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Little-Acorn
02-06-2012, 07:50 PM
The more I look at Gingrich and Romney, the more I'm inclined to vote for Romney. Neither is perfect by any means. There's Romneycare, and there's Gingrich's dabbling with odd new-age governmental theories, and both candidates' flip-flops on various issues. And both have been saying pretty malicious, and generally false, things about each other as the campaigns proceed.

But baggage aside, I like Romney's attitudes toward more straightforward (and ultimately more just) solutions, a little better that Gingrich's occasional forays into "new" ways to solve problems. One (relatively minor) example is where Newt says that illegal aliens who have been here for a long time, become integral parts of their communities, had families etc. should be given an amnesty of sorts; where Romney says, Sorry, they still broke the law, they're still here illegally, and they knew they were subjecting themselves to deportation according to the laws in place when they walked across the border, and they should go back to their countries of origin and not step in front of others from those countries who have followed the rules, applied for visas, and waited patiently to get in.

That said, it's interesting to note some of the NON-legitimate criticism Gingrich has been getting. Hence this article.

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http://townhall.com/columnists/byronyork/2012/02/06/what_really_happened_to_the_gingrich_ethics_case/page/full/

What Really Happened to the Gingrich Ethics Case?
Byron York

Feb 06, 2012

The Romney campaign has been hitting Newt Gingrich hard over the 1990s ethics case that resulted in the former speaker being reprimanded and paying a $300,000 penalty. Romney mentions it often, and his campaign made the ethics case the focus of the most widely viewed attack ad of the Florida primary.

Given all that attention, it's worth asking what actually happened back in 1995, 1996 and 1997.

The Gingrich case was extraordinarily complex, intensely partisan, and driven in no small way by a personal vendetta on the part of one of Gingrich's former political opponents. It received saturation coverage in the press; a database search of major media outlets revealed more than 10,000 references to Gingrich's ethics problems during the six months leading to his reprimand. It ended with a special counsel hired by the House Ethics Committee holding Gingrich to an astonishingly strict standard of behavior, after which Gingrich in essence pled guilty to two minor offenses. Afterward, the case was referred to the Internal Revenue Service, which conducted an exhaustive investigation into the matter -- and then, three years later, completely exonerated Gingrich.

It's that last part of the story you don't hear about much.

At the center of the controversy was a course Gingrich taught from 1993 to 1995 at two small Georgia colleges. The class, called "Renewing American Civilization," was conceived by Gingrich and financed by a tax-exempt organization called the Progress and Freedom Foundation. Gingrich maintained that the course was a legitimate educational enterprise; his critics said it had little to do with learning and was, in fact, a political exercise in which Gingrich abused a tax-exempt foundation to spread his own partisan message.

The Gingrich case was driven in significant part by a man named Ben Jones. An actor and recovered alcoholic who became famous for playing the dim-witted Cooter in the popular 1980s TV show "The Dukes of Hazzard," Jones ran for Congress as a Democrat from Georgia in 1988. He served two terms, but lost his seat due to redistricting. Attempting a comeback, he ran against Gingrich in 1994 and lost decisively. After that, it's fair to say Jones became obsessed with bringing Gingrich down.

Two days before Election Day 1994, with defeat in sight, Jones hand-delivered a complaint to the House Ethics Committee. (The complaint was printed on "Ben Jones for Congress" stationery.) Jones charged that Gingrich "fabricated a 'college course' intended, in fact, to meet certain political, not educational, objectives."

Jones teamed up with his friend, Democratic Rep. David Bonior, to push the case relentlessly. Under public pressure, the Ethics Committee -- made up of equal numbers of Republicans and Democrats -- took up the case and hired an outside counsel, Washington lawyer James Cole, to conduct the investigation.

Cole developed a theory in which Gingrich, looking for a way to spread his political views, came up with the idea of creating a college course and then devised a way to use a tax-exempt foundation to pay the bills. Cole didn't argue that the course was not educational; it plainly was. But Cole suggested that the standard for determining wrongdoing was whether any ill intent lurked in Gingrich's heart, even if the course was unquestionably educational.

