Ron Paul says we are talking about attacking Iran

[jimnyc]

I've obviously been following the Iran saga for quite some time. It DOES appear to me like something is going to give eventually between Iran and Israel. I also know we are a large vocal opponent against Iran, especially within the UN, and with regards to sanctions.

Here's what he says after blistering his way to 2 more horrible showings yesterday:


“And now, of course, they’re talking about attacking another country—Iran,” Paul declared. “There’s no evidence they have nuclear weapons; there’s no evidence they are even building them. We have to be heard about this—this country does not need another war at all.”

Who is "they"? I've not seen/read a lot of talk about the USA attacking, so I'm wondering specifically where he is getting his information from? Is he in security committee's that I am unaware of, and maybe privy to info that the rest of us aren't?

http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/feisty-ron-paul-hangs-in-despite-likely-poor-showing-in-michigan-arizona-20120228

[revelarts]

"They" have mentioned "nothings off the table" from Obama several congress people and of course pundits and people like Santorum Romney and Gingirch.

Obama State of the Union
"...The regime is more isolated than ever before; its leaders are faced with crippling sanctions, and as long as they shirk their responsibilities, this pressure will not relent. Let there be no doubt: America is determined to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, and I will take no options off the table to achieve that goal...."

Panetta
"...we would take action and reopen the strait..." by the 5th Fleet on station in the Persian Gulf. In other words, if this scenario comes to pass, the Senate will have effectively declared war."


over in the UK

JIM MURPHY Defense Official:
I think the point here....that Iran shouldn’t be getting a nuclear bomb, and let’s exhaust every possible peaceful and diplomatic and economic option. Let’s work harder at that, let’s tighten the noose, squeeze, squeeze and squeeze again on economic and diplomatic sanctions and let’s see where that gets us but nothing’s off the table when it comes to dealing with Iran except they should not be allowed to get a nuclear bomb....

[jimnyc]

"They" have mentioned "nothings off the table" from Obama several congress people and of course pundits and people like Santorum Romney and Gingirch.

Obama State of the Union
"...The regime is more isolated than ever before; its leaders are faced with crippling sanctions, and as long as they shirk their responsibilities, this pressure will not relent. Let there be no doubt: America is determined to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, and I will take no options off the table to achieve that goal...."

Panetta
"...we would take action and reopen the strait..." by the 5th Fleet on station in the Persian Gulf. In other words, if this scenario comes to pass, the Senate will have effectively declared war."


over in the UK

So now "no options off the table" = We are planning on attacking Iran?

This is why the old idiot is only getting 8-12% of the vote and his campaign is all but buried in the sand right now. He's getting annihilated, so he thinks he'll toss out a few things and try to garner a few votes from the peaceniks. Even that won't help the old racist though.

If anything at all happens, it'll be Israel. I remember the year before going into Iraq, now THAT was talk about planning an attack.

I just can't wait for this old blowhard to disappear. Unfortunately, he'll probably stay for the long run, even though he's dead in the water already.

[logroller]

So now "no options off the table" = We are planning on attacking Iran?

Uh... yea, pretty much. Unless you think 'options' are nothing more than bullet points in a power point presentation; then yes, we have plans to attack them. I would hope we too have plans that avert executing those plans-- but such plans having contingencies are nonetheless plans.

[revelarts]

...This is why the old idiot is only getting 8-12% of the vote and his campaign is all but buried in the sand right now. He's getting annihilated, so he thinks he'll toss out a few things and try to garner a few votes from the peaceniks. Even that won't help the old racist though.
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Get you numbers right Jim


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Results for Minnesota Republican Caucus (U.S. Presidential Primary)


Feb 07, 2012 (100% of precincts reporting)

</tbody>

<tbody>
Rick Santorum
21,932
44.9%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Ron Paul

13,228
27.1%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Mitt Romney
8,222
16.9%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Newt Gingrich
5,272
10.8%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Other
141
0.3%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png

</tbody>



<tbody>
Results for Maine Republican Caucus (U.S. Presidential Primary)


Feb 11, 2012 (87% of precincts reporting)

</tbody>

<tbody>
Mitt Romney
2,269
39%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Ron Paul
2,030
34.9%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Rick Santorum
1,052
18.1%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Newt Gingrich
391
6.7%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Other
72
1.2%
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Results for Nevada Republican Caucus (U.S. Presidential Primary)


