The modern worship of Baal?

[avatar4321]

A strong argument that people are worshiping Baal without even realizing it.

http://youtu.be/M7QHBqQY5eU

http://youtu.be/_K8YIrzHY2g

http://youtu.be/3VbvAZvm1vQ

http://youtu.be/UHqIQjNWS74

http://youtu.be/8MFYTgWD0vI

http://youtu.be/9MljbJBZRh8

[darin]

haven't seen the vids yet - but the premise bothers me; I suppose I believe one cannot accidentally worship anything.

[Noir]

Firstly how on earth do you guys watch television? A 3 of the 6 clips are 8:30 mins, 2 are 15 mins, and the last one was under 5 mins all separated with adverts? =/

Seemed pretty disjoined but a few notes -

The BEST clip was the start to the Thrid part, which opens with videos of riots and then the caption comes "WHAT TYPE OF GOD APPROVES OF VIOLENCE" obviously they're wanting you to think baal...because, of course, the god of the old testament never approved of violence in any shape form or fashion xD

Another amusing moment was when Beck said that the book/film Lord Of The Flies "proves" how darwinism could never work, oh dear xD

Baal itself is basically sin, as DMP said above, its not so much that anyone is worshipping anything, however, i can garuneetee there is not a person on this board who could not be said to be "worshipping" baal, the way it is presented in the videos

And when did the baal really start to pick up speed in america? Ofcourse when the Pill was introduced. Same old points from the religious right, woman having control over their own body leading to the ultimate downfall of civilisation...

Towards the end i think the show loses the plot a little, and just goes on an all out attack on secularism and environmentalism (i hope none of you christians recycle your waste or try to live lest wasteful lives, because thats a 'sacrament of the secular church' don't ya know')

I don't think anyone will deny they fact that we have become a greedier, needier culture, far less sensitive to sex and violence, however, to sprinkle it with meta-physics and call it a god is unnecessary imo.

[Jess]

Firstly how on earth do you guys watch television? A 3 of the 6 clips are 8:30 mins, 2 are 15 mins, and the last one was under 5 mins all separated with adverts? =/

Seemed pretty disjoined but a few notes -

The BEST clip was the start to the Thrid part, which opens with videos of riots and then the caption comes "WHAT TYPE OF GOD APPROVES OF VIOLENCE" obviously they're wanting you to think baal...because, of course, the god of the old testament never approved of violence in any shape form or fashion xD

Another amusing moment was when Beck said that the book/film Lord Of The Flies "proves" how darwinism could never work, oh dear xD

Baal itself is basically sin, as DMP said above, its not so much that anyone is worshipping anything, however, i can garuneetee there is not a person on this board who could not be said to be "worshipping" baal, the way it is presented in the videos

And when did the baal really start to pick up speed in america? Ofcourse when the Pill was introduced. Same old points from the religious right, woman having control over their own body leading to the ultimate downfall of civilisation...

Towards the end i think the show loses the plot a little, and just goes on an all out attack on secularism and environmentalism (i hope none of you christians recycle your waste or try to live lest wasteful lives, because thats a 'sacrament of the secular church' don't ya know')

I don't think anyone will deny they fact that we have become a greedier, needier culture, far less sensitive to sex and violence, however, to sprinkle it with meta-physics and call it a god is unnecessary imo.



We curse a LOT and channel-surf. ;)

[bullypulpit]

A strong argument that people are worshiping Baal without even realizing it.

http://youtu.be/M7QHBqQY5eU

http://youtu.be/_K8YIrzHY2g

http://youtu.be/3VbvAZvm1vQ

http://youtu.be/UHqIQjNWS74

http://youtu.be/8MFYTgWD0vI

http://youtu.be/9MljbJBZRh8

Glenn Beck...? Really?

[Noir]

Glenn Beck...? Really?

I didn't think Beck was in anyway unreasonable. The tone throughout was measured (probably because Beck and the Rabbi were in total agreement throughout) and even though they started to wonder of course somewhat at the end, the majority of the discussion was on message. So I don't think the fact that it was Beck is a talking point.

