Hey Rev ... what do you know about HAARP

[SassyLady]

Ever heard of Wormwood?

http://www.eutimes.net/2011/02/us-earthquake-weapon-test-fails-again-destroys-new-zealand-city/

(http://www.eutimes.net/2011/02/us-earthquake-weapon-test-fails-again-destroys-new-zealand-city/)

[Gaffer]

I guess the earthquake in Japan was the earthquake machine as well. I thought Bush only had a hurricane machine. I guess he turned all that stuff over to the dark one. That explains why it's mostly our allies experiencing earthquakes. I wonder if they got this stuff out of the Quibbler? ranks right up there with nargels and snortsnakles.

[SassyLady]

I was looking up "failed weapons test" when that popped up. Never heard of this one before so thought I'd see if anyone else had heard about this.

[Gaffer]

I heard a little about it when chevez first started ranting about it. But it didn't get much coverage. This is the first article that went into more detail. It's really funny. And I know there are people out there that really believe this stuff. I guess the states that don't follow the dark ones demands better watch out for earthquakes next year.

[revelarts]

Ever heard of Wormwood?

http://www.eutimes.net/2011/02/us-earthquake-weapon-test-fails-again-destroys-new-zealand-city/

(http://www.eutimes.net/2011/02/us-earthquake-weapon-test-fails-again-destroys-new-zealand-city/)

Yep, I've heard of that.
Chavez and some loose canon soviet leader both have said that the U.S. caused some of the big quakes over the past few years. They can never produce any proof of course. But they can make accusation because they know that the US has the tech to do it. The HARPP thing is real and it could do it, or several other really bad things.

When I 1st heard of this it sounded like SCi-Fi but I'm convinced the tech is possible and there's a working model in Alaska under US control. the thing that put me over the edge is that we --the US gov't-- signed a treaty in 1977 and in 1980 ratified it titled
"CONVENTION ON THE PROHIBITION OF MILITARY OR ANY OTHER HOSTILE USE OF ENVIRONMENTAL MODIFICATION TECHNIQUES"

article II states
"As used in Article I, the term "environmental modification techniques" refers to any technique for changing -- through the deliberate manipulation of natural processes -- the dynamics, composition or structure of the Earth, including its biota, lithosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere, or of outer space."

the addendum has an explianer which states
"Understanding Relating to Article II
It is the understanding of the Committee that the following examples are illustrative of phenomena that could be caused by the use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II of the Convention: earthquakes, tsunamis; an upset in the ecological balance of a region; changes in weather patterns (clouds, precipitation, cyclones of various types and tornadic storms); changes in climate patterns; changes in ocean currents; changes in the state of the ozone layer; and changes in the state of the ionosphere.

It is further understood that all the phenomena listed above, when produced by military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques, would result, or could reasonably be expected to result, in widespread, long-lasting or severe destruction, damage or injury. Thus, military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II, so as to cause those phenomena as a means of destruction, damage or injury to another State Party, would be prohibited.

It is recognized, moreover, that the list of examples set out above is not exhaustive. Other phenomena which could result from the use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II could also be appropriately included. The absence of such phenomena from the list does not in any way imply that the undertaking contained in Article I would not be applicable to those phenomena, provided the criteria set out in that article were met. "

http://www.fas.org/nuke/control/enmod/text/environ2.htm
http://www.un-documents.net/enmod.htm

That was 1980, 30 years ago.


Don't have a date for this quote but somehow the U.S. Airforce didn't get the memo because they wrote.
""[Weather modification] offers the war fighter a wide range of possible options to defeat or coerce an adversary... Weather modification will become a part of domestic and international security and could be done unilaterally… It could have offensive and defensive applications and even be used for deterrence purposes. The ability to generate precipitation, fog and storms on earth or to modify space weather… and the production of artificial weather all are a part of an integrated set of [military] technologies." (US Air Force document AF 2025 Final Report)"

From a interesting article on "climate change" here are a few quotes about the HAARP program.

""...In February 1998, however, the European Parliament's Committee on Foreign Affairs, Security and Defense Policy held public hearings in Brussels on the U.S based weather warfare facility developed under the HAARP program.

