View Full Version : Lousy Mother's Day for Military Moms...
shadow7
05-11-2007, 09:43 PM
Sunday is Mother's Day. This is an important message to the great supporter of the troops in the White House...
Not a Happy Mother’s Day for Bush’s Military Moms:
Hey, George! While Laura and Mama Bush are opening their Mother’s Day cards, just take a minute to think about the mothers you sent to fight your freaking wars. And think about the Mothers of all the troops you’ve used as fodder for your dreams of empire. Yeah, like you give a tinker’s damn….
I doubt that you’re even capable of imagining the kind of Mother’s Day they’re having, George. .Life in your sociopathic bubble doesn’t allow for any reality or empathy, so let me clue you in.
Here are some of the numbers, George, if you can handle the math:
- Right now there are 24, 475 women deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan, and close to FORTY PERCENT of these women are mothers. To make it easier for you, - that comes to more than NINE THOUSAND women celebrating a dangerous and miserable Mother’s Day in your illegal and immoral debacle..
- For the record, as of April of this year, 85 women have lost their lives in your bloody quest for empire. It figures that some of them were, or might one day have become mothers. Surely most of them had mothers. Thanks to you, they won’t be celebrating any Mother’s Days ever again. Doesn’t that make you proud?
- And, again for the record, 474 women were wounded in Iraq as of April, 2007. You
- Don’t dare show us the severity of their wounds, but we can guess that many of these women have been left with massive wounds and missing limbs and emotional scars that they will last for many Mother’s Days to come.
Read the rest here:
http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=617
stephanie
05-11-2007, 09:47 PM
Sunday is Mother's Day. This is an important message to the great supporter of the troops in the White House...
Read the rest here:
http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=617
This letter sucks..AND so do the people who are now using the BRAVE WOMEN who are serving in our military...For this ugly letter..
shattered
05-11-2007, 09:49 PM
This letter sucks..AND????
...and it's a spam account, thus the link to a blog.
**drags Steph out**
No playing with strangers, m'dear.
stephanie
05-11-2007, 09:54 PM
...and it's a spam account, thus the link to a blog.
**drags Steph out**
No playing with strangers, murder.
sorry....I'm not that computer savvy....don't know about those, I guess...
The damn letter just pissed me off...:cheers2:
Lightning Waltz
05-11-2007, 10:00 PM
sorry....I'm not that computer savvy....don't know about those, I guess...
The damn letter just pissed me off...:cheers2:
Well, thank goodness GWB doesn't use the troops as props...
http://thedefeatists.typepad.com/apoplectic/images/asshole_1.jpg
stephanie
05-11-2007, 10:03 PM
Well, thank goodness GWB doesn't use the troops as props...
http://thedefeatists.typepad.com/apoplectic/images/asshole_1.jpg
Aaaaaaa...fer crying out loud..That was a good thing for the troops...
But, we know we can't have ANYTHING GOOD...:slap:
jimnyc
05-12-2007, 04:48 AM
Sunday is Mother's Day. This is an important message to the great supporter of the troops in the White House...
A message from whom? A liberal blog writer?
Hey, George! While Laura and Mama Bush are opening their Mother’s Day cards, just take a minute to think about the mothers you sent to fight your freaking wars. And think about the Mothers of all the troops you’ve used as fodder for your dreams of empire. Yeah, like you give a tinker’s damn….I know a few Mom's who have children in the service. They will stand proudly on Mother's Day knowing what a wonderful job they did, and how their child is off serving their country.
I doubt that you’re even capable of imagining the kind of Mother’s Day they’re having, George. .Life in your sociopathic bubble doesn’t allow for any reality or empathy, so let me clue you in.I saw with my own eyes GW's empathy when he visited NYC after 9/11 and met with as many of the families as he could. I believe his sorrow and empathy are 100% sincere. I've seen him visit wounded soldiers and families with the same empathy.
Here are some of the numbers, George, if you can handle the math:
- Right now there are 24, 475 women deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan, and close to FORTY PERCENT of these women are mothers. To make it easier for you, - that comes to more than NINE THOUSAND women celebrating a dangerous and miserable Mother’s Day in your illegal and immoral debacle..If it's illegal, where are the charges? When will we see him prosecuted for this illegal war? And would these numbers be any different had the war been "legal" in your eyes?
- For the record, as of April of this year, 85 women have lost their lives in your bloody quest for empire. It figures that some of them were, or might one day have become mothers. Surely most of them had mothers. Thanks to you, they won’t be celebrating any Mother’s Days ever again. Doesn’t that make you proud?And again, if the war was "legal" in your eyes, would those who have perished somehow have miraculously survived?
