens on our soil each year. No corporate propaganda will change the fact that most Americans do not want to surrender or capitulate to the lawless masses rushing into our nation.

No poll or politicized source is needed to prove this point because the decision is based upon our nation's successful history and basic common sense. The answer is based on something that every judge, lawmaker, and even street thug knows. The penalties must outweigh the benefits if you want to deter any action.

It is common sense and common practice in America that for any law to be a deterrent, two important factors are in play. First, the laws must be enforced, and second, the penalties for any crime must exceed the benefits to those breaking the law.

It is truly amazing that we find ourselves as a nation having to explain these basic foundations of law to corporations and politicians in the year 2007 despite their existence since the dawn of civilization! Can you imagine what would happen in America if the penalty for robbing a bank was that you had to return half of the money you stole if, and only if, you were apprehended for the crime? What if the penalty for car theft was paying a $2,000 fine if you were caught with the stolen vehicle?

The answers are clear. Within a month, you would not have a bank open in America and you would not be able to keep a car worth more than $2,000 in your driveway for more than a week. How many millions of people would quickly take up the careers of bank robber and car thief once the rewards for the crime were higher than the penalty?

If American businesses and homes left their windows and doors unlocked each night and robbers were merely removed by police when detected – only to try again the next night – what do you think would happen? If big, global businesses practiced the same non-enforcement of security similar to the lack of border security and lack of immigration enforcement they have facilitated for Americans, they would be out of business in a matter of days or weeks. If they left their doors unlocked at night and just pushed people back to the street, America would quickly descend into such chaos and anarchy that we would be unable to sustain a population of 300 million. Our population would take a hit similar to the impact of the Black Plague on Europe, and we would quickly enter a new dark age.

Since illegal aliens can never afford to compensate Americans for what they have taken, they must go. We do not need to go door to door looking for illegals to deport in America. Attrition through enforcement works. Illegal aliens are leaving the states of Georgia and Pennsylvania in droves, not because they are enforcing the laws but because they have simply announced they plan to start!

Unfortunately, the current state of affairs in America has illegals flooding in by the millions each year and many law-abiding Americans fleeing the states of California and Texas and many towns and cities in search of more safety and security. Many Americans are on the run and finding few places left to run to.

The illegal aliens are sending a clear message on the streets of Los Angeles and other major urban centers. They are saying: "This is our land. White, black, and legal Hispanics get out!"

This is great news for the housing and real estate markets, Wal-Mart, and McDonalds. They are growing the economy using rapid population growth. This is great news for big corporations and bad news for Americans.

Attrition through enforcement will work. In fact, if President George Bush were to announce on national television that America would begin securing our borders and enforcing our existing laws in one month, so many illegal aliens would leave America that Mexico would have to set up refuge stations!

Another important reason that the illegal aliens must leave for the long term is that they'll return to their home communities with a message for their neighbors that their ill-gotten gains did not pay off in America. This is the only thing that will stop, or slow, the flow. Deporting illegal aliens and sending them packing is the only real way we can put a stop to this crisis.

The politicians in DC are very aware that Americans want the illegal aliens to go. That is why their latest Scamnesty legislation includes a “touchback” provision. Under these laws, the illegal aliens can hop across the Mexican or Canadian borders where special "Ellis Island" stations are set up for them to pay a fine, receive new documentation and be back in the US within days or hours.

The lunatics advocating this plan are counting on Americans to be so stupid and so gullible that they can say, "Look, the illegals left and walked back in legally. Problem solved!" They are eager to pretend to accommodate the American desires for the illegals to leave while quickly returning their slave labor force to our nation.

They know that Americans want illegals to leave and get behind a long line of legal immigrants waiting to enter the US, including millions of people who have been waiting 5-10 years. These politicians and the illegal aliens need to be shown the way to the back of the line. The back of the line is back in the country in which they are citizens, 5-10 years down the road behind all of the talented and law-abiding people who respect our laws.

If these traitorous corporations and politicians succeed in setting up these Ellis Island stations for “Operation Touchback," the revered symbol of Ellis Island will take on a new meaning that Americans see with contempt and resentment. Ellis Island will become a name associated with the horrendous betrayal of free Americans and the deathblow to the American Republic. This is a symbol of America’s surrender and the subjugation of all her people.

If we allow the politicians in DC to sign off on the many Guest Worker, Temporary Worker, Path to Citizenship, Amnesty, Scamnesty bills written by the US Chamber of Commerce, then no wall with an army on top of it will stop the next 20 million from crashing down on our country. We will have signaled that America is weak and will capitulate and accommodate. Already, the word is out in Central and South America that they can come and stay. Each time President Bush has opened his mouth about such programs, the US Border Patrol reports massive spikes in illegal crossings.

Since there is literally no end to the stream of illegals who want to be in America, this will be the end of America as we have known it and as history has praised it.

In the past, when America has cracked down on illegal immigration and the American people have signaled they want the immigration brakes applied, the policies have worked. New laws written near the turn of the 20th century greatly reduced the amount of immigration into America. When Presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower launched large deportation campaigns in the 1950s and 1930s, illegal immigration slowed to minuscule levels as a result.

Whether you agree or disagree with the decisions of the past, these policies were part of the successful formula that have led America to become the most opulent and successful civilization in human history.

While some argue that these enforcement measures were racist and that some American citizens of different races were improperly deported at the time, we now have the technology and methodology in place to assure that American citizens and legal immigrants are not improperly affected by our immigration enforcement efforts.

The difference in 2007 is that the globalist corporations that have hijacked the American government want to stop the American citizenry from applying the brakes this time. They have taken away our ability to determine who can enter our nation and our ability to stop armed and unarmed invasions as granted by the US Constitution.

To take away the self-governance of Americans is to kill the very thing that has made us such a great and successful nation.

