The True Story of Thanksgiving

[red states rule]

This is the TRUE story of Thanksgiving that needs to be taught in history classes across Ameica





"After eleven years, about forty of them agreed to make a perilous journey to the New World, where they would certainly face hardships, but could live and worship God according to the dictates of their own consciences. On August 1, 1620, the Mayflower set sail. It carried a total of 102 passengers, including forty Pilgrims led by William Bradford. On the journey, Bradford set up an agreement, a contract, that established just and equal laws for all members of the new community, irrespective of their religious beliefs. Where did the revolutionary ideas expressed in the Mayflower Compact come from? From the Bible. The Pilgrims were a people completely steeped in the lessons of the Old and New Testaments. They looked to the ancient Israelites for their example.
"And, because of the biblical precedents set forth in Scripture, they never doubted that their experiment would work. But this was no pleasure cruise, friends. The journey to the New World was a long and arduous one. And when the Pilgrims landed in New England in November, they found, according to Bradford's detailed journal, a cold, barren, desolate wilderness. There were no friends to greet them, he wrote. There were no houses to shelter them. There were no inns where they could refresh themselves. And the sacrifice they had made for freedom was just beginning. During the first winter, half the Pilgrims – including Bradford's own wife – died of either starvation, sickness or exposure. When spring finally came, Indians taught the settlers how to plant corn, fish for cod and skin beavers for coats.

"Life improved for the Pilgrims, but they did not yet prosper! This is important to understand because this is where modern American history lessons often end. Thanksgiving is actually explained in some textbooks as a holiday for which the Pilgrims gave thanks to the Indians for saving their lives, rather than as a devout expression of gratitude grounded in the tradition of both the Old and New Testaments. Here is the part that has been omitted: The original contract the Pilgrims had entered into with their merchant-sponsors in London called for everything they produced to go into a common store, and each member of the community was entitled to one common share. All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belonged to the community as well. They were going to distribute it equally. All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belonged to the community as well.

"Nobody owned anything. They just had a share in it. It was a commune, folks. It was the forerunner to the communes we saw in the '60s and '70s out in California – and it was complete with organic vegetables, by the way." There's no question they were organic vegetables. "Bradford, who had become the new governor of the colony, recognized that this form of collectivism was as costly and destructive to the Pilgrims as that first harsh winter, which had taken so many lives. He decided to take bold action. Bradford assigned a plot of land to each family to work and manage, thus turning loose the power of the marketplace. That's right. Long before Karl Marx was even born, the Pilgrims had discovered and experimented with what could only be described as socialism. And what happened? It didn't work!" They nearly starved!

"It never has worked! What Bradford and his community found was that the most creative and industrious people had no incentive to work any harder than anyone else, unless they could utilize the power of personal motivation! But while most of the rest of the world has been experimenting with socialism for well over a hundred years – trying to refine it, perfect it, and re-invent it – the Pilgrims decided early on to scrap it permanently. What Bradford wrote about this social experiment should be in every schoolchild's history lesson. If it were, we might prevent much needless suffering in the future," such as that we're enduring now. "'The experience that we had in this common course and condition...'" this is Bradford. "'The experience that we had in this common course and condition tried sundry years...that by taking away property, and bringing community into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing – as if they were wiser than God,' Bradford wrote.

"'For this community [so far as it was] was found to breed much confusion and discontent, and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For young men that were most able and fit for labor and service did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children without any recompense,'" without being paid for it, "'that was thought injustice.' Why should you work for other people when you can't work for yourself?" That's what he was saying. " The Pilgrims found that people could not be expected to do their best work without incentive. So what did Bradford's community try next? They unharnessed the power of good old free enterprise by invoking the undergirding capitalistic principle of private property.

"Every family was assigned its own plot of land to work and permitted to market its own crops and products. And what was the result? 'This had very good success,' wrote Bradford, 'for it made all hands industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been.' ... Is it possible that supply-side economics could have existed before the 1980s? Yes. Read the story of Joseph and Pharaoh in Genesis 41. Following Joseph's suggestion (Gen 41:34), Pharaoh reduced the tax on Egyptians to 20% during the 'seven years of plenty' and the 'Earth brought forth in heaps.' (Gen. 41:47) In no time, the Pilgrims found they had more food than they could eat themselves.

