Does The US Constitution Matter Anymore?

[red states rule]

That is the cover story TIME ran - and this is what the 2012 election will be all about

To libs, the US Constitution is a road block and a barrier to them transforming America into their liberal utopia

So now we are being told the US Constitution no longer matters. So run the US Constitution thru the shredder and go with liberalism

http://dc-cdn.virtacore.com/2011/06/TIme74-225x300.jpg

[Gaffer]

That is the cover story TIME ran - and this is what the 2012 election will be all about

To libs, the US Constitution is a road block and a barrier to them transforming America into their liberal utopia

So now we are being told the US Constitution no longer matters. So run the US Constitution thru the shredder and go with liberalism

http://dc-cdn.virtacore.com/2011/06/TIme74-225x300.jpg

That's a question that should never be asked.

[LuvRPgrl]

That is the cover story TIME ran - and this is what the 2012 election will be all about

To libs, the US Constitution is a road block and a barrier to them transforming America into their liberal utopia

So now we are being told the US Constitution no longer matters. So run the US Constitution thru the shredder and go with liberalism

http://dc-cdn.virtacore.com/2011/06/TIme74-225x300.jpg

For baseball fans, this will be understandable. The Yankees have a closer, (relief pitcher) named Mariano Rivera, about 5 years ago I started saying he is the GREATEST EVER, BEST CLOSER, RELIEF PITCHER IN HISTORY, BAR NONE, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. NOBODY ELSE EVEN CLOSE.

The pundits, announcers and experts would only say "he is ONE OF THE greatest". Finally, this year they started saying he is simply, "THE BEST EVER",

SAME THING with the COTUS, I have been screaming for years now that it is irrelevant, we no longer operate under it, the idea we do is a sham. Maybe now, some of the experts are beginning to see that.

[red states rule]

It is clear the 2012 election will see libs publicly dismissing the US COnstitution. They will run on being able to twist the US Constitution into a pretzel so it will fit their big government agenda

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[Monkeybone]

Ok, to me that sounded like they were all talking about Rights and such, and nothing to do with the outragous growth of Government.

[revelarts]

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[sybarite]

Our constitution is what makes us the greatest nation on earth. It gives power to the people. Eliminate it, and government will have complete power.

[LuvRPgrl]

Our constitution is what makes us the greatest nation on earth. It gives power to the people. Eliminate it, and government will have complete power.

Welcome to the USA, circa 2011

[Little-Acorn]

We are getting farther and farther from its dictates, certainly. Not unlike a ship that is sailing farther and farter from its harbor, getting to the point where the harbor is difficult to see, and the direction to it is hard to remember.

But the Constitution still matters to the country, just as much as the distant harbor matters to the ship. There may be some people on the ship who think it does not, just as there are people in this country who do not see how the Constitution matters any more. An integral part of freedom, is the freedom to be wrong, stupid, and even self-destructive - a role the leftist fanatics are fulfilling admirably.

Since when does their stupidity and lack of sense, mean that the rest of us are going that way too?

Of course the Constitution still matters. And the majority of the country know that as well as we do. They just still believe matters are well in hand, is the problem.

In an ironic way we should thank the leftist fanatics still in power in some places. They are doing a better job that the rest of us ever could, at waking people up and showing them just how dangerously off track we are getting. They are sealing their own doom - a harvest they will reap over the next three years.

Then the long task of returning the country to its constitutional roots, will be able to move into high gear. THAT is a move that can still fail - the leftist fanatics are not just going to pack up and leave. We must spend most of our attention on THAT, not on whether "the Constitution still matters".

Once the fanatics are out of majorities (a fate they can no longer avoid), the important task becomes restoring the government to the Constitution... not the other way around.

[Gaffer]

They will not go quietly and there is going to be a need to put them down at some point. You can't just turn a rabid dog loose and hope it gets better and leaves others alone.

[LuvRPgrl]

We are getting farther and farther from its dictates, certainly. Not unlike a ship that is sailing farther and farter from its harbor, getting to the point where the harbor is difficult to see, and the direction to it is hard to remember.

But the Constitution still matters to the country, just as much as the distant harbor matters to the ship. There may be some people on the ship who think it does not, just as there are people in this country who do not see how the Constitution matters any more. An integral part of freedom, is the freedom to be wrong, stupid, and even self-destructive - a role the leftist fanatics