[revelarts]

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Baal itself is basically sin, as DMP said above, its not so much that anyone is worshipping anything, however, i can garuneetee there is not a person on this board who could not be said to be "worshipping" baal, the way it is presented in the videos
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I don't think anyone will deny they fact that we have become a greedier, needier culture, far less sensitive to sex and violence, however, to sprinkle it with meta-physics and call it a god is unnecessary imo.

just some rambling thoughts...

To pin it all on Baal is ready metaphor for much of what's going on today. But the fact that people set up justifications for certain sins and promote them as Good. Turns them into Ideological Idols. In the old days the Idols had certain characteristics and promoted certain concepts -Sex as tool of pleasure, wiht few rules- for example. Baal in some of it's forms fit well with some modern cultural idea's.
The metaphisyic , of it I believe is a reality. Many won't go there but It's a part of the package. the Bible says that people fall into to sins "but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed." The dersire is in us already to certian things, but there are spirtual forces that promote the negative desires as well. many people cliam to lead into deviant acts by spirits and some worship the sexual impluse or divine feminine, or aspects of power over others. some see power in shedding of blood of others as a way to spiritual power. When you look at a Charles mason type there seems to be more to it than just people behaving badly.

the Bible states and many Christians and former spiritualist report that the demonic world is very active and personal.
The concept of worshiping an idol is at the same time conceptual or metaphorical and spiritual.

"Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons."

the Idols are just pieces of rock or wood but there are Ideas (baduns) and spiritual beings behind um as well.

Funny how when we think an idea is the way to go that instead of the idea becoming a servant to us we often become a servent to it. the idea that Power or Sex is .... or that scinece is... or humans should... becomes the master, and worshipped and defended as a god. not to be challeged.

there's a book i read a while back that goes into more than one idol that western culture has adopted, more in the ideologiacal sense and how they a "spirit" and Anti God. It's an amzing piece a work and anit light reading. Here's the talbe of contents







Idols for Destruction
The Conflict of Christian Faith and American Culture
By Herbert Schlossberg

TABLE OF CONTENTS
Acknowledgements
Forward by Charles W. Colson
Preface by Robert H. Bork
Introduction

CHAPTER ONE: Idols of History
History as a Religious Enterprise
The Cult of Historicism
History as Lord of the Universe
Getting in Step with History
Inevitable Progress
La Trahison des Clercs: History as a Polemical Device
The Historical Profession
The Myth of the Seamless Web
The Christian View of History
God’s Action in History
Judgment
Judgment and Mercy
Consequences of the Christian View of History

CHAPTER TWO: Idols of Humanity
Human Beings as Gods
The Ethics of Antinomianism
The Function of Law as Ethical Foundation
Subjective Pragmatism
Humanitarianism
Ressentiment
Equalitarianism
The Misuse of Guilt
The Poverty Issue
Poverty and Culture
Poverty and Work
Poverty and Dependency
The Curse of Ontological Victimhood
The Poor Countries
Domination by Classification
The Exercise of Power
Issues of Life and Death
The Degradation of Humanity
The Irrationality of Humanism
Humanism and the Future

CHAPTER THREE: Idols of Mammon
Covetousness and Theft
The Alchemist as Theif
Inflation
The Role of Banking in the Inflationary Process
Politics and Inflation
Inflation as Redistribution
The Consequences of Inflation
Envy and Economics
Morality and Economics
Materialism
Redistribution
Redistribution to the Rich
Redistribution to Business and Industry
The Political Payoff
The Politics of Pressure Groups
The Power of the State over Economic Life
Bureaucratic Domination
Price Controls
Autonomous Officialdom
The Failure to Invest
The Role of Profit in the Economy
The Onset of Poverty
Freedom and Coercion
The Evasion of Evil
The Failure of Mammon

CHAPTER FOUR: Idols of Nature
Nature and History
Nature as the Whole Show
Science as Religion
Social Science as Ideology
Reductionism and the Sociology of Knowledge
Reason as Lord of the Universe
The Triumph of the Irrational
Assault from the East
Nature as Lord of the Universe
The Triumph of the Irrational
Assault from the East
Nature as Lord of the Universe
The Effects of Naturalist Irrationality
The Cult of Narcissism
A World Become Spooky
Second Face of Janus
Nature in Control
The Riddle of the One and the Many
Prolegomena to Any Christian Epistemology