- And, again for the record, 474 women were wounded in Iraq as of April, 2007. You
- Don’t dare show us the severity of their wounds, but we can guess that many of these women have been left with massive wounds and missing limbs and emotional scars that they will last for many Mother’s Days to come.Is it up to GW to show us the severity of every injury in Iraq? If so, please cite your source.
When Father's Day rolls around in June, will there be another blog entry for them? Maybe mention about how they are sacrificing everything in Iraq for their country, while many sit back in their recliners and condemn them and their leaders? Will the entry mention how these Dad's are trying to fight a war, and many are fighting to oppose funding to assist them? Will it mention the children who are home displaying flags honoring their fathers, and telling stories in grammar school about how proud they are of their Daddy's?
avatar4321
05-12-2007, 04:49 AM
Sunday is Mother's Day. This is an important message to the great supporter of the troops in the White House...
Read the rest here:
http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=617
So basically you want to celebrate mothers day by degrading these mothers and their sons for the work they are doing to bring freedom to the world and protect us from terror?
avatar4321
05-12-2007, 04:52 AM
Well, thank goodness GWB doesn't use the troops as props...
http://thedefeatists.typepad.com/apoplectic/images/asshole_1.jpg
So I guess the President is not allowed to talk to the troops, congratulate them, encourage them because Democrats are going to worried that he might use it for political reasons. Ive seen far more Democrats use that picture of the President with the troops as props than the President has.
But then the President actually has issues to stand on. The Democrats don't have that luxary.
Gunny
05-12-2007, 05:14 AM
Sunday is Mother's Day. This is an important message to the great supporter of the troops in the White House...
Read the rest here:
http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=617
Horsefeathers. I have a better idea. How about you lefties quit trying to play on the emotions of others and acting as if "Mom's" are getting screwed?
Very few, if any current active duy personnel even on their first term could have joined prior to the US being at war. That's a conscious decision on their part to support this Nation's endeavors in that regard.
If "Mom's" have a probelm, they need to address it to the decisions of their children, not anyone else.
And personally, if my mother attempted to politicize any sacrifice I made in the military I'd rise up from the grave and chew her ass for it. I don't give a damned what my mother's political malfunctions are, she has NO right to dishonro my memory in such a manner.
And you have no right to dishonor the sacrifices of military servicemembers for their decisions, fallaciously in their mothers' names.
Lightning Waltz
05-12-2007, 06:22 AM
So I guess the President is not allowed to talk to the troops, congratulate them, encourage them because Democrats are going to worried that he might use it for political reasons. Ive seen far more Democrats use that picture of the President with the troops as props than the President has.
But then the President actually has issues to stand on. The Democrats don't have that luxary.
So I guess no one is able to mention the troops, show their situation to make a political point unless its the Republicans...
Lightning Waltz
05-12-2007, 06:27 AM
Aaaaaaa...fer crying out loud..That was a good thing for the troops...
But, we know we can't have ANYTHING GOOD...:slap:
It's only a "good thing" because you agree with the point being made...
Gunny
05-12-2007, 08:09 AM
So I guess no one is able to mention the troops, show their situation to make a political point unless its the Republicans...
When the "situations" you lefties show amount to nothing but lies ... no.
Lightning Waltz
05-12-2007, 10:24 AM
When the "situations" you lefties show amount to nothing but lies ... no.
Yeah...as I said...
Sitarro
05-12-2007, 11:26 AM
I'm no mother but I would imagine that finding out that your son or daughter has decided to adopt a homosexual lifestyle would be as devastating as any decision that a child can make. Joining the Communist party, becoming a NAMBLA member, a gang member, homeless, a porn actor, a crook, a socialist, a DEMOCRAT!!!! These are all things that would hurt most mothers and cause them to not only worry but also wonder where they went wrong in their job of raising this loser. Becoming a member of the U.S. Military would maybe get them to worry about you but it is very few that wouldn't be extremely proud of their son or daughter for that selfless decision. Mothers worry no matter what their children are doing, driving to work can be as dangerous as anything else you could do in life but worrying about a son or daughter serving their country is a worry with the reward that lets you know that you helped instill something special in your child.
Samantha
05-12-2007, 11:28 AM
Aaaaaaa...fer crying out loud..That was a good thing for the troops...