Feb 04, 2012 (100% of precincts reporting)

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<tbody>
Mitt Romney
16,486
50.1%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Newt Gingrich
6,956
21.1%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Ron Paul
6,175
18.8%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Rick Santorum
3,277
10%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Other
0
0%
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Results for New Hampshire Republican Primary (U.S. Presidential Primary)


Jan 10, 2012 (100% of precincts reporting)

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Mitt Romney
97,532
39.3%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Ron Paul
56,848
22.9%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Jon Huntsman
41,945
16.9%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Newt Gingrich
23,411
9.4%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Rick Santorum
23,362
9.4%
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Rick Perry
1,766
0.7%
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Results for Iowa Republican Caucus (U.S. Presidential Primary)


Jan 03, 2012 (>99% of precincts reporting)

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Rick Santorum
29,839
24.6%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Mitt Romney
29,805
24.5%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Ron Paul
26,036
21.4%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Newt Gingrich
16,163
13.3%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Rick Perry
12,557
10.3%



Michele Bachmann
6,046
5%



Jon Huntsman
739
0.6%



Other
316
0.3%


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Source: AP

[logroller]

Get you numbers right Jim


<tbody>
Results for Minnesota Republican Caucus (U.S. Presidential Primary)


Feb 07, 2012 (100% of precincts reporting)

</tbody>

<tbody>
Rick Santorum
21,932
44.9%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Ron Paul

13,228
27.1%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Mitt Romney
8,222
16.9%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Newt Gingrich
5,272
10.8%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Other
141
0.3%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png

</tbody>



<tbody>
Results for Maine Republican Caucus (U.S. Presidential Primary)


Feb 11, 2012 (87% of precincts reporting)

</tbody>

<tbody>
Mitt Romney
2,269
39%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Ron Paul
2,030
34.9%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Rick Santorum
1,052
18.1%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Newt Gingrich
391
6.7%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Other
72
1.2%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png

</tbody>




<tbody>
Results for Nevada Republican Caucus (U.S. Presidential Primary)


Feb 04, 2012 (100% of precincts reporting)

</tbody>

<tbody>
Mitt Romney
16,486
50.1%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Newt Gingrich
6,956
21.1%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Ron Paul
6,175
18.8%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Rick Santorum
3,277
10%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Other
0
0%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png

</tbody>



<tbody>
Results for New Hampshire Republican Primary (U.S. Presidential Primary)


Jan 10, 2012 (100% of precincts reporting)

</tbody>

<tbody>
Mitt Romney
97,532
39.3%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Ron Paul
56,848
22.9%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Jon Huntsman
41,945
16.9%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Newt Gingrich
23,411
9.4%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Rick Santorum
23,362
9.4%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Rick Perry
1,766
0.7%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png

</tbody>



<tbody>
Results for Iowa Republican Caucus (U.S. Presidential Primary)


Jan 03, 2012 (>99% of precincts reporting)

</tbody>

<tbody>
Rick Santorum
29,839
24.6%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Mitt Romney
29,805
24.5%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Ron Paul
26,036
21.4%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Newt Gingrich
16,163
13.3%
http://ssl.gstatic.com/onebox/minor/elections/us_2012/color_cc6666.png


Rick Perry
12,557
10.3%



Michele Bachmann
6,046
5%



Jon Huntsman
739
0.6%



Other
316
0.3%


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Source: AP
Jim is more than a little biased against RP; no surprise he'd recall unsavory numbers; but even with AP's numbers, RP still appears destined to be a spinster-- always the bridesmaid, never the bride.

[revelarts]

Jim is more than a little biased against RP; no surprise he'd recall unsavory numbers; but even with AP's numbers, RP still appears destined to be a spinster-- always the bridesmaid, never the bride.

Well he's A Player, He can't be brushed off as a sideshow personality as some would like too. Santorum's comments show his fear, "Ron Paul and Mitt are wroking agiast me, whaah. ". Many republican local and state machines are now shot though with Ron Paul minded people. He's changed the landscape hopefully the ball will keep rolling . and he's a brillient political stratigist. he's going to end up with a lot of delegates and I don't know what he plans on doing at the convention or before with them but he's got a sly smile on his face whenever he talks about them. Campainges not over, stay tuned.