"Now, this is where it gets really good, folks, if you're laboring under the misconception that I was, as I was taught in school. So they set up trading posts and exchanged goods with the Indians. The profits allowed them to pay off their debts to the merchants in London. And the success and prosperity of the Plymouth settlement attracted more Europeans and began what came to be known as the 'Great Puritan Migration.' But this story stops when the Indians taught the newly arrived suffering-in-socialism Pilgrims how to plant corn and fish for cod. That's where the original Thanksgiving story stops, and the story basically doesn't even begin there. The real story of Thanksgiving is William Bradford giving thanks to God for the guidance and the inspiration to set up a thriving colony. The bounty was shared with the Indians." They did sit down" and they did have free-range turkey and organic vegetables, "but it was not the Indians who saved the day. It was capitalism and Scripture which saved the day," as acknowledged by George Washington in his first Thanksgiving Proclamation in 1789.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2010/11/24/the_true_story_of_thanksgiving3

[Gunny]

A good story. Too bad so many don't want anything to do with this paltry common sense and logic.

[Kathianne]

Michael Medved has a wonderful Thanksgiving program he's repeated for several years. All of the above and other journals are included. I think it's 3 hours and I listen to it while dinner is cooking, whether here or somewhere else. LOL!

[Abbey Marie]

Wonderful story and post!

I often say that socialism could never work because human nature is what it is. This quote from the article shows that well:


"For young men that were most able and fit for labor and service did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children without any recompense,'" without being paid for it,...'"

[Gunny]

Wonderful story and post!

I often say that socialism could never work because human nature is what it is. This quote from the article shows that well:

I've said the same for years. There is no incentive to excel when no matter how hard or long you work, you get the same as the slug next door.

[Abbey Marie]

I've said the same for years. There is no incentive to excel when no matter how hard or long you work, you get the same as the slug next door.

To that point, check out Red's latest OWS video if you haven't already. Re: The protestor's "work week" compared to the guy debating him. Almost makes you want to move to a country where you don't have to support lazy slackers with your tax dollars.
If there is one.

[red states rule]

As usual Rush tells the real story behind the holiday, and it is a simple story

Socialism has never worked, never will work, and that message is more improtant now then ever before

Happy Thanksgiving to all BTW!!

[Wind Song]

HAPPY NATIVE AMERICAN GENOCIDE DAY


You probably didn’t know that the Europeans who arrived in America discovered a peaceful people with no weapons, only to turn around and give them diseases and make them slaves,only to name a few. It was really bad. You probably didn’t know that the Wampanoag people, the beautiful and honorable native tribe that Thanksgiving is supposed to celebrate our cooperation with, were actually exploited until they all died.



There really is a TRUE Thanksgiving story of Plymouth Plantation. But I strongly suggest that there always has been a Thanksgiving story of some kind or other for as long as there have been human beings. There was also
a "First" Thanksgiving in America, but it was celebrated thirty thousand years ago. At some time during the New Stone Age (beginning about ten thousand years ago) Thanksgiving became associated with giving thanks to God
for the harvests of the land. Thanksgiving has always been a time of people coming together, so thanks has also been offered for that gift of fellowship between us all. Every last Thursday in November we now partake in one of the
OLDEST and most UNIVERSAL of human celebrations, and THERE ARE MANY THANKSGIVING STORIES TO TELL. As for Thanksgiving week at Plymouth Plantation in 1621, the friendship was guarded and not always sincere,
and the peace was very soon abused. But for three days in New England's history, peace and friendship were there.

http://www.ewebtribe.com/NACulture/articles/thanksgiving.html

[Gunny]

To that point, check out Red's latest OWS video if you haven't already. Re: The protestor's "work week" compared to the guy debating him. Almost makes you want to move to a country where you don't have to support lazy slackers with your tax dollars.
If there is one.

You need to think a little more militantly, Abbey. I MORE THAN willing to move THEM to another country. :laugh:

There are plenty out there that are EXACTLY what they are whining for. However, true to chickensh*t form, they don't have the stones to actually go somewhere and/or move. That defies their basic tenet of being slugs. It would require some motivation, dedication and *gasp* work.

Why go through all that when they can just obstruct traffic and everyone else's lives and demand what they haven't earned?

These OWS clowns are PERFECT examples of the OP. They have NO incentive to excel. They don't even have enough personal integrity to pay back money they borrowed. Not paying it back isn't half as bad as the mindset they possess that it is perfectly okay not to.

[Wind Song]

This may surprise those people who wonder what Native Americans think of this official U.S. celebration of the survival of early arrivals in a European invasion that culminated in the death of 10 to 30 million native people.

