Campus-sponsored talk by "genderqueer" porn star

[SassyLady]

Well, we do go to college to broaden our horizons.




Campus-sponsored talk by 'genderqueer' porn star raises eyebrows at Williams CollegeBy Molly Line (http://www.foxnews.com/author/molly-line/index.html)
Published April 27, 2012
FoxNews.com



Colleges and universities have been known to push the envelope when it comes to inviting controversial figures to campuses, and Williams College, a prestigious private institution in western Massachusetts, is the latest -- by inviting a porn star.

The speaker, Jiz Lee, is described in the college calendar advertising the event as "an award-winning genderqueer performer, author, artist and pleasure activist." Friday night, a sample of the performer's work is scheduled to be shown on campus followed by a discussion with students.

Some have been shocked by the graphic description of the porn stars talents.

"For me I think the biggest question right now is a matter of whether the event has academic merit or whether it has social merit," said Marina Bousa, a junior studying anthropology at the college in Williamstown, Mass.

"What I really love about Williams is it's really kind of an exciting place to be. Even though we're in the middle of nowhere, we have these really passionate students who care about what they think and are willing and eager to create events where they can express their views and learn about things that Williamstown doesn't necessarily always have to offer," Bousa said. "I can see why the event would be an exciting opportunity for that, but, on the other hand, I question its academic value."
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[Peach]

Well, we do go to college to broaden our horizons.








I've read of a few "porn stars" invited to colleges before. A one time off type of thing, students are free to skip it of course.

[jimnyc]

Gender queer? And they had Snooki at Rutgers for a HUGE fee. I'm just curious who pays when they have garbage show up for speaking engagements. So long as NONE of the money comes from students or the government, and it's not mandatory, or at a graduation where you have little choice...

[Peach]

Gender queer? And they had Snooki at Rutgers for a HUGE fee. I'm just curious who pays when they have garbage show up for speaking engagements. So long as NONE of the money comes from students or the government, and it's not mandatory, or at a graduation where you have little choice...

I have also read of soap opera "stars" at colleges also, who cares?

[Noir]

Gender queer?

Genderqueer means basically something other than the standard binary gender

For example cases where someone would identify themselves as without gender (agender) or as both a male and female gender (pangender/bigender) or as a fluxing state between two genders (fluid gender) or they may identify with having a gender, but not one defined as either male or female, i.e. a third gender type.

...idk what goes on in these peoples heads, but thats what it means.

[Thunderknuckles]

I'm sure some of you remember "Career Day" at school where local professionals would come into class and talk to you about their fields and about life in general.
You'd get Policeman, Fireman, Engineers of all sorts, scientists, etc and that was just in K-12.
Now, at our highest levels of education, we get a "Snookie" and a Gender Queer "Pleasure Activist" named Jiz!?
Just another of many reasons why when I look into the eyes of my little kids I say a little prayer for them and silently apologize for world I will leave to them.

[jimnyc]

I have also read of soap opera "stars" at colleges also, who cares?

I don't care if the students and taxpayers aren't paying the fees, but would still be at a loss as how it would be in anyway beneficial to the students to hear from a gender confused person, Snooki or even Susan Lucci. The standards are changing over the years and the examples we put forth and tell our kids "be like this person" are sad.

It used to be someone like John Glenn, a former president, a famous writer... Now we have them look up to gender confused drunken girls from the Jersey Shore. :lol:

[jimnyc]

Genderqueer means basically something other than the standard binary gender

For example cases where someone would identify themselves as without gender (agender) or as both a male and female gender (pangender/bigender) or as a fluxing state between two genders (fluid gender) or they may identify with having a gender, but not one defined as either male or female, i.e. a third gender type.

...idk what goes on in these peoples heads, but thats what it means.

While I do appreciate your time in explaining, I'm still sorry I asked. I just shake my head sometimes. In disbelief. WTF?