CHAPTER FIVE: Idols of Power
The Creation of Leviathan
God Marching on Earth
Only the State Can Save Us
A Moral Revolution
Our Father, the State
The State as Idol
Creating Utopia
The Rule of the Elite
The New Gnosticism
The Apotheosis of Power
Scholars-on-Pension
The Shepherds and the Sheep
Bureaucrats, Politicians, and the Exercise of Power
Khadi Law and the End of Justice
Power through the Religion of the Schools
Individualism and Its Enemies
Inferior Magistrates as Countervailing Powers
The Family under Attack
The Attack on Economic Resistance to the State
Freedom as a Vice
The Question of Totalitarianism
The Vision of Global Unity
The Irrationality of Statism
The Sacralization of Power

CHAPTER SIX: Idols of Religion
Anti-Clericalism as a Biblical Theme
False Religion in the Early Church
The Conformity of American Religion
Loss of Intellectual Underpinnings
Humanism and the Church
The War against Economics
Churches of the Messianic State
Theology in the Service of Revolution
Civil Religion and the Churches
The Checkered Church
Democratic Idolatry
The Kingdom Coopted

CHAPTER SEVEN: Consequences and Expectations
Understanding the Present and Forecasting the Future
History as a Moral Universe
Foul Is Useful and Fair Is Not
Moral Man and Immoral Society
Moralism and Guilt in the Absence of Morality
Paganism Revisited: The Mimetic Inversion
The Breakdown of Intellect
Religious Secularity
Manifestations of Religious Warfare
The End of Prosperity
A Society Feeding on its Future
A Society Marked By Strife
Antinomianism as an Accompaniment to Decline
Ethics in a Post-Christian Society
The Drive for Power Accelerates
Poverty and Power
The Onset of Judgment
A Society Transformed

CHAPTER EIGHT: The New Community
The Dual Vision of Righteousness
Prolegomena to any Christian Metaphysic
Freedom and Responsibility
Prolegomena to any Christian Ethic
Idolatry and Injustice
Society and Its Dissenters
Defying Mammon
Responsibilities of the Rich and the Poor
The Stewardship of Wealth
Unity among the Faithful
Defying the Powers
The Preservation of Intellect
Christ against the World
Toward the Triumph of Justice
Persecution
Embarking on the Great Adventure
Index

[bullypulpit]

I didn't think Beck was in anyway unreasonable. The tone throughout was measured (probably because Beck and the Rabbi were in total agreement throughout) and even though they started to wonder of course somewhat at the end, the majority of the discussion was on message. So I don't think the fact that it was Beck is a talking point.

You don't know Glenn Beck the way Americans do. He'a walking, breathing, excreting talking point. Not to metion he's bat-crap crazy.

[avatar4321]

I didn't think Beck was in anyway unreasonable. The tone throughout was measured (probably because Beck and the Rabbi were in total agreement throughout) and even though they started to wonder of course somewhat at the end, the majority of the discussion was on message. So I don't think the fact that it was Beck is a talking point.

You have to understand, that to some just pointing out that it's Glenn talking about it gives them an excuse to ignore what's being said.

[darin]

You don't know Glenn Beck the way Americans do. He'a walking, breathing, excreting talking point. Not to metion he's bat-crap crazy.

Do you understand your opinion of the videos is based on a logical fallacy? Does that even matter to you?

[avatar4321]

Do you understand your opinion of the videos is based on a logical fallacy? Does that even matter to you?

It's never bothered any of his other opinions based on logical fallacy.

[Wind Song]

Ba'al is a divine title in Hebrew. It means "master". Christians have demonized the term.

[revelarts]

Ba'al is a divine title in Hebrew. It means "master". Christians have demonized the term.

um yeah it' means, "lord" some time and the devil is an angel too. but that doesn't quite tell the whole story.
tthese are a few old testaments vs.