But, we know we can't have ANYTHING GOOD...:slap:What was good about Bush declaring the war over 3 years ago? It made them think they didn't have much longer to be away from their families. It was a big lie, right in their faces. How could that be good for the troops?
Pale Rider
05-12-2007, 02:14 PM
Sunday is Mother's Day. This is an important message to the great supporter of the troops in the White House...
Read the rest here:
http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=617
So now we have but ANOTHER damn liberal here.... WHERE IN THE FUCK ARE THEY ALL COMING FROM???!!!
Mr. P
05-12-2007, 02:17 PM
So now we have but ANOTHER damn liberal here.... WHERE IN THE FUCK ARE THEY ALL COMING FROM???!!!
This idiot will probably not be back.
Pale Rider
05-12-2007, 02:34 PM
It was a big lie, right in their faces.
Still trying to perpetuate that stale old liberal line of crap. The ONLY one LYING here is YOU.
avatar4321
05-12-2007, 02:54 PM
So I guess no one is able to mention the troops, show their situation to make a political point unless its the Republicans...
Obviously you have a reading comprehension problem so there really isnt any point saying anything else.
avatar4321
05-12-2007, 02:55 PM
Still trying to perpetuate that stall old liberal line of crap. The ONLY one LYING here is YOU.
Don't you know it's alright to lie if it hurts Bush.
Mr. P
05-12-2007, 03:43 PM
What was good about Bush declaring the war over 3 years ago? It made them think they didn't have much longer to be away from their families. It was a big lie, right in their faces. How could that be good for the troops?
When exactly did Bush 'declare' the war was over?
tim_duncan2000
05-12-2007, 06:03 PM
If the liberals are so concerned about these women, then why are they always the ones pushing the equality, women-are-no-different-than-men nonsense that encourages them to serve in all roles in combat?
So I guess the President is not allowed to talk to the troops, congratulate them, encourage them because Democrats are going to worried that he might use it for political reasons. Ive seen far more Democrats use that picture of the President with the troops as props than the President has.
But then the President actually has issues to stand on. The Democrats don't have that luxary.
LOL...if that picture were actually true, you know darned well that the Republicans would be using it. That's politics.
I'm no mother but I would imagine that finding out that your son or daughter has decided to adopt a homosexual lifestyle would be as devastating as any decision that a child can make. Joining the Communist party, becoming a NAMBLA member, a gang member, homeless, a porn actor, a crook, a socialist, a DEMOCRAT!!!! These are all things that would hurt most mothers and cause them to not only worry but also wonder where they went wrong in their job of raising this loser.
I sure am glad you got that out of your system! You don't know much about motherhood do you?
Abbey Marie
05-12-2007, 08:07 PM
Exactly, Siatrro. I have a friend whose 2 sons both recently joined the Marines. I've asked her if she worries about their future deployment(s), and she said, "of course, but mostly I am so proud of them". I'd say that is a fairly common outlook.
Doniston
05-12-2007, 08:30 PM
So now we have but ANOTHER damn liberal here.... WHERE IN THE FUCK ARE THEY ALL COMING FROM???!!!
1. he's not necessarily a liberal. He could just be one of the many Republicans who have learned the error of Bush-baby's ways.
2. also, the "where are they all coming from" is simply that there are more of us than there are of you, and always have been, it's just that prior to the last election you spoke louder. and simply ignored the truth. We can't be ignored any longer.
1. he's not necessarily a liberal. He could just be one of the many Republicans who have learned the error of Nush-baby's ways.
2. also, the "where are they all coming from" is simply that there are more of us than there are of you, and always have been, it's just that prior to the last election you spoke louder. and simply ignored the truth. We can't be ignored any longer.
There are not more liberals than conservatives. Go around and listen to people talk at their dinner tables, America is overwhelmingly conservative.
Mr. P
05-12-2007, 09:30 PM
1. he's not necessarily a liberal. He could just be one of the many Republicans who have learned the error of Bush-baby's ways.
2. also, the "where are they all coming from" is simply that there are more of us than there are of you, and always have been, it's just that prior to the last election you spoke louder. and simply ignored the truth. We can't be ignored any longer.
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
stephanie
05-12-2007, 09:35 PM
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
I'll second that....and raise you one...:laugh2:
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
Gaffer
05-12-2007, 10:05 PM
Once again the libs are trying to paint the troops as victims in the war, being sent where they don't want to go. It's the big liberal lie they always play.
