10 reasons why the rest of the world believes we are nuts

[gabosaurus]

A good read, although a lengthy one. Feel free to put on your blinders if you don't agree. :cool:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/womens-reproductive-rights_b_1345214.html

[logroller]

A good read, although a lengthy one. Feel free to put on your blinders if you don't agree. :cool:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/womens-reproductive-rights_b_1345214.html

how bout a blurb; like, just 1 reason?

[Gaffer]

What's this we shit, got a mouse in your pocket?

[fj1200]

how bout a blurb; like, just 1 reason?

It goes about like this...



blah, blah, blah...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/womens-reproductive-rights_b_1345214.html

[Anton Chigurh]

Who gives a red rat's ass what the rest of the world thinks. Without us they'd all be speaking German or Japanese.

[Gator Monroe]

We put our Boys up on the moon to play golf & drive Dune Buggies almost 50 years ago , they can't get over that :dance:

[LuvRPgrl]

A good read, although a lengthy one. Feel free to put on your blinders if you don't agree. :cool:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/womens-reproductive-rights_b_1345214.html

huffington post has two levels of reporting, bad and horrible

[Anton Chigurh]

We put our Boys up on the moon to play golf & drive Dune Buggies almost 50 years ago , they can't get over that :dance:We are bigger, stronger, better looking, better fed, more comfortable, more secure, better and more productive workers, more innovative, more inventive - in every way exceptional and truly the only remaining bastion of liberty on the planet. THIS is the source of the rancor. Pure envy. Simple.

[logroller]

We are bigger, stronger, better looking, better fed, more comfortable, more secure, better and more productive workers, more innovative, more inventive - in every way exceptional and truly the only remaining bastion of liberty on the planet. THIS is the source of the rancor. Pure envy. Simple.

Don't forget more humble...just sayin. :cool:

[DragonStryk72]

First off, the reasons, which I will be commenting on as we go:


1. Making women carry still-born fetuses to full term because cows and pigs do. This week, Mr England, you supported a bill, the net effect of which, taken tandem with other restrictions, will result in doctors and women being unable to make (http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-government/georgia-house-passes-fetal-1367649.html) private, medically-based, critical care decisions and some women being effectively forced to carry their dead or dying fetuses. Women are different from farm animals, Mr. England, and this bill, requiring a woman to carry a dead or dying fetus is inhumane and unethical. By forcing a woman to do this, you are violating her right not to be subjected to inhuman treatment and tortured. And, yes, involuntarily carrying a dead fetus to term, although not torture to you or to a pig, is torture for a woman. It is also a violation of her bodily integrity and a threat to her life and as such violates her right to life.

Oh my god, they forgot to put in an explicitly detailed clause for if your baby's dead, which should just be common sense so clearly they should be line up and shot in the town square[/sarcasm]. Guess what? If it's dead, it's not an abortion, end of argument.


2. Consigning women to death to save a fetus. Abortions save women's lives. "Let women die" (http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/230846/20111013/protect-life-act-house-advances-anti-abortion-bill-nancy-pelosi.htm?cid=2) bills are happening all over the country. There is no simple or pretty way to put this. Every day, all over the world, women die because they do not have access to safe abortions. Yet, here we are, returning to the dark ages of maternal sacrifice. Do really have to type this sentence: this is a violation of women's fundamental right to life.

Now, who names them "Let Women Die" bills? I doubt it's the people proposing the bills, as that's really not a good marketing decision right there. So it's the people who are against the bill. So, what are the criteria of a "Let Women Die" bill? I mean, there would have to be, because otherwise it's just a tool by which politician's can panic people, and make their opponents look like moustache-twirling supervillains.


3. Criminalizing pregnancy and miscarriages and arresting, imprisoning and charging women who miscarry with murder, like Rennie Gibbs (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/24/america-pregnant-women-murder-charges) in Mississippi or at least 40 other similar cases in Alabama or like Bei Bei Shuai, (http://www.thenation.com/article/166664/protect-pregnant-women-free-bei-bei-shuai) a woman who is now imprisoned, is charged with murder after trying to commit suicide while pregnant. Pregnant women are becoming a special class subject to "special" laws that infringe on their fundamental rights.