[Peach]

I don't care if the students and taxpayers aren't paying the fees, but would still be at a loss as how it would be in anyway beneficial to the students to hear from a gender confused person, Snooki or even Susan Lucci. The standards are changing over the years and the examples we put forth and tell our kids "be like this person" are sad.

It used to be someone like John Glenn, a former president, a famous writer... Now we have them look up to gender confused drunken girls from the Jersey Shore. :lol:

The former Presidents, corporate leaders, and well known authors are still there, the occasional non traditional speaker gets more attention from some.

[Wind Song]

Not another minority bash to wake up to.

[jimnyc]

Not another minority bash to wake up to.

More like bashing shitheads that shouldn't be propped up to students as something to aspire to. Are you going to turn ANOTHER thread into someone, or yourself, being a victim again?

[Wind Song]

More like bashing shitheads that shouldn't be propped up to students as something to aspire to. Are you going to turn ANOTHER thread into someone, or yourself, being a victim again?


Open your mind. I don't know about you, but we studied human sexuality academically in college.

[jimnyc]

Open your mind.

No matter how open my mind is, it won't make me suddenly think Snooki is a good role model towards our children - and at a fee of $30,000, we have to wonder who pays for this crap.

[jimnyc]

I don't know about you, but we studied human sexuality academically in college.

Was it forced on you or elective? And what the fuck does that have to do with speaking engagements?

[Wind Song]

The only time in my life I ever saw any porn films was when I took a class in human sexuality and it was a requirement. I was glad I had the experience, even though I never felt drawn to porn again.

[Dilloduck]

The only time in my life I ever saw any porn films was when I took a class in human sexuality and it was a requirement. I was glad I had the experience, even though I never felt drawn to porn again.

Thank you for sharing. I feel much closer to you now.

[Wind Song]

Was it forced on you or elective? And what the fuck does that have to do with speaking engagements?


I don't remember if it was forced, I only know that I went because of the human sexuality class. It was real strange having these discussions about sexuality in mixed groups.

I remember that I was shocked by how much men talked about masturbation and "circle jerks" and at the time, women NEVER discussed masturbation. In those days, feminists actually had parties to help women find their clitorises.

Yup, a circle of women holding up mirrors.

[Shadow]

No matter how open my mind is, it won't make me suddenly think Snooki is a good role model towards our children - and at a fee of $30,000, we have to wonder who pays for this crap.

Welcome to the age where we pay people like Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan to just "show up" somewhere. Sad part is...people will flock to be there when they do. Why? Because they are "popular". Our society has become so very shallow.

[Dilloduck]

I don't remember if it was forced, I only know that I went because of the human sexuality class. It was real strange having these discussions about sexuality in mixed groups.

I remember that I was shocked by how much men talked about masturbation and "circle jerks" and at the time, women NEVER discussed masturbation. In those days, feminists actually had parties to help women find their clitorises.

Yup, a circle of women holding up mirrors.

All the while bitching publicly that men didn't know how to stimulate them properly.

[Wind Song]

All the while bitching publicly that men didn't know how to stimulate them properly.

No, I don't recall that complaint. I wouldn't. I could care less.

[Thunderknuckles]

Not another minority bash to wake up to.
WS, you and other bleeding hearts just refuse to accept that some folks have a few screws loose. Anyone walking around who has named themselves after semen and describes themselves as a gender queer please activist is one of them.

[Wind Song]

WS, you and other bleeding hearts just refuse to accept that some folks have a few screws loose. Anyone walking around who has named themselves after semen and describes themselves as a gender queer please activist is one of them.


No, many universities have human sexuality courses. I took one myself.

[logroller]

No, many universities have human sexuality courses. I took one myself.
Perversion 101...did you receive high marks?

[Peach]

Perversion 101...did you receive high marks?

Wind Song mentioned no "perversion".

[logroller]

Wind Song mentioned no "perversion".
No just porn in a human sexuality course. Porn has as much to do with human sexuality as reality shows have to do with reality. (hint: it's a perversion)It's called inference, look it up in a dictionary after you master 'connect the dots' puzzles.

