Saw a clip of Ronald Reagan last night

[Abbey Marie]

This is from a speech he gave during the 1980 election period. And with impeccable delivery. Love it!


With respect to the economy, Reagan quipped, "I'm told I can't use the word depression. Well, I'll tell you the definition. A recession is when your neighbor loses his job; depression is when you lose your job. Recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his

[nevadamedic]

This is from a speech he gave during the 1980 election period. And with impeccable delivery. Love it!

Priceless.:clap:

[Joe Steel]

Reagan had an immense talent for saying stupid things.

[nevadamedic]

Reagan had an immense talent for saying stupid things.

Just like you. :pee:

[Mr. P]

Reagan had an immense talent for saying stupid things.

Yea these are stupid.
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Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall!
Ronald Reagan

Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have.
Ronald Reagan

Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty.
Ronald Reagan

How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
Ronald Reagan

Man is not free unless government is limited.
Ronald Reagan

[Abbey Marie]

Truly outstanding. Nice find, Mr. P. :clap:


How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
Ronald Reagan

[Joe Steel]

Yea these are stupid.
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Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall!
Ronald Reagan

Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have.
Ronald Reagan

Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty.
Ronald Reagan

How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
Ronald Reagan

Man is not free unless government is limited.
Ronald Reagan


Thanks for the examples.

[Guernicaa]

FDR was a better president.

Reagan wasn't bad...but he wasn't as good as FDR.

[nevadamedic]

FDR was a better president.

Reagan wasn't bad...but he wasn't as good as FDR.

FDR was a waste

[Yurt]

This is from a speech he gave during the 1980 election period. And with impeccable delivery. Love it!

Brilliant! Love Mr P's find too:


How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
Ronald Reagan


We need another president like this. We had Bush who simplified things after snake oil clinton, but now we need someone who can talk straight and make a quick point. This is the TV age. And it makes a huge difference. Right or wrong. But we need a president who will stand up and talk down the crazy lefties or the other wackos, like mooslims....

[-Cp]

FDR was a better president.


How?

[Joe Steel]

How?

The government of the United States was created to do things. See the Preamble. FDR made it fulfill its obligations.

[musicman]

The government of the United States was created to do things. See the Preamble. FDR made it fulfill its obligations.

"The ten most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you' ". - Ronald Reagan

[Joe Steel]

"The ten most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you' ". - Ronald Reagan

Appropriate for a Reagan fan, you got it wrong.

Reagan said: "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

He was wrong, too.

[Lightning Waltz]

Other great quotes:

"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do."

"For 18 months now, we have had under way
a secret diplomatic initiative to Iran.
That initative was undertaken for the
simplest and best reasons: to renew a
relationship with the nation of Iran;
to bring a honorable end to the bloddy
six-year war between Iran and Iraq;
to eliminate state-spondored terrorism
and subversion, and to effect the safe
return of all hostages...
Durning the course of our secret discussions,
I authorized the transfer of small amounts
of defensive weapons and spare parts for
defensive systems to Iran....These modest
deliveries, taken together could easily
fit into a single cargo plane....
We did not--repeat--did not trade weapons
or anything else for hostages, nor will we."

"Facts are stupid things."

"We have never interfered in the internal government
of a country and have no intention of doing so,
never have had any thought of that kind."

And, of course...

"Catsup is a vegetable"...

[OCA]

FDR was a better president.

Reagan wasn't bad...but he wasn't as good as FDR.

FDR was a good war president but he ruined America socially, SS being his major fuckup, the guy was a socialist at heart.

[Joe Steel]

FDR was a good war president but he ruined America socially, SS being his major fuckup, the guy was a socialist at heart.

Social Security is the best program of all time. It's what makes FDR the greatest president.

[Mr. P]

Social Security is the best program of all time. ....

Hardly. With increasing retirees and decreasing wage earners the system will fail without unacceptable tax increases. Unlike an IRA or 401K etc, there is no investment of SS money I am aware of. The system sucks!

[Doniston]

I'm bored so I decided to check out this thread. It was a mistake, and a total waste of time. (as was reagan- he wasn't the president. --Nancy was)

[musicman]

Appropriate for a Reagan fan, you got it wrong.

Reagan said: "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

GREAT CATCH, Joe! That just changes the whole meaning of the sentence. Thank God you've come along!


He was wrong, too.