The Committee's "Motion for Resolution" submitted to the European Parliament:

"Considers HAARP.[The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program based in Alaska].. by virtue of its far-reaching impact on the environment to be a global concern and calls for its legal, ecological and ethical implications to be examined by an international independent body...; [the Committee] regrets the repeated refusal of the United States Administration... to give evidence to the public hearing ...into the environmental and public risks [of] the HAARP program." (European Parliament, Committee on Foreign Affairs, Security and Defense Policy, Brussels, doc. no. A4-0005/99, 14 January 1999)...."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=16413

From items I've picked up, HAARP may not be the ONLY method that might used to create earthquakes. Tesla over 100 years ago was said to have experimented with small mechanical resonance devices attached to building columns that, in 1 reported case, shook buildings for blocks in every direction with earthquake force.


Strange world huh?

But there's no good evidence that i know of that would point to the U.S. use of the weapon, testing or otherwise. though nearly every bad quake that comes along someone is blaming the U.S. gov't and the HARRP facility in Alaska. the big one In China I saw some accusations flying there to. The funny about that was they were near some nuke plants to I think. plenty of fuel for the conspiracy theorist files with that so called "strategic" placement.

[SassyLady]

So the agreement was signed 30 years ago ... how long has this HAARP been active?

And the agreement expressly forbids the military from creating this type of weapon .. an environmental weapon ... however, what if a government, or private entity, was experimenting and caused a problem. Would they be as severely punished?

At any rate, does it seem odd that we've had some really major quakes over the last few years, a couple of which have caused massive tsunamis? And, if it is located in Alaska how does it work in areas like Japan, New Zealand and Haiti? Does seem kinda "star wars" sci-fi ... like a giant ray gun that directs a frequency at a spot on earth and causes disruptions.

[revelarts]

Chloe posted some links a short time ago about the HARRP facility in Alaska.
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?26100-Beware-the-US-military’s-experiments-with-climatic-warfare&highlight=haarp
And another thread a loong time ago, that i can't find.

But if you go to Youtube, type in Haarp and earthquake you learn more than you ever wanted to know.

the Jesse Ventura Conspiracy Theory show did a piece on it and it's not a bad summery if you get by the chessy staging of the "investigation".

But the Haarp Radio towers Bounce High frequency radio waves off the Ionosphere back down to nearly any point on earth. The science says that those waves - at the right frequencies-- can cause quakes. the official line -I believe- is that they use it communicate with Navy Subs and experiments with the ionosphere.
And Yes there are more than one Around. the Russians have a couple and I believe a few other European countries.. I wouldn't be surprised if some private org hasn't put one together. seems all you'd need for the basic set up is some land a lot of towers and a lot of Juice i think.

[SassyLady]

Chloe posted some links a short time ago about the HARRP facility in Alaska.
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?26100-Beware-the-US-military’s-experiments-with-climatic-warfare&highlight=haarp
And another thread a loong time ago, that i can't find.

But if you go to Youtube, type in Haarp and earthquake you learn more than you ever wanted to know.

the Jesse Ventura Conspiracy Theory show did a piece on it and it's not a bad summery if you get by the chessy staging of the "investigation".

But the Haarp Radio towers Bounce High frequency radio waves off the Ionosphere back down to nearly any point on earth. The science says that those waves - at the right frequencies-- can cause quakes. the official line -I believe- is that they use it communicate with Navy Subs and experiments with the ionosphere.
And Yes there are more than one Around. the Russians have a couple and I believe a few other European countries.. I wouldn't be surprised if some private org hasn't put one together. seems all you'd need for the basic set up is some land a lot of towers and a lot of Juice i think.

Well, now I wish I hadn't asked. Thanks for the info ... guess I forgot or missed the earlier threads.

[Gaffer]

Is algore aware of this stuff?

[revelarts]

Bump
https://nypost.com/2024/05/11/lifestyle/the-crazy-ways-humans-are-trying-to-control-the-weather/

[NightTrain]

13 year necro.... I think that's a new record.

It's interesting to me how widespread the conspiracy theories are for weather control. It was a powerful storm that did a lot of damage, just like has always happened, but there's a LOT of people convinced that it was a manmade hurricane.

If weather control was a thing, Moscow, Bejing, Havana, Pyonyang and Baghdad would have been destroyed decades ago right about the time it's alleged to have been invented.

[Gunny]

Bump
https://nypost.com/2024/05/11/lifestyle/the-crazy-ways-humans-are-trying-to-control-the-weather/Cloud seeding has been around since before I can remember. IIRC, with dubious success at best.