It is hard to convey today how much the media became preoccupied with the case, and how much pressure fell on Gingrich and Republicans to end the ordeal. In January 1997, Gingrich agreed to plead guilty to the previously unknown offense of failing to seek sufficiently detailed advice from a tax lawyer before proceeding with the course. (Gingrich had, in fact, sought advice from two such lawyers in relation to the course.) Gingrich also admitted that he had provided "inaccurate, incomplete and unreliable" information to Ethics Committee investigators. That "inaccurate" information was largely Gingrich's contention that the course was not political -- a claim the IRS later would support.

Why did Gingrich admit wrongdoing? "The atmosphere at the time was so rancorous, partisan, and personal that everyone, including Newt, was desperately seeking a way to end the whole thing," Gingrich attorney Jan Baran said in 1999. "He was admitting to whatever he could to get the case over with."

It was a huge victory for Democrats. They had deeply wounded the speaker. But they wanted more, and they pressed the IRS to investigate.

Experts examined every word Gingrich spoke in every class; they examined the financing and administration of the course; and they examined how the course might have fit into Gingrich's political network.

In the end, in 1999, the IRS released a highly detailed 74-page report that concluded the course was, in fact, a legitimate educational exercise. "The 'Renewing American Civilization' course was educational ... and not biased toward any of those who were supposed to be benefited," the IRS concluded.

Bottom line: Gingrich acted properly and violated no laws. Of course, by that time, Gingrich was out of office, widely presumed to be guilty of something, and his career in politics was (seemingly) over. Now he's having to fight the fight all over again.

pegwinn
02-06-2012, 08:02 PM
Why did Gingrich admit wrongdoing?

Because he's a crook. By admitting wrongdoing it is very plausible that he avoided a different bone being dug up.

I personally believe that all pols, including Ron Paul, are a bit crooked. The system virtually requires it. In my own opinion a politician should be held to a higher standard. These are the people who will set the stage for you and I, our kids, and our grandkids. Any ethical allegation should be investigated to the truthful conclusion and if found to be "guilty" they should be expelled from office.

ConHog
02-06-2012, 08:09 PM
Because he's a crook. By admitting wrongdoing it is very plausible that he avoided a different bone being dug up.

I personally believe that all pols, including Ron Paul, are a bit crooked. The system virtually requires it. In my own opinion a politician should be held to a higher standard. These are the people who will set the stage for you and I, our kids, and our grandkids. Any ethical allegation should be investigated to the truthful conclusion and if found to be "guilty" they should be expelled from office.

I agree with that. Politicians should be removed from office and barred from holding any office ever again if found guilty of committing a crime or ethical violation while in office.

Little-Acorn
02-06-2012, 08:36 PM
And if this article is telling the truth?

pegwinn
02-06-2012, 08:45 PM
If the article is 100% factually correct,
If Gingrich is 100% blameless,

He still failed since he admitted guilt. Even if innocent, his guilty plea means that he caved in under the pressure. I do not want the guy with mushroom cloud power to be the sort that caves in under pressure.

BTW, I freely admit that my subjective judgement of politicians is rational only to me. A large part of it is from evaluating them by the standards we hold our military leaders to. That may not be fair on my part since many of them simply don't have the background or training afforded to the .mil. But, since they wish to assume the mantle of Commander in Chief, they have to step up.

LuvRPgrl
02-06-2012, 10:18 PM
If the article is 100% factually correct,
If Gingrich is 100% blameless,

He still failed since he admitted guilt. Even if innocent, his guilty plea means that he caved in under the pressure. I do not want the guy with mushroom cloud power to be the sort that caves in under pressure.

BTW, I freely admit that my subjective judgement of politicians is rational only to me. A large part of it is from evaluating them by the standards we hold our military leaders to. That may not be fair on my part since many of them simply don't have the background or training afforded to the .mil. But, since they wish to assume the mantle of Commander in Chief, they have to step up.

Sometimes it is prudent for an innocent person to "admit guilt".
In politics, perception by the public is everything, truth is nothing. By caving , he did damage control, it was actualy quite smart on his part.

Noir
02-06-2012, 10:36 PM
This may of been discussed in other topics and whatnot i don't know, but i overheard the other day that Gingrich served divorce papers on his wife when she was in hospital recovering from cancer treatment...sensationalised, false, or a sick truth?