1 Kings 18:21 (http://bible.cc/1_kings/18-21.htm) Elijah came near to all the people, and said, "How long will you waver between the two sides? If Yahweh is God, follow him; but if Baal, then follow him." The people answered him not a word

1 Kings 18:40 (http://bible.cc/1_kings/18-40.htm) Elijah said to them, "Seize the prophets of Baal! Don't let one of them escape!" They seized them. Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and killed them there.

1kings 22:
52And he did evil in the sight of the LORD, and walked in the way of his father, and in the way of his mother, and in the way of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin: 53For he served Baal, and worshipped him, and provoked to anger the LORD God of Israel, according to all that his father had done.


I don't think the Christians rewrote or "demonized" the the old testament term for the Jews here.



Numbers 25:3 (http://bible.cc/numbers/25-3.htm) Israel joined himself to Baal Peor: and the anger of Yahweh was kindled against Israel. (See RSV)
Numbers 25:5 (http://bible.cc/numbers/25-5.htm) Moses said to the judges of Israel, "Everyone kill his men who have joined themselves to Baal Peor." (See RSV)
Deuteronomy 4:3 (http://bible.cc/deuteronomy/4-3.htm) Your eyes have seen what Yahweh did because of Baal Peor; for all the men who followed Baal Peor, Yahweh your God has destroyed them from the midst of you. (See RSV)
Judges 6:25 (http://bible.cc/judges/6-25.htm) That night the LORD said to him, "Take your father's bull, the second bull seven years old, and pull down the altar of Ba'al which your father has, and cut down the Ashe'rah that is beside it; (DBY RSV)
Judges 6:28 (http://bible.cc/judges/6-28.htm) When the men of the town rose early in the morning, behold, the altar of Ba'al was broken down, and the Ashe'rah beside it was cut down, and the second bull was offered upon the altar which had been built. (DBY RSV)
Judges 6:30 (http://bible.cc/judges/6-30.htm) Then the men of the town said to Jo'ash, "Bring out your son, that he may die, for he has pulled down the altar of Ba'al and cut down the Ashe'rah beside it." (DBY RSV)
Judges 6:31 (http://bible.cc/judges/6-31.htm) But Jo'ash said to all who were arrayed against him, "Will you contend for Ba'al? Or will you defend his cause? Whoever contends for him shall be put to death by morning. If he is a god, let him contend for himself, because his altar has been pulled down." (DBY RSV)
Judges 6:32 (http://bible.cc/judges/6-32.htm) Therefore on that day he was called Jerubba'al, that is to say, "Let Ba'al contend against him," because he pulled down his altar. (Root in DBY RSV)
1 Kings 16:31 (http://bible.cc/1_kings/16-31.htm) It happened, as if it had been a light thing for him to walk in the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, that he took as wife Jezebel the daughter of Ethbaal king of the Sidonians, and went and served Baal, and worshiped him. (See RSV)
1 Kings 16:32 (http://bible.cc/1_kings/16-32.htm) He reared up an altar for Baal in the house of Baal, which he had built in Samaria. (See RSV)
1 Kings 18:19 (http://bible.cc/1_kings/18-19.htm) Now therefore send, and gather to me all Israel to Mount Carmel, and four hundred fifty of the prophets of Baal, and four hundred of the prophets of the Asherah, who eat at Jezebel's table." (See RSV)
. (See RSV)




http://concordances.org/b/ba'al.htm


whats your source

[avatar4321]

Ba'al is a divine title in Hebrew. It means "master". Christians have demonized the term.

Christians have demonized the term? Ba'al is mentioned once in the New Testament. And that is to quote a passage of the Old Testament.

The initial videos I provided were from Rabbi Daniel Lapin. Is he Christian now?

[Wind Song]

Christians have demonized the term? Ba'al is mentioned once in the New Testament. And that is to quote a passage of the Old Testament.

The initial videos I provided were from Rabbi Daniel Lapin. Is he Christian now?

Christians think of Ba'al as the devil.

[darin]

Christians think of Ba'al as the devil.


And some gay folk admit they weren't born that way. SOME are even against homosexual-marriage.

(shrug) You have a point, or are you so horny about changing the subject of every thread you are in you cant control yourself, man?

[Wind Song]

And some gay folk admit they weren't born that way. SOME are even against homosexual-marriage.