In a time of crisis like this, we must stand firm on the principles that have made America an attractive and great nation. We must stand firm on the rule of law. The law must be applied equally to big corporations and illegal aliens alike lest we all become slaves subject to the plans of masters instead of a free and empowered citizenry.

Illegal aliens and corporations must endure penalties for their illegal, deadly, and destructive actions that exceed the benefits they gain from their illegal activities.

The hour is late and it is time for Americans to stand up and say with one voice...

No Amnesty! No Guest Worker! Secure our borders and enforce the existing laws! Restore the American Republic!

The illegals must go.

Illegals go home!

William Gheen
President, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC)
press@alipac.us


http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_106057.asp

[Dilloduck]

The Illegals Must Go Home



Today, Americans face an unprecedented illegal immigration crisis facilitated by multi-billion dollar drug and human importing cartels as well as corporations which are inducing the invasion by aiding and abetting illegal aliens and using their influence on the Executive Branch and elections to paralyze existing immigration laws supported by over 80% of the American citizenry.

These events are not random and chaotic. Massive illegal immigration is the result of non-enforcement and under-enforcement of our existing immigration laws.

Supporters of illegal aliens love to claim that our immigration system is broken. The system is not broken. Elite financial and political business interests who could care less about the death and devastation they are causing Americans have sabotaged the system. Their profits continue to rise as they send the rest of America spiraling downward on a path to anarchy and Third World quality-of-life conditions.

By using their influence to suspend our existing laws, these globalist special interests have deprived all Americans of political representation as well as their votes, their voice, and a functioning Republic for which our flag stands.



When the laws of the American people – debated and voted on by their duly-elected Congressional Representatives and signed into law by the President – go intentionally under-enforced by the Executive Branch, all of the principles, sovereignty, and self-governance of Americans are derailed. The will of the American public, the existing laws, the US Constitution, and the borders of our great nation are perceived as market hindrances to the global elite. We the people of America are perceived as peasants and subjects beneath the power of their influence.

The American public has spoken through our lawmakers and in numerous polls. A super majority of Americans want our existing laws enforced, those responsible for illegal immigration fined and/or imprisoned, the borders secured, and illegal aliens deported from the United States for many years or permanently. These fact remain, despite several politicized polls which attempt to manufacture consent and make you believe such views represent a minority.

The truth is that most Americans want the illegal aliens to return to the nations of which they are citizens. The rallying cry is: "Illegals Go Home!"

We could easily list 101 reasons why Americans are upset about illegal immigration. Most are concerned about the 4,000+ preventable deaths of Americans by the criminal acts of illegal aliens on our soil each year. No corporate propaganda will change the fact that most Americans do not want to surrender or capitulate to the lawless masses rushing into our nation.

No poll or politicized source is needed to prove this point because the decision is based upon our nation's successful history and basic common sense. The answer is based on something that every judge, lawmaker, and even street thug knows. The penalties must outweigh the benefits if you want to deter any action.

It is common sense and common practice in America that for any law to be a deterrent, two important factors are in play. First, the laws must be enforced, and second, the penalties for any crime must exceed the benefits to those breaking the law.

It is truly amazing that we find ourselves as a nation having to explain these basic foundations of law to corporations and politicians in the year 2007 despite their existence since the dawn of civilization! Can you imagine what would happen in America if the penalty for robbing a bank was that you had to return half of the money you stole if, and only if, you were apprehended for the crime? What if the penalty for car theft was paying a $2,000 fine if you were caught with the stolen vehicle?

The answers are clear. Within a month, you would not have a bank open in America and you would not be able to keep a car worth more than $2,000 in your driveway for more than a week. How many millions of people would quickly take up the careers of bank robber and car thief once the rewards for the crime were higher than the penalty?

If American businesses and homes left their windows and doors unlocked each night and robbers were merely removed by police when detected – only to try again the next night – what do you think would happen? If big, global businesses practiced the same non-enforcement of security similar to the lack of border security and lack of immigration enforcement they have facilitated for Americans, they would be out of business in a matter of days or weeks. If they left their doors unlocked at night and just pushed people back to the street, America would quickly descend into such chaos and anarchy that we would be unable to sustain a population of 300 million. Our population would take a hit similar to the impact of the Black Plague on Europe, and we would quickly enter a new dark age.

Since illegal aliens can never afford to compensate Americans for what they have taken, they must go. We do not need to go door to door looking for illegals to deport in America. Attrition through enforcement works. Illegal aliens are leaving the states of Georgia and Pennsylvania in droves, not because they are enforcing the laws but because they have simply announced they plan to start!

Unfortunately, the current state of affairs in America has illegals flooding in by the millions each year and many law-abiding Americans fleeing the states of California and Texas and many towns and cities in search of more safety and security. Many Americans are on the run and finding few places left to run to.

The illegal aliens are sending a clear message on the streets of Los Angeles and other major urban centers. They are saying: "This is our land. White, black, and legal Hispanics get out!"

This is great news for the housing and real estate markets, Wal-Mart, and McDonalds. They are growing the economy using rapid population growth. This is great news for big corporations and bad news for Americans.

Attrition through enforcement will work. In fact, if President George Bush were to announce on national television that America would begin securing our borders and enforcing our existing laws in one month, so many illegal aliens would leave America that Mexico would have to set up refuge stations!

Another important reason that the illegal aliens must leave for the long term is that they'll return to their home communities with a message for their neighbors that their ill-gotten gains did not pay off in America. This is the only thing that will stop, or slow, the flow. Deporting illegal aliens and sending them packing is the only real way we can put a stop to this crisis.

The politicians in DC are very aware that Americans want the illegal aliens to go. That is why their latest Scamnesty legislation includes a “touchback” provision. Under these laws, the illegal aliens can hop across the Mexican or Canadian borders where special "Ellis Island" stations are set up for them to pay a fine, receive new documentation and be back in the US within days or hours.

The lunatics advocating this plan are counting on Americans to be so stupid and so gullible that they can say, "Look, the illegals left and walked back in legally. Problem solved!" They are eager to pretend to accommodate the American desires for the illegals to leave while quickly returning their slave labor force to our nation.

