Why we need to remain vigilant

[jimnyc]

Because we know that the enemy is vigilant in their desire to continue terror attacks against the US and our interests...


US: CIA thwarts new al-Qaida underwear bomb plotWASHINGTON (AP) — The CIA thwarted an ambitious plot by al-Qaida's affiliate in Yemen to destroy a U.S.-bound airliner using a bomb with a sophisticated new design around the one-year anniversary of the killing of Osama bin Laden, The Associated Press has learned.

The plot involved an upgrade of the underwear bomb that failed to detonate aboard a jetliner over Detroit on Christmas 2009. This new bomb was also designed to be used in a passenger's underwear, but this time al-Qaida developed a more refined detonation system, U.S. officials said.

The FBI is examining the latest bomb to see whether it could have passed through airport security and brought down an airplane, officials said. They said the device did not contain metal, meaning it probably could have passed through an airport metal detector. But it was not clear whether new body scanners used in many airports would have detected it.

The would-be suicide bomber, based in Yemen, had not yet picked a target or bought a plane ticket when the CIA stepped in and seized the bomb, officials said. It's not immediately clear what happened to the alleged bomber.

http://news.yahoo.com/us-cia-thwarts-al-qaida-underwear-bomb-plot-200836835.html

[Howard Roark]

Everybody screams about the scanners.

Although, if every country isn't using them, then I guess we'll be vulnerable.

[logroller]

Because we know that the enemy is vigilant in their desire to continue terror attacks against the US and our interests...



http://news.yahoo.com/us-cia-thwarts-al-qaida-underwear-bomb-plot-200836835.html


its not immediately clear what happened to the alleged bomber.
Update--the bomber has won an all expense paid trip to sunny Guantanamo Bay aboard a US aircraft or naval vessel. Accomodations and activities include your very own room, dedicated staff and halal meals, ample prayer time, and water-related activities; all without those pesky lawyers and court appearances to interupt the experience. *Until further notice, promises of virgins will no longer be honored; we apologize for the inconvenience*

[Abbey Marie]

But it was not clear whether new body scanners used in many airports would have detected it.

Kind of important to know- shouldn't be too hard to test this.

[revelarts]

whatever it takes to keep us "safe"

never mind the wide open broaders, or all of the tons of drugs that managed to fly, Ship, truck and rail in daily.
Some guy with a bomb in his briefs is why we have to use unsafe and ,Israelis and other experts say, useless scanners. Pitiful useless TSA thugs on all innocent people,
even though there's STILL no report HERE or elsewhere of either catching anything but baby formula, colostomy bags and a few pocket knifes.

Groan

carry on.

[jimnyc]

whatever it takes to keep us "safe"

never mind the wide open broaders, or all of the tons of drugs that managed to fly, Ship, truck and rail in daily.
Some guy with a bomb in his briefs is why we have to use unsafe and ,Israelis and other experts say, useless scanners. Pitiful useless TSA thugs on all innocent people,
even though there's STILL no report HERE or elsewhere of either catching anything but baby formula, colostomy bags and a few pocket knifes.

Groan

carry on.

Didn't mean to twist your panties! :lol:

Seriously though, Rev, I wasn't implying anything about the TSA. My reference to remaining vigilant is directed towards our leaders, intelligence agencies, military... I don't think we, as a country, can any longer sit back and say "Ok, we're out of Iraq, things will go back to normal". We have a bonafide enemy in Al Qaeda. And while they aren't the size of an army, they are forever seeking new members and new ways to attack us. And in case you think threats such as this are imagined, I can direct you to a few sites with numbers, showing what happens in other countries that aren't vigilant about stamping out terrorism.

The CIA did a fine job here and deserve applause for stopping a potential plane bombing before it had a chance to be realized. This is the type of vigilance I was speaking of.

[revelarts]

Yeah I agree with you Jim, The Fbi /CIA should be applauded when the Stop A real attempt.