As for the picture. That is when the mission to oust saddam had been completeed. Not a mention was made about the war being over, just the fact that saddam was out of power. The mission that carrier was assigned to do was completed. Therefore the sign, mission accomplished. Which was put up by the ships crew, not Bush.
Why do libs always have to twist the truth and the facts?
The mission that carrier was assigned to do was completed. Therefore the sign, mission accomplished. Which was put up by the ships crew, not Bush.
Why do libs always have to twist the truth and the facts?
Sorry........but that came out 6 months later, when it was shown that the Mission was not Accomplished. If indeed that were a fact as I've mentioned before, Bush surely would have made it known in his speech, why would he leave that out?
Mr. P
05-12-2007, 10:31 PM
Sorry........but that came out 6 months later, when it was shown that the Mission was not Accomplished. If indeed that were a fact as I've mentioned before, Bush surely would have made it known in his speech, why would he leave that out?
I think you have a problem with verbal comprehension. It was obvious the 'Mission accomplished" statement was directed at the ships crew and mission and the ousting of Saddam.
Why do you want to twist this into something it wasn't?
I think you have a problem with verbal comprehension. It was obvious the 'Mission accomplished" statement was directed at the ships crew and mission and the ousting of Saddam.
It might have had something to do with the ousting of Sadaam, but it had nothing to do with the ships crew. If it did, he would have mentioned it in his speech and not have this "excuse" come out 6 months later. You can't honestly think that if it had to do with the ship and the crew he wouldn't at the very least thanked them for their service? Come on, give it up.
Why do you want to twist this into something it wasn't?
You don't need me to do that.
Sitarro
05-13-2007, 12:11 AM
Sorry........but that came out 6 months later, when it was shown that the Mission was not Accomplished. If indeed that were a fact as I've mentioned before, Bush surely would have made it known in his speech, why would he leave that out?
If it wasn't about that ship's crew, why would he have gone to that carrier in particular? By the way, I saw a Discovery channel guy take a 42 minute ride in an F-18 SuperHornet this morning. Surprisingly he wore the exact same style flight suit with exactly the same survival gear attached as President Bush was required to wear when he flew out to the Lincoln. His flight used a great deal more fuel than the President's, the guy took up quite a few different Navy Officer's time getting checked out and reviewing safety systems, he flew in the hottest fighter the Navy possesses and all for a few minutes on the Discovery channel. Hell, even that overpaid Katy Couric has worn the same style flight suit to go up with one of the Blue Angels. Why is it OK for a nobody on Discovery and a loser reporter to wear the same gear and fly in much more advanced aircraft using much more fuel but the Commander In Chief of all of the Armed Forces is chastized for doing less?
Admit it, you clowns are full of shit hypocrites with an agenda to destroy this President to try to somehow gain what you perceive as power?
[QUOTE=Sitarro;57560]If it wasn't about that ship's crew, why would he have gone to that carrier in particular?
Because it was there. Now how about ansering my question? If the banner was there to celebrate this ship and the men who served on it, why not give them some praise and mention in his speech?
By the way, I saw a Discovery channel guy take a 42 minute ride in an F-18 SuperHornet this morning. Surprisingly he wore the exact same style flight suit with exactly the same survival gear attached as President Bush was required to wear when he flew out to the Lincoln. His flight used a great deal more fuel than the President's, the guy took up quite a few different Navy Officer's time getting checked out and reviewing safety systems, he flew in the hottest fighter the Navy possesses and all for a few minutes on the Discovery channel. Hell, even that overpaid Katy Couric has worn the same style flight suit to go up with one of the Blue Angels. Why is it OK for a nobody on Discovery and a loser reporter to wear the same gear and fly in much more advanced aircraft using much more fuel but the Commander In Chief of all of the Armed Forces is chastized for doing less?
Fascinating.
Mr. P
05-13-2007, 07:21 AM
It might have had something to do with the ousting of Sadaam, but it had nothing to do with the ships crew. If it did, he would have mentioned it in his speech and not have this "excuse" come out 6 months later. You can't honestly think that if it had to do with the ship and the crew he wouldn't at the very least thanked them for their service? Come on, give it up.
You don't need me to do that.
Well, it seems he addressed the crew along with all service men and he did thank them. How can you deny it?
Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans:
Our nation and our coalition are proud of this accomplishment — yet it is you, the members of the United States military, who achieved it.
Thank you for serving our country
Gaffer
05-13-2007, 08:45 AM
It might have had something to do with the ousting of Sadaam, but it had nothing to do with the ships crew. If it did, he would have mentioned it in his speech and not have this "excuse" come out 6 months later. You can't honestly think that if it had to do with the ship and the crew he wouldn't at the very least thanked them for their service? Come on, give it up.