They know that Americans want illegals to leave and get behind a long line of legal immigrants waiting to enter the US, including millions of people who have been waiting 5-10 years. These politicians and the illegal aliens need to be shown the way to the back of the line. The back of the line is back in the country in which they are citizens, 5-10 years down the road behind all of the talented and law-abiding people who respect our laws.

If these traitorous corporations and politicians succeed in setting up these Ellis Island stations for “Operation Touchback," the revered symbol of Ellis Island will take on a new meaning that Americans see with contempt and resentment. Ellis Island will become a name associated with the horrendous betrayal of free Americans and the deathblow to the American Republic. This is a symbol of America’s surrender and the subjugation of all her people.

If we allow the politicians in DC to sign off on the many Guest Worker, Temporary Worker, Path to Citizenship, Amnesty, Scamnesty bills written by the US Chamber of Commerce, then no wall with an army on top of it will stop the next 20 million from crashing down on our country. We will have signaled that America is weak and will capitulate and accommodate. Already, the word is out in Central and South America that they can come and stay. Each time President Bush has opened his mouth about such programs, the US Border Patrol reports massive spikes in illegal crossings.

Since there is literally no end to the stream of illegals who want to be in America, this will be the end of America as we have known it and as history has praised it.

In the past, when America has cracked down on illegal immigration and the American people have signaled they want the immigration brakes applied, the policies have worked. New laws written near the turn of the 20th century greatly reduced the amount of immigration into America. When Presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower launched large deportation campaigns in the 1950s and 1930s, illegal immigration slowed to minuscule levels as a result.

Whether you agree or disagree with the decisions of the past, these policies were part of the successful formula that have led America to become the most opulent and successful civilization in human history.

While some argue that these enforcement measures were racist and that some American citizens of different races were improperly deported at the time, we now have the technology and methodology in place to assure that American citizens and legal immigrants are not improperly affected by our immigration enforcement efforts.

The difference in 2007 is that the globalist corporations that have hijacked the American government want to stop the American citizenry from applying the brakes this time. They have taken away our ability to determine who can enter our nation and our ability to stop armed and unarmed invasions as granted by the US Constitution.

To take away the self-governance of Americans is to kill the very thing that has made us such a great and successful nation.

In a time of crisis like this, we must stand firm on the principles that have made America an attractive and great nation. We must stand firm on the rule of law. The law must be applied equally to big corporations and illegal aliens alike lest we all become slaves subject to the plans of masters instead of a free and empowered citizenry.

Illegal aliens and corporations must endure penalties for their illegal, deadly, and destructive actions that exceed the benefits they gain from their illegal activities.

The hour is late and it is time for Americans to stand up and say with one voice...

No Amnesty! No Guest Worker! Secure our borders and enforce the existing laws! Restore the American Republic!

The illegals must go.

Illegals go home!

William Gheen
President, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC)
press@alipac.us


http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_106057.asp

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Nailed it.
If politicians and business want to import cheap labor, let them pay for it by themselves. Let THEM be the ones who haul them in on slave trains or boats and stick em into labor camps. THEY can feed, house and care for them while they bust ass at a fenced in work camp.

[loosecannon]

By using their influence to suspend our existing laws, these globalist special interests have deprived all Americans of political representation as well as their votes, their voice, and a functioning Republic for which our flag stands.



THIS is true in MANY ways even if the immigration issue did not exist.

Our federal government is being hijacked by monied interests and our votes barely matter anymore.

The end of our democracy IS contained within this impasse. Even if immigration wasn't an issue.

But it is.

[Dilloduck]

THIS is true in MANY ways even if the immigration issue did not exist.

Our federal government is being hijacked by monied interests and our votes barely matter anymore.

The end of our democracy IS contained within this impasse. Even if immigration wasn't an issue.

But it is.

Agreed--how much do we as American people want to sell out our country and become part of some global mish mash run by those who want to use us for their gain?

[Pale Rider]

If this amnesty bill, and it IS amnesty, were to pass, it will be the first BIG step towards the total demise of America as we know it. The unrest it would produce in states that disagree with it will be enormous. We will be on the cusp of secession of states, yes, a civil war.

Call me an alarmist. But that's what I see.

[loosecannon]

Agreed--how much do we as American people want to sell out our country and become part of some global mish mash run by those who want to use us for their gain?

Not any more.

Did you know that the globalization movement is dependent on the US? That without our help it can not happen?

[LiberalNation]

Never gona happen. There are too many, besides the price on lots of things would go up without the cheap labor they bring. America has always had waves of immigration and people have always gotten parniod causing a backlash against them. Same ol, same ol, but all those waves ended in sucess and I'm betting this one will as well in time.

[Hobbit]

Never gona happen. There are too many, besides the price on lots of things would go up without the cheap labor they bring.

3% or less is the estimated maximum price increase on goods that have a significant amount of illegal labor. If you can't pay $.03 more per head of lettuce in order to save this country from becoming another extension of Mexico, you've got problems.

[loosecannon]

If this amnesty bill, and it IS amnesty, were to pass, it will be the first BIG step towards the total demise of America as we know it. The unrest it would produce in states that disagree with it will be enormous. We will be on the cusp of secession of states, yes, a civil war.

Call me an alarmist. But that's what I see.

Wow secessions. Hard to picture it since these illegals are already here.

But it would definitely be the slow death of America as we know it. In 30 years whites will be the minority.

Maybe in 8 years the US will have open borders with MX and CA.

Everything will change in a generation, or as you suggest much less.

[LiberalNation]

3% or less is the estimated maximum price increase on goods that have a significant amount of illegal labor. If you can't pay $.03 more per head of lettuce in order to save this country from becoming another extension of Mexico, you've got problems.
They are also big in construction, yard labor an such. All that will go up, not to mention most Americans won’t do that back breaking labor if there are other jobs available without a huge raise in pay.