I'm no expert on the topic. I know enough about Man to know that every time he fucks with nature something turns to shit.

[SassyLady]

Cloud seeding has been around since before I can remember. IIRC, with dubious success at best.

I'm no expert on the topic. I know enough about Man to know that every time he fucks with nature something turns to shit.

Dubai flooded themselves for the first time in history with cloud seeding.

And some states here in the US are pretty serious about it.

https://www.truth11.com/8-states-banning-chemtrails/

Tennessee

On April 11, 2024 Tennessee Governor Bill Lee signed SB 2691 (formerly HB 2063) into law. The new law goes into effect on July 1. SB 2691 was introduced by Representative Monty Fritts (R) and had 14 co-sponsors.

The law is very brief. It amends an already existing law. It simply states that, “The intentional injection, release, or dispersion, by any means, of chemicals, chemical compounds, substances, or apparatus within the borders of this state into the atmosphere with the express purpose of affecting temperature, weather, or the intensity of the sunlight is prohibited.” Violators face charges of a class C misdemeanor with fines of up to $10K per day, per violation.

[revelarts]

13 year necro.... I think that's a new record.

It's interesting to me how widespread the conspiracy theories are for weather control. It was a powerful storm that did a lot of damage, just like has always happened, but there's a LOT of people convinced that it was a manmade hurricane.

If weather control was a thing, Moscow, Bejing, Havana, Pyonyang and Baghdad would have been destroyed decades ago right about the time it's alleged to have been invented.

UN
Convention on the prohibition of military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques
New York, 10 December 1976
https://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=IND&mtdsg_no=XXVI-1&chapter=26&clang=_en

....Article I
1. Each State Party to this Convention undertak _s not to engage in military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques having widespread, long-lasting or severe effects as the means of destruction, d~~ge or injury to any other State Party.
2. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes not to assist, encourage or induce any State, _sroup of States or international organizati on to engage in activities contrary to the provisions of paragraph 1 of this article.

Article II
As used in article I, the term "environmental modification techniques"
refers to any technique for changing - through the deliberate manipulation of natural processes - the dynamics, composition or structure of the earth, including its biota, lithosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere, or of outer space.

Article III
1. The provisions of this Convention shall not hinder the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes and shall be without prejudice to the generally recognized principles and applicable rules of international law concerning such use.
...
https://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=IND&mtdsg_no=XXVI-1&chapter=26&clang=_en


DAILY MAIL
February 2015
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2954933/Can-Russia-control-weather-Climate-researcher-says-CIA-fears-hostile-nations-triggering-floods-droughts.html
Can Russia control the weather? Climate researcher says CIA fears hostile nations are triggering floods and droughts
•CIA chiefs fear hostile nations are trying to manipulate the world’s weather
•Academic has told of mysterious phone call asking whether foreign countries could be triggering droughts or flooding
•CIA is believed to have helped fund a major report into geoengineering


Smithsonian Magazine .com
December 2011
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/weather-control-as-a-cold-war-weapon-1777409/
Weather Control as a Cold War Weapon
In the 1950s, some U.S. scientists warned that, without immediate action, the Soviet Union would control the earth’s thermometers



Majorie Taylor Greene any anyone who else who wonders about it is just a "crazy" conspiracy theorist though.
No on should ever seriously wonder if any storm was man made ... or directed.. or enhanced... or anything like that.
Weather Control is not a thing.... right?

[NightTrain]

No, Rev, I'm not saying that man hasn't tried to control weather, because it's well documented that we have tried. It's far too complex to predict what will happen when weather is tampered with. I remember reading about an experiment back in the 50s or early 60s when the US military seeded a small quall out in the Atlantic and it morphed into a Cat4 or Cat5 beast that made landfall and beat the hell out of the American coast states. It's impossible to say with certainty that it wouldn't have done that by itself anyway, but the strong suspicion is that it was greatly enhanced accidentally by the experiment before it ultimately petered out and dispersed normally. Kind of a Butterfly Effect on steroids.

My position is that we learned from those experiments and realized that we don't know enough about our weather systems, wind currents, solar activity, etc., to fool with it lest we create another mega storm that knocks the hell out of populated areas to the tune of hundreds of deaths and billions of dollars in damage.