[Thunderknuckles]

No, many universities have human sexuality courses. I took one myself.

What does curriculum have to do with my post?
You labeled this thread as minority bashing.
If the minority you are referring to is people that Are loons then guilty as charged.

[Peach]

No just porn in a human sexuality course. Porn has as much to do with human sexuality as reality shows have to do with reality. (hint: it's a perversion)It's called inference, look it up in a dictionary after you master 'connect the dots' puzzles.

Wind Song wrote that she considered part of the human sexuality course "porn'. Wake up, "Peyton Place" was banned in some areas of the US decades ago. One person's "porn" is another person's "art".

[logroller]

Wind Song wrote that she considered part of the human sexuality course "porn'. Wake up, "Peyton Place" was banned in some areas of the US decades ago. One person's "porn" is another person's "art".
here's what she wrote; you'll notice no internal quotes

The only time in my life I ever saw any porn films was when I took a class in human sexuality and it was a requirement. I was glad I had the experience, even though I never felt drawn to porn again.
now maybe that was her interpretation, but I doubt it. Certainly there's an art to a good blowjob; I just don't think that's academic in nature-- extracurricular perhaps, educational even, but not academic. Your effort is evident, but connect the dots :FAIL
The only thing artful about a porno is the musical score-- bow chicka wow wow

[ConHog]

I'm not sure which is more annoying at this point WindSong's continued explosions or the continued baiting of her.

[DragonStryk72]

Open your mind. I don't know about you, but we studied human sexuality academically in college.

Yes, Jim, open your mind to people all being victims of one form or another.

Note that Jim is essentially okay with the speaker as long as it was voluntary to attend, and wasn't being shoved off on tuition.

For your Information, Jim, it usually isn't included in the tuition. They usually pull money for speakers like this by ticket sales, as well as by concessions, and other such stuff. Even if the speaker is getting paid, it isn't much more than expenses for the appearance, and a hotel stay. They don't really make bank on these things unless it's some like Spielburg, and they usually forgo the money anyways.

[SassyLady]

Funding:



Critics of the porn star's visit have questioned the administration's judgment and funding of the event, but Williams College officials say the money is coming from a specific endowment received 20 years ago that focuses on education regarding human sexuality and orientation issues.

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[gabosaurus]

If a speaker interests you and has something to say, why would anyone care what they do? I would rather listen to a gender queer porn star than some lying politician or ego-laden celebrity.
When my sister was at USC Film School, she had to do a lot of projects and papers. Rather than redo the same famous cinematic warhorse, my sister went in the opposite direction. She interviewed porn stars and directors and producers of bad movies. My sister had one of the last interviews granted by Russ Meyer (who, at 80 years old, told her she would be really cute if she had tits). .

Some of you badly need to pull your puritan heads out of your butts.

[SassyLady]

Some of you badly need to pull your puritan heads out of your butts.

Why?

[Wind Song]

What does curriculum have to do with my post?
You labeled this thread as minority bashing.
If the minority you are referring to is people that Are loons then guilty as charged.

Are you not queer bashing?

[ConHog]

Are you not queer bashing?

Not all gays are loons and noone has suggested they are. And also some of the people being called loons are straifht. Stop trying to make evet comment personal when thats not th case

[Wind Song]

Not all gays are loons and noone has suggested they are. And also some of the people being called loons are straifht. Stop trying to make evet comment personal when thats not th case


The whole point of this thread is to make it seem ridiculous that the University had a gay porn star speak to the school. I'm saying the college attended was not reknown for it's liberalism, yet we had gay speakers in our classroom and were encouraged to watch a couple of porn movies as a class assignment.

Please stop misinterpreting my posts to be personal.

They aren't. My point is that it is not unreasonable for a gay porn star to address the academic community.

[Thunderknuckles]

Are you not queer bashing?
No. I'm bashing a moron.

[Wind Song]

No. I'm bashing a moron.

Hmm, I'm sorry you think that way. It's disrespectful to gays and to people with learning disabilities. The OP article is another Fox News culture war "gotcha" story.