Extension of Mexico, pulleezz.

[Dilloduck]

Not any more.

Did you know that the globalization movement is dependent on the US? That without our help it can not happen?


without our help

You mean American people?----It doesn't appear as though we have a choice.

[gabosaurus]

Who is going to make them go home?

Are we talking about just the Mexicans, or anyone in the country illegally?

How are you going to find them? Are you going to go house to house, asking everyone for their proof of citizenship?

Can YOU prove that you are a citizen? Do you carry actual proof on your person?

Are you willing to pay MUCH higher taxes to fund this mammoth endeavor?

If you get rid of the illegals, you will be forcing companies to hire legal residents. Who will demand higher wages and better working conditions. This will be reflected in higher prices for goods and services. Are you willing to pay for this?

[nevadamedic]

Who is going to make them go home?

Are we talking about just the Mexicans, or anyone in the country illegally?

How are you going to find them? Are you going to go house to house, asking everyone for their proof of citizenship?

Can YOU prove that you are a citizen? Do you carry actual proof on your person?

Are you willing to pay MUCH higher taxes to fund this mammoth endeavor?

If you get rid of the illegals, you will be forcing companies to hire legal residents. Who will demand higher wages and better working conditions. This will be reflected in higher prices for goods and services. Are you willing to pay for this?

I dont think anyone here is saying just the Hispanic illegals, were saying anyone that is here illegally.

[Pale Rider]

Never gona happen. There are too many, besides the price on lots of things would go up without the cheap labor they bring. America has always had waves of immigration and people have always gotten parniod causing a backlash against them. Same ol, same ol, but all those waves ended in sucess and I'm betting this one will as well in time.

Thank God that this country wasn't full of lilly livered, defeatist, liberals such as you a century or two ago. We wouldn't HAVE a country.

Grow a spine LN. Try being part of the solution for once instead of the problem. We haven't even TRIED to correct this yet, and you and your yellow bellied surrender queens have already given up. Seriously, what kind of crap is that? How can you live with yourself?

[Pale Rider]

Who is going to make them go home?
It's the law... remember? America has laws? Or don't you care about laws?


Are we talking about just the Mexicans, or anyone in the country illegally?
Anyone here illegaly. Got any harder questions?


How are you going to find them? Are you going to go house to house, asking everyone for their proof of citizenship?

It's been purported here as a way many times over already, and I suspect you're read it, but a very good way to start indentifying and deporting illegals would as they're encountered by law enforcement.


Can YOU prove that you are a citizen? Do you carry actual proof on your person?
You bet your defeatist ass I can prove I was born here, just as my parents can, and their parents before them. Can't you?


Are you willing to pay MUCH higher taxes to fund this mammoth endeavor?
The cost of having them here is far more than what the cost of getting rid of them would be. Give them amnesty, and our economy will be crippled in a matter of ten years. You want that?


If you get rid of the illegals, you will be forcing companies to hire legal residents. Who will demand higher wages and better working conditions. This will be reflected in higher prices for goods and services. Are you willing to pay for this?
Nobody is going to DEMAND HIGHER WAGES. What in blue blazes do you think America did BEFORE the damn illegals got here? How the hell do think we made it as far as we have without them? Your reasoning and roll over attitude is right out of the toilet.

[Monkeybone]

would it be too hard to start making a US citizen ID? you have to have one to get a job, drivers liscense, certain kinda things that would require it. you get stopped or can't present one/not in the database, then they hand you over to the immigration ppl.

[Nukeman]

Never gona happen. There are too many, besides the price on lots of things would go up without the cheap labor they bring. America has always had waves of immigration and people have always gotten parniod causing a backlash against them. Same ol, same ol, but all those waves ended in sucess and I'm betting this one will as well in time.

The big problem with your analogy is that the other waves of immigration occured LEGALY. The people we are talking about are the illegals.

When you have a mass influx of people from a specific area when they come here legally they have to understand the language, history, and laws of the US. In other words they have to have a degree of assimilation

When you have mass illegals from the same area they dont have to learn a damn thing about this great country. They really could care less about our laws, history, and language. They have no incentive to fit in especially when we have people such as yourself willing to make excuses for thier illegal activity and even feel sorry for them by mandating that WE give THEM interpreters.

Do you see the difference???? or are you so blinded by the plight of the "poor Mexican" ????

[5stringJeff]

Never gona happen. There are too many, besides the price on lots of things would go up without the cheap labor they bring. America has always had waves of immigration and people have always gotten parniod causing a backlash against them. Same ol, same ol, but all those waves ended in sucess and I'm betting this one will as well in time.

If cheap labor was what made a country an economic powerhouse, then why isn't Mexico the greatest economy in the world? They're the source of cheap labor, after all!

[Kathianne]

If cheap labor was what made a country an economic powerhouse, then why isn't Mexico the greatest economy in the world? They're the source of cheap labor, after all!

Yep, bad for our workers now, worse for the rest of us in the long run:

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech...t_mexicans.htm

[TheSage]

Liberals making neocon arguments. Funny. Now that the neocon globalist movement has been revealed as a tool to destroy america, some libs are turning on to it. Fascinating.

[loosecannon]

You mean American people?----It doesn't appear as though we have a choice.

WE can stop globalization if we want to, even we the people.

The rewason why is because globalization can only occur if there is a single world reserve currency.

Before 1971 every successful national economy was developed by investing internally.

Since 1971 every succesful national economy was developed by export.

The single world currency foirces economies to be export based instead of nationalistic.

Establish a single world reserve currency globalization will occur.

Eliminate a single world reserve currency and globalization fails.

[Monkeybone]

cheap labor illegals provide = all in cash, no taxes, no health or benefits cost.

[Dilloduck]

WE can stop globalization if we want to, even we the people.

The rewason why is because globalization can only occur if there is a single world reserve currency.