My Dad was a sergeant in the Army before he got out, and he was privy to some government projects that were unreal in the results and he firmly believed that the government was actively working on weather control, just as the USSR was as a counter. And Alaska is on the frontlines of that particular struggle - we'd try to send storms over Siberia across the strait and they'd return the favor, as Dad told us a few times. I was always pretty skeptical of that notion, same as I am today.

And I've read about the CIA seeding massive systems over Vietnam to make life miserable for the VC in the rainforest jungles, but it wasn't effective - sometimes it worked, other times it didn't. There were too many variables involved, and worse, we didn't know all the variables - and still dont.

Everyone knows we can seed clouds. But we can't control where those resulting enhanced storms travel to, because they create their own winds and there's no way to predict which way it ends up going OR how powerful they'll get. I don't think we're attempting to control it because it's a fool's errand.

The worst hurricanes ever recorded are from the 1800s - early 1900s. I don't think those folk were using slingshots or bow & arrows to seed clouds. They were seeding the South 40 behind a mule.

Sometimes hurricanes form. They form naturally, as they've always done. And sometimes they beat the hell out of the East Coast, just like they've always done.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[NightTrain]

And another thing!

If we know so much about weather systems, why is it that the weather prediction industry which has billions in satellites, monitoring stations and tens of thousands of very smart & educated people specializing in that field can't tell us if it's going to rain 2 days from now?

Or if it's a secret military plot and they have all the info that they keep from the public, why is it that they can't create perfect flying weather for when they have an important mission to carry out on a certain day? Instead, missions get scrubbed all the time because the weather doesn't cooperate with their planning. Why wouldn't we just magic up a storm to park over Tehran and let it take care of business for us?

Why wouldn't Putin order up a storm to keep Ukraine bogged down in their infamous mud? Instead, both sides endure the wet season and wait until things cycle through like they always have. I haven't seen any unfamiliar weather magic over there in that desperate struggle, so I'm pretty sure Russia doesn't have the tech either.

[revelarts]

No, Rev, I'm not saying that man hasn't tried to control weather, because it's well documented that we have tried. It's far too complex to predict what will happen when weather is tampered with. I remember reading about an experiment back in the 50s or early 60s when the US military seeded a small quall out in the Atlantic and it morphed into a Cat4 or Cat5 beast that made landfall and beat the hell out of the American coast states. It's impossible to say with certainty that it wouldn't have done that by itself anyway, but the strong suspicion is that it was greatly enhanced accidentally by the experiment before it ultimately petered out and dispersed normally. Kind of a Butterfly Effect on steroids.

My position is that we learned from those experiments and realized that we don't know enough about our weather systems, wind currents, solar activity, etc., to fool with it lest we create another mega storm that knocks the hell out of populated areas to the tune of hundreds of deaths and billions of dollars in damage.

My Dad was a sergeant in the Army before he got out, and he was privy to some government projects that were unreal in the results and he firmly believed that the government was actively working on weather control, just as the USSR was as a counter. And Alaska is on the frontlines of that particular struggle - we'd try to send storms over Siberia across the strait and they'd return the favor, as Dad told us a few times. I was always pretty skeptical of that notion, same as I am today.

And I've read about the CIA seeding massive systems over Vietnam to make life miserable for the VC in the rainforest jungles, but it wasn't effective - sometimes it worked, other times it didn't. There were too many variables involved, and worse, we didn't know all the variables - and still dont.

Everyone knows we can seed clouds. But we can't control where those resulting enhanced storms travel to, because they create their own winds and there's no way to predict which way it ends up going OR how powerful they'll get. I don't think we're attempting to control it because it's a fool's errand.

The worst hurricanes ever recorded are from the 1800s - early 1900s. I don't think those folk were using slingshots or bow & arrows to seed clouds. They were seeding the South 40 behind a mule.

Sometimes hurricanes form. They form naturally, as they've always done. And sometimes they beat the hell out of the East Coast, just like they've always done.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

All i can say is I don't know what's possible today,
or what's working to the point of manageable control Night train.

I'm not going off my gut.
But From what I've read, some posted here, weather modification has been an ONGOING project around the world since the 1950s. And a real enough option for hundreds of nations to sign onto a treaty NOT to use it for military purposes.
Not sure how you're so confident that it's extremely unlikely.

