Army unleashes "shock and awe" on S. Jersey

[gabosaurus]

http://www.attytood.com/2007/05/breaking_news_us_f16s_unleash_1.html

http://blog.nj.com/ledgerupdates/2007/05/flare_from_fighter_jet_blamed.html


A massive wildfire that has already burned thousands of acres in the Pinelands and forced the evacuation of residents in two towns likely started this afternoon when an F-16 fighter jet dropped flares as part of a maneuver over a gunnery range, New Jersey National Guard officials said tonight.

The fire, fueled by dry conditions and gusty winds, has already consumed more than 12,000 acres, almost 19 square miles, along the border of Ocean and Burlington counties. Several highways were closed and as many as 2,000 homes in Stafford and Barnegat townships, including several retirement communities, had been evacuated.

[darin]

The army doesn't fly F16s

[Samantha]

The army doesn't fly F16s
Well that settles that. It didn't happen.

[darin]

Well that settles that. It didn't happen.

Here ya go baby...if you get stuck on any words, try www.hop.com :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_force

[Nukeman]

http://www.attytood.com/2007/05/breaking_news_us_f16s_unleash_1.html

http://blog.nj.com/ledgerupdates/2007/05/flare_from_fighter_jet_blamed.html
So just exactly what the hell is your point. The flares were dropped over a "GUNNERY" range. You know one of those places the jets practice...

I personally think if the US military caused this it is very good of them to be willing to pay for any damage or loss of property.

What exactly is your problem...

[Samantha]

So just exactly what the hell is your point. The flares were dropped over a "GUNNERY" range. You know one of those places the jets practice...

I personally think if the US military caused this it is very good of them to be willing to pay for any damage or loss of property.

What exactly is your problem...
OK so the US military can pay for the loss or damage. That means WE have to pay for the loss or damage because WE pay for the military. You think there's any left after the TRILLION DOLLARS we are spending in Iraq?

You righties love spending our tax dollars doncha?

[darin]

OK so the US military can pay for the loss or damage. That means WE have to pay for the loss or damage because WE pay for the military. You think there's any left after the TRILLION DOLLARS we are spending in Iraq?

You righties love spending our tax dollars doncha?

Would you prefer the Military 'not' train?

[Monkeybone]

read your post gabs, it says Air force....

plus they are taking care of it, not like they siad "my bad" and then ignored it

[Samantha]

Would you prefer the Military 'not' train?Training isn't what cost us a trillion dollars.

[darin]

Training isn't what cost us a trillion dollars.

Right - But you said "We are spending trillions, and now THIS!?" (paraphrased). I'm saying the cost of fighting a war, and preparing for war is expensive. Get over it. :)

[Samantha]

Enjoy your ban

[TheStripey1]

http://www.attytood.com/2007/05/breaking_news_us_f16s_unleash_1.html

http://blog.nj.com/ledgerupdates/2007/05/flare_from_fighter_jet_blamed.html

It was the air national guard. And gabby? It wasn't shock and awe either. It was a flare. The munitions most often used in Shock and Awe were bunker buster bombs. Their effects are quite a bit different than those of a mere flare.

However, I do consider it pretty damn bush* to have dropped those flares over a tinder dry forest. What were they thinking?

:dance:

* my new word for incompetent...

[Monkeybone]

it was on their gunnery range, but i would like to know why they have trees on agunnery range. or did he drop the flare over the range and it drift enoiugh?

[Nukeman]

OK so the US military can pay for the loss or damage. That means WE have to pay for the loss or damage because WE pay for the military. You think there's any left after the TRILLION DOLLARS we are spending in Iraq?

You righties love spending our tax dollars doncha?
I would much prefer to pay for an honost mistake in the training of our armed forces then the waste of money spent on subidizing certain farms and a huge amount of these entitlement programs that are pushed through by the Dems so they can get a vote from the "poor man".

Just so you know we also pay for every moron out there in Cali who starts a fire and dont forget every jackass that builds in huricane areas we also subsidize thier insurance premiums so they can afford to live there.

there is a lot of waste in government but when it comes to military traaining I dont feel that is waste at all. As for them owning up to and paying for mistakes that is the price of having the greatest military in the world..

[TheStripey1]

it was on their gunnery range, but i would like to know why they have trees on agunnery range. or did he drop the flare over the range and it drift enoiugh?

Dunno... but I imagine there will be an inquiry.

and obtw, this is the same gunnery range that had that jet strafe an elementary school a few years back...

[gabosaurus]

So did the military do a study on whether the area might be prone to flash fires, or did they just drop incendiary bombs without worrying about it? There is a difference between training and stupidity.

And why should anyone stress out over neg reps? Reps are meaningless. :cool:

[Dilloduck]

So did the military do a study on whether the area might be prone to flash fires, or did they just drop incendiary bombs without worrying about it? There is a difference between training and stupidity.

And why should anyone stress out over neg reps? Reps are meaningless. :cool:

I assume you'll also be starting a thread on civilian fuck ups just to keep things fair and balanced ? :poke:

[Monkeybone]

i did not know that Stripey. but then again what is wrong for buzzing some building every now and then.

flare gabs..a flare. not an incendiary bomb.

[Dilloduck]

i did not know that Stripey. but then again what is wrong for buzzing some building every now and then.

flare gabs..a flare. not an incendiary bomb.

Gabs likes to exagerrate for effect. :laugh2:

[Hobbit]

Just for comparison, this is a picture of several dozen flares going off at once.

http://www.militaryaviation.de/assets/images/c17flare.jpg

...and this is an incendiary bomb.

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/231056/2/istockphoto_231056_explosion.jpg

Hmmmmm, I don't think they're the same thing, myself.

[Monkeybone]

i don't know hobbit.....there was smoke and light coming from both.........

[Gaffer]

Haven't heard any more on it, but most likely the flare drifted with the wind and started a fire away from the firing range. Flares do that.

[darin]

So did the military do a study on whether the area might be prone to flash fires, or did they just drop incendiary bombs without worrying about it? There is a difference between training and stupidity.





Much Smarter People than you (or me, for that matter) get paid good money to assess risks associated with training. Libs LOVE - they SALIVATE (I've seen it happen) ANY TIME anybody associated with the Military is (gasp!) wrong, or something else happens. You want blood? Maybe we demand a Study to explain why more soldiers died in training accidents in the last few years of the Clinton Presidency, than have died during the Iraq war?

[avatar4321]

it was on their gunnery range, but i would like to know why they have trees on agunnery range. or did he drop the flare over the range and it drift enoiugh?

it was pretty windy that day...