Before 1971 every successful national economy was developed by investing internally.

Since 1971 every succesful national economy was developed by export.

The single world currency foirces economies to be export based instead of nationalistic.

Establish a single world reserve currency globalization will occur.

Eliminate a single world reserve currency and globalization fails.

There IS no WE in America. Who are you kidding?

[loosecannon]

There IS no WE in America. Who are you kidding?

?

[Doniston]

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Nailed it.
If politicians and business want to import cheap labor, let them pay for it by themselves. Let THEM be the ones who haul them in on slave trains or boats and stick em into labor camps. THEY can feed, house and care for them while they bust ass at a fenced in work camp.

You can say "Nailed it" all you want. but the only nails you will find are the ones in the coffin of that particular Idea.

Sending twelve Million people back hom, so they can come again is about as idiotic and unworkable proposition as can be. IT CAN'T HAPPEN.

[Doniston]

If this amnesty bill, and it IS amnesty, were to pass, it will be the first BIG step towards the total demise of America as we know it. The unrest it would produce in states that disagree with it will be enormous. We will be on the cusp of secession of states, yes, a civil war.

Call me an alarmist. But that's what I see.

OF COURSE it is an amnesty bill (in spite of the naysayers). but it's the only way we can go. (once it is made better)

The way I read the current provisions is that it will only put the present illegals on the road to citizenship "If" they pay a fine, etc.

those that don't will simply be decriminalized and without documentation. It is a bandaid approach, with virtually nothing solved, and I too, am strongly opposed in it's present form.

[Dilloduck]

You can say "Nailed it" all you want. but the only nails you will find are the ones in the coffin of that particular Idea.

Sending twelve Million people back hom, so they can come again is about as idiotic and unworkable proposition as can be. IT CAN'T HAPPEN.

notice !----I didn't say a thing about letting them return. Please learn how to read.

[Kathianne]

You can say "Nailed it" all you want. but the only nails you will find are the ones in the coffin of that particular Idea.

Sending twelve Million people back hom, so they can come again is about as idiotic and unworkable proposition as can be. IT CAN'T HAPPEN.

All that needs to be done is to enforce our laws, something the executive branch has failed to do. I really could care less about identifying and deporting all the illegals, all they have to do is identify, fine, then jail the employers.

The 'workers' are only trying to get something better than home, if not here, they would return.

[Doniston]

Wow secessions. Hard to picture it since these illegals are already here.



Maybe in 8 years the US will have open borders with MX and CA.


Perhaps not in 8 years, but I do think the North American alliance will come about with that result.

[Doniston]

Thank God that this country wasn't full of lilly livered, defeatist, liberals such as you a century or two ago. We wouldn't HAVE a country.

Grow a spine LN. Try being part of the solution for once instead of the problem. We haven't even TRIED to correct this yet, and you and your yellow bellied surrender queens have already given up. Seriously, what kind of crap is that? How can you live with yourself?

Very easily. he has more company than you do.

[Doniston]

notice !----I didn't say a thing about letting them return. Please learn how to read. I didn't say you did but "I DID." please try to comprehend.

Touche'

Do you honestly think that wall, (or our laws) would stop them????

[Doniston]

All that needs to be done is to enforce our laws, something the executive branch has failed to do. I really could care less about identifying and deporting all the illegals, all they have to do is identify, fine, then jail the employers.

The 'workers' are only trying to get something better than home, if not here, they would return. You are sorta preaching to the Choir here, I agree basically, but I also think we need a better ID system for them. I am all for bringing the pressure to bear in the employers.

[Kathianne]

You are sorta preaching to the Choir here, I agree basically, but I also think we need a better ID system for them. I am all for bringing the pressure to bear in the employers.

If there were an absence of incentives, the only ones crossing could be intercepted quite easily-no fence needed.

Up the number of immigrants from Mexico allowed to enter legally, especially the educated.

[Doniston]

If there were an absence of incentives, the only ones crossing could be intercepted quite easily-no fence needed.

Up the number of immigrants from Mexico allowed to enter legally, especially the educated. No problem with either of those, but you are still neglecting the millions alredy here.

[Dilloduck]

No problem with either of those, but you are still neglecting the millions alredy here.

"a journey of a thousand miles begins with single step"

somebody famous

[Dilloduck]

I didn't say you did but "I DID." please try to comprehend.

Touche'

Do you honestly think that wall, (or our laws) would stop them????

You mean "do we have the ability to enforce it?" Hell ya we do.

[Pale Rider]

You can say "Nailed it" all you want. but the only nails you will find are the ones in the coffin of that particular Idea.

Sending twelve Million people back hom, so they can come again is about as idiotic and unworkable proposition as can be. IT CAN'T HAPPEN.

If you and your roll over and die cowards were in charge, we couldn't. If I was in charge having the majority of American's behind me, which they are, YOU BET YOUR YELLOW ASS IT COULD HAPPEN.

Every time you people say it can't happen, you INSULT the will of the American people. People like me. I think you should leave America. You are NOT a good citizen, and you are NOT helping. YOU are part of the PROBLEM.

[Pale Rider]

All that needs to be done is to enforce our laws, something the executive branch has failed to do. I really could care less about identifying and deporting all the illegals, all they have to do is identify, fine, then jail the employers.

The 'workers' are only trying to get something better than home, if not here, they would return.

I totally agree with this. I think it's a great tool, but is largely ignored. Primarily because it's the big businesses employing the illegals that have made the situation what it is by buying off our government. Therein lies the majority of blame for the mess we have. Business and government.

[Pale Rider]

Very easily. he has more company than you do.

Once again, you talk out your ass. LN is a little girl, and no, the vast majority of Americans support DEPORTING the illegals.

Wise up man.

[Pale Rider]

Wow secessions. Hard to picture it since these illegals are already here.

I picture the secession being between sanctuary states, and those that are not.

[Pale Rider]

Do you honestly think that wall, (or our laws) would stop them????