You don't need me to do that.
The ship and crew were returning home. They had been on an extended tour of duty all ready when the war broke out. Their mission was completed. The flight out there was to thank them for their service. I thought it was a cool thing to do, but then I don't have a blind hatred of Bush.
Doniston
05-13-2007, 11:44 AM
Once again the libs are trying to paint the troops as victims in the war, being sent where they don't want to go. It's the big liberal lie they always play.
As for the picture. That is when the mission to oust saddam had been completeed. Not a mention was made about the war being over, just the fact that saddam was out of power. The mission that carrier was assigned to do was completed. Therefore the sign, mission accomplished. Which was put up by the ships crew, not Bush.
Why do libs always have to twist the truth and the facts? Do you HONESTLY beleive that Bush didn't know the sign was there? or that if he thought it was wrong that it would have remained? Get real.
darin
05-13-2007, 11:46 AM
Do you HONESTLY beleive that Bush didn't know the sign was there? or that if he thought it was wrong that it would have remained? Get real.
You're missing the point. The point is, the mission - to remove saddam - was complete.
Mr. P
05-13-2007, 11:47 AM
Do you HONESTLY beleive that Bush didn't know the sign was there? or that if he thought it was wrong that it would have remained? Get real.
Does it matter if he knew or not?
Samantha
05-13-2007, 01:21 PM
So now we have but ANOTHER damn liberal here.... WHERE IN THE FUCK ARE THEY ALL COMING FROM???!!!
This idiot will probably not be back.
Still trying to perpetuate that stale old liberal line of crap. The ONLY one LYING here is YOU.
Obviously you have a reading comprehension problem so there really isnt any point saying anything else.
Don't you know it's alright to lie if it hurts Bush.Obviously you guys would rather have this place all to yourselves.
When exactly did Bush 'declare' the war was over?Mission Accomplished. Ring a bell?
There are not more liberals than conservatives. Go around and listen to people talk at their dinner tables, America is overwhelmingly conservative.
I'll second that....and raise you one...:laugh2:
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
Pathetic.
Dilloduck
05-13-2007, 03:40 PM
Obviously you guys would rather have this place all to yourselves.
Mission Accomplished. Ring a bell?
Pathetic.
Sam--quit looking stupid. In war there are missions after missions after missions. Celebrating the end of ONE mission is a good reward for those involved. It helps morale. It does NOT siginify that there is no more work to be done. This argument falls into the same catergory as not listening to generals. It's BOGUS. And yes-- I would rather be here by myself than hearing liberals repeat the SAME BOGUS ARGUMENTS AD NAUSEUM.
Mr. P
05-13-2007, 03:51 PM
Obviously you guys would rather have this place all to yourselves.
Mission Accomplished. Ring a bell?
Pathetic.
Actually no it doesn't. "Mission" was only said twice in that speech "Mission accomplished" was never spoken. Go fish.
Gaffer
05-13-2007, 05:37 PM
Do you HONESTLY beleive that Bush didn't know the sign was there? or that if he thought it was wrong that it would have remained? Get real.
Of course he knew it was there. I didn't say anything in my post about his not knowing it was there. He knew it was there and took advantage of the photo op. So what.
Well, it seems he addressed the crew along with all service men and he did thank them. How can you deny it?
Well, it seems he addressed the crew along with all service men and he did thank them. How can you deny it?
Quote:
Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans:
Our nation and our coalition are proud of this accomplishment — yet it is you, the members of the United States military, who achieved it.
Thank you for serving our country
Mr. P you wouldn't be trying to pull the wool over my eyes by only posting the part of the speech that you think defends your position and leaving out the rest, now would you?
Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham
Lincoln, my fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In
the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. And now
our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country.
In this battle, we have fought for the cause of liberty, and for the peace
of the world. Our nation and our coalition are proud of this
accomplishment - yet it is you, the members of the United States military,
who achieved it. Your courage - your willingness to face danger for your
country and for each other - made this day possible. Because of you, our
nation is more secure. Because of you, the tyrant has fallen, and Iraq is
free.
Sorry, no matter how you twist it, the banner had nothing to do with them or "their mission"......unless you now want to tell me that the crew on that ship were the only ones fighting in the battle.
The ship and crew were returning home. They had been on an extended tour of duty all ready when the war broke out. Their mission was completed. The flight out there was to thank them for their service. I thought it was a cool thing to do, .