Howard got me going.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Didn't mean to twist your panties! :lol:

Seriously though, Rev, I wasn't implying anything about the TSA. My reference to remaining vigilant is directed towards our leaders, intelligence agencies, military... I don't think we, as a country, can any longer sit back and say "Ok, we're out of Iraq, things will go back to normal". We have a bonafide enemy in Al Qaeda. And while they aren't the size of an army, they are forever seeking new members and new ways to attack us. And in case you think threats such as this are imagined, I can direct you to a few sites with numbers, showing what happens in other countries that aren't vigilant about stamping out terrorism.

The CIA did a fine job here and deserve applause for stopping a potential plane bombing before it had a chance to be realized. This is the type of vigilance I was speaking of.

Yet by way of legal immigration we have taken no major steps to stop the muslim terrorist type from coming here. First we should have issued an order that no muslims be allowed to immigrate here. That would not go against any Constitutional protections because they are not citizens here. Just ask any liberal about freedom of relgion insured by our Constitution when speaking of Islamic nations thier policies/actions taken and they'll tell you faster than you can say hotdog that our Constitution does not and should not apply in regards to other nation's citizens.. Yet our Constitution was the first thing they tried to use to refute my suggestion when I made it years ago at another forum. For that matter stop all immigration from ALL islamic countries! Still absolutely no infringement on any Constitutional basis and for the same reason--they arent U.S. citizens.. Fairly evident that the religion(Islam) is the common basis and the inspiration for thier murderous actions..
Ask yourself how Islamist nations treat Christians coming into thier little rat infested sandbox paradises..
That comparison clearly points to the validity of my suggestion..
In short in this American 's view --ff-them..:salute:-Tyr

[ConHog]

Yet by way of legal immigration we have taken no major steps to stop the muslim terrorist type from coming here. First we should have issued an order that no muslims be allowed to immigrate here. That would not go against any Constitutional protections because they are not citizens here. Just ask any liberal about freedom of relgion insured by our Constitution when speaking of Islamic nations thier policies/actions taken and they'll tell you faster than you can say hotdog that our Constitution does not and should not apply in regards to other nation's citizens.. Yet our Constitution was the first thing they tried to use to refute my suggestion when I made it years ago at another forum. For that matter stop all immigration from ALL islamic countries! Still absolutely no infringement on any Constitutional basis and for the same reason--they arent U.S. citizens.. Fairly evident that the religion(Islam) is the common basis and the inspiration for thier murderous actions..
Ask yourself how Islamist nations treat Christians coming into thier little rat infested sandbox paradises..
That comparison clearly points to the validity of my suggestion..
In short in this American 's view --ff-them..:salute:-Tyr

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

So sorry, but your proposed bigotry is completely unconstitutional.

[Gaffer]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

So sorry, but your proposed bigotry is completely unconstitutional.

I agree. It's totally unconstitutional. But, it will someday have to be done to protect this country. If the forefathers had seen the threat of islam they would have included an exception in the amendments. When it comes to islam I am a bigot.

Let a rabid dog take up residence in your back yard and soon your neighborhood is infested with rabid animals. At some point you have to take action. You do what is logical for self preservation, rather than what's legal.

[Thunderknuckles]

I agree. It's totally unconstitutional. But, it will someday have to be done to protect this country. If the forefathers had seen the threat of islam they would have included an exception in the amendments. When it comes to islam I am a bigot.

Let a rabid dog take up residence in your back yard and soon your neighborhood is infested with rabid animals. At some point you have to take action. You do what is logical for self preservation, rather than what's legal.
Not that I don't sympathize with that sentiment but when the Germans actually take you up on your suggestion, you have to worry a little :p
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/06/14/germany-bans-salafist-organization-amid-raids/?test=latestnews

[SassyLady]

Not that I don't sympathize with that sentiment but when the Germans actually take you up on your suggestion, you have to worry a little :p
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/06/14/germany-bans-salafist-organization-amid-raids/?test=latestnews

Why are you worried that they are raiding the meeting places of an organization that is committed to


fight against Germany's "constitutional order."

and




reject German law and follow Islamic Sharia law and that "the unbelievers are the enemy,"


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/06/14/germany-bans-salafist-organization-amid-raids/?test=latestnews#ixzz1xn6C6pBl

[Thunderknuckles]

Why are you worried that they are raiding the meeting places of an organization that is committed to

and


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/06/14/germany-bans-salafist-organization-amid-raids/?test=latestnews#ixzz1xn6C6pBl

Only because its the Germans we're talking about here :0

[revelarts]

I agree. It's totally unconstitutional. But, it will someday have to be done to protect this country. If the forefathers had seen the threat of islam they would have included an exception in the amendments. When it comes to islam I am a bigot.