You know why? Because they aren't the only ones involved in it. How simple is this to understand? If a man took a bat to your stomach while you were pregnant at 16 weeks, and you miscarry, is he charged with murder or with performing an illegal abortion? And why is it suddenly rendered noble when a woman kills her baby that would otherwise come to term and be born?


4. Forcing women to undergo involuntary vaginal penetration (otherwise called rape) with a condom-covered, six- to eight-inch ultrasound probe (http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/02/15/government-sanctioned-rape-in-state-virginia-and-texas). Pennsylvania (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/12/pennsylvania-anti-abortion-bill-would-mandate-transvaginal-ultrasound/) is currently considering that option along with 11 other states. Trans-vaginal ultrasounds undertaken without a woman's consent are rape according to the legal definition of the word. This violates a woman's bodily integrity and also constitutes torture when used, as states are suggesting, as a form of control and oppression. Women have the right not to be raped by the state.

Ah, good, a directly misleading link. The bill that they are considering (as in haven't passed or fully written up), is this "Sponsored by GOP Rep. Kathy Rapp, House Bill 1077 (http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/billinfo/billinfo.cfm?syear=2011&sind=0&body=H&type=B&bn=1077) would force women to undergo an ultrasound, hear the fetal heartbeat, and present images of the fetus to her abortion provider before she can get an abortion. But, the kind of ultrasound required would have to be a transvaginal ultrasound. According to PennLive (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/03/abortion_ultrasounds_law.html), “Rapp’s bill does not specify the type of ultrasound a woman would be forced to undergo to have an abortion. But since most abortions performed in Pennsylvania are done in the first trimester, a transvaginal ultrasound *likely* would be ordered.”

So then, basically what they're is saying is that if a woman wants to get an abortion, she must be made to understand the full ramifications of her actions. Oh yes, clearly they're horrific monsters :rolleyes:


5. Disabling women or sacrificing their lives by either withholding medical treatment or forcing women to undergo involuntary medical procedures. We impose an unequal obligation on women to sacrifice their bodily integrity for another. For example, as in Tysiac v. Poland (http://reproductiverights.org/en/case/tysiac-v-poland), in which a mother of two, became blind after her doctor refused to perform an abortion that she wanted that would have halted the course of a degenerative eye disease. If my newborn baby is in need of a kidney and you have a spare matching one, can I enact legislation that says the state can take yours and give it to her? No. We do not force people to donate their organs to benefit others, even those who have already been born. One of the most fundamental of all human rights is that humans be treated equally before the law. Denying a woman this right is a violation of her equal right to this protection.

And how does this case in Poland?! relate to why other countries think we're crazy? Yeah, I followed the link, and the case is from Poland, not the US, so why is it that it somehow applies to us?

None of our states, as far as I know, are denying women medical care. Yes, some states are choosing not to fund free abortions, but then, they really shouldn't have been doing that in the first place, and that doesn't really deny anyone medical care.


6. Giving zygotes "personhood" rights while systematically stripping women of their fundamental rights. There is too much to say about the danger of personhood ideas creeping into health policy to do it here. But, consider what happens to a woman whose womb is not considered the "best" environment for a gestating fetus in a world of personhood (http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/02/14/what-do-artificial-wombs-mean-women)-for-zygote legislation: who decides the best environment -- the state, her insurance company, her employer, her rapist who decides he really, really wants to be a father? Anyone but a woman.

Um... There are no real words for this one. You're saying we're insane for something that is done by a technology that is only theoretical at this point?! Yeah, that's right, this link leads to a completely unrelated article. Oh, and nice way to go there, with the insinuating it's never the woman's fault for pregnancy, only men. Cause it's not like women every just make bad, poorly thought out choices, that's only guys. So should loving husbands who want a child have that child murdered in an abortion clinic after their completely consensual sex with their wife? I mean, they both understand there's a chance of pregnancy involved here, so how this a fucking shock?


7. Inhibiting, humiliating and punishing women for their choices to have an abortion for any reason by levying taxes specifically on abortion, including abortions sought by rape victims (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/06/kansas-anti-abortion-bill_n_1258185.html) to end their involuntary insemination, imposing restrictive requirements like 24 hour wait periods and empowering doctors (http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/03/09/arizona_senate_approves_bill_allowing_anti_abortio n_doctors_to_mislead_patients.html) to lie to female patients about their fetuses in order to avoid prosecution. In Arizona, Kansas, Texas, Virginia, Colorado, Arkansas and other states around the country bills that make women "pay" for their choices are abounding.