Thanksgiving to me has never been about Pilgrims. When I was six, my mother, a woman of the Dineh nation, told my sister and me not to sing "Land of the Pilgrim's pride" in "America the Beautiful." Our people, she said, had been here much longer and taken much better care of the land. We were to sing "Land of the Indian's pride" instead.

I was proud to sing the new lyrics in school, but I sang softly. It was enough for me to know the difference. At six, I felt I had learned something very important. As a child of a Native American family, you are part of a very select group of survivors, and I learned that my family possessed some "inside" knowledge of what really happened when those poor, tired masses came to our homes.

When the Pilgrims came to Plymouth Rock, they were poor and hungry -- half of them died within a few months from disease and hunger. When Squanto, a Wampanoag man, found them, they were in a pitiful state. He spoke English, having traveled to Europe, and took pity on them. Their English crops had failed. The native people fed them through the winter and taught them how to grow their food.
These were not merely "friendly Indians." They had already experienced European slave traders raiding their villages for a hundred years or so, and they were wary -- but it was their way to give freely to those who had nothing. Among many of our peoples, showing that you can give without holding back is the way to earn respect. Among the Dakota, my father's people, they say, when asked to give, "Are we not Dakota and alive?" It was believed that by giving there would be enough for all -- the exact opposite of the system we live in now, which is based on selling, not giving.

To the Pilgrims, and most English and European peoples, the Wampanoags were heathens, and of the Devil. They saw Squanto not as an equal but as an instrument of their God to help his chosen people, themselves.
Since that initial sharing, Native American food has spread around the world. Nearly 70 percent of all crops grown today were originally cultivated by Native American peoples. I sometimes wonder what they ate in Europe before they met us. Spaghetti without tomatoes? Meat and potatoes without potatoes? And at the "first Thanksgiving" the Wampanoags provided most of the food -- and signed a treaty granting Pilgrims the right to the land at Plymouth, the real reason for the first Thanksgiving.

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What did the Europeans give in return? Within 20 years European disease and treachery had decimated the Wampanoags. Most diseases then came from animals that Europeans had domesticated. Cowpox from cows led to smallpox, one of the great killers of our people, spread through gifts of blankets used by infected Europeans. Some estimate that diseases accounted for a death toll reaching 90 percent in some Native American communities. By 1623, Mather the elder, a Pilgrim leader, was giving thanks to his God for destroying the heathen savages to make way "for a better growth," meaning his people.

In stories told by the Dakota people, an evil person always keeps his or her heart in a secret place separate from the body. The hero must find that secret place and destroy the heart in order to stop the evil.

I see, in the "First Thanksgiving" story, a hidden Pilgrim heart. The story of that heart is the real tale than needs to be told. What did it hold? Bigotry, hatred, greed, self-righteousness? We have seen the evil that it caused in the 350 years since. Genocide, environmental devastation, poverty, world wars, racism.


Where is the hero who will destroy that heart of evil? I believe it must be each of us. Indeed, when I give thanks this Thursday and I cook my native food, I will be thinking of this hidden heart and how my ancestors survived the evil it caused.

Because if we can survive, with our ability to share and to give intact, then the evil and the good will that met that Thanksgiving day in the land of the Wampanoag will have come full circle.
And the healing can begin.

Jacqueline Keeler, a member of the Dineh Nation and the Yankton Dakota Sioux works with the American Indian Child Resource Center in Oakland, California. Her work has appeared in Winds of Change, an American Indian journal. </REPLACE>
http://www.purewatergazette.net/nativeamericanthanksgiving.htm

[Gunny]

HAPPY NATIVE AMERICAN GENOCIDE DAY

You probably didn’t know that the Europeans who arrived in America discovered a peaceful people with no weapons, only to turn around and give them diseases and make them slaves,only to name a few. It was really bad. You probably didn’t know that the Wampanoag people, the beautiful and honorable native tribe that Thanksgiving is supposed to celebrate our cooperation with, were actually exploited until they all died.


HAPPY NATIVE AMERICAN GENOCIDE DAY


You probably didn’t know that the Europeans who arrived in America discovered a peaceful people with no weapons, only to turn around and give them diseases and make them slaves,only to name a few. It was really bad. You probably didn’t know that the Wampanoag people, the beautiful and honorable native tribe that Thanksgiving is supposed to celebrate our cooperation with, were actually exploited until they all died.