(shrug) You have a point, or are you so horny about changing the subject of every thread you are in you cant control yourself, man?


Try to stay on topic. We're discussing Ba'al. He is considered one of the seven princes of hell.

[darin]

You are absolutely the WORST Debater on this board. You made a stupid point, Avatar schooled you, you went back to the stupid point. You are so dumb, you are really dumb. For real - You don't have to confess. We can see through you.

:)

http://in-this-economy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Antoine-Dodson.png

[Wind Song]

Try staying on topic. I know you can do it, d

[fj1200]

Try to stay on topic. We're discussing Ba'al. He is considered one of the seven princes of hell.

And how many Christians do you think spend any time thinking about the seven princes of hell? :rolleyes:

[avatar4321]

Christians think of Ba'al as the devil.

He's the antithesis of God. Why wouldn't they?

[avatar4321]

And how many Christians do you think spend any time thinking about the seven princes of hell?


And how would that make him any less a devil?

Heck, how many Christians spend much time thinking of Ba'al?

[revelarts]

Christians think of Ba'al as the devil.
Christians think all idols are backed by "devils" or demons. not necessarily THE devil.
But you've avoid my earlier point about the jewish scriptures portrayal of Ba'al as evil.
Are you trying to be honest here or do you have an agenda.
or do you have a notion of what you think others believe that your trying to convince me of.
I'm a christain and I'm telling you what I believe.
I'm not sure what you are but i can make something up in the new age vain and tell you what believe as well if you like Wind Song .



Try to stay on topic. We're discussing Ba'al. He is considered one of the seven princes of hell.
I ask you again what's your source? Medieval Catholicism? FYI Medieval Catholicism is stuffed full of paganism myth and occultism, a little thing called the reformation tried to purge most of the pagan and occultic grafts, with some success. I suppose some few Catholics might still go there but frankly I'm a BI-BLE Christian. and As far as the BI-BLE says there anit no 7 princes of Hell no how.
Contrary to popular believe the Bi-Ble tells us that Satan/the Devil is not King of Hell either. He's going to be the Cheif resident as punishment. He's not and never was the ruler of it.
a little verse early on in the book of Revelations lets you know who the Ruler of Hell is.

"I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hell."
Jesus Christ, Revelations 1:18

and at the end of revelations we see jesus giving orders to angels who:
"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
Revelations 20:10


But to stay on topic both old and New Testament Jews view Idol worship of ALL types and names as the worship of Devils -(plural) or as the worship of Nothing. but never revered as "Lord" or High masters" or whatever you said before.

"But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils."
1 Corinthians 10:20 --New testament Jewish Christian Paul


16 They provoked God to anger with foreign, or other, gods that they praised, and they stirred him to rage with their abominable doings.
17 They offered to fiends, or to devils, and not to God, to gods which they knew not, to new gods which they discovered in their searching, that their fathers did not worship.
18 You have forsaken God that begat you, and you have forgotten your Lord creator/the Lord your maker.
Deuteronomy 32:16-18 --old testament Jew Moses


please note that Jews and Christians only recognize ONE true God, One Lord, and Ba'al ain't him and never was..



Isaiah 45:20-22
20Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.
21Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

[Wind Song]

And how many Christians do you think spend any time thinking about the seven princes of hell? :rolleyes:

Beats me. I'm not a Christian.

[fj1200]

Beats me. I'm not a Christian.

So I guess you just throwing it out there really doesn't mean anything.

[Wind Song]

So I guess you just throwing it out there really doesn't mean anything.

I looked it up on google and the first thing I found said about Ba'al was that he was a demon in Christianity.

I'm not picking a fight. Damn, you folks are touchy.

[ConHog]

Beats me. I'm not a Christian.

Then why are posting what we believe?


you don't see us speaking for carpet munchers do you?

[fj1200]

I looked it up and the first thing it said about Ba'al was that he was a demon in Christianity. I'm not picking a fight.

Just saying ridiculous, pointless things then. Way to keep it relevant by posting the first google hit.

[Wind Song]

Just saying ridiculous, pointless things then. Way to keep it relevant by posting the first google hit.
It is not ridiculous. Worshipping Ba'al in modern times, maybe.