What has or hasn't been successful, I'm not as confident as you in saying.
And you know very well that the fact that it's a fools errand has never been a big deterrent for people doing stupid things. Especially if it means gaining an upper hand politically or financially.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar,
But if they've been spending millions (billions?) on producing special cigars, world wide, for 50+ years it's not crazy to consider that you may be looking at one from time to time.
It is a question worth asking seriously.
despite people's incredulity.

[revelarts]

And another thing!

If we know so much about weather systems, why is it that the weather prediction industry which has billions in satellites, monitoring stations and tens of thousands of very smart & educated people specializing in that field can't tell us if it's going to rain 2 days from now?

Or if it's a secret military plot and they have all the info that they keep from the public, why is it that they can't create perfect flying weather for when they have an important mission to carry out on a certain day? Instead, missions get scrubbed all the time because the weather doesn't cooperate with their planning. Why wouldn't we just magic up a storm to park over Tehran and let it take care of business for us?

Why wouldn't Putin order up a storm to keep Ukraine bogged down in their infamous mud? Instead, both sides endure the wet season and wait until things cycle through like they always have. I haven't seen any unfamiliar weather magic over there in that desperate struggle, so I'm pretty sure Russia doesn't have the tech either.

Why would they have a treaty against it's Use if was NEVER going to be an issue?

we don't have treaties against Time travel or Dragons or magic wands.

.....

BTW
From the Air War College, Maxwell Air Force Base 1997
Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025

"...‘Weather modification will become a part of domestic and international security and could be done unilaterally… It could have offensive and defensive applications and even be used for deterrence purposes. The ability to generate precipitation, fog and storms on earth or to modify space weather… and the production of artificial weather all are a part of an integrated set of [military] technologies.’..."
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA333462.pdf

[revelarts]

Haarp is or was up in Alaska

here's an old Canadian Broadcasting "investigation"

https://youtu.be/ZO5Adt4nhCk

[NightTrain]

Haarp is or was up in Alaska

here's an old Canadian Broadcasting "investigation"

https://youtu.be/ZO5Adt4nhCk


I used to live a few miles away from HAARP. Remember the bigfoot story? That was about 40 miles from HAARP. I can't tell you how many times people told fantastical stories about the Air Force in Gakona doing something along the lines of Mickey Mouse in Fantasia, wielding thunder & lightning with massive storms as we lived right there. Nothing ever happened that was unusual, unless they were responsible for the incredible mosquito population.

The USAF transferred that facility to University of Alaska Fairbanks years ago. They'd gotten their research done that they wanted in the Ionosphere and turned it over to them. It wasn't weather related; it was to study what happens with high energy up that high - research like that led to GPS, LIDAR, long distance radio functions, laser communications, satellite comms, stuff like that.

[NightTrain]

All i can say is I don't know what's possible today,
or what's working to the point of manageable control Night train.

I'm not going off my gut.
But From what I've read, some posted here, weather modification has been an ONGOING project around the world since the 1950s. And a real enough option for hundreds of nations to sign onto a treaty NOT to use it for military purposes.
Not sure how you're so confident that it's extremely unlikely.

What has or hasn't been successful, I'm not as confident as you in saying.
And you know very well that the fact that it's a fools errand has never been a big deterrent for people doing stupid things. Especially if it means gaining an upper hand politically or financially.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar,
But if they've been spending millions (billions?) on producing special cigars, world wide, for 50+ years it's not crazy to consider that you may be looking at one from time to time.
It is a question worth asking seriously.
despite people's incredulity.


It's been tried, but you can't point it in a safe direction.

The reason that there's a treaty is because no one wants some weather nerds experimenting off their coast in a C-130 creating a Cat5. It's pretty easy to imagine after we did it to ourselves. It wouldn't be that difficult for the USAF or USN to relocate the experiments from Florida to off the coast of some 3rd world country to try and perfect weather systems after our unfortunate experience with it.

Just because the government has looked into things and run experiments doesn't mean it's a viable idea. They've also done countless telekinesis, remote viewing and ESP experiments - spent many millions of dollars and countless years doing it, but it never panned out.

The reason I'm confident it's not going on is for the reasons I already outline up above : If the US Gov & Military were capable of weather control, they'd damn sure do it when it really matters - instead, they get rained out just like anyone else. There's no evidence that it's a viable field and everything I've read said we looked into it but discarded it because it's completely unreliable and dangerous. The Russians came to the same conclusion and scrapped it, too.