There really is a TRUE Thanksgiving story of Plymouth Plantation. But I strongly suggest that there always has been a Thanksgiving story of some kind or other for as long as there have been human beings. There was also
a "First" Thanksgiving in America, but it was celebrated thirty thousand years ago. At some time during the New Stone Age (beginning about ten thousand years ago) Thanksgiving became associated with giving thanks to God
for the harvests of the land. Thanksgiving has always been a time of people coming together, so thanks has also been offered for that gift of fellowship between us all. Every last Thursday in November we now partake in one of the
OLDEST and most UNIVERSAL of human celebrations, and THERE ARE MANY THANKSGIVING STORIES TO TELL. As for Thanksgiving week at Plymouth Plantation in 1621, the friendship was guarded and not always sincere,
and the peace was very soon abused. But for three days in New England's history, peace and friendship were there.

http://www.ewebtribe.com/NACulture/articles/thanksgiving.html

You're not going to start this depressing BS of yours HERE.

And your history sucks. Euoropeans most certainly did NOT find some peaceful, beautiful society. They found societIES that made a living warring on anyone not of their own tribe. Try selling the apologista, revisiionist crap elsewhere.

[revelarts]

Good post Red, One thing that Rush glances over in this description is that EACH Family was GIVEN a plot of land. This is also in the Bible. I've mentioned this a few times on the board where it has received no response. The fact is they didn't start from Zero, pull them selves up from their invisible boot straps. They each had a land GRANT. That part of the equation cannot be honestly or lightly overlooked. Capitalism sure, but capitalism begins when everyone has SOMETHING to capitalize on. And that something was a gift. EVERYONE got one. In the Pilgrims case, and in the case of the early Israelites. And added to that the Bible says that the land could be sold if desired BUT in 50 years the land reverted back to the original families so that no one person/small group would end up with a monopoly of land ownership. Add to that economic landscape the fact that money was NEVER to loaned with interest. Today's bankers would have a heart attack with both of those policies.

[Wind Song]

We should at the very least acknowledge the Thanksgiving story is a heavy one for native americans. United American Indians of New England (http://www.uaine.org/) established Thanksgiving as its National Day of Mourning in 1970. <Q>http://0.tqn.com/d/racerelations/1/G/O/-/-/-/thanksgivingkids.jpg</Q>
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[Nukeman]

We should at the very least acknowledge the Thanksgiving story is a heavy one for native americans. United American Indians of New England (http://www.uaine.org/) established Thanksgiving as its National Day of Mourning in 1970. <Q>http://0.tqn.com/d/racerelations/1/G/O/-/-/-/thanksgivingkids.jpg</Q>
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Its funny how you and those like you pick one tribe to attemtp to say ALL native Americans were peacful. You are soo wrong. just look at a brief history of the Powhatan Indians. They were constantly fighting

[Wind Song]

Its funny how you and those like you pick one tribe to attemtp to say ALL native Americans were peacful. You are soo wrong. just look at a brief history of the Powhatan Indians. They were constantly fighting

What do you expect? We came over here to take their land away from them. We took their land and their culture. We committed genocide.

[Nukeman]

What do you expect? We came over here to take their land away from them. We took their land and their culture. We committed genocide.And this was something NEW in history?? this has occured THROUGHOUT the known world and NOW its has to be rewritten for the US... YOU know what, shit happens, in a more enlightend world you can second guess everything but at the time you had uneducated people making a subsistance living and trying to just make it 35-40 and you fault EVERYONE in the US today for things done 500 years ago.. WOW talk about being an idiot!! It happend, move on, quit dwelling in the past, and make the future BETTER...

Can you fix what happened??? NO!!! Can you change what happend??? NO!! So why don't you go volunteer on an Indian reservation and help those that are left?? Or are you just one of those appologist that like to point fingers and say how bad everyone else is???

[Wind Song]

And this was something NEW in history?? this has occured THROUGHOUT the known world and NOW its has to be rewritten for the US... YOU know what, shit happens, in a more enlightend world you can second guess everything but at the time you had uneducated people making a subsistance living and trying to just make it 35-40 and you fault EVERYONE in the US today for things done 500 years ago.. WOW talk about being an idiot!! It happend, move on, quit dwelling in the past, and make the future BETTER...

Can you fix what happened??? NO!!! Can you change what happend??? NO!! So why don't you go volunteer on an Indian reservation and help those that are left?? Or are you just one of those appologist that like to point fingers and say how bad everyone else is???

No need to get hysterical. Some of us celebrate this holiday differently. Consciously.