LuvRPgrl
02-06-2012, 11:17 PM
This may of been discussed in other topics and whatnot i don't know, but i overheard the other day that Gingrich served divorce papers on his wife when she was in hospital recovering from cancer treatment...sensationalised, false, or a sick truth?



even if it is true, what makes you so certain its sick?

DragonStryk72
02-06-2012, 11:25 PM
This may of been discussed in other topics and whatnot i don't know, but i overheard the other day that Gingrich served divorce papers on his wife when she was in hospital recovering from cancer treatment...sensationalised, false, or a sick truth?

And the good time to serve your wife divorce papers would be?

Noir
02-06-2012, 11:37 PM
even if it is true, what makes you so certain its sick?

I'm certain, because its what i think of it. If you don't think its sick, fair enough, but to me it is.


And the good time to serve your wife divorce papers would be?

Just because there is no good time, doesn't mean that there are no times that are worse than others.

Also, the serving of said papers was (i heard) because he was cheating on his wife. But if both you guys dunno about it then i guess the chances of it being true ain't so good.

Little-Acorn
02-07-2012, 01:45 AM
This may of been discussed in other topics and whatnot i don't know, but i overheard the other day that Gingrich served divorce papers on his wife when she was in hospital recovering from cancer treatment...sensationalised, false, or a sick truth?

Google is your friend.

DragonStryk72
02-07-2012, 07:46 AM
I'm certain, because its what i think of it. If you don't think its sick, fair enough, but to me it is.



Just because there is no good time, doesn't mean that there are no times that are worse than others.

Also, the serving of said papers was (i heard) because he was cheating on his wife. But if both you guys dunno about it then i guess the chances of it being true ain't so good.

Yeah, but it takes time for divorce papers to get served, Noir, which means that he likely had them drawn up and sent before she went in for treatment, making more bad timing on the part of the postal service than anything else.

pegwinn
02-07-2012, 11:01 PM
Sometimes it is prudent for an innocent person to "admit guilt".
In politics, perception by the public is everything, truth is nothing. By caving , he did damage control, it was actualy quite smart on his part.

I get that. But, I still don't respect him for it. Expediency is not a good excuse for character flaws.

Just my two cents.

avatar4321
02-08-2012, 01:48 AM
He doesnt have to break the law to be unethical.

My issues with his corruptions and lack of ethics dont really have much to do with his time as Speaker, but in the years afterwards.

It's sad, because i like Newt for the most part. He just isnt someone I can trust. And he is a progressive with alot of baggage.

LuvRPgrl
02-09-2012, 03:58 PM
I'm certain, because its what i think of it. If you don't think its sick, fair enough, but to me it is.



Just because there is no good time, doesn't mean that there are no times that are worse than others.

Also, the serving of said papers was (i heard) because he was cheating on his wife. But if both you guys dunno about it then i guess the chances of it being true ain't so good.

without knowing the woman involved, its impossible for you to determine if she deserved it or not, not to mention alot of the legalities.

LuvRPgrl
02-09-2012, 04:01 PM
I get that. But, I still don't respect him for it. Expediency is not a good excuse for character flaws.

Just my two cents.

I suppose that comes down to what you want, a candidate with character, or one that is electable. These days, a politician who sticks by his principles come hell or high water, will never get elected. With the TV now being the most used method for a majority of voters, its all about perception, rather than what the person actually stands for.

pegwinn
02-09-2012, 09:52 PM
I suppose that comes down to what you want, a candidate with character, or one that is electable. These days, a politician who sticks by his principles come hell or high water, will never get elected. With the TV now being the most used method for a majority of voters, its all about perception, rather than what the person actually stands for.
Hell of a thing aint it?

LuvRPgrl
02-11-2012, 04:35 PM
Hell of a thing aint it?

yea, quite pathetic, even if some politician doesnt say anything wrong, the opposistion will take their stuff out of context and accuse them of saying things they , in fact, didnt.
Then the same people who buy into that crap cuz they are too freaking lazy to do any reading, are the ones bitching there are no good candidates and it would be nice if we had one who would be open and honest.