[revelarts]

NT You seem to have the idea that weather modification, if possible, should work like magic.
They point at the sky & it clears instantly or something.
Rather than simply working 75-90% of the time over the course of days to get a general result.
Or simply enhances whats already in play. But to your point, the only weather modification i've heard of that stops weather is local fog clearing.
Maybe we simply can not effectively STOP rain, snow, lightening, hail, hurricanes or earthquakes. But we can start them.
You suggest that the DOD or others would completely ignore the treaty and use the tech to harm others to the point of wiping others out. So we'd see the results.
Why would they have to do that? Rather than use it subtly, secretly in ways to mask the use. Since it does break the treaty to use it for harm.

Like I said, I can't say what the DOD is doing with Weather modification at this point. Or if at all.
Or what other Gov't agencies are doing. Overtly or Covertly. Or if at all.
BUt IMO it's a legit question. Especially in the light of the fact the DOD and other agencies HAVE used MKUltra and illegal Bio-weapons & worked up secret bio weapons labs world wide. In spite of treaties & laws. Why should we assume the best?

Concerning the viablity we can know there's a limited but growing private sector weather modification industry (unlike telekinesis & ESP).
Good thing there's no such thing a public private partnerships, or other ways Govts work with or as private firms.


https://www.marketresearchstrategy.com/reports/energy-power/weather-modification-market (https://www.marketresearchstrategy.com/reports/energy-power/weather-modification-market)
Report Description

The global Weather Modification market size is estimated at USD 152.3 million in 2020, expanding at a CAGR of 9.6% from 2021-2027 to reach 290.5 million USD in 2027.

Market Dynamics
In the future, the worldwide weather modification industry is projected to develop at a rapid rate. Several reasons, such as declining precipitation rates and the growing concern of water shortages, are expected to drive market expansion in the future. In addition, the expansion of a number of weather modification projects creates a plethora of chances for the weather modification industry to develop considerably in the future. The increase is due to a decrease in rainfall rates throughout the world as a result of global warming and pollution.

The substance used in cloud seeding, silver iodide, is hazardous to aquatic life. As a result, the environment may be harmed by precipitation from planted clouds. Scientists have investigated non-toxic silver iodide substitutes in response to concerns. It has been established that calcium chloride is effective. The heavy metal ion silver is one of the most poisonous, especially to microorganisms and fish. Nonetheless, the ease with which Ag creates insoluble compounds diminishes its significance as a pollutant in the environment. Either through the terrestrial or marine food systems, agriculture is unlikely to concentrate at hazardous levels.

Seeding for fog dissipation, hail suppression, snowfall, and rainfall augmentation, and other applications make up the market. The need for weather manipulation to avert disasters such as hailstorms is also limited due to the rarity of such occurrences. As a result, Snowfall and Rainfall Augmentation is the most popular sector in this industry. Various countries have employed this approach in drought-stricken areas on many occasions. Fog dissipation, on the other hand, is projected to increase throughout the projection period as a result of expanding companies in various locations, particularly in emerging nations, implying improved infrastructure.

North America, Asia-Pacific, Europe, the Middle East, and Africa, and Latin America are the five areas that make up the worldwide Weather Modification market. The APAC region is expected to dominate the worldwide weather modification industry, with China leading the way in terms of market share. China has spent a lot of money on weather manipulation in order to be as independent as possible from unpredictable rainfall and to improve its water supply. This is part of their plan to create their own 'Tianhe,' or Sky River, which will span 1.6 million square kilometers. In India, the states of Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, and Maharashtra are implementing weather manipulation projects.

China will expand its weather manipulation program to encompass an area greater than India on December 4, 2020. Due to the advancements in research and improvements in comprehensive risk avoidance, China will build a weather modification system by 2025. In the next five years, the total area covered by artificial rain or snowfall will exceed 5.5 million sq km, with hail suppression technology covering over 580,000 sq km.

The report begins with an overview of the Industry Chain structure, and describes the industry environment, then analyses market size and forecast of Weather Modifications by type, region, and application. In addition, this report introduces the market competition situation among the vendors and company profile, besides, market price analysis and value chain features are covered in this report....
................

This link says the weather modification equipment market is rising to over a billion.
https://dataintelo.com/report/global-weather-modification-equipment-market

[revelarts]

....If the US Gov & Military were capable of weather control, they'd damn sure do it when it really matters - instead, they get rained out just like anyone else. There's no evidence that it's a viable field ....