Okay, this one I agree with you on. No bill should allow your doctor to without your medical information, period. So far, that's one out of ten.


8. Allowing employers to delve into women's private lives and only pay for insurance when they agree, for religious reasons, with how she choses to use birth control. In Arizona (http://www.statepress.com/2012/03/12/senate-judiciary-committee-endorses-controversial-contraceptive-bill/), which introduced such a bill this week, this means covering payment for birth control as a benefit only when a woman has proven that she will not use it to control her own reproduction (ie. as birth control). As much as I am worried about women and families in Arizona though, I am more worried about those in Alabama. You see, as recently revealed in a public policy poll in Alabama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKKZ5pxeMIE&feature=youtube_gdata_player), conservative, evangelicals who support "personhood" related "pro-life" legislation and are fighting for their "religious liberty" -- 21 percent think interracial marriage should be illegal. So, what if they decide that an employee involved in an interracial marriage should not, by divine mandate, reproduce? Do they switch and provide birth control for this employee? Do they make contraception a necessary term of employment for people in interracial marriages? This violates a woman's right to privacy. My womb is one million times more private than your bedrooms, gentlemen.

Okay, a hit and a miss here. Yes, the AZ bill is idiotic and overreaches, forcing women to provide reasons why they need a covered prescription to their boss is a violation of privacy.

However, that does not excuse the miss, in that the author jumps to wild speculation over something that isn't even vaguely being considered for a bill. This is based entirely off of a public policy poll, it is not up for consideration in any legislative manner, so really, this just takes away.


9. Sacrificing women's overall health and the well-being of their families in order to stop them from exercising their fundamental human right to control their own bodies and reproduction. Texas (http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/03/13/goodbye-texas-womens-health-program) just did that when it turned down $35million dollars in federal funds thereby ensuring that 300,000 low-income and uninsured Texas women will have no or greatly-reduced access to basic preventive and reproductive health care.

DO you even consider why Texas is refusing federal funds? It's not just women's health care, they turned down bailout money as well, and generally they turn down most federal funds. Now for some odd reason, they also seem to posses the best ratio of median income to cost of living in the entire country, are experiencing yearly burgeoning growth pretty much across the board, and their budget isn't screwed all to hell. Huh, funny that, isn't it?


10. Depriving women of their ability to earn a living and support themselves and their families. Bills, like this one in Arizona (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephanie-schriock/arizona-birth-control_b_1346146.html), allow employers to fire women for using contraception. Women like these are being fired for not (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/opinion/pregnant-and-pushed-out-of-a-job.html).

Okay, this one fails because it's really just a rehash of number eight.


You presume to consign my daughters and yours to function as reproductive animals.



Okay, 1 out of 10? Christ, was this author even reading the links he was posting?!

[Anton Chigurh]

Don't forget more humble...just sayin. :cool:We don't claim to be, or need to be.

[Thunderknuckles]

The article should have been titled 10 reasons why Coraya Chemaly thinks we are nuts.
This feminist obviously doesn't know enough about what happens with women in other parts of the world.

Nice response Dragon.

[Gator Monroe]

Our Women are the most FREE & Powerfull in the world .:dance:

[LuvRPgrl]

We put our Boys up on the moon to play golf & drive Dune Buggies almost 50 years ago , they can't get over that :dance:

we also bailed them out of WWII, and right after the war when we saved them economically as they had declared bankruptcy

[LuvRPgrl]

Our Women are the most FREE & Powerfull in the world .:dance:

Yes, but at a seriously high cost, too costly in my oopinion

[Gator Monroe]

Yes, but at a seriously high cost, too costly in my oopinion

Who we gonna give the Money too insted (Our Church ? Temple?? Golf Club, Motorbike Club, ACLU ??Government ???) The Women deserve our money (In most Cases)

[LuvRPgrl]

Who we gonna give the Money too insted (Our Church ? Temple?? Golf Club, Motorbike Club, ACLU ??Government ???) The Women deserve our money (In most Cases)

not what Im talking bout. We, as a nation, have seriously sacraficed our family structure for women going in mass into the work force, and that ulltimately will be the downfall of our countries number one status.