There's no need to "think" about it. We already have proof via the SanDeago fence that it works, and works well. You've been told already. Why do you go back to this same old bull? Is your memory that bad, or do you just like making people repeat themselves?

Now you see why people here think you're either senile or drunk. Or both.

[Doniston]

You mean "do we have the ability to enforce it?" Hell ya we do.

if that is what I meant, that is what I would have said. ---I didn't. That is just your "Spin"

[Doniston]

Once again, you talk out your ass. LN is a little girl, and no, the vast majority of Americans support DEPORTING the illegals.

Wise up man. Is Ln a girl,? if so more power to her Then SHEhas more company than you. That vast majority is all in your mind, if that is what it is called.

[Doniston]

There's no need to "think" about it. We already have proof via the SanDeago fence that it works, and works well. You've been told already. Why do you go back to this same old bull? Is your memory that bad, or do you just like making people repeat themselves?

Now you see why people here think you're either senile or drunk. Or both. No, you have proof that it cuts down on the traffic where the fense is, but they just go arround, or under. And I don't see anyone but your core group of three Amigos who have any such Idea. and you three don't count.

No matter how many times you say something it doesn't change the fact that you are wrong. Instead of alway making personal remarks, why don't you try posting things relevant to the issue???

[nevadamedic]

There's no need to "think" about it. We already have proof via the SanDeago fence that it works, and works well. You've been told already. Why do you go back to this same old bull? Is your memory that bad, or do you just like making people repeat themselves?

Now you see why people here think you're either senile or drunk. Or both.

The wall does work, but its not that long. For it to work right we need it to go the complete length of the border. Also the fence doesn't stop people who are using the high tech tunnels that we keep finding, and they are really hard to find.

[LiberalNation]

The boarders to long for a fence to be practical. More boarder agents would be more of a help then that. You can climb under, go around, and go over walls. They aren't even close to full proof and are symbols as well. Do you want to live in a country behind a huge wall, razor wire, and all that. What keeps people out can also be turned around and used to keep people in.

[Dilloduck]

The boarders to long for a fence to be practical. More boarder agents would be more of a help then that. You can climb under, go around, and go over walls. They aren't even close to full proof and are symbols as well. Do you want to live in a country behind a huge wall, razor wire, and all that. What keeps people out can also be turned around and used to keep people in.

LMAO--oh damn-- they're not going to let me go to Mexico ?? :laugh2:

[Pale Rider]

No, you have proof that it cuts down on the traffic where the fense is, but they just go arround, or under. And I don't see anyone but your core group of three Amigos who have any such Idea. and you three don't count.

No matter how many times you say something it doesn't change the fact that you are wrong. Instead of alway making personal remarks, why don't you try posting things relevant to the issue???

You're out of your mind old man. The numbers that a wall works have already been posted, and you've read them. You spewing this bullshit above is old. You're one step away from me putting you ignore, because your comments are bullshit and tepid in content. Really a load of garbage.

[Pale Rider]

The boarders to long for a fence to be practical. More boarder agents would be more of a help then that. You can climb under, go around, and go over walls. They aren't even close to full proof and are symbols as well. Do you want to live in a country behind a huge wall, razor wire, and all that. What keeps people out can also be turned around and used to keep people in.

So the ancient chinese can build a fence out of rock, stone and brick 30 feet wide and 4,000 miles long, but modern day America can't build one? And if you're going to walk around it, you've got a long walk, right to an entry point, manned by guards. Dumb. Going over it will be utterly impossible, as will be going under it. And for the minute number of those who do, who cares? What's a couple illegals a month compared to a couple HUNDRED THOUSAND?

For the life of me, I can't understand why it is... well maybe I can understand why YOU do, you're young and ignorant and have very little insight, but the rest of the people that argue to KEEP the illegals, only to have it bring our country closer to ruin, I can NOT understand why you WANT that.

[Gunny]

The boarders to long for a fence to be practical. More boarder agents would be more of a help then that. You can climb under, go around, and go over walls. They aren't even close to full proof and are symbols as well. Do you want to live in a country behind a huge wall, razor wire, and all that. What keeps people out can also be turned around and used to keep people in.

Not if it's mined on both sides and monitored by video sureveillance and motion sensors. Then, having a fence and employing our technology takes the burden off the manpower.

[LiberalNation]

We could build one, didn't say that. I said it would be impractical to build one.

You can't put mines on it, for one, one side belongs to Mexico and for another when you start blowing up kids just wait and see what happens.

[LiberalNation]

LMAO--oh damn-- they're not going to let me go to Mexico ?? :laugh2:
Times change, in 40 years you may want to get into mexico.

[Pale Rider]

We could build one, didn't say that. I said it would be impractical to build one.

Why?

[LiberalNation]

It would cost a heck of a lot of money. People could still go under, around, and over it. It could be used to keep people in as well as out/symbolism.

Why go to all that when there are other ways of adressing the issue.

[Pale Rider]

It would cost a heck of a lot of money. People could still go under, around, and over it. It could be used to keep people in as well as out/symbolism.

Why go to all that when there are other ways of adressing the issue.

The "cost" of having hundreds of thousands more illegals just waltz into this country is FAR more expensive than to build a fence. We CAN'T afford NOT TO.

And you're arguement that illegals can go around, under, over, just doesn't hold water. No, they can't go under, over or around it if built right. I know. I used to work in a maximum security prison, and I'd dare any human to try and go around, under, or over that fence.

[nevadamedic]

You're out of your mind old man. The numbers that a wall works have already been posted, and you've read them. You spewing this bullshit above is old. You're one step away from me putting you ignore, because your comments are bullshit and tepid in content. Really a load of garbage.

:clap: I agree with that, but like ive stated before a lot of people and drugs come through in underground tunnels, how do we combat that problem? Granted putting a fence up would cut back the number of people sneaking into our country.

[loosecannon]

Times change, in 40 years you may want to get into mexico.