Take your ugly attitude today for a walk. I'm not playing.

[fj1200]

It is not ridiculous. Worshipping Ba'al in modern times, maybe.

Take your ugly attitude today for a walk. I'm not playing.

How's my attitude ugly? That I thought your line of reasoning was pointless and mentioned it?

[Gaffer]

Baal by Robert McCammon. It's a good fantasy/horror book.

[Wind Song]

How's my attitude ugly? That I thought your line of reasoning was pointless and mentioned it?
Look up Ba' al yourself. Look up the worship of Ba'al and get back to me. I'm not in the mood for a fight.

Ba'al is a fertility god and has been used as a term for a demon. Who's worshipping? Avatar?

[Wind Song]

Here's a nice right wing article that claims all liberals are worshippers of Ba'al. I first heard of Ba'al on this thread.

And you think I'm the one picking a fight!

"While visiting the Rivermont Evangelical Presbyterian Church (http://www.rivermont.org/index.htm) in Lynchburg, Va., a few weeks back, I heard a troubling, albeit thought-provoking, sermon. Pastor John Mabray addressed the ancient Canaanite practice of Baal worship and, though he didn’t reveal it by name, connected the dots to its present-day progeny: liberalism. Baal, the half-bull, half-man god of fertility, was the focal point of pagan idolatry in Semitic Israel until God revealed His monotheistic nature to Judaism’s forebears."
http://defendingcontending.com/2009/02/16/baal-worship-then-and-now/

[fj1200]

Look up Ba' al yourself. Look up the worship of Ba'al and get back to me. I'm not in the mood for a fight.

Ba'al is a fertility god and has been used as a term for a demon. Who's worshipping? Avatar?

Not in the mood for a fight but you like to categorize and stereotype an entire group of people based on your first google hit. :rolleyes: Besides, I've looked up Ba'al and I really don't need to go any further.

[Wind Song]

Not in the mood for a fight but you like to categorize and stereotype an entire group of people based on your first google hit. :rolleyes: Besides, I've looked up Ba'al and I really don't need to go any further.

See my next find.

Some Christians have the idea that liberals are Ba'al (or devil) worshippers.

[Wind Song]

More about Ba'al:
http://www.baal.com/baal/about/divine_overview.shtml

[fj1200]

Here's a nice right wing article that claims all liberals are worshippers of Ba'al. I first heard of Ba'al on this thread.

And you think I'm the one picking a fight!

Wow, something related to the topic at hand. :fallsoffchair:


See my next find.

Some Christians have the idea that liberals are Ba'al (or devil) worshippers.

Really? I saw one reference to the devil in your link above and that was from a commenter. :confused:

[fj1200]

More about Ba'al:
http://www.baal.com/baal/about/divine_overview.shtml

Google for the win eh? :rolleyes:

[Wind Song]

avatar

You thought enough of baal to start a thread on him. WTF are you doing?


Abortion on demand is
Abortion on demand is the Baal worship of modern times. King Ahab and Queen Jezebel led the Israelites in Baal worship and the sacrifice of children in the Old Testament. Ahaz went so far as to burn "his son as an offering" to Baal/Moloch, as did Manasseh (see 2 Kings 16:3; 21:6).
the Baal worship of modern times. King Ahab and Queen Jezebel led the Israelites in Baal worship and the sacrifice of children in the Old Testament. Ahaz went so far as to burn "his son as an offering" to Baal/Moloch, as did Manasseh (see 2 Kings 16:3; 21:6).

[Wind Song]

Google for the win eh? :rolleyes:

Anyone who seriously thinks Ba'al worship is on the rise has a screw loose.

[revelarts]

Look up Ba' al yourself. Look up the worship of Ba'al and get back to me. I'm not in the mood for a fight.

Ba'al is a fertility god and has been used as a term for a demon. Who's worshipping? Avatar?
I'm not wanting a fight just some clarity,
you repeated the info of google search as if it was somewhat authoritative.
"Ba'al is a divine title in Hebrew. It means "master". Christians have demonized the term."

I among others think you are mistaken and have mentioned why.