[Gator Monroe]

not what Im talking bout. We, as a nation, have seriously sacraficed our family structure for women going in mass into the work force, and that ulltimately will be the downfall of our countries number one status.

BS , our Women will help save the world , in more ways than even I can Imagine right now (It was money well spent)

[LuvRPgrl]

BS , our Women will help save the world , in more ways than even I can Imagine right now (It was money well spent)

Not BS at all, our kids have paid a great price for the migration of women into the work force.

[Gator Monroe]

Not BS at all, our kids have paid a great price for the migration of women into the work force.

Ditto , They (THE CHILDREN)have been left at the mercy of Progressive & Left Leaning Teachers which has done Far More Damage than Mommy Working or Getting a Divorce & staying Single with a Job ...

[Thunderknuckles]

Ditto , They (THE CHILDREN)have been left at the mercy of Progressive & Left Leaning Teachers which has done Far More Damage than Mommy Working or Getting a Divorce & staying Single with a Job ...
Another ditto. My wife gave up her career to stay home and raise our kids. It's been hard financially but has benefited our kids enormously.

[LuvRPgrl]

Ditto , They (THE CHILDREN)have been left at the mercy of Progressive & Left Leaning Teachers which has done Far More Damage than Mommy Working or Getting a Divorce & staying Single with a Job ...

and the stupid thing, almost all couples thought they would do so much better financially, but eventually the market adjusted. For example, housing took about 25 percent prior to the migration, immediately after, it went to about 12 percent, but eventually it went back up to 25 percent.

It has lead to, or participated in virtually,or maybe literally, in every problem of our country today

the women gave up the most important job in the country, and the world, molding the kids, for a job perceived by many, as more important and prestigous, but wasnt,

[tailfins]

Not BS at all, our kids have paid a great price for the migration of women into the work force.


You have identified the root of the coarsening of our society. Feminism has transformed women from nurturers into schemers. Almost universally American women in the corporate world are schemers. It manifests itself as a focus on how an answer to a problem will affect the power or politics of the organization as opposed to the factually correct answer. The only real (and rare) exception is the female uber-nerd.

[tailfins]

Another ditto. My wife gave up her career to stay home and raise our kids. It's been hard financially but has benefited our kids enormously.

My advice to men is simply this: No engagement (let alone marriage) unless your prospective fiancee agrees no working outside the home unless for a short-term emergency. Anyone who won't do that should be just a good time until someone better comes along.

[logroller]

Our Women are the most FREE & Powerfull in the world .:dance:
except they aren't.


The G.D.I. takes both absolute and relative levels of these factors into account, penalizing countries with a high disparity between men’s and women’s achievements. In 2007, the latest year for which data are currently available, the United States ranked 13th on the Human Development Index and 19th on the Gender-Related Development Index. Norway took first place on the H.D.I., but only second on the G.D.I. (Australia took the gold in G.D.I. rankings.)A second United Nations measure, the Gender Empowerment Measure (http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/indices/gdi_gem/) (G.E.M.), focuses more narrowly on relative levels of political participation and decision-making power, economic participation and earnings. The economic component, however, is influenced by absolute levels of income. As a result, low-income countries rank low. Sweden took top prize in 2007, with the United States in 18th place.The organization Social Watch publishes a Gender Equity Index (http://www.socialwatch.org/node/11562)
(G.E.I.) that combines elements similar to both the G.D.I. and the G.E.M., but relies entirely on relative measures, using a score of 100 to indicate perfect equality. This measure puts some less-developed countries (such as Rwanda) in the top category along with Scandinavian countries, with a score over 80; the United States has a score below 65.
The World Economic Forum published a Gender Gap Index (http://www.weforum.org/en/initiatives/gcp/Gender%20Gap/index.htm)
(G.G.I.) in 2007 that combines quantitative measures with some qualitative measures based on a survey of 9,000 business leaders in 104 countries. They put the United States in 31st place. (http://www.weforum.org/pdf/gendergap/rankings2007.pdf)
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/08/the-worlds-best-countries-for-women/

[logroller]

We don't claim to be, or need to be.
By 'We', you mean those who are blinded by their arrogance and ignorance. Count me out.