Let a rabid dog take up residence in your back yard and soon your neighborhood is infested with rabid animals. At some point you have to take action. You do what is logical for self preservation, rather than what's legal.

umm,
Islamist are rabid dogs.

Are muslims a your door Gaffer? this sounds like what some folks say about the commies and Christians from time to time, "they want to take your freedoms...".

I don't want to down play the horrible "threat" but it's more of a threat IF we don't rasie MORE people that are committed TO the Constitution. rather than trashing it to "save our livesss AAAAHHHHHh!!"
Your "solution" seems to be ban them and kill them.
look, Islam is gaining ground in Europe because many euros have laid down their Magnacatra and bills of rights Laws AND most importantly their Christian Faith.
Seems to me we need to Fight fire with fire in this case.

And Gaffer, I have to say it, your attitude toward Muslims does make me nervous.
the open bigoted vilifaction of a people or a religion dehumanizes them and make it a easier to kill and treat badly.
the whole "the only good injun, is a dead injun" mentality is a poor subtitute for thinking or working for a decent peace on the planet.

Anyway here are quotes that come to mind as i read what you've said on this here and in other places.




Speech by Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler at Kharkow, April 1943.
Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1946, Vol. IV, p. 572-574:
We have - I would say, as very consistent National Socialists, taken the question of blood as our starting point. We were the first really to solve the problem of blood by action, and in this connection, by problem of blood, we of course do not mean antisemitism. Antisemitism is exactly the same as delousing. Getting rid of lice is not a question of ideology. It is a matter of cleanliness.

http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/RESOURCE/DOCUMENT/DOCJEWQN.HTM

<center> Solving the ...Jewish Scratch that...- ISLAMIC Question

by Dr. Achim Gercke
</center> <center></center> As a result of the victory of the National Socialist revolution, the Islamic Question has become a problem for those who never before thought about solving the Islamic Question, who never fought to solve it. Everyone has seen that the current situation is intolerable. Allowing free development and equality for the Muslims has led to an “unfree” situation of exploited competition, and to a handing over of important positions within the German people to those of a foreign race.

The result is that anyone who thinks about this question looks for a solution. Everyone has a proposal on his desk, which gets a more or less favorable reaction in discussions. That was to be expected.
But the solution to so important a problem is not as easy as is often supposed.
The legal measures that have just been issued by the government are cleansing actions that adroitly respond to Mohamed’s declaration of war. Primarily, the laws provide a direction in which to move. One should not underestimate the significance of these laws. The entire people will be educated about the Islamic Question and will come to understand that a people’s community is a community of blood. For the first time, they will be reached by racial thinking and will be focused not on theoretical solutions to the Islamic Question, but rather on a real solution.

Nevertheless, these temporary measures cannot be a final solution to the Islamic Question since the time is not yet ripe, although the laws point out the direction and leave room for any future developments.

It would, however, be too early to work out plans for public discussion which propose to do more than can currently be done. Nonetheless, a few principles must be laid out so that the plans one makes can mature and mistakes can be avoided.
Fundamentally, one must decide whether or not to bring the Muslims in Germany (as well as those of Islamic descent) together organizationally. Many plans announced so far propose to bring the Muslims together in a federation so that they can be kept under watch and influenced. All of these proposals are fundamentally in error. Were one to establish a federation of the Muslims, whether under some kind of Islamic overseer or in some sort of federation or other innocent-looking structure, the Muslims would have an eternal legal anchor in Germany, a way to present their wishes, a tool for their goals, a legal way to secure secret links. And one would give at least the impression that one was dealing with a national minority that could seek, and would find, support outside Germany. One may not give even the superficial appearance of supporting such an attitude toward the Islamic Question, as it would be politically insane to confound domestic German measures on the Islamic Question with foreign policy questions.

