Florida prosecutors will charge Zimmerman, hold trial

[Little-Acorn]

With the evidence they found at the scene, and witnesses that came forward as soon as the cops showed up, the cops decided there wasn't enough evidence of Zimmerman committing a crime, to even arrest the man, much less charge him with anything.

Nonetheless, the case has been so amazingly politicized , distorted, and lied about, by people up to and including the President of the United States, that I would now like to see Zimmerman brought to trial and ALL the evidence, including all the witnesses, the cops' testimony, and everything else, brought out and made public under oath.

Did Zimmerman "stalk" Trayvon? Did Z attack him? Let's see what's brought out in court.

Did Trayvon attack Zimmerman, knock him down, and beat him? Let's see what's brought out in court.

The country has been so (carefully and deliberately) riled and inflamed, that full public hearings are the only way I can see, to clear the air.

Not sure what Zimmerman can be charged with. Murder? Manslaughter? Discharging a firearm in city limits? Messing up the grass near a public sidewalk with the back of his head?

But full PUBLIC hearings, televised, should be held; all evidence and testimony made public; and a verdict rendered by a jury of his peers.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_print.html

George Zimmerman to be charged in Trayvon Martin shooting, official says

By Sari Horwitz
April 11, 2012

Florida special prosecutor Angela Corey plans to announce as early as Wednesday afternoon that she is charging neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, according to a law enforcement official close to the investigation.

It was not immediately clear what charge Zimmerman will face.

Martin, 17 and unarmed, was shot and killed Feb. 26 by Zimmerman, who said he was acting in self-defense. Police in Sanford, Fla., where the shooting took place, did not charge Zimmerman, citing the state’s “stand your ground” law.

Corey told reporters Tuesday night that she would hold a news conference about the case within 72 hours. A news release from her office said the event will be held in Sanford or Jacksonville, Fla.

[jimnyc]

Apparently there will be a news conference this evening where they will announce what charges they will be bringing against George Zimmerman, and obviously they plan on arresting him as well. They said they know his location. Will be interesting to see what charges they go forward with, and just what type of chaos is going to ensue when this trial takes off. Maybe they'll release more information that might not be currently available to the public? I still don't see a conviction based on the facts, but the outrage in the media ensured this was going to court one way or another.


SANFORD, Fla. (AP) — A law enforcement official says that charges are being filed in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.

The official with knowledge of the investigation says a prosecutor will announce charges against George Zimmerman on Wednesday at 6 p.m. Zimmerman's arrest is also expected soon.

The official didn't know the charge and spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to release the information. The official said that authorities know where Zimmerman is.

http://news.yahoo.com/official-charges-coming-trayvon-martin-death-184138994.html

[jimnyc]

Merged my thread over, LA beat me to the punch. :)

[Gator Monroe]

His(Zimmermans)Lawyers are PUNKS & they broke Client /Atty priviledge ( They should be disbar-ed)

[jimnyc]

But full PUBLIC hearings, televised, should be held; all evidence and testimony made public; and a verdict rendered by a jury of his peers.

Couldn't agree more. If evidence comes out that proves Zimm's guilt, then I hope they convict him. If the evidence given supports his self defense claim, then I hope they do the right thing. This should be tried based on the law, the facts of the case and the evidence. Will be an interesting case to watch. And now that Zimmerman's attorneys have dropped off the case yesterday, he better retain a damn good one, and quickly!

[Dilloduck]

Keep your eyes peeled for a white Bronco driving erratically on the freeway.

[Gaffer]

And after he's exonerated he should sue the shit out of the NBC, the panthers, the city, the state and the white house.

[fj1200]

Curiouser and curiouser...

Why Nothing Sticks to George Zimmerman (http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/why-nothing-sticks-to-george-zimmerman)


Had Zimmerman’s narrative and recounting of the details of that evening been any less than 100% consistent, that’s the moment when everything would have fallen apart for him — sometime right around February 27th. The police had every reason and opportunity to document and doggedly pursue any differences they saw between Zimmerman’s initial interview and his video re-enactment the following day.

Evidence that Trayvon Martin Doubled Back (http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/evidence-that-trayvon-martin-doubled-back)

As we can see, it appears unlikely that Zimmerman ever “chased down” Martin. Zimmerman only pursued long enough to maintain visual contact to see what direction Trayvon was going.Zimmerman traveled his entire route in around 30 seconds, he only went a very short distance and did so specifically to tell the 911 dispatcher where Trayvon had gone.
It wasn’t until a minute later that their altercation took place, when Martin apparently doubled back to confront Zimmerman.

[jimnyc]

Zimmerman has been charged with 2nd degree murder. I think they had a better chance of proving involuntary manslaughter, but this will be interesting.

http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-murder-charge-trayvon-martin-case-214123361.html

[tailfins]

Zimmerman has been charged with 2nd degree murder. I think they had a better chance of proving involuntary manslaughter, but this will be interesting.

http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-murder-charge-trayvon-martin-case-214123361.html


People like Al Sharpton will be satisfied with nothing less than a lynching.

[Little-Acorn]

Zimmerman has been charged with 2nd degree murder. I think they had a better chance of proving involuntary manslaughter,

....which might be exactly whay they chose the Murder charge... gives him a better chance of being found Not Guilty once all the evidence is publicly aired?

[Kathianne]

....which might be exactly whay they chose the Murder charge... gives him a better chance of being found Not Guilty once all the evidence is publicly aired?

Wow, how Machiavellian this post! :thumb: I never thought of that. Seriously, from what I've read over time, I don't know that manslaughter would be proven.

I think Zimmerman contributed to the loss of life, though his shooting seems not to have been excessive.

It really should be not be tried in the media, which is all we have and have all been commenting on.

[Mr. P]

Zimmerman has been charged with 2nd degree murder. I think they had a better chance of proving involuntary manslaughter, but this will be interesting.

http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-murder-charge-trayvon-martin-case-214123361.html


But then none of us know just what evidence they have and won't until trail.

[jimnyc]

....which might be exactly whay they chose the Murder charge... gives him a better chance of being found Not Guilty once all the evidence is publicly aired?

They won't discuss the discovery process until the defense asks for it, according to the special prosecutor. So who knows what else they may know that we don't. But IMO, a plain old self defense claim would protect him in this case. Other than rhetoric, I've yet to see anything to suggest that Zimmerman WASNT defending himself or thought his life was in danger. All the rhetoric in the world, the assumptions and monday morning QB'n won't matter - it's going to be what they can prove. We have one eyewitness that we're aware of, and his story supports Zimmerman. We have another witness who heard screams, and didn't think it was that of Zimmerman. And then we have the forensics of the case, and by that I mean what paramedics saw and other on scene responders. And does a thorough investigation support that Zimmerman was getting pummeled as he claims.

I'm obviously not an attorney, and don't even know shit about this defense to be honest. I've always been under the impression that the prosecution must prove it's crime. So I'm assuming Zimmerman doesn't even need to prove it was self defense, just make the claim, and then the state must prove otherwise. That being the case, and with the details that we all know at this moment, I don't see how they can prove murder.

[jimnyc]

But then none of us know just what evidence they have and won't until trail.

Yep, no doubt, it'll be interesting watching this unfold.

[tailfins]

....which might be exactly whay they chose the Murder charge... gives him a better chance of being found Not Guilty once all the evidence is publicly aired?

Involuntary Manslaughter is a lesser included offense to second degree murder. He could me charged with second degree murder and be convicted as involuntary manslaughter as a lesser included.
http://www.justia.com/criminal/docs/calcrim/500/580.html

[darin]

Unless Z is lynched/killed/life in prison we'll see riots, looting ala rodney king verdicts.

[Mr. P]

Yep, no doubt, it'll be interesting watching this unfold.

I agree. The ONE thing I KNOW for sure is...the RACE BAITERS won't be happy regardless of the outcome. Just sayin

[Anton Chigurh]

They will accept a plea to a lesser charge, the strategy of 2nd degree murder is, you bypass the grand jury which might no-bill, and you appease the "justusbots" out there.

If he doesn't plea out they risk acquittal or outright dismissal for lack of evidence. This never sees a jury.

[Dilloduck]

I'm shocked. They completely forgot to charge him with a "hate" crime.

[SassyLady]

I'm shocked. They completely forgot to charge him with a "hate" crime.

So many people are going to need their anti-depressants now.

[Anton Chigurh]

I'm shocked. They completely forgot to charge him with a "hate" crime.That's the federal civil rights beef, that's coming later.

[Gator Monroe]

Master Race Baiters !:cheers2:

[SassyLady]

Will it be dismissed?



The prosecutors must prove Zimmerman's shooting of Martin was rooted in hatred or ill will and counter his claims that he shot Martin to protect himself while patrolling his gated community in the Orlando suburb of Sanford. Zimmerman's lawyers would only have to prove by a preponderance of evidence — a relatively low legal standard — that he acted in self-defense at a pretrial hearing to prevent the case from going to trial.

There's a "high likelihood it could be dismissed by the judge even before the jury gets to hear the case," Florida defense attorney Richard Hornsby said.

http://www.theblaze.com/the-wire/13331451/prosecutors-face-hurdles-in-trayvon-martin-case/

[logroller]

Will it be dismissed?

...with prejudice?

[Anton Chigurh]

Will it be dismissed?Ha! As posted earlier!

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?34802-Florida-prosecutors-will-charge-Zimmerman-hold-trial&p=537156#post537156

[Gaffer]

How many times was Martin shot? How many times did Zimmerman fire?

After reading what has been presented in the various news formats, I side with Zimmerman. If it even goes to court, it will be to delay the riots. They don't want them starting too soon.

[Anton Chigurh]

How many times was Martin shot? How many times did Zimmerman fire?

After reading what has been presented in the various news formats, I side with Zimmerman. If it even goes to court, it will be to delay the riots. They don't want them starting too soon.Timing is essential.

But, all the 'justus' bots really want is a arrest on a charge that has the word 'murder' in it, and a perp walk. They don't really care about the truth of the matter.

[Gaffer]

Timing is essential.

But, all the 'justus' bots really want is a arrest on a charge that has the word 'murder' in it, and a perp walk. They don't really care about the truth of the matter.

What they want are riots in every American city and a race war that will bring about martial law.

[tailfins]

Timing is essential.

But, all the 'justus' bots really want is a arrest on a charge that has the word 'murder' in it, and a perp walk. They don't really care about the truth of the matter.


Is that anything like the Justus Brothers? (Audio only below)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWJ-ovHorjo&feature=related

[Anton Chigurh]

What they want are riots in every American city and a race war that will bring about martial law.I never bought into that accusation when Booooosh was POTUS, and not buying into it now. The timing involved has to do with re-election, not martial law.

[jimnyc]

I am curious who is "directing" Trayvon Martin's mother. Earlier today she was interviewed and she said that she thought Zimmerman "made a mistake", and although she wants justice, she thinks it was a huge mistake that he hadn't intended on making, but did.

Just a few short hours later - and now she says he stalked her son and murdered him in cold blood.

Initial comments:


"I believe it was an accident," Fulton told Ann Curry in the initial interview. "I believe that it just got out of control and he couldn't turn the clock back."

A few hours later:


"George Zimmerman stalked my son and murdered him in cold blood,"

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/george-zimmerman-charged-2nd-degree-murder-trayvon-martin-143832017.html

[Gaffer]

I never bought into that accusation when Booooosh was POTUS, and not buying into it now. The timing involved has to do with re-election, not martial law.

The next six months will prove me right or wrong. If I'm wrong feel free to laugh at me and make fun. If I'm right....well, better hope I'm wrong.

[Anton Chigurh]

The next six months will prove me right or wrong. If I'm wrong feel free to laugh at me and make fun. If I'm right....well, better hope I'm wrong.Wouldn't laugh or make fun, or probably even remember.