Your thoughtful, thorough, and well-reasoned refutations are just blowing us out of the water here, Joe. Let us up, will you?

[musicman]

"For 18 months now, we have had under way
a secret diplomatic initiative to Iran.
That initative was undertaken for the
simplest and best reasons: to renew a
relationship with the nation of Iran;
to bring a honorable end to the bloddy
six-year war between Iran and Iraq;
to eliminate state-spondored terrorism
and subversion, and to effect the safe
return of all hostages...
Durning the course of our secret discussions,
I authorized the transfer of small amounts
of defensive weapons and spare parts for
defensive systems to Iran....These modest
deliveries, taken together could easily
fit into a single cargo plane....
We did not--repeat--did not trade weapons
or anything else for hostages, nor will we."

Ah - you have broached one of my favorite topics: Iran-Contra. Do you understand these events in any depth - or do you content yourself with the modern-day leftist approach? You know the one I mean: the "scandal" is spoken of in hushed, but very general terms. Since you obviously hate Ronald Reagan, I suspect you opt for the latter.

There's a reason the left do not like to go into Iran-Contra in any depth. The Democrats come out of any thorough, well-reasoned exploration of the topic looking like the shitty little traitors they are. President Reagan did the right thing.

[musicman]

I'm bored so I decided to check out this thread. It was a mistake, and a total waste of time. (as was reagan- he wasn't the president. --Nancy was)

Wow. Devastating.

[nevadamedic]

I'm bored so I decided to check out this thread. It was a mistake, and a total waste of time. (as was reagan- he wasn't the president. --Nancy was)

:lame2:

[nevadamedic]

Wow. Devastating.

:clap:

[Doniston]

:lame2: But true.

[nevadamedic]

But true.

Far from the truth.

[musicman]

But true.

And, so finely crafted - so thoroughly researched - such inescapably logical conclusions. "Reagan bad". Oh, the devastation; I don't know if we shall ever recover! Our hero is dashed to pieces; our illusions in shambles!

[Joe Steel]

GREAT CATCH, Joe! That just changes the whole meaning of the sentence. Thank God you've come along!

Facts matter.

Of course being an "Associated Press Writer," that might not matter to you. You guys seem to have only a passing interest in facts.

[5stringJeff]

Social Security is the best program of all time.

OMG ROTFLMFAO!!!1!!1!!!one!!1`

[Joe Steel]

Hardly. With increasing retirees and decreasing wage earners the system will fail without unacceptable tax increases. Unlike an IRA or 401K etc, there is no investment of SS money I am aware of. The system sucks!

Nonsense. Even if the absolute very worst happened, SS could be fixed with a mere 1.9 point increase in the FICA tax. That's virtually nothing.

[musicman]

Facts matter.

Of course being an "Associated Press Writer," that might not matter to you. You guys seem to have only a passing interest in facts.

Joe. What the hell are you talking about? Clarify, please.

[nevadamedic]

Joe. What the hell are you talking about? Clarify, please.

He doesn't even know what the hell he is talking about.

[musicman]

Wait a minute; I think I've got it. I (properly, I thought) attributed my sig to AP writer Patrick Condon - basically copying and pasting the top of the article as I found it. But, if there exists the potential for confusion, I'll fix it.

[Mr. P]

Nonsense. Even if the absolute very worst happened, SS could be fixed with a mere 1.9 point increase in the FICA tax. That's virtually nothing.

Bullshit! Show me the numbers. 1.9% increase on a growing deficit and decreasing tax base is like pissin in the wind.

[Nuc]

Here is a guy who unfortunately suffered from Alzheimer's while he was on the job and had enough corrupt people around him to cover it up. It's nothing to be proud of.

[Lightning Waltz]

Ah - you have broached one of my favorite topics: Iran-Contra. Do you understand these events in any depth - or do you content yourself with the modern-day leftist approach? You know the one I mean: the "scandal" is spoken of in hushed, but very general terms. Since you obviously hate Ronald Reagan, I suspect you opt for the latter.

There's a reason the left do not like to go into Iran-Contra in any depth. The Democrats come out of any thorough, well-reasoned exploration of the topic looking like the shitty little traitors they are. President Reagan did the right thing.

You like calling people "traitors", don't you? I bet you do it a lot.

[JLO]

This is from a speech he gave during the 1980 election period. And with impeccable delivery. Love it!