[LuvRPgrl]

By 'We', you mean those who are blinded by their arrogance and ignorance. Count me out.

If someone is ignorant, how do they know they are ignorant?

[logroller]

If someone is ignorant, how do they know they are ignorant?

Well, its a challenge I guess. You just do the best that you can!

http://youtu.be/ZKEnVOuOOOE

[Gator Monroe]

Get back to me when France or Britain or China can have a Woman racing in the Indy 500 and NASCAR

[hjmick]

Hey Gabo, does HuffPo pay you for attempting to generate traffic to their site?


For fucks sake, post a portion of the article next time. Let us decide whether or not to go to the site on our own.

[logroller]

Get back to me when France or Britain or China can have a Woman racing in the Indy 500 and NASCAR

London born Pippa Mann finished 20th in last year's Indy 500.

Danica Patrick began her racing career in Britain.

Here's a couple other female race car drivers.
Milka Duno- Venezuala
http://www.carinsurancecompanies.com/top-5-women-drivers/../wp-content/uploads/2010/10/milka-duno-200x300.jpg

Katherine Legge- Britain
http://www.carinsurancecompanies.com/top-5-women-drivers/../wp-content/uploads/2010/10/katherine-legge-279x300.jpg

[Gator Monroe]

The "And NASCAR" part got by you ...:link:

[gabosaurus]

My advice to men is simply this: No engagement (let alone marriage) unless your prospective fiancee agrees no working outside the home unless for a short-term emergency. Anyone who won't do that should be just a good time until someone better comes along.

First of all, kudos to Dragon for actually responding to the original thread instead of playing cute with the subject matter.

Tailfins is obviously a Santorum supporter who wishes we were still living in the 1950s. Obviously he has failed to notice that, in the modern era, women can do any non-physical job that men can do. And, in many cases, do it better.
We have long since past the time when a woman's only functions were child bearing, cooking dinner and cleaning the house. The modern successful marriage is 50-50 all the way across. There are many households (including some on DP) where the woman is breadwinner and the man keeps the house going.
I was raised with two working parents. My husband was raised with a stay at home mom. Both of us enjoyed a wonderful childhood and emerged as responsible adults.
Ozzy and Harriett don't live here anymore. Women are no longer content to be breedsows.

[logroller]

The "And NASCAR" part got by you ...:link:

How many American women have driven in both the Indy 500 and NASCAR? One?
How many non-American men have driven in both? Less than handful I'd imagine.

And why's that? Perhaps its b/c NASCAR is a sport found only in America, and I don't imagine they get exposed to that style of racing elsewhere. Though, Piccadilly Circus probably offers similar excitement and entertainment value.:poke:

[tailfins]

First of all, kudos to Dragon for actually responding to the original thread instead of playing cute with the subject matter.

Tailfins is obviously a Santorum supporter who wishes we were still living in the 1950s. Obviously he has failed to notice that, in the modern era, women can do any non-physical job that men can do. And, in many cases, do it better.
We have long since past the time when a woman's only functions were child bearing, cooking dinner and cleaning the house. The modern successful marriage is 50-50 all the way across. There are many households (including some on DP) where the woman is breadwinner and the man keeps the house going.
I was raised with two working parents. My husband was raised with a stay at home mom. Both of us enjoyed a wonderful childhood and emerged as responsible adults.
Ozzy and Harriett don't live here anymore. Women are no longer content to be breedsows.

What you are doing is imposing an expectation for men to do housework. I will agree that most American woman are no longer content .... with anything. The nurturer has been traded for the schemer. My observation is that female breadwinners usually fit the profile what the Bible calls contentious women.

Proverbs 21:19 - It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.

Proverbs 25:24 - It is better to dwell in a corner of the house top, then with a brawling woman, and in a wide house.

Someone being whomever they want to be is one thing. When they start imposing on others, it's another. If you look at my other posts, you will see I don't hassle people for being gay, transsexual, goths or whatever. When you pressure people into extra work or expense for "who you are", then I have something to say about it.