The Great Thanksgiving Hoax

[Little-Acorn]

http://mises.org/daily/336

The Great Thanksgiving Hoax

Mises Daily:

[revelarts]

Good post , One thing that's glanced over in this description is that EACH Family was GIVEN a plot of land. This is also in the Bible. I've mentioned this a few times on the board where it has received no response. The fact is they didn't start from Zero, pull them selves up from their invisible boot straps. They each had a land GRANT. That part of the equation cannot be honestly or lightly overlooked. Capitalism sure, but capitalism began when everyone had SOMETHING to capitalize on. And that something was a gift. EVERYONE got one. In the Pilgrims case, and in the case of the early Israelites. And added to that the Bible says that the land could be sold if desired BUT in 50 years the land reverted back to the original families so that no one person/small group would end up with a monopoly of land ownership. Add to that economic landscape the fact that money was NEVER to loaned with interest. Today's bankers would have a heart attack with both of those policies.

[fj1200]

... the Bible says that the land could be sold if desired BUT in 50 years the land reverted back to the original families so that...

So we should have reverted the land back to the Indians Native Americans about 8 times by now? That's just silly plus it leaves the original family as the true holder of wealth as a basic reality of economics is that excess profits accrue to the landowner.

[revelarts]

So we should have reverted the land back to the Indians Native Americans about 8 times by now? That's just silly plus it leaves the original family as the true holder of wealth as a basic reality of economics is that excess profits accrue to the landowner.
hmm turning land back to Native Americans, that's a novel concept. but silly? really? the original families don't own a state just a small farm or ranch. Excess profits to the land owner? Well if EVERYONE has land then EVERYONE will have excess profits, great!

[fj1200]

hmm turning land back to Native Americans, that's a novel concept. but silly? really? the original families don't own a state just a small farm or ranch. Excess profits to the land owner? Well if EVERYONE has land then EVERYONE will have excess profits, great!

Yes, silly... 8 times over. Besides, not all land is equal, whoever has the best land becomes the new 1%.

[revelarts]

Yes, silly... 8 times over. Besides, not all land is equal, whoever has the best land becomes the new 1%.
Even if they did become the new 1% which I don't think is a given. At least the other 99% would own something that they could sustain themselves with. Have a home and land owned OUTRIGHT tax free. homelessness would be less than %1 and houseing would be at near %100 percent.

the policies are much better than what we have at present. AND it assumes that you have to produce for yourself from what you have.

[fj1200]

Your assumptions are all wrong. Besides when a new family comes about are you going to take land from those who have and distribute to those who don't?

[ConHog]

Your assumptions are all wrong. Besides when a new family comes about are you going to take land from those who have and distribute to those who don't?

That of course sounds great if you're one of the ones without. :laugh:


I ain't redistributing my 300 to anyone.

[Little-Acorn]

Keep in mind the original subject of the thread.

It's good to remember, in addition to the (eventual) hard work and perseverance of the first settlers and the gracious help of the Indians they met, that the founding of the America we know today started with a realization that socialist ideas didn't work and were, in fact, destructive. The agenda of putting everything you produced into a common pool for all, and drawing out only what you needed, resulted directly in reduced effort and sloth; which resulted in turn, in shortages and famine.

And remember that America truly got started with the rejection of such ideas and agendas, and a change of course to the ideas of rugged individualism, mutual VOLUNTARY charity, and ownership of private property for one's own direct benefit.

Only when those principles were adopted and practiced, did prosperity begin to come.

[revelarts]

Keep in mind the original subject of the thread.

It's good to remember, in addition to the (eventual) hard work and perseverance of the first settlers and the gracious help of the Indians they met, that the founding of the America we know today started with a realization that socialist ideas didn't work and were, in fact, destructive. The agenda of putting everything you produced into a common pool for all, and drawing out only what you needed, resulted directly in reduced effort and sloth; which resulted in turn, in shortages and famine.

And remember that America truly got started with the rejection of such ideas and agendas, and a change of course to the ideas of rugged individualism, mutual VOLUNTARY charity, and ownership of private property for one's own direct benefit.

Only when those principles were adopted and practiced, did prosperity begin to come.

And don't forget the land grant.

[fj1200]

And don't forget the land grant.

And it's a wonderful thing when the land is returned to its original grantees every 50 years... oh wait.