[Nukeman]

No need to get hysterical. Some of us celebrate this holiday differently. Consciously.Ohh enlighted one.. we all bow down to your "consciously" observation of genocide.

You know for MOST people the holiday is about giving thanks for thier family and friends NOT the first Thanks Giving" YOU and your ilk are muck rakers attempting to bash and tell the world how horrible the US is. "look how it got its start, in genocide and conquest". This happened to EVERY country in the world why is it such a point of contention with you and your brethren????

[Wind Song]

Ohh enlighted one.. we all bow down to your "consciously" observation of genocide.

You know for MOST people the holiday is about giving thanks for thier family and friends NOT the first Thanks Giving" YOU and your ilk are muck rakers attempting to bash and tell the world how horrible the US is. "look how it got its start, in genocide and conquest". This happened to EVERY country in the world why is it such a point of contention with you and your brethren????

We tell the truth in our household.

[MtnBiker]

I do business on an Native American reservation with native americans and am there about 3 times a week. The truth is the agency I deal with was preparing for a Thanksgiving feast of about 150 people for this thursday.

[revelarts]

It's an Interesting Phenom,

this either or history thing.
"your trying to blame" vs "we take pride in".

in general American's, like most other nations, like to ignore our darker past. But we are happy to celebrate and REMEMBER all the things we are proud of.
can't we just be fairly honest. and still celebrate.
I use to have a German Boss, One day in the quiet office a radio ad came on about a holocaust memorial program that was going to happen locally. after the ad was over my German boss said softly, "I wish they would stop talking about that." He was not Anti Semitic, he wasn't old enough to have anything to do with the Nazi's, his parents didn't either. But his sense of Pride as German was hurt by the mention of the Holocaust. that day I got the clearer view into the reaction of many Americans to the very mention of the slaughter and oppression of the native american and Blacks.
Somehow we Americans don't want to think of ourselves as anything but good. and sometimes lash out at anyone who mentions darker bits of our history. Asking others ineffect "not to mention it". while trumpeting the parts of history we like year after year. Upset at those who many times simply would like a acknowledgement of their history as well.

It's interesting that people get personally defensive but then ask others to get over it. I've been there. Not sure it's the best reaction.

[Gunny]

We should at the very least acknowledge the Thanksgiving story is a heavy one for native americans. United American Indians of New England (http://www.uaine.org/) established Thanksgiving as its National Day of Mourning in 1970. <q>http://0.tqn.com/d/racerelations/1/G/O/-/-/-/thanksgivingkids.jpg</q>
<script type="text/javascript">zSB(1,2);if(zs<3){gEI('sp2').className=gEI('sb2').className='hide ';}</script>Will you celebrate Thanksgiving this year? If so, ask yourself just what you’re celebrating—family, food, football? Whether you choose to rejoice or mourn on Thanksgiving, initiate discussions about the holiday’s origins by not just focusing on the Pilgrims’ point of view but also on what the day meant for the Wampanoag and what it continues to signify for American Indians today.<!--/gc-->



Why? They were looking to make a deal, same as any capitalist.

[ConHog]

HAPPY NATIVE AMERICAN GENOCIDE DAY

You probably didn’t know that the Europeans who arrived in America discovered a peaceful people with no weapons, only to turn around and give them diseases and make them slaves,only to name a few. It was really bad. You probably didn’t know that the Wampanoag people, the beautiful and honorable native tribe that Thanksgiving is supposed to celebrate our cooperation with, were actually exploited until they all died.

Oh, this is wonderful, you want to argue history? The Native Americans were NOT peaceful as a group. Did we do them right? No, but you're painting them as innocents isn't right either.

[Gunny]

Oh, this is wonderful, you want to argue history? The Native Americans were NOT peaceful as a group. Did we do them right? No, but you're painting them as innocents isn't right either.

No shit. Nothing innocent about a warrior sitting atop his pony dressed for war.

[Thunderknuckles]

HAPPY NATIVE AMERICAN GENOCIDE DAY

You probably didn’t know that the Europeans who arrived in America discovered a peaceful people with no weapons...
I'll be the first to admit that the traditional Thanksgiving history lesson is biased and flowered in favor of Europeans. But what you posted is the same on the opposite end. Native Americans were very much armed and just as prone to violence and war as any other culture. And like all cultures, they primarily fought over the same thing: Resources. They engaged in guerrilla warfare with one another. They enslaved, tortured, and killed each other for sport and to win the favor of their gods. Their great nations and empires rivaled the Europeans in scale but they were technologically too inferior to survive the clash of cultures and the rest is history.