Regan is among the greatest!:salute:

[nevadamedic]

Regan is among the greatest!:salute:

Finally some intelligent life in here.

[musicman]

I've encountered the same phenomenon, in several different conversations, on two different boards. Some Reagan-hater tries to drop a shit bomb by making a dim, half-baked reference to Iran-Contra. I try to engage him in a discussion by pointing out that, 1) there's a reason his knowledge of the topic is dim and half-baked, and, 2) that reason is that our cultural masters in academia and the fourth estate understand ALL TOO WELL what a frank, open appraisal of Iran-Contra would do to the image of the Democrat Party.

Upon EVERY OCCASION that I have done so, the reply I've received has resembled this:


You like calling people "traitors", don't you? I bet you do it a lot.

And this is one of the more SUBSTANTIVE replies! What's the matter, children - am I hitting a nerve?

[nevadamedic]

I've encountered the same phenomenon, in several different conversations, on two different boards. Some Reagan-hater tries to drop a shit bomb by making a dim, half-baked reference to Iran-Contra. I try to engage him in a discussion by pointing out that, 1) there's a reason his knowledge of the topic is dim and half-baked, and, 2) that reason is that our cultural masters in academia and the fourth estate understand ALL TOO WELL what a frank, open appraisal of Iran-Contra would do to the image of the Democrat Party.

Upon EVERY OCCASION that I have done so, the reply I've received has resembled this:



And this is one of the more SUBSTANTIVE replies! What's the matter, children - am I hitting a nerve?

:clap:

[musicman]

Here is a guy who unfortunately suffered from Alzheimer's while he was on the job and had enough corrupt people around him to cover it up. It's nothing to be proud of.

Baseless, hateful, and irresponsible. Beneath you, Nuc. You ought to be ashamed.

[OCA]

Social Security is the best program of all time. It's what makes FDR the greatest president.


Social Security is a fucking joke, what is it about 0.5 % interest at best on that money? I know I know, its so benevolent to give seniors 500 bucks a month to live on seeing as they could never invest their own money more wisely.

Your post qualifies as top 10 stupidest of all time.

[OCA]

If Demos had their way back when Iran-Contra was taking shape their would still be 30 some odd hostages rotting in the Bekaa Valley, Lebanon. Demos didn't give a shit about those hostages, just about some stupid ass law passed by congress.

[Joe Steel]

Wait a minute; I think I've got it. I (properly, I thought) attributed my sig to AP writer Patrick Condon - basically copying and pasting the top of the article as I found it. But, if there exists the potential for confusion, I'll fix it.

I saw the signature and thought you were Condon.

I've never heard of Condon so I didn't know if that would be unlikely in this forum.

I apologize for any confusion.

[Joe Steel]

Social Security is a fucking joke, what is it about 0.5 % interest at best on that money? I know I know, its so benevolent to give seniors 500 bucks a month to live on seeing as they could never invest their own money more wisely.

Your post qualifies as top 10 stupidest of all time.

Then the other nine must be your's.

Social Security is not an investment program. Certainly, you must have heard that before. How many times do we have to tell you? Just listen.

It's an insurance program.

Pay a premium and get a benefit. That's how insurance works. Benefits don't necessarily deliver high returns. Instead, they are attractive because they're reliable. Beneficiaries know they're going to get them. Backed as it is by the full faith and credit of the United States, SS benefits are the ideal foundation of a solid retirement financing program.

[musicman]

I saw the signature and thought you were Condon.

I've never heard of Condon so I didn't know if that would be unlikely in this forum.

I apologize for any confusion.

No sweat, Joe. I went ahead and rearranged my sig; maybe the way I had it was somewhat ambiguous.

[Mr. P]

Then the other nine must be your's.

Social Security is not an investment program. Certainly, you must have heard that before. How many times do we have to tell you? Just listen.

It's an insurance program.

Pay a premium and get a benefit. That's how insurance works. Benefits don't necessarily deliver high returns. Instead, they are attractive because they're reliable. Beneficiaries know they're going to get them. Backed as it is by the full faith and credit of the United States, SS benefits are the ideal foundation of a solid retirement financing program.

Benefits are not protected under current law. The Supreme Court has ruled that Congress can end Social Security benefits at any time. In Flemming v. Nestor (1960), the high court decided that Americans have no property right to their Social Security benefits.