Company offers rain-free wedding days for £100,000
A luxury holiday company is offering to use geo-engineering to guarantee ‘fair weather and clear skies’ – for a starting price tag of £100,000
https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/mar/11/rain-free-weddings-company


Maybe the DOD needs to hire this company from time to time?

[NightTrain]

NT You seem to have the idea that weather modification, if possible, should work like magic.
They point at the sky & it clears instantly or something.
Rather than simply working 75-90% of the time over the course of days to get a general result.
Or simply enhances whats already in play. But to your point, the only weather modification i've heard of that stops weather is local fog clearing.
Maybe we simply can not effectively STOP rain, snow, lightening, hail, hurricanes or earthquakes. But we can start them.
You suggest that the DOD or others would completely ignore the treaty and use the tech to harm others to the point of wiping others out. So we'd see the results.
Why would they have to do that? Rather than use it subtly, secretly in ways to mask the use. Since it does break the treaty to use it for harm.

Like I said, I can't say what the DOD is doing with Weather modification at this point. Or if at all.
Or what other Gov't agencies are doing. Overtly or Covertly. Or if at all.
BUt IMO it's a legit question. Especially in the light of the fact the DOD and other agencies HAVE used MKUltra and illegal Bio-weapons & worked up secret bio weapons labs world wide. In spite of treaties & laws. Why should we assume the best?

Concerning the viablity we can know there's a limited but growing private sector weather modification industry (unlike telekinesis & ESP).
Good thing there's no such thing a public private partnerships, or other ways Govts work with or as private firms.



Well, Rev, you've been right and I've been wrong before about different subjects that seemed preposterous and outlandish. This may be another one, but I hope that I'm right for all of our sake. I'm a long way from Ground Zero if you're right, but those giant storms down in the Gulf definitely have a big affect on my weather up here.

You know that you make me actually cringe when you trot out that BS site, right? I think those guys are with the global site out of Canada run by that band of merry nutjobs.

[NightTrain]

Company offers rain-free wedding days for £100,000
A luxury holiday company is offering to use geo-engineering to guarantee ‘fair weather and clear skies’ – for a starting price tag of £100,000
https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/mar/11/rain-free-weddings-company


Maybe the DOD needs to hire this company from time to time?


There's also companies guaranteeing bald men full heads of hair and an extra large penis with a few easy payments on your credit card.


@Gunny (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=30) can you confirm if those work?

[revelarts]

There's also companies guaranteeing bald men full heads of hair and an extra large penis with a few easy payments on your credit card.

:laugh:
Plenty of folks in the DOD could (have?!) probably use them too.
"black budget", "top secret" line items.

[revelarts]

Well, Rev, you've been right and I've been wrong before about different subjects that seemed preposterous and outlandish. This may be another one, but I hope that I'm right for all of our sake. I'm a long way from Ground Zero if you're right, but those giant storms down in the Gulf definitely have a big affect on my weather up here.

You know that you make me actually cringe when you trot out that BS site, right? I think those guys are with the global site out of Canada run by that band of merry nutjobs.

Like I've said, I don't know if weather modification techniques were used for the recent storms.
How could we prove it?
But I do not think it's far fetched or outlandish to ask if weather modification techniques could have been used.

As you said, the tech's been tested years ago
and at that time it causes problems in the sense that it made weather more dangerous & it was uncontrollable.

[NightTrain]

Like I've said, I don't know if weather modification techniques were used for the recent storms.
How could we prove it?
But I do not think it's far fetched or outlandish to ask if it has been.

As you said, the tech has been tested years ago and at that time it causes problems in the sense that it made wether more dangerous & it was uncontrollable.


Well, IF those two hurricanes were man made, they sure as hell aren't going to 'fess up to it now. That would be involuntary manslaughter and assault, plus billions in damage.

But I'm positive they were Acts of God and completely natural. Kamala sure tried to latch on to that to try and change the failing trajectory of her campaign, but it backfired like everything else her and Biden touch.

DeSantis came out like a pro and is getting Kudos for handling the aftermath. He's about the only winner I can see here, so I imagine he's the Prime Suspect - except he's not running for anything.

[Gunny]

There's also companies guaranteeing bald men full heads of hair and an extra large penis with a few easy payments on your credit card.


@Gunny (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=30) can you confirm if those work?:laugh2:

Nope. Neither on my necessity list :)