[Wind Song]

From the OP article:


I think that pornography is an issue, is a medium that deserves critical analysis, just like many other topics at Williams College, and I think this is a really good opportunity to engage in critical analysis," said Haley Eagon, a junior pursuing a double major in political science and women's, gender and sexuality studies.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/27/campus-sponsored-talk-by-porn-star-raises-eyebrows-at-williams-college/?intcmp=trending#ixzz1tS0LTPv7

[fj1200]

Funding:

Probably had zero effect on tuition then.


From the OP article:


I think that pornography is an issue, is a medium that deserves critical analysis, just like many other topics at Williams College, and I think this is a really good opportunity to engage in critical analysis," said Haley Eagon, a junior pursuing a double major in political science and women's, gender and sexuality studies.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/27/campus-sponsored-talk-by-porn-star-raises-eyebrows-at-williams-college/?intcmp=trending#ixzz1tS0LTPv7


We should care what a junior in college says? How about a follow up question on how pornography is demeaning to women?

[Wind Song]

Probably had zero effect on tuition then.



We should care what a junior in college says? How about a follow up question on how pornography is demeaning to women?


How about one? I have no objection to discussing how pornography degrades women and men.


The only porno I've ever see in my life was that classes requirement. Can you say the same?

[logroller]

Some of you badly need to pull your puritan heads out of your butts.
I second sassy's 'why'. I'm an avid proponent of birth control, even coitus interruptus, but I'm not sure why it would matter if one pulled their head out of the butt. Just your personal preference I guess, but questionably relevant.

[Wind Song]

Puritan indeed. Always in somebody else's bedroom.

I remember three different porn movies that were shown. Deep Throat, one with gay men, and one with lesbians.

[fj1200]

How about one? I have no objection to discussing how pornography degrades women and men.


The only porno I've ever see in my life was that classes requirement. Can you say the same?

Watch some more then you might see how stupid her statement was.

[logroller]

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The only porno I've ever see in my life was that classes requirement. Can you say the same?
I'm an autodidact, so yes.

[Wind Song]

Watch some more then you might see how stupid her statement was.

Whose statement?

[fj1200]

:facepalm99:

I actually did it IRL too.

[Wind Song]

:facepalm99:

I actually did it IRL too.

Did what? Go to a porn movie?

[jimnyc]

Did what? Go to a porn movie?

I never need porn again. I think I've downloaded about 35,678,354 gigamillaterabytes. Hard finding something a like with such a selection though.

[Wind Song]

I see. Big fan of porn?

[jimnyc]

I see. Big fan of porn?

No. I'm a big fan of naked women, or watching/participating in sexual activities with them. :)

[logroller]

I see. Big fan of porn?
That would depend on whether the applause you hear is accomplished with one hand.

[Wind Song]

That would depend on whether the applause you hear is accomplished with one hand.

That does appear to be the appeal of porn--masturbation. Must be why Jim is such a big fan!

[fj1200]

Did what? Go to a porn movie?

No, had an original thought. Try it sometime.

[Wind Song]

No, had an original thought. Try it sometime.


I have them all the time.

[logroller]

That does appear to be the appeal of porn--masturbation. Must be why Jim is such a big fan!

--or--
he can't afford to go to college and still yearns for the sociological perspective on gender roles and sexual expression that porn provided you in your college class.

[Wind Song]

--or--
he can't afford to go to college and still yearns for the sociological perspective on gender roles and sexual expression that porn provided you in your college class.


Jim can't afford college? He's not the only one. I can't believe how expensive it is now.

[logroller]

Jim can't afford college? He's not the only one. I can't believe how expensive it is now.
hell, I don't know if he can or not; but why buy the cow when you can get the porn for free?.

[Wind Song]

hell, I don't know if he can or not; but why buy the cow when you can get the porn for free?.

?

[SassyLady]

?

Instead of Jim paying to go to college to watch porn, he can watch porn at home and learn the same things you did.

[fj1200]

I have them all the time.

Please share.