Doesn't seem like an ideal solid foundation for retirement to me.

[Joe Steel]

Benefits are not protected under current law. The Supreme Court has ruled that Congress can end Social Security benefits at any time. In Flemming v. Nestor (1960), the high court decided that Americans have no property right to their Social Security benefits.

Doesn't seem like an ideal solid foundation for retirement to me.

Nevertheless, no politician will support default on SS benefits. They're as secure as any financial asset.

[Mr. P]

Nevertheless, no politician will support default on SS benefits. They're as secure as any financial asset.

There is nothing secure about an asset the Congress controls. IMO

[Joe Steel]

There is nothing secure about an asset the Congress controls. IMO

Ultimately, Congress controls everything. They might as easily invalidate a private contract such as corporate bond as deny someone SS benefits.

[Mr. P]

Ultimately, Congress controls everything. They might as easily invalidate a private contract such as corporate bond as deny someone SS benefits.

Ultimately? They'd love that if it were true, but it's not.

[Joe Steel]

Ultimately? They'd love that if it were true, but it's not.

Nonsense. Of course it's true. Congress controls everything. If they want to invalidated a bond obligation, they'd just pass a law.

[Mr. P]

Nonsense. Of course it's true. Congress controls everything. If they want to invalidated a bond obligation, they'd just pass a law.

Government bonds or private?

[Hagbard Celine]

http://www.gawker.com/images/2006/05/20060511bushpoo.jpg


Truly outstanding. Nice find, Mr. P. :clap:

:poke:

[Joe Steel]

Government bonds or private?

Both.

[5stringJeff]

Nonsense. Of course it's true. Congress controls everything. If they want to invalidated a bond obligation, they'd just pass a law.

Congress does not control everything. For example, Congress is, in theory at least, limited in what they can spend money on. Congress cannot change the form of government.

While you seem to want the government to tightly control everything, that isn't the case. Thank God.

[Abbey Marie]

Hagbard:
You know that Mr. P's quote had nothing to do with that childish picture. Misleading people who may not have read the whole thread is uncalled for, and a man of integrity would delete it.

[Mr. P]

Both.

That dog won't hunt, pal. They can impose regulatory law which is overseen by the SEC but no way can the revoke private bonds which are within the law. If they tried to do so they'd have their head handed to em.

[Joe Steel]

That dog won't hunt, pal. They can impose regulatory law which is overseen by the SEC but no way can the revoke private bonds which are within the law. If they tried to do so they'd have their head handed to em.

Maybe. Maybe not. That would depend on the political mood of the country. If the people wanted bond obligations cancelled, any Representative or Senator who didn't cooperate would have his head handed to him.

[Joe Steel]

Congress does not control everything. For example, Congress is, in theory at least, limited in what they can spend money on. Congress cannot change the form of government.

While you seem to want the government to tightly control everything, that isn't the case. Thank God.

What would you consider a change in the form of government?

[5stringJeff]

What would you consider a change in the form of government?

The Constitution guarantees a republican (small r) form of government. Congress cannot change that.

[Joe Steel]

The Constitution guarantees a republican (small r) form of government. Congress cannot change that.

Perhaps but that's not really the point. As far as legislating on other than fundamental constitutional issues, congress can do pretty much whatever it wants to do.

[Hugh Lincoln]

Best Reagan line, Re: Russia:

The bombing begins in five minutes.

[Abbey Marie]

More Reagan, this time being quite prescient:

"I don't think you can overstate the importance that the rise of Islamic fundamentalism will have to the rest of the world in the century ahead-especially if, as seems possible, its most fanatical elements get their hands on nuclear and chemical weapons and the means to deliver them against their enemies." --Ronald Reagan

[Hobbit]

I swear, y'all need a warning on this thread not to drink while reading. Every time I read a post by Steel attempting to defend SS, I nearly spewed on my keyboard. SS is nothing but a ponzi scheme.

[Joe Steel]

I swear, y'all need a warning on this thread not to drink while reading. Every time I read a post by Steel attempting to defend SS, I nearly spewed on my keyboard. SS is nothing but a ponzi scheme.

Using the phrase "Ponzi scheme" to describe SS is a desperate attempt to poison the debate. No one ever said it was an investment or anything but a redistribution of income. It's not a "scheme" because no one is representing it as anything but what it is.