That was insightful.

But a wall doesn't seperate the continent. It just creates a barrier to unimpeded entrance.

[Pale Rider]

I agree with that, but like ive stated before a lot of people and drugs come through in underground tunnels, how do we combat that problem? Granted putting a fence up would cut back the number of people sneaking into our country.

I'd say that once a good fence is built, freeing up resources and manpower along with increased resources and manpower, locating tunnels and such would be childs play.

[gabosaurus]

I see a lot of putrid bullshit excuses and lame insults in this thread, but very few practical solutions. Perhaps throwing shit around produces bigger and more exciting woodies. Doesn't solve anything, though. If you think the problem of illegal immigration will be easy to solve, your head is thicker than any fence they want to build.
Perhaps you can just learn to live with the Mexicans that come into the country. Or move to Shitgrass, Montana and hide from them. My neighborhood is about 70 percent Mexican. My sister's neighborhood, where I was this weekend, is 100 percent Mexican. Most of them are wonderful, friendly, hard working people. They have families, just like many of you do.
Of course, I realize that it is much easier to blame the Mexicans for all your problems. Just like you blame the blacks and the Muslims. You can wind yourselves up into the huge balls of hate and teach your kids to hate everyone that doesn't look like them.
It's your choice. Live with your neighbor, or perpetuate your desire to hate and kill all of them. Prejudice is a pretty evil thing. Look what it did to Hitler. Look what it is doing to Bush, who started a war and has gotten thousands of Americans killed over it. The free world used to respect our leaders. Now they scorn us for supporting an international terrorist.
Go ahead with your spiels. The hate is as humorous as it is stupid. :cool:

[Pale Rider]

I see a lot of putrid bullshit excuses and lame insults in this thread, but very few practical solutions. Perhaps throwing shit around produces bigger and more exciting woodies. Doesn't solve anything, though. If you think the problem of illegal immigration will be easy to solve, your head is thicker than any fence they want to build.
Perhaps you can just learn to live with the Mexicans that come into the country. Or move to Shitgrass, Montana and hide from them. My neighborhood is about 70 percent Mexican. My sister's neighborhood, where I was this weekend, is 100 percent Mexican. Most of them are wonderful, friendly, hard working people. They have families, just like many of you do.
Of course, I realize that it is much easier to blame the Mexicans for all your problems. Just like you blame the blacks and the Muslims. You can wind yourselves up into the huge balls of hate and teach your kids to hate everyone that doesn't look like them.
It's your choice. Live with your neighbor, or perpetuate your desire to hate and kill all of them. Prejudice is a pretty evil thing. Look what it did to Hitler. Look what it is doing to Bush, who started a war and has gotten thousands of Americans killed over it. The free world used to respect our leaders. Now they scorn us for supporting an international terrorist.
Go ahead with your spiels. The hate is as humorous as it is stupid. :cool:


Or just make every excuse possible to sell out your country and subvert it's laws.

The best example of hatred in this thread is quoted above.

[nevadamedic]

I'd say that once a good fence is built, freeing up resources and manpower along with increased resources and manpower, locating tunnels and such would be childs play.

But how do you find tunnels?

[gabosaurus]

I can live with my neighbors. You can't live with yours. I believe in love and compassion. You believe in selfishness and hatred.
It's no wonder that no one can live with you. I would be ashamed of your presence. If your family is anything like you, then the whole lot of you need to recreate Ruby Ridge.

[Pale Rider]

But how do you find tunnels?

If not by eye, then by surveillance drone air craft, and/or sensors.

[Hobbit]

But how do you find tunnels?

There are many different ways. Hell, you could use siesmic equipment to find them if they're REALLY well hidden. Then, you drop a bunker-buster and collapse the thing. Problem solved. If any 'poor, impoverished' drug dealers get killed in the process, boo frickin' hoo. It's their own damn fault.

[Pale Rider]

I can live with my neighbors.
So you say. I have no proof of that. I think you're a liar.


You can't live with yours.
You're talking out your gash now. You have no idea other than your acidic, warped opinion.


I believe in love and compassion.
Sure you do, that's why we all see you displaying such compassion here on this board. Liar.


You believe in selfishness and hatred.
More of your compassion talking? You don't know me. You have no idea what you're talking about. You spew vommit just for sensationalism.


It's no wonder that no one can live with you. I would be ashamed of your presence. If your family is anything like you, then the whole lot of you need to recreate Ruby Ridge.
You leave my family out of this you goddamn, stinking WHORE! That's the SECOND TIME YOU'VE INSULTED MY FAMILY, AND I'M NOT HAVING IT.

[nevadamedic]

So you say. I have no proof of that. I think you're a liar.


You're talking out your gash now. You have no idea other than your acidic, warped opinion.


Sure you do, that's why we all see you displaying such compassion here on this board. Liar.


More of your compassion talking? You don't know me. You have no idea what you're talking about. You spew vommit just for sensationalism.


You leave my family out of this you goddamn, stinking WHORE! That's the SECOND TIME YOU'VE INSULTED MY FAMILY, AND I'M NOT HAVING IT.

:clap: I understand people fignting back and forth on here, but bringing someone's family into it is uncalled for. It is also a very immature thing to do.

[JLO]

This is always a big issue! It is something that is highly talked about, but what can really be done to completly stop it? I agree we are the ones paying for illegals to be here,but what are some of the ideas to stop it?

[SassyLady]

This is always a big issue! It is something that is highly talked about, but what can really be done to completly stop it? I agree we are the ones paying for illegals to be here,but what are some of the ideas to stop it?


The SSA tracks when SS#s don't match up. They need to create an entire division that does nothing but visit those businesses that have consistently been sent notices that their employee's SS#'s don't match up.

Problem is that when those companies get notification the illegal have, more often than not, moved on to another company so it's hard to track them down due to the fact that the SSA does their audits once a year - after
W-2s have been issued. However, I believe that they are now going to have access to the states reporting process and they should be able to see discrepancies within each quarter of the year and hopefully track these people down while they are still at their current employer.