You've posted links that say similar but not exactly, iassume you think those are somewhat authoritative, that's fine.
Any comments on what the Bible says about it, or do we just ignore that out of hand?

[fj1200]

Anyone who seriously thinks Ba'al worship is on the rise has a screw loose.

While, admittedly, not having watched the videos, I don't think that is the premise.

[Wind Song]

I'm not wanting a fight just some clarity,
you repeated the info of google search as if it was somewhat authoritative.
"Ba'al is a divine title in Hebrew. It means "master". Christians have demonized the term."

I among other think you are mistaken and have mentioned why.

You've posted links that say similar but not exactly, iassume you think those a are somewhat authoritative, that's fine.
Any comments on what the Bible says about it, or do we just ignore that out of hand?
I don't know who is a Ba'al expert. I am suspicious of this whole topic. I've seen some references to liberals being Ba'al worshippers, while also seeing Ba'al referred to as a demon.

This is probably just another liberal bashing thread.

[fj1200]

This is probably just another liberal bashing thread.

:laugh: Yeah, probably.

[Wind Song]

Isn't avatar in some kind of real super duper religion?

[jimnyc]

Isn't avatar in some kind of real super duper religion?

Christianity?

[jimnyc]

I don't know who is a Ba'al expert. I am suspicious of this whole topic. I've seen some references to liberals being Ba'al worshippers, while also seeing Ba'al referred to as a demon.

This is probably just another liberal bashing thread.

With all due respect, my young lady, but where was liberals or liberal bashing taking place in this thread?

[Wind Song]

With all due respect, my young lady, but where was liberals or liberal bashing taking place in this thread?
Read some of the articles about Ba'al worship. I've provided links. I can't be bothered watching avatars you tubes on the topic.

[fj1200]

Read some of the articles about Ba'al worship. I've provided links. I can't be bothered watching avatars you tubes on the topic.

So you have no basis on which to comment about the OP then? :rolleyes: But for that matter, neither do I.

[fj1200]

In the vein of things that didn't interest me then but do now...


A strong argument that people are worshiping Baal without even realizing it.

In the context of finishing up Hosea, that was written in the times of the falls of the Northern and Southern Kingdoms, in Sunday school and loosely defining Baal as false god(s) then I think it's undeniable that people are worshiping baal. People these days are looking for reasons to specifically not believe in God but as I've heard it said if you don't believe in something you'll believe in anything.

If you don't believe in a deity then you'll put all your faith in science, you'll raise up the environment to the level of the Almighty, or maybe you'll put all your efforts in courting the love, likes of others via social media. People want to play god by demeaning people of God, by changing the creation of God, or by fitting God into their life instead of the other way around. (I'm pretty sure I could come up with examples from the left and the right so to discuss the larger point I refrained)

Hosea, the prophets, historical context of the bible. It's all as relevant today as it was then.

[Gunny]

In the vein of things that didn't interest me then but do now...



In the context of finishing up Hosea, that was written in the times of the falls of the Northern and Southern Kingdoms, in Sunday school and loosely defining Baal as false god(s) then I think it's undeniable that people are worshiping baal. People these days are looking for reasons to specifically not believe in God but as I've heard it said if you don't believe in something you'll believe in anything.

If you don't believe in a deity then you'll put all your faith in science, you'll raise up the environment to the level of the Almighty, or maybe you'll put all your efforts in courting the love, likes of others via social media. People want to play god by demeaning people of God, by changing the creation of God, or by fitting God into their life instead of the other way around. (I'm pretty sure I could come up with examples from the left and the right so to discuss the larger point I refrained)

Hosea, the prophets, historical context of the bible. It's all as relevant today as it was then.I guess if you're going to work on your response for 10 years, it needs to be a good one.

Excellent response :)

Man-made environment is not God. Natural environment is. IMO.

[fj1200]

I guess if you're going to work on your response for 10 years...

:laugh:

[tailfins]

I guess if you're going to work on your response for 10 years, it needs to be a good one.

Excellent response :)

Man-made environment is not God. Natural environment is. IMO.

God gave man the aptitude and materials to invent air conditioning.

[Gunny]

God gave man the aptitude and materials to invent air conditioning.I'll get back to you with my response within the 10 year time limit :)