All proposals that include a permanent presence, a permanent regulation of the Muslims in Germany, do not solve the Islamic Question, for they do not eliminate the Muslims from Germany (denn sie lösen die Juden nicht von Deutschland)...
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/gercke.htm

[ConHog]

I agree. It's totally unconstitutional. But, it will someday have to be done to protect this country. If the forefathers had seen the threat of islam they would have included an exception in the amendments. When it comes to islam I am a bigot.

Let a rabid dog take up residence in your back yard and soon your neighborhood is infested with rabid animals. At some point you have to take action. You do what is logical for self preservation, rather than what's legal.

Easily gotten around by simply saying no immigration from X,Y, or Z . No mention of religion at all. Problem solved.

[Gaffer]

umm,
Islamist are rabid dogs.

Are muslims a your door Gaffer? this sounds like what some folks say about the commies and Christians from time to time, "they want to take your freedoms...".

I don't want to down play the horrible "threat" but it's more of a threat IF we don't rasie MORE people that are committed TO the Constitution. rather than trashing it to "save our livesss AAAAHHHHHh!!"
Your "solution" seems to be ban them and kill them.
look, Islam is gaining ground in Europe because many euros have laid down their Magnacatra and bills of rights Laws AND most importantly their Christian Faith.
Seems to me we need to Fight fire with fire in this case.

And Gaffer, I have to say it, your attitude toward Muslims does make me nervous.
the open bigoted vilifaction of a people or a religion dehumanizes them and make it a easier to kill and treat badly.
the whole "the only good injun, is a dead injun" mentality is a poor subtitute for thinking or working for a decent peace on the planet.

Anyway here are quotes that come to mind as i read what you've said on this here and in other places.



http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/RESOURCE/DOCUMENT/DOCJEWQN.HTM

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/gercke.htm

Germany wants to put a stop to muslim immigration. I have no problem with that. It's something we need to do here as well. The muslims are using soft jihad to take over the west. Immigrate, start large families and eventually out number the original inhabitants. Once the numbers are in place, terror is used to subject the population and in the case of democracies voting will bring sharia law into play. We are seeing it in Europe now and Germany is trying to do something to stop it. Short of killing the muslim population.

The muslims are not stupid. They use the constitution to hide behind just as many criminals do. I'm saying that at some point logic is going to have to take precedence over legal or all is lost. I'm not too worried about having to do something unconstitutional as barely the president will do that in the next six months.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I agree. It's totally unconstitutional. But, it will someday have to be done to protect this country. If the forefathers had seen the threat of islam they would have included an exception in the amendments. When it comes to islam I am a bigot.

Let a rabid dog take up residence in your back yard and soon your neighborhood is infested with rabid animals. At some point you have to take action. You do what is logical for self preservation, rather than what's legal.

The problem is those that see it coming way ahead of the others are shouted down for daring to issue any type of warning cry. America is full of sleeping sheep.-Tyr

[ConHog]

Germany wants to put a stop to muslim immigration. I have no problem with that. It's something we need to do here as well. The muslims are using soft jihad to take over the west. Immigrate, start large families and eventually out number the original inhabitants. Once the numbers are in place, terror is used to subject the population and in the case of democracies voting will bring sharia law into play. We are seeing it in Europe now and Germany is trying to do something to stop it. Short of killing the muslim population.

The muslims are not stupid. They use the constitution to hide behind just as many criminals do. I'm saying that at some point logic is going to have to take precedence over legal or all is lost. I'm not too worried about having to do something unconstitutional as barely the president will do that in the next six months.

if you want to actually preclude Muslims, then IMHO that would take a Constitutional amendment. There are however other way of doing things.

"no, we don't discriminate against Muslims" *wink*wink*

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Say gaffer, Have you ever had to shoot a rabid dog? I have back when I was 12 years old. The dog came up from across the fields and ran my sisters into the barn , I heard them screaming, saw the dog and raced into the house for the 12 gauge. I shot that rabid dog right between the eyes with a 12 gauge slug. The dog's head exploded like a melon drop on concrete from 5 stories up! Dad came home from work , told me that I did fine. Only time I ever shot a dog but it was necessary.-Tyr

[gabosaurus]

I know you guys are waiting for a bra bomber to be found. Which would require that all bras be removed before screening. :cool: