Al Qaeda Groups Says It Has Captured U.S. Soldiers After Deadly Attack

[Pale Rider]

Al Qaeda Groups Says It Has Captured U.S. Soldiers After Deadly Attack


Sunday, May 13, 2007


BAGHDAD — About 4,000 U.S. soldiers searched Sunday for three Americans who were missing after their patrol came under attack in an explosion that killed four of their comrades and an Iraqi army translator.

The Islamic State in Iraq, an Al Qaeda front group, said it had captured several soldiers in the attack, but offered no proof to back up its claim, posted on an Islamic Web site.

Meanwhile, two bombings — one in northern Iraq and another at a market in Baghdad — killed at least 67 Iraqis.

The search for the missing Americans began after insurgents attacked a patrol of seven U.S. soldiers and an Iraqi interpreter before dawn Saturday near Mahmoudiya.

The U.S. military said Saturday that five people were dead and three were missing.

The attack that left several U.S. troops dead took place at 4:44 am local time, FOX News has learned. The attack was confirmed when an unmanned aerial vehicle similar to a drone saw two vehicles burning at the troops' location. A quick reaction force was immediately called, and support troops were on the scene within 40 minutes.

Caldwell said the bodies of the three slain soldiers and the Iraqi interpreter had been identified, but the military was still working to identify the fifth.

"Everybody is fully engaged, the commanders are intimately focused on this, every asset we have from national assets to tactical assets ... are being used ... to locate these three missing soldiers," Caldwell said.

Caldwell confirmed to Fox News that the attack "took place at a stationary observation post," and was not caused by an improvised explosive device as first reported. They were 12 miles west of Mahmoudiyah when attacked.

"We have sent down a Stryker Battalion to help conduct search and clear operations along with other manned and unmanned aerial systems," General Raymond T. Odierno, head of operations in Iraq, told FOX News.

"We have dispatched FBI forensic specialists as well as trained tracking dogs. We have and sent additional interrogation and Humint [human] intelligence teams to assist in the questioning of hundreds of Iraqi citizens. We are doing everything we can to find these courageous and dedicated soldiers."

Mahmoudiya is about 20 miles south of Baghdad in an Al Qaeda-dominated area known as the "triangle of death." Two U.S. soldiers were massacred there last year after they disappeared at a checkpoint.

President Bush has been getting regular updates on the missing soldiers, Gordon Johndroe, a spokesman for the White House's National Security Council, said in Washington.

Meanwhile, a suicide truck bomber crashed into the offices of a Kurdish political party, killing at least 50 people, including the police chief, and wounding scores, officials said. It was the second suicide attack in Kurdish areas of the north in four days.

The suicide truck bombing in Makhmur, 30 miles south of Irbil, badly damaged the office of the Kurdistan Democratic Party of Massoud Barzani, leader of the autonomous Kurdish region in northern Iraq. Makhmur is just south of the autonomous Kurdish-controlled areas, but it has a substantial Kurdish population.

The blast also killed the police chief and damaged the mayor's office, officials said.

Ziryan Othman, the health minister of the Kurdish regional government, said at least 50 people were killed and 115 were wounded, including the city's mayor.

Cars were charred and crushed by the blast, with some flipped over. The tires of one appeared to have been incinerated. Most of the small KDP building appeared to have been destroyed, reduced to a pile of bricks. Other buildings had walls blown out.

A group of people hurriedly pulled a body from a demolished car.

Outside the hospital in Irbil, security guards closed the hospital to visitors and read a list containing the names of the wounded who had been admitted.

Hearing the names of his son and daughter, Qassim Amin, 61, a Kurd, thanked God that they had not been killed. Both are employees at the KDP party office, he said.

"Makhmur is an open, peaceful area, and Al Qaeda is trying to destabilize it by causing fighting between Arabs and Kurds," Amin said.

In Baghdad, a parked car exploded near the popular Sadriyah market, killing at least 17 people and wounding 46, police said. The area has been hit by several blasts usually blamed on suspected Sunni insurgents, including a car bombing on April 18 that killed 127 people.

AP Television News footage showed a crater in the ground filled with debris, splintered wood, metal and a tire. A white truck appeared to be crumpled by the blast.

With violence on the rise, Caldwell also announced that an additional 3,000 forces have been sent to Diyala province, scene of heavy fighting.

Last week, the top U.S. commander in the north, Maj. Gen. Benjamin Mixon, said the U.S. didn't have enough troops to restore order in Diyala but more had been promised.

"There is a recognition clearly that up in Diyala there has been an uptick in the violence," Caldwell said at a news conference in Baghdad.

On Sunday, Iraqi gunmen drove into the Diyala capital of Baqouba, pulled two handcuffed men out of the trunk and shot them to death — one in view of a bustling market and the other near a movie theater, police and witnesses said.

"This is the destiny of traitors," the gunmen yelled as they shot their victims.

Three other civilians also were killed execution-style in a market in the city center, police said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,271878,00.html

[Pale Rider]

Surge or not... this shit will never cease. Never. The sooner we realize that the better.

We ought to pull out completely. Let the whole damn terrorist nation take the place over, then drop about twenty A-bombs in there and kill them all.

[LiberalNation]

Yeah that would go over well. Kill a bunch of innocents, piss off the world, piss of Iraqs neighbors if the nuclear fall out reaches them. Two of whom have nukes, increase muslim radicalism throughout the world to a fever pitch (they'll all wana kill us then) become a terrorist state ourselves, ect. Real bright idea there. Yep les jus nukem all.

[Pale Rider]

Yeah that would go over well. Kill a bunch of innocents, piss off the world, piss of Iraqs neighbors if the nuclear fall out reaches them. Two of whom have nukes, increase muslim radicalism throughout the world to a fever pitch (they'll all wana kill us then) become a terrorist state ourselves, ect. Real bright idea there. Yep les jus nukem all.

Relax LN, you're frothing at the mouth again. The suggestion was my own idea/fantasy. I know we'd never do anything like that. It's just what I'd "LIKE" to do.

What's your suggestion, other than simply "pull out?" We can't do that alone. The mess WILL follow us here.

[LiberalNation]

I know, that seems to be quite a few peoples "idea" tho.

My suggestion, pull out. They will be to busy fighting each other to want to fight us for awile and after that and they have a gov. established re-evaluate the situation.

[Pale Rider]

I know, that seems to be quite a few peoples "idea" tho.

My suggestion, pull out. They will be to busy fighting each other to want to fight us for awile and after that and they have a gov. established re-evaluate the situation.

They won't have a government LN. The country will be ruled by blood and death at the hands of terrorists.

I agree let them kill each other, but, they also want to kill us, and they will.

[LiberalNation]

Most of those fighting and killing are Iraqis. Once we leave I'd betcha a strong man would come along, take control, and set up a government. I doubt it would be anarchy. Not to mention other countries, Iran & Saudi Arabia have interests there. It would keep them occupied vieing to put their group in power too.

[Dilloduck]

Most of those fighting and killing are Iraqis. Once we leave I'd betcha a strong man would come along, take control, and set up a government. I doubt it would be anarchy. Not to mention other countries, Iran & Saudi Arabia have interests there. It would keep them occupied vieing to put their group in power too.

Please read Bin Ladens declaration of war and tell me where it says that if we leave Iraq it will all stop.



http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html

[Pale Rider]

Most of those fighting and killing are Iraqis. Once we leave I'd betcha a strong man would come along, take control, and set up a government. I doubt it would be anarchy. Not to mention other countries, Iran & Saudi Arabia have interests there. It would keep them occupied vieing to put their group in power too.

I totally disagree. The terrorist WANT anarchy, and it isn't going to matter who's army is in there, the killing will continue. The terrorist want and need a place to hang out, train, and what better place to claim than a country right under their nose with no way to defend itself... apparently... and the third richest in the world for oil? Iraq. It'll become a killing field, probably for eons to come. That seems to be pretty much all those people know.

[LiberalNation]

Lots of those guys in Iraq aren't Bin Ladens guys.

[Dilloduck]

Lots of those guys in Iraq aren't Bin Ladens guys.

and lots are and leaving Iraq will make them bolder, more powerful and make recuiting more of them easier. Your denial will assuredly come back an bite you in the ass. The Ft. Dix six weren't "bin ladens guys" either. Guess that makes em OK ? :cuckoo:

[Pale Rider]

Lots of those guys in Iraq aren't Bin Ladens guys.

True. A lot of them are from Iran. But, there's so many terrorist groups it's hard to list them all. But note the one common factor, they all deal with radical islam and jihad. That's jihad against you and me, the infidels.

al Qaeda
Armed Islamic Group
Al-Jihad a.k.a. Egyptian Islamic Jihad, Jihad Group, Islamic Jihad
Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group, IG)
Abu Nidal organization (ANO)
Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK or MKO) a.k.a. The National Liberation Army of Iran (NLA, the militant wing of the MEK), the People's Mujahidin of Iran (PMOI), National Council of Resistance (NCR), Muslim Iranian Student's Society (front organization used to garner financial support).
Palestine Liberation Front
Asbat al-Ansar (The Partisans’ League)
Hezbollah (Party of God) a.k.a. Islamic Jihad, Revolutionary Justice Organization, Organization of the Oppressed on Earth, and Islamic Jihad for the Liberation of Palestine
HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement)
The Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
Harakat ul-Ansar (HUA)
Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)
Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM) (Army of Mohammed)
Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LT) (Army of the Righteous)
Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)

[Fountainhead]

Most of those fighting and killing are Iraqis. Once we leave I'd betcha a strong man would come along, take control, and set up a government. I doubt it would be anarchy. Not to mention other countries, Iran & Saudi Arabia have interests there. It would keep them occupied vieing to put their group in power too.

So you advocate the dysfunctional African-nation model of War Lords and/or mentally-ill dictators keeping "order" by oppressing their people.

Yah, that'll make the world a better place.

Nice comfy Americans like you can feel all warm and cozy cause we aren't "at war" anymore ... and once-again ... everyone will like us.

[avatar4321]

Our soldiers have been captured huh? Well I've seen the skills of our soldiers and I have no doubt that those Al Qaeda agents will soon be dead and our soldiers will be free again.

[nevadamedic]

Yea, that strong man will be either Osama or someone who supports him, we can not afford that at all. Actually I dont know if it would be Osama because that would mean he would have to come out from hiding in the cave he is in and quit humping the mountain goats he is so fond of.

[Kathianne]

Yea, that srong man will be either Bin Landen or someone who supports him, we can not afford that at all.

WHO are you responding to?

[Fountainhead]

Surge or not... this shit will never cease. Never. The sooner we realize that the better.



I have been very curious by the relative calm and quiet in Israel. It used to be near-daily stories of bus bombs, flafel-stand bombings, disco-bombings, pizza-parlor bombings, etc. etc.

Hamas captured ONE Israeli soldier, and Israel blew the holy shit out of southern Lebannon. The terrorist group of people known as "Palestinians" are in political disarray, and are losing international support. Israel has built a WALL to protect her people from the EVIL outside its gates ... and there has been VERY FEW stories of car-bombings, suicide bombers, and the like.

Why is this ?

Are all the brave nut-case Islamists drawn to Iraq to fight America and secure their own personal virgins ?

Do all the brave nut-case Islamists realize that Israel will respond with 7x7 more force than brought against them ?

Will America follow Israels model for responding to captured soldiers ?

Just Curious. What do you think Pale Rider ?

[Kathianne]

I have been very curious by the relative calm and quiet in Israel. It used to be near-daily stories of bus bombs, flafel-stand bombings, disco-bombings, pizza-parlor bombings, etc. etc.

Hamas captured ONE Israeli soldier, and Israel blew the holy shit out of southern Lebannon. The terrorist group of people known as "Palestinians" are in political disarray, and are losing international support. Israel has built a WALL to protect her people from the EVIL outside its gates ... and there has been VERY FEW stories of car-bombings, suicide bombers, and the like.

Why is this ?

Are all the brave nut-case Islamists drawn to Iraq to fight America and secure their own personal virgins ?

Do all the brave nut-case Islamists realize that Israel will respond with 7x7 more force than brought against them ?

Will America follow Israels model for responding to captured soldiers ?

Just Curious. What do you think Pale Rider ?

Fence and border patrols.