If it was such a cool thing to do......then why didn't he do it?
but then I don't have a blind hatred of Bush.
Yes, because anyone that even questions this administration has a blind hatred for Bush.:salute:
Mr. P
05-13-2007, 07:21 PM
Mr. P you wouldn't be trying to pull the wool over my eyes by only posting the part of the speech that you think defends your position and leaving out the rest, now would you?
Sorry, no matter how you twist it, the banner had nothing to do with them or "their mission"......unless you now want to tell me that the crew on that ship were the only ones fighting in the battle.
Nope i could have posted the entire speech, didn't need to to prove you wrong.
The banner was for the ships mission. You've never been in the military have you? Didn't think so, if you had been you'd understand.
Mr. P
05-13-2007, 07:28 PM
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Yes, because anyone that even questions this administration has a blind hatred for Bush.:salute:
Not so, many here have questioned Bush, including me. If you read the posts instead of just posting bashing Bush BS, you'll see that.
Gaffer
05-13-2007, 08:22 PM
If it was such a cool thing to do......then why didn't he do it?
Why didn't he do what? Fly out there?
Yes, because anyone that even questions this administration has a blind hatred for Bush.:salute:
I question the administration. I am referring to these blind haters we get posting here. everything is Bush's fault no matter what and wanting to undermine everything he does good or bad. Even to the point of undermining our troops in a time of war.
Bush has done a lot of things I don't agree with, but at the same time I am not privy to the information he has and why he made those particular decisions. We have a lot of lib posters here that think the world revolves around hatred of Bush, it's all they can talk about. The federal government is a huge entity. Bush only controls a small portion of it.
Nope i could have posted the entire speech, didn't need to to prove you wrong.
The banner was for the ships mission. You've never been in the military have you? Didn't think so, if you had been you'd understand.
No, I haven't been in the military, but I have listed to tons of Bush's speeches. If that banner was for the ships mission, they would have gotten more than three lines and it wouldn't be brought up 6 months after the speech was made.
Gaffer
05-13-2007, 08:41 PM
No, I haven't been in the military, but I have listed to tons of Bush's speeches. If that banner was for the ships mission, they would have gotten more than three lines and it wouldn't be brought up 6 months after the speech was made.
It was brought up 6 months after the speech was made by the kerry campaign to make Bush look bad.
Not so, many here have questioned Bush, including me. If you read the posts instead of just posting bashing Bush BS, you'll see that.
I think you're seeing me just about like I see you. I think we're both reading into each other's posts what we want to see. I already agreed that the banner and his speech did have partly to do with ousting Sadaam. I just don't agree with the rest of the hype that the banner also has to do with the ship and nothing at all to do with the way it was taken for 6 months, until we found out that the entire Mission was not Accomplished and major battles were not over.
Dilloduck
05-13-2007, 08:44 PM
No, I haven't been in the military, but I have listed to tons of Bush's speeches. If that banner was for the ships mission, they would have gotten more than three lines and it wouldn't be brought up 6 months after the speech was made.
Liberals bring it up to throw in the face of Bush. Smart people have always known the war was FAR from being over.
Gaffer wrote
Why didn't he do what? Fly out there?
Mention the ship's "Mission Accomplished" in his speech.:bang3:
I question the administration. I am referring to these blind haters we get posting here. everything is Bush's fault no matter what and wanting to undermine everything he does good or bad. Even to the point of undermining our troops in a time of war.
Bush has done a lot of things I don't agree with, but at the same time I am not privy to the information he has and why he made those particular decisions. We have a lot of lib posters here that think the world revolves around hatred of Bush, it's all they can talk about. The federal government is a huge entity. Bush only controls a small portion of it.
Well....that's a whole 'nother discussion.
It was brought up 6 months after the speech was made by the kerry campaign to make Bush look bad.
Well then I'm sure you have some proof to back this up, because I have proof that it was asked by a reporter.
.........hey is this reverse Bush bashing and now it turns into Kerry bashing?:laugh2:
Liberals bring it up to throw in the face of Bush. Smart people have always known the war was FAR from being over.
Dilloduck, I don't know about anyone else posting in this thread, I can only speak for what I am posting.........and my posting has been all about people wanting me to belive that the banner was put up a) to say that the mission was accomplished in that we ousted Sadaam, and b) it was to celabrate the ship's mission.
I agree with a...........but not b.