[krisy]

I've obviously been following the Iran saga for quite some time. It DOES appear to me like something is going to give eventually between Iran and Israel. I also know we are a large vocal opponent against Iran, especially within the UN, and with regards to sanctions.

Here's what he says after blistering his way to 2 more horrible showings yesterday:



Who is "they"? I've not seen/read a lot of talk about the USA attacking, so I'm wondering specifically where he is getting his information from? Is he in security committee's that I am unaware of, and maybe privy to info that the rest of us aren't?

http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/feisty-ron-paul-hangs-in-despite-likely-poor-showing-in-michigan-arizona-20120228


Hasn't Iran admitted that they were building a nuke?

Didn't Paul also say that the leader of Iran never threatened Israel? Just wondering if he watches the news?

[jimnyc]

Jim is more than a little biased against RP; no surprise he'd recall unsavory numbers; but even with AP's numbers, RP still appears destined to be a spinster-- always the bridesmaid, never the bride.

Grabbing numbers from a few states and leaving the others out hardly tells the entire story. He's been polling at about 12% nationally and his TOTAL voting this far has been about 12%. Sure we can both cherrypick certain states, but I'm talking totals, which is what matters in the end.

[jimnyc]

Grabbing numbers from a few states and leaving the others out hardly tells the entire story. He's been polling at about 12% nationally and his TOTAL voting this far has been about 12%. Sure we can both cherrypick certain states, but I'm talking totals, which is what matters in the end.

Here's the up to date states, for those wishing to take the blinders off:

Mitt Romney 40% of voting
Rick Santorum 23%
Newt Gingrich 21%
Ron Paul - just shy of 11%

Not a single victory to his name and by far in last place with the delegate count. Sorry guys, this isn't "bias" - these are FACTS

[jimnyc]

Get you numbers right Jim

My numbers are 100% spot on. Stop cherrypicking states and look at the overall voting. He's not even getting the 12% I mentioned, it's worse. He's done, and was before he even started.

[jimnyc]

Well he's A Player, He can't be brushed off as a sideshow personality as some would like too. Santorum's comments show his fear, "Ron Paul and Mitt are wroking agiast me, whaah. ". Many republican local and state machines are now shot though with Ron Paul minded people. He's changed the landscape hopefully the ball will keep rolling . and he's a brillient political stratigist. he's going to end up with a lot of delegates and I don't know what he plans on doing at the convention or before with them but he's got a sly smile on his face whenever he talks about them. Campainges not over, stay tuned.

I won't even mention the irony of the "brilliance" of his "strategy". But a strategist who can't win a single primary and sits dead last with the least amount of delegates, well, doesn't speak to me of a good strategy at all.

[logroller]

Here's the up to date states, for those wishing to take the blinders off:

Mitt Romney 40% of voting
Rick Santorum 23%
Newt Gingrich 21%
Ron Paul - just shy of 11%

Not a single victory to his name and by far in last place with the delegate count. Sorry guys, this isn't "bias" - these are FACTS
Yea, well...maybe the fact is the majority of the American people are biased against RP:coffee:

[jimnyc]

Uh... yea, pretty much. Unless you think 'options' are nothing more than bullet points in a power point presentation; then yes, we have plans to attack them. I would hope we too have plans that avert executing those plans-- but such plans having contingencies are nonetheless plans.

I don't think all the "options" are off the table regarding Syria, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan and a handful of other places. We ALWAYS have contingency plans in hand, that hardly means we are planning an attack.

Also, RP should also be complaining about Iran planning on attacking the USA and Israel. China planning on attacking us. Russia planning on attacking us. Afghanistan planning on attacking us. Other countries have contingency plans as well, guaranteed. All "we" did was make mention a few times of "options not being off the table" as some tough talk. But hell, I've seen a LOT worse coming from the leaders in Iran, and their military leaders. Do either of you guys believe that Iran is planning on attacking us over there, or preemptively attacking Israel? Either you don't, which kind of proves my point, or you do, which lends credibility as to why these fuckers can't be trusted.

[jimnyc]

Yea, well...maybe the fact is the majority of the American people are biased against RP:coffee:

That I can agree with, and that's because the majority of Americans take issue with ridiculously stupid ideas. Yes, he has some damn good stances, but his idiocy FAR outshines his good moments - hence the 12%.

[Dilloduck]

RP isn't rich, boring enough or made from the proper mold to be elected. We are doomed to get another one of the same politicans that we have gotten for decades.