[Fountainhead]

Fence and border patrols.

So the GREEN ZONE fence is a little leaky ?

[Kathianne]

So the GREEN ZONE fence is a little leaky ?

I was speaking of Israel. You are speaking of Iraq.

[Fountainhead]

I was speaking of Israel. You are speaking of Iraq.

And I am trying to draw a comparison between HOW Israel responds to Terrorism -vs- how America is responding to Terrorism

What can we learn from Israel ?

Has the war in Iraq drawn the fight away from Israel ?

Is this a positive development for the Middle East ?

[LiberalNation]

Israel is also hated and without US international support they'd be screwed on the world stage. We don't want that for ourselves. Not to mention the more ruthless you are the more desperate they become and deeper the hatreds will go.

[Kathianne]

Israel is also hated and without US international support they'd be screwed on the world stage. We don't want that for ourselves. Not to mention the more ruthless you are the more desperate they become and deeper the hatreds will go.
Ok, so bomb Israel? Or let Israel be destroyed? What are you saying?

[LiberalNation]

WHat, I don't want Israel to be bombed or destroeyed. I just don't think it would be in our as in the US's best interests to act like them.

[Kathianne]

WHat, I don't want Israel to be bombed or destroeyed. I just don't think it would be in our as in the US's best interests to act like them.

Again, lack of quote to whom you are responding. With that said, 'How is Israel acting?'

[LiberalNation]

Well my post was right under yours so try an guess. You no you can read thru and no who's talking to who without everybody quoting.

Israel has been brutal in retalation for strikes against her warrented or unwarrented.

[Pale Rider]

Our soldiers have been captured huh? Well I've seen the skills of our soldiers and I have no doubt that those Al Qaeda agents will soon be dead and our soldiers will be free again.

I wish our soldiers had the ability to "blend in" just like the terrorists. ALL of them. Fight this war just as low down and dirty as them, instead of our guys walking around VERY easily identified. That's why I don't think we can win this war the way we're fighting it. We need a WHOLE NEW STRATOGY to deal with terrorists. Something wild, and totally off the wall. We need stratogists that will think OUTSIDE THE BOX.

[Pale Rider]

Just Curious. What do you think Pale Rider ?

OK... truthfully... I think we ought to get the fuck otta Iraq. Let those sons a bitches kill each other till the cows come home. With the money we'd save from not being over there getting our asses shot off, we could spend a little of that on Homeland Security. And if we ever did get hit again, find out who did it and go bomb the living shit out of them, THEN LEAVE! Leave their fucking country in ruins, and COME BACK HOME! Make that our pat response. Fuck with us, we'll bomb you into oblivion. Want some?

Seal up our borders and don't fuck around in other countries anymore. Not unless we have 100% of their support, money, and commitment, and an exit stratogy. I don't see China running it's ass around the world policing it. No. It just stays home, protects itself, and is growing and getting richer by the day staying out of the fray. But at the same time, everybody knows not to fuck with China. They know what they'll get. That's the way we should be.

[Fountainhead]

OK... truthfully... I think we ought to get the fuck otta Iraq. Let those sons a bitches kill each other till the cows come home. With the money we'd save from not being over there getting our asses shot off, we could spend a little of that on Homeland Security. And if we ever did get hit again, find out who did it and go bomb the living shit out of them, THEN LEAVE! Leave their fucking country in ruins, and COME BACK HOME! Make that our pat response. Fuck with us, we'll bomb you into oblivion. Want some?

Seal up our borders and don't fuck around in other countries anymore. Not unless we have 100% of their support, money, and commitment, and an exit stratogy. I don't see China running it's ass around the world policing it. No. It just stays home, protects itself, and is growing and getting richer by the day staying out of the fray. But at the same time, everybody knows not to fuck with China. They know what they'll get. That's the way we should be.

I feel as visceral about that crappy corner of the earth as you do. But the reality is that we cannot afford to leave such a strategic part of the world in Islamic chaos. America has very real economic and political interests in the middle east. I wish that we had a viable alternative energy and transportation solution, but we don't. So we need to maintain our role and responsibility in the region.

[Pale Rider]

I feel as visceral about that crappy corner of the earth as you do. But the reality is that we cannot afford to leave such a strategic part of the world in Islamic chaos. America has very real economic and political interests in the middle east. I wish that we had a viable alternative energy and transportation solution, but we don't. So we need to maintain our role and responsibility in the region.

In one word, your answer is about "OIL." I'm afraid that's the only reason we stay there. It isn't about who's fighting who, or bin laden, or al queda, etc.. Bush is a big oil man.

[Dilloduck]

In one word, your answer is about "OIL." I'm afraid that's the only reason we stay there. It isn't about who's fighting who, or bin laden, or al queda, etc.. Bush is a big oil man.

And he represents an entire county that is dependent on oil !!!!! We can't blame him for looking out for our needs. We're addicts and he's keeping us from a painful cold turkey.

[avatar4321]

WHat, I don't want Israel to be bombed or destroeyed. I just don't think it would be in our as in the US's best interests to act like them.

Its not in our best interest to defend ourself?

[LiberalNation]

Defend find. Indesciminitly kill using high fire power, in populated areas and killing innocents. Not such a good idea unless you want the next generation and the generation after that to hate and also try an kill you. People don't take kindly to watching their children, mothers, grandfathers killed, and do retailaite.

[Gaffer]

In one word, your answer is about "OIL." I'm afraid that's the only reason we stay there. It isn't about who's fighting who, or bin laden, or al queda, etc.. Bush is a big oil man.

It is about oil. But its about who controls the oil. We are there to prevent iran and al queda from controling the oil.

[Dilloduck]

The Islamic State in Iraq offered no proof for its claim that it was behind the attack Saturday in Mahmoudiya that also killed four U.S. soldiers and an Iraqi translator. But the Sunni area known as the "triangle of death" is a longtime al-Qaida stronghold.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070514/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq


AL QAIDA STRONGHOLD-------WHY WOULD WE RUN WHEN OUR ENEMY IS THERE ????????

[Pale Rider]

And he represents an entire county that is dependent on oil !!!!! We can't blame him for looking out for our needs. We're addicts and he's keeping us from a painful cold turkey.

But remember, the rest of the world needs that oil just as bad as we do, so many of these countries HATE us. So let them go in there and protect it then. What hurts us will hurt them just as bad if not worse if the oil flow is interupted.

[nevadamedic]

Defend find. Indesciminitly kill using high fire power, in populated areas and killing innocents. Not such a good idea unless you want the next generation and the generation after that to hate and also try an kill you. People don't take kindly to watching their children, mothers, grandfathers killed, and do retailaite.

Well I guess we could do it their way, we could fly some planes into buildings.:finger3:

[Pale Rider]

Well I guess we could do it their way, we could fly some planes into buildings.:finger3:

Aaaaww c'mon nm, taking into consideration all of us that they kill isn't something you expect liberals to do is it? :laugh2:

[LiberalNation]

Well I guess we could do it their way, we could fly some planes into buildings.:finger3:

The whole point is to not lower ourselves to their standards. The moral high ground and all that. If your gona say your the gold standard to the world, you should act like it.

[nevadamedic]

The whole point is to not lower ourselves to their standards. The moral high ground and all that. If your gona say your the gold standard to the world, you should act like it.

Ummm we didn't lower ourselves to their standards, we didn't fly planes into buildings, blow up embassy's or slaughter hostages. We did it the right way, we bombed them back to the stone age.

[nevadamedic]

LN it's ok, I understand your ignorance, you Liberal's think service to our country is getting topped off under a desk by an intern.

[theHawk]

Surge or not... this shit will never cease. Never. The sooner we realize that the better.

We ought to pull out completely. Let the whole damn terrorist nation take the place over, then drop about twenty A-bombs in there and kill them all.


I like that plan. But what will happen is we elect a Dim Prez and Congress and we get the pull out part, and with our open borders policy we'll be the ones dealing with nukes trucked in via the TTC.

[Abbey Marie]

Israel is also hated and without US international support they'd be screwed on the world stage. We don't want that for ourselves. Not to mention the more ruthless you are the more desperate they become and deeper the hatreds will go.

Do I read you right that you think Israel is hated for being ruthless? It goes back much further than any behavior you may be seeing as ruthless. If Israel was left to live in peace, do you think they would be aggressors? Arabs make no secret of the fact that they want Jews to cease to exist. Do you see Israelis acting or speaking in those terms?

[Abbey Marie]

LN it's ok, I understand your ignorance, you Liberal's think service to our country is getting topped off under a desk by an intern.

"Ask not what you can do for your intern, but what your intern can do for you". :salute:

[Pale Rider]

I like that plan. But what will happen is we elect a Dim Prez and Congress and we get the pull out part, and with our open borders policy we'll be the ones dealing with nukes trucked in via the TTC.

Do it. Then I hope the whole damn country finaly sees how well the defeatist attitude of the liberals works. I'm afraid that's what it will take Hawk. 9/11 wasn't enough.

[Pale Rider]

"Ask not what you can do for your intern, but what your intern can do for you". :salute:

Damn it Abbey... you made me choke up a perfectly good swallow of Pabst! :laugh2: I love your humor girl. Please never change!


You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Abbey again.

[theHawk]

Do I read you right that you think Israel is hated for being ruthless? It goes back much further than any behavior you may be seeing as ruthless. If Israel was left to live in peace, do you think they would be aggressors? Arabs make no secret of the fact that they want Jews to cease to exist. Do you see Israelis acting or speaking in those terms?

You're right, it does go back much further than anything we're seeing today. It goes back to when Israel was created on Arab lands by the abomination called the U.N.
It doesn't matter if Israelis want to be left alone and live in peace, the Palestinians and surrounding Arabs view it as land taken from them, and they are willing to fight/die for it.

[Gunny]

You're right, it does go back much further than anything we're seeing today. It goes back to when Israel was created on Arab lands by the abomination called the U.N.
It doesn't matter if Israelis want to be left alone and live in peace, the Palestinians and surrounding Arabs view it as land taken from them, and they are willing to fight/die for it.

Israel was created by the Balfour Agreement in 1924 out of land forfeit by the Ottoman Empire for being on the losing end of WWI. The land wasn't taken. They LOST it.

[nevadamedic]

It was just released on our local news that one of the 3 men captured is from my neck of the wood's about 10 miles from my house to be accurate. God Bless them and pray for a speedy return home. :salute:

[Kathianne]

You're right, it does go back much further than anything we're seeing today. It goes back to when Israel was created on Arab lands by the abomination called the U.N.
It doesn't matter if Israelis want to be left alone and live in peace, the Palestinians and surrounding Arabs view it as land taken from them, and they are willing to fight/die for it.

So, should Israel cease to exist, to make nice?

[theHawk]

Israel was created by the Balfour Agreement in 1924 out of land forfeit by the Ottoman Empire for being on the losing end of WWI. The land wasn't taken. They LOST it.

An agreement that no doubt the people in the area didn't agree with. The "legality" of the state of Israel is irrelivant, what matters is there are people willing to fight and die for it.

The Alamo was once "lost" too, doesn't mean Mexico has any right to it now because Mexico lost its will to continue fighting for it.

Until Palestinians are unwilling to fight for it, there will always be a war over the land, thats all I am saying.

[glockmail]

An agreement that no doubt the people in the area didn't agree with. The "legality" of the state of Israel is irrelivant, what matters is there are people willing to fight and die for it.

The Alamo was once "lost" too, doesn't mean Mexico has any right to it now because Mexico lost its will to continue fighting for it.

Until Palestinians are unwilling to fight for it, there will always be a war over the land, thats all I am saying. That's a good point, but since the UN ties the hands of the Isralies, they have not been able to do what has to be done, and kill enough of their enemy to make him realize he needs to reset his goals.

[Doniston]

So, should Israel cease to exist, to make nice?

In my opinion. no, but they should at least go back to the originally defined borders, and allow palastinians to return. That land should not be solely Israeli or palastinian but a dual ownership enterprise.

[Doniston]

That's a good point, but since the UN ties the hands of the Isralies, they have not been able to do what has to be done, and kill enough of their enemy to make him realize he needs to reset his goals. So you think the UN should relent and let Israel continue to murder the palastinians???--- GOOD PLAN-----"NOT"