Mr. P
05-13-2007, 08:56 PM
No, I haven't been in the military, but I have listed to tons of Bush's speeches. If that banner was for the ships mission, they would have gotten more than three lines and it wouldn't be brought up 6 months after the speech was made.
Do you know they didn't get more than three lines...Like other than what the media reported, the speech. Bet they did.
Abbey Marie
05-13-2007, 09:04 PM
Lily, if I read you corrrectly, you have a problem with President Bush for making the speech on a ship for what you see as unrelated and opportunistic reasons. True or not, it's a pretty weird thing to get bothered about. All politicans do it. Try to find one that doesn't look for the optimal settings for their speeches.
Gaffer
05-13-2007, 09:10 PM
Well then I'm sure you have some proof to back this up, because I have proof that it was asked by a reporter.
.........hey is this reverse Bush bashing and now it turns into Kerry bashing?:laugh2:
It was brought up by a liberal kerry supporting reporter.
The banner served two purposes, the ousting of saddam and the completion of the ships mission in the gulf.
Dilloduck
05-13-2007, 09:15 PM
It was brought up by a liberal kerry supporting reporter.
The banner served two purposes, the ousting of saddam and the completion of the ships mission in the gulf.
It also celebrated a job well done. Something that a lot of people have a hard time saying to our troops. They have done an AWESOME job that is being overshadowed by political hatred.
Mr. P
05-13-2007, 09:16 PM
I think you're seeing me just about like I see you. I think we're both reading into each other's posts what we want to see. I already agreed that the banner and his speech did have partly to do with ousting Sadaam. I just don't agree with the rest of the hype that the banner also has to do with the ship and nothing at all to do with the way it was taken for 6 months, until we found out that the entire Mission was not Accomplished and major battles were not over.
Jesus read the frigin speech! He never said it was over!
Our mission continues.
The war on terror is not over...
How the hell can you logically connect those dots to equal Bush declared mission accomplished in total? The banner was for the ship! The ships return home after their 'MISSION WAS ACCOMPLISHED'.
Do you know they didn't get more than three lines...Like other than what the media reported, the speech. Bet they did.
Here is the text of the speech. If anything he was thanking them for hosting him.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/01/iraq/main551946.shtml
Mr. P
05-13-2007, 09:24 PM
Here is the text of the speech. If anything he was thanking them for hosting him.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/01/iraq/main551946.shtml
I know the text of the speech. You think he may have addressed the ship without media coverage..Like I said, I'll bet so.
Lily, if I read you corrrectly, you have a problem with President Bush for making the speech on a ship for what you see as unrelated and opportunistic reasons. True or not, it's a pretty weird thing to get bothered about. All politicans do it. Try to find one that doesn't look for the optimal settings for their speeches.
Not at all, Abbey, I know all politicians do it. I can't remember who changed the topic to the banner and that it's only reason there was to celebrate the ship's "Mission Accomplished"........that's what these last pages have been about. I don't agree.........I also have to admit that it has been fun. Other than being called a Bush basher, no names were called and I've learned a few things.
It was brought up by a liberal kerry supporting reporter.
Then I'm sure you will have no problem proving that.
The banner served two purposes, the ousting of saddam and the completion of the ships mission in the gulf.
I've provided a link to his speech. As I've stated, Bush does praise the military for their accomplishments...... If the banner was there to celebrate the ships mission, then please show me where he mentions this accomplishment.
Jesus read the frigin speech! He never said it was over!
I posted the link for the speech........I've read it, many times.
How the hell can you logically connect those dots to equal Bush declared mission accomplished in total?
I never claimed that.
The banner was for the ship! The ships return home after their 'MISSION WAS ACCOMPLISHED'.
Then why not mention it in the speech? This wasn't brought up until 6 weeks later.
I know the text of the speech. You think he may have addressed the ship without media coverage..Like I said, I'll bet so.
Well......until I have proof of that, I'm just going to have to go by what there is proof of, also it doesn't make any sense. He was praising the troops and the job that they did, a mention of this ships great accomplishment and it's service and all of Bush's other speeches where he does do this, just shows me that he didn't.
Dilloduck
05-13-2007, 09:42 PM
I posted the link for the speech........I've read it, many times.
I never claimed that.
Then why not mention it in the speech? This wasn't brought up until 6 weeks later.
Please stop trying to insinuate that this sign was some kind of lie that the Bush administration told.You know full well it never meant that Bush considered the war to be over.
Please stop trying to insinuate that this sign was some kind of lie that the Bush administration told.You know full well it never meant that Bush considered the war to be over.
Dilloduck.........I have never claimed that the banner was put up to say the war was over. I did claim that after it 6 weeks and major battles were still going on, that they used the "excuse" that the banner was put up because the ship's service was over, which is BS.
Mr. P
05-13-2007, 09:52 PM
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Then why not mention it in the speech? This wasn't brought up until 6 weeks later.
I don't know about this 6 weeks later stuff..all political is my guess though. Made-up ya know? He said it because it was on a banner. To bad people really believe that.
I have my focus on the Ship and the speech at the time. What he said, and didn't say..etc. How about you?
Dilloduck
05-13-2007, 09:56 PM
Dilloduck.........I have never claimed that the banner was put up to say the war was over. I did claim that after it 6 weeks and major battles were still going on, that they used the "excuse" that the banner was put up because the ship's service was over, which is BS.
damn---I didn't know you were arguing about silly crap like that--my bad :laugh2:
I don't know about this 6 weeks later stuff..all political is my guess though. Made-up ya know? He said it because it was on a banner. To bad people really believe that.
I have my focus on the Ship and the speech at the time. What he said, and didn't say..etc. How about you?
Sounds like a fair compromise.
Sitarro
05-13-2007, 09:59 PM
Well......until I have proof of that, I'm just going to have to go by what there is proof of, also it doesn't make any sense. He was praising the troops and the job that they did, a mention of this ships great accomplishment and it's service and all of Bush's other speeches where he does do this, just shows me that he didn't.
I watched the landing, I watched the speech and saw the banner. I also saw the looks on the men and women he honored that day by coming to their ship and entrusting his life to their skill at bringing that aircraft onto their carrier. I saw the pride on their faces and the real love for their Commander In Chief. It certainly moved me and I never had the priviledge of serving in the military, just the son of a military man for my first eigteen years before he retired. I talked to my father about it and he too loved what he saw and the man for doing such a great thing, my Mother cried with pride for who that President is. My dad felt that the President was honoring them and the entire Armed Forces in a very unique way and as a pilot himself understood why he did it. Neither he nor I ever thought for a second that the banner meant anything but what it said to the men and women on the ship.
It was the Democrat spin machine that corrupted that day and attempted to ruin it for service people around the world, their mission was NOT accomplished, they failed miserably!
God Bless our men and women who serve and have served our country.:salute:
damn---I didn't know you were arguing about silly crap like that--my bad :laugh2:
Hey......I'll have you know that I've been known to argue which is better...:lol: or :laugh2:
Dilloduck
05-13-2007, 10:04 PM
Hey......I'll have you know that I've been known to argue which is better...:lol: or :laugh2:
Somehow that doesn't surprise me :clap:
I watched the landing, I watched the speech and saw the banner. I also saw the looks on the men and women he honored that day by coming to their ship and entrusting his life to their skill at bringing that aircraft onto their carrier. I saw the pride on their faces and the real love for their Commander In Chief. It certainly moved me and I never had the priviledge of serving in the military, just the son of a military man for my first eigteen years before he retired. I talked to my father about it and he too loved what he saw and the man for doing such a great thing, my Mother cried with pride for who that President is. My dad felt that the President was honoring them and the entire Armed Forces in a very unique way and as a pilot himself understood why he did it. Neither he nor I ever thought for a second that the banner meant anything but what it said to the men and women on the ship.
It was the Democrat spin machine that corrupted that day and attempted to ruin it for service people around the world, their mission was NOT accomplished, they failed miserably!
God Bless our men and women who serve and have served our country.:salute:
Sitarro, while I can appreciate your patriotism, the Democatic spin had nothing to do with the banner being used.........and with that......after hours discussing this.........I'm done.
Mr. P
05-13-2007, 10:05 PM
Dilloduck.........I have never claimed that the banner was put up to say the war was over. I did claim that after it 6 weeks and major battles were still going on, that they used the "excuse" that the banner was put up because the ship's service was over, which is BS.
No one will get through to you I'm afraid, it's not BS. A Navy ship serves many missions in it's life time. The crew changes many times. When one 'mission' is over another begins.
TheStripey1
05-15-2007, 07:20 PM
Well, thank goodness GWB doesn't use the troops as props...
http://thedefeatists.typepad.com/apoplectic/images/asshole_1.jpg
good point...:clap:
Gunny
05-15-2007, 08:38 PM
Yeah...as I said...
As you said ...WHAT? The premise of this thread is bullshit. SO is the premise of your partisan hack remark.
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