String Theory Calcs show information like Computer code at it's core

[revelarts]

String Theory Physicists have found that at the Calculations that make up the theory contain code that is nearly exactly like computer internet codes.
That is the mathematical formula that MAY explain how the universe works at a base level is made up of complex, self correcting information.

This begs the question, where did the information Come from.
the simple answer is GOD.

no other answer makes as much sense logically.

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This, if string theory turns out to be correct, is another bit of proof, for the existent of A god. it is an old argument that been used for centuries but went out of fashion in scientific circles when many scientist began to embrace the idea that the universe was infinite and self existent. the theory of the Big Bang which is the most popular now and is based on facts derived so far, by observation of an expanding universe and mathematical calculation that seem to match. Forced the idea of the infinite ever existing universe Idea out of the spotlight. And the Big Bang also implies a Beginning. which necessitates a reason for the beginning. Theologians point out here that Well the Bible says "IN the Beginning GOD created" this pissed of many of course, but some agreed yes it does. other decided to say well no It might not be God but we can't explain it it so we will call it a "singularity" something that does not and cannot fall into any type of science we can know ...ever... because the rules were different than now. soo OK. So Those who believe that God Created it all can't say with absolute scientific certainty that God is proven here. but surprise surprise, It does seem that the science does AGREE with the Idea that the universe was created. So that's a plus right? Seems if the science is against the Bible it's "PROOF" that it's wrong. If the science agrees is it PROOF that the Bible is Right?

The string theory thing here Is proof of a different sort. It's evidence of a MIND. In science there is NO example or theory of how any complex information can come out of less complex or from random processes, or an Explosion. there is NO way for this to happen. period paragraph end of story. Here we have Physicist who seem to see extremely complex INFORMATIONAL patterns at what we know so far as the base or foundation of the structure of the universe.

How did it get there?
The real question is WHO put it there.
If you find a book on the middle of the desert you don't say hey this book sprang out the sands by a singularity. you say a PERSON, a MIND Wrote this and put this book together. there's no way this was put here by accident.

String Theory is just the latest place where Information Science is proving that there must be a MIND behind the universe. Intelligent Design science is looking at the same at a biological level. the high level of Information in living creatures cannot be explained by any known random processes.



Interesting stuff huh?

[Noir]

If the simple answer requires the most complex being(s) imaginable, what on earth does the complex answer involve!

[PostmodernProphet]

If the simple answer requires the most complex being(s) imaginable, what on earth does the complex answer involve!

six billion simple minded individuals?.....

[Noir]

six billion simple minded individuals?.....

You're saying 6 billion individuals are more complex than all-powerful, all-knowing, deity(s) that exist(s) outside of time?

[revelarts]

at the end of the video they tag on a "matrix" option, as the basis for our universe. one the problems with that is the matter of infinite regression. if men/machines made our universe who made that "man/machine" . Or is that man self existent? which would make him/her a god. another problem is if what we are living in is a matrix there no way we could ever know the the composition of the "real" world because we are just fictitious numbers in a larger machine whose boundary or origin we could probably never get to or go beyond. Like the characters in a video game.

[revelarts]

If the simple answer requires the most complex being(s) imaginable, what on earth does the complex answer involve!

Good Question. it just becomes a deep unfathomable mystery, where one is forced to walk around the elephant in the room, a Mind is out there somewhere.

[PostmodernProphet]

You're saying 6 billion individuals are more complex than all-powerful, all-knowing, deity(s) that exist(s) outside of time?
I would think it obvious that the answer provided by 6 billion individuals would be so complex as to be meaningless regardless of how "simple" the question was.....

[Noir]

Good Question. it just becomes a deep unfathomable mystery, where one is forced to walk around the elephant in the room, a Mind is out there somewhere.

*is* is a very strong term, a term of certainty in something that *everyone must* be uncertain about. All we can truly say is that 'a mind may be out there, somewhere' in any case a 'god' does not answer the question, because, as I said, it would have to be more complex than the universe itself, you can no solve a problem of complexity, by assuming an even more complex creator (or at the very least, you should consider than an unlikey possibility)

[Noir]

I would think it obvious that the answer provided by 6 billion individuals would be so complex as to be meaningless regardless of how "simple" the question was.....

I would think it even more obvious that you are dancing rather than debating. Anyways, if you would like to give your feet a rest - what could be more complex than an all powerful, allknowing, pan-dimensional being(s)?

[revelarts]

*is* is a very strong term, a term of certainty in something that *everyone must* be uncertain about. All we can truly say is that 'a mind may be out there, somewhere' in any case a 'god' does not answer the question, because, as I said, it would have to be more complex than the universe itself, you can no solve a problem of complexity, by assuming an even more complex creator (or at the very least, you should consider than an unlikey possibility)

A self existent, ever present super mind above time and space is the only thing that makes more sense than coming from nothing.

it's a better more logical paradox. If we are forced to choose one.
Based on our reason, we know that nothing cannot make information or matter. only a mind makes information and something has to create something.

when you travel backwards to a beginning you have to stop somewhere HIGHER than the complexity we have now. God is the best answer than anything else.

[Anton Chigurh]

Space Ale Yuns.

[darin]

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[PostmodernProphet]

I would think it even more obvious that you are dancing rather than debating. Anyways, if you would like to give your feet a rest - what could be more complex than an all powerful, allknowing, pan-dimensional being(s)?

an explanation that requires eight one in a million chance events to occur simultaneously without an evident stimulus......

[Thunderknuckles]

This whole universe is nothing more than a Chia pet sitting on baby Jesus' sock drawer

[Noir]

A self existent, ever present super mind above time and space is the only thing that makes more sense than coming from nothing.

it's a better more logical paradox. If we are forced to choose one.
Based on our reason, we know that nothing cannot make information or matter. only a mind makes information and something has to create something.

when you travel backwards to a beginning you have to stop somewhere HIGHER than the complexity we have now. God is the best answer than anything else.

But why stop there? If you assume the information in the universe had to have a maker, then that maker must exist in some sense, and be made of something (maybe nothing like we could even conceive, but something none the less) and whereof the stuff hat came to be the deity? Why would you assume it too is eternal, where did it come from?

Obviously these kind of arguments have been done to desth, but that's because there is no known answer, but to assume that the stuff of the universe needed a creator, but the stuff of the creator is eternal, is a little odd IMO

[Noir]

an explanation that requires eight one in a million chance events to occur simultaneously without an evident stimulus......

And on a time scale of infinity, what would you say the chances of that happening are?

[revelarts]

And on a time scale of infinity, what would you say the chances of that happening are?


But you can't assume infinity if/since the universe had a beginning.

[revelarts]

But why stop there? If you assume the information in the universe had to have a maker, then that maker must exist in some sense, and be made of something (maybe nothing like we could even conceive, but something none the less) and whereof the stuff hat came to be the deity? Why would you assume it too is eternal, where did it come from?


Infinite regression doesn't work, human Reason says that we have to hit a wall at some point. And Scientifically we hit that wall at the big bang.
Infinite regression is not reasonable in a worse way than stopping at an uncaused cause that is an ever present creative omnipowerful creator.
as i said before it's a better paradox when we use our reason. it's the lest unreasonable. but ..uh... its emotionally the most uncomfortable for many.

[Noir]

But you can't assume infinity if/since the universe had a beginning.

As far as we know, yes, our universe had a beginning, which means there must of been a something (even if that something is nothing) before there was a universe. We just don't know.

However, the single most complex possible thing that there could ever be is an omnipotent god, because (refering to PMPs post) that god could, if it wished, *force* 8 million individual things to happen at once. Something that can force such an incredibly amazingly unlikely event to happen, is more complex than 8 million events happening at once.

[Noir]

Infinite regression doesn't work, human Reason says that we have to hit a wall at some point. And Scientifically we hit that wall at the big bang.
Infinite regression is not reasonable in a worse way than stopping at an uncaused cause that is an ever present creative omnipowerful creator.
as i said before it's a better paradox when we use our reason. it's the lest unreasonable. but ..uh... its emotionally the most uncomfortable for many.

Yeah but human reason says a lot of things, like, if you fire a single electron at two slits in a wall, it will either go through one slit, the other slit, or just hit the wall...what it actually does is go through just one slit, and just the other, and both, and neither at the same time, it then produces a probability wave on how likey it would be to interfere with itself on the other side of the wall...and of course that only happens if you're not looking at it, if you are looking at it then it does exactly how human reason would expect it to.

...and you're trying to apply human reason to physics that may of occurred before the big bang?

[revelarts]

Yeah but human reason says a lot of things, like, if you fire a single electron at two slits in a wall, it will either go through one slit, the other slit, or just hit the wall...what it actually does is go through just one slit, and just the other, and both, and neither at the same time, it then produces a probability wave on how likey it would be to interfere with itself on the other side of the wall...and of course that only happens if you're not looking at it, if you are looking at it then it does exactly how human reason would expect it to.

...and you're trying to apply human reason to physics that may of occurred before the big bang?

Human Reason using the basic physics and common sense thinking tool of Cause and Effect.
Unless your want to dismiss general cause and effect principals beyond the big bang for some reason, we are still stuck with choosing a conclusion that best fits the facts we are aware of.

And as the Unlikey effect you described does not fit with what we might expect. Similarly God is not what some expect but the facts seem to point to that unlikely... for some... conclusion.

[PostmodernProphet]

As far as we know, yes, our universe had a beginning, which means there must of been a something (even if that something is nothing) before there was a universe. We just don't know.

However, the single most complex possible thing that there could ever be is an omnipotent god, because (refering to PMPs post) that god could, if it wished, *force* 8 million individual things to happen at once. Something that can force such an incredibly amazingly unlikely event to happen, is more complex than 8 million events happening at once.

really?....what is more complex, a man making a watch or slags of molten metal shaping themselves into intricate parts that fall together in the form of a working Swiss chronograph........I'm sure the latter happens at least once in every eight million instances of molten lava but we just don't notice it because the watch immediately remelts.....

[Noir]

really?....what is more complex, a man making a watch or slags of molten metal shaping themselves into intricate parts that fall together in the form of a working Swiss chronograph........I'm sure the latter happens at least once in every eight million instances of molten lava but we just don't notice it because the watch immediately remelts.....

idiotic analogy is idiotic, and it completely disregards how the man came into being in the first instance to make the watch, which is ironic given the question posed is one of probability.

[Noir]

Human Reason using the basic physics and common sense thinking tool of Cause and Effect.
Unless your want to dismiss general cause and effect principals beyond the big bang for some reason, we are still stuck with choosing a conclusion that best fits the facts we are aware of.

And as the Unlikey effect you described does not fit with what we might expect. Similarly God is not what some expect but the facts seem to point to that unlikely... for some... conclusion.

Its not an unlikely effect, its an impossible one, but its one that happens.

a) A single electron does not do what it should, but rather creates a probably wave of what it could do and then does all the options.
b) If we observe the electron during this time it 'knows' and does not create the probability wave at all.

...and i'm guessing there was no one there to watch the big bang, or what happened before...

[PostmodernProphet]

idiotic analogy is idiotic, and it completely disregards how the man came into being in the first instance to make the watch, which is ironic given the question posed is one of probability.

as with creation, it is irrelevant to the watch if or how the man came to be.....it still breathes a sigh of relief that nobody expects it to pull itself together out of molten metal......because that's "probably" not going to happen.....

[kowalskil]

You're saying 6 billion individuals are more complex than all-powerful, all-knowing, deity(s) that exist(s) outside of time?

Time is the attribute of our material world. How does it relate to our spiritual world? I do not know.

Ludwik Kowalski (see Wikipedia)
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