Problem is that currently the SSA just sends out a notice to the employer telling them to let the employee know that there has been a mismatch. No follow up actions are taking place and to my knowledge, no active fines are being levied.

As I said.........create a division of the SSA that actually goes out and audits those companies who have a record of employees whose SS# don't match up.

What ideas do you have about a solution?

[stephanie]

I can live with my neighbors. You can't live with yours. I believe in love and compassion. You believe in selfishness and hatred.
It's no wonder that no one can live with you. I would be ashamed of your presence. If your family is anything like you, then the whole lot of you need to recreate Ruby Ridge.

And we are so proud of you being one of the most, enlightened, loving, giving, charitable people in the United States..

And it's nice of you, to think of the rest of us...who by the way...a majority have more yrs in life living here, have stood up for our Country, all our young, old, and dead soldiers who have given you the freedom to tell us we're all just a bunch of no good haters....That we don't have a fucking clue what we're talking about on this subject....

Some day....and more than likely soon....You're going to be shocked right out of your little bitty life of self righteousness, and GROW....

There's always hope in the United States of America...:salute:

[nevadamedic]

There are many different ways. Hell, you could use siesmic equipment to find them if they're REALLY well hidden. Then, you drop a bunker-buster and collapse the thing. Problem solved. If any 'poor, impoverished' drug dealers get killed in the process, boo frickin' hoo. It's their own damn fault.

Well I wonder why we dont use that then? All the tunnels so far we have found by accident, basically stumbling on them.

[Hobbit]

Well I wonder why we dont use that then? All the tunnels so far we have found by accident, basically stumbling on them.

Because the people in charge don't want to find them.

[nevadamedic]

There are many different ways. Hell, you could use siesmic equipment to find them if they're REALLY well hidden. Then, you drop a bunker-buster and collapse the thing. Problem solved. If any 'poor, impoverished' drug dealers get killed in the process, boo frickin' hoo. It's their own damn fault.

:clap: :laugh2: :clap:

[nevadamedic]

Because the people in charge don't want to find them.

I can somewhat see that being the case, but I dont know?

[JLO]

The SSA tracks when SS#s don't match up. They need to create an entire division that does nothing but visit those businesses that have consistently been sent notices that their employee's SS#'s don't match up.

Problem is that when those companies get notification the illegal have, more often than not, moved on to another company so it's hard to track them down due to the fact that the SSA does their audits once a year - after
W-2s have been issued. However, I believe that they are now going to have access to the states reporting process and they should be able to see discrepancies within each quarter of the year and hopefully track these people down while they are still at their current employer.

Problem is that currently the SSA just sends out a notice to the employer telling them to let the employee know that there has been a mismatch. No follow up actions are taking place and to my knowledge, no active fines are being levied.

As I said.........create a division of the SSA that actually goes out and audits those companies who have a record of employees whose SS# don't match up.

What ideas do you have about a solution?

Some solutions would be to hire more border patrol agents, get the national guard involved. Create tougher penalties to businesses who hire illegal immigrants. Create a law enforcement agancy that can visit the businesses on a regular basis to confirm that the employees are all legal. Also create harsher punishment for those who come over illegaly, instead of just taking them back so they can do it again.

[SassyLady]

Who is going to make them go home?

People who are willing to step up to the plate and do what it takes no matter how difficult the situation, instead of those who will just sit on their butts and say "who's gonna do the hard work"?

Are we talking about just the Mexicans, or anyone in the country illegally?

Anyone.

How are you going to find them? Are you going to go house to house, asking everyone for their proof of citizenship?

Random checks at places known to be frequented by illegals.

Can YOU prove that you are a citizen?
Yes I can.

Do you carry actual proof on your person?

Yes I do - military ID card.

Are you willing to pay MUCH higher taxes to fund this mammoth endeavor?

I'm willing to redirect current funds from programs that are set aside to pay for any benefits for illegals.

If you get rid of the illegals, you will be forcing companies to hire legal residents. Who will demand higher wages and better working conditions. This will be reflected in higher prices for goods and services. Are you willing to pay for this?

Yes. After we have the illegal alien problem under control, less monies will be used for those programs that are being provided to those who can't pay for what they are using.

No matter how you want to break it down, illegal aliens are costing us money. I think we just need to reassess how those monies are being spent. Let's be proactive and reduce the number of immigrants being allowed in instead of being reactive and always having to come up with more money to fund the infrastructure needed to keep up with the rising population.

[stephanie]

No matter how you want to break it down, illegal aliens are costing us money. I think we just need to reassess how those monies are being spent. Let's be proactive and reduce the number of immigrants being allowed in instead of being reactive and always having to come up with more money to fund the infrastructure needed to keep up with the rising population.


:clap:

[nevadamedic]

Some solutions would be to hire more border patrol agents, get the national guard involved. Create tougher penalties to businesses who hire illegal immigrants. Create a law enforcement agancy that can visit the businesses on a regular basis to confirm that the employees are all legal. Also create harsher punishment for those who come over illegaly, instead of just taking them back so they can do it again.

Good answer, especially for being one one of the new people on here. I hope everyone gives you rep points for it tonight being your new and that was a good post.

[stephanie]

Good answer, especially for being one one of the new people on here. I hope everyone gives you rep points for it tonight being your new and that was a good post.

:dunno:

Ok rep from me........

Like those haven't been the first and formost answers.......BEFORE..???

[nevadamedic]

:dunno:

Ok rep from me........

Like those haven't been the first and formost answers.......BEFORE..???

Im confused again :-(

[Pale Rider]

This is always a big issue! It is something that is highly talked about, but what can really be done to completly stop it? I agree we are the ones paying for illegals to be here,but what are some of the ideas to stop it?

The most important thing you can do right now is write your representatives, either by email or letter, and let them know how you feel.