[Abbey Marie]

No need to get hysterical. Some of us celebrate this holiday differently. Consciously.

If anyone has been exploited and plundered, it's the turkey you will be eating.

[revelarts]

I'll be the first to admit that the traditional Thanksgiving history lesson is biased and flowered in favor of Europeans. But what you posted is the same on the opposite end. Native Americans were very much armed and just as prone to violence and war as any other culture. And like all cultures, they primarily fought over the same thing: Resources. They engaged in guerrilla warfare with one another. They enslaved, tortured, and killed each other for sport and to win the favor of their gods. Their great nations and empires rivaled the Europeans in scale but they were technologically too inferior to survive the clash of cultures and the rest is history.
But the fact they also enslaved tortured and killed is 500 year old news get over it, why not forget about that and just think of the peaceful Indians? Or the Good Europeans, whatever works for you i guess.
:rolleyes:

the conversations got way to much heat for history.

Fact is all our sick and wonderful tribes of men came from Adam and we need to give each other a break.
What??! you got a problem with Adam too?!?

[Thunderknuckles]

But the fact they also enslaved tortured and killed is 500 year old news get over it, why not forget about that and just think of the peaceful Indians? Or the Good Europeans, whatever works for you i guess.
:rolleyes:

the conversations got way to much heat for history.

Fact is all our sick and wonderful tribes of men came from Adam and we need to give each other a break.
What??! you got a problem with Adam too?!?
Adam was a good and holy man. All was well in the land of creation until a pair of tits and ass showed up :p

[Gunny]

If anyone has been exploited and plundered, it's the turkey you will be eating.

LMAO! Alas, I can't rep you again, but I owe you one.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[ConHog]

No shit. Nothing innocent about a warrior sitting atop his pony dressed for war.

I'm just hoping Sky wants to argue American history with me. Maybe she's smart enough to realize she's outgunned though.

[Gunny]

I'm just hoping Sky wants to argue American history with me. Maybe she's smart enough to realize she's outgunned though.

I'll argue American history with you. THAT might be a challenge. She couldn't argue history with an amoeba.

[red states rule]

What do you expect? We came over here to take their land away from them. We took their land and their culture. We committed genocide.

If you feel that way, please start packing and I will send a decendent of a true Native American over to take possession of your property next week

[red states rule]

No need to get hysterical. Some of us celebrate this holiday differently. Consciously.

Libs bellow this crap every Thanksgiving. Their guilt kicks in and they lecture us how unfair Americ ais, how we have too much, and we do not share our wealth

As the Thanksgiving meal is cooking, the liberal media feature the so called "poor" in America, how Americans over eat at Thanksgiving, how the consume such unhealthy food, and of course how cooking these huge meals contributes to global warming.

Why is it, liberals are so sad when they see the rest of Ameerica so happy?

[Abbey Marie]

Libs bellow this crap every Thanksgiving. Their guilt kicks in and they lecture us how unfair Americ ais, how we have too much, and we do not share our wealth

As the Thanksgiving meal is cooking, the liberal media feature the so called "poor" in America, how Americans over eat at Thanksgiving, how the consume such unhealthy food, and of course how cooking these huge meals contributes to global warming.

Why is it, liberals are so sad when they see the rest of Ameerica so happy?

I suspect that libs won't stop until every Judeo-Christian tradition we have is ruined/altered to fit their agenda.
See: Marriage, Christmas, Thanksgiving.
At some point, the only holidays we will be allowed to celebrate guilt-free will be Earth Day and May Day.

[ConHog]

I'll argue American history with you. THAT might be a challenge. She couldn't argue history with an amoeba.

I wonder if Mrs Libby has cracked a history book since yesterday and realized that the mass killing of the so called indians didn't begin until almost 150 years AFTER the first Thanksgiving. The early settlers actually got along quite well with the reds.

[red states rule]

I suspect that libs won't stop until every Judeo-Christian tradition we have is ruined/altered to fit their agenda.
See: Marriage, Christmas, Thanksgiving.
At some point, the only holidays we will be allowed to celebrate guilt-free will be Earth Day and May Day.

Even on Earth Day and May Day libs will still fell guilty. there will still be people on Earth pumping C02 into the atmosphere; and damn capitalists taking advantage of May Day

But I always show my support for Earth Day by driving around with my muffler off and keeping the A/C set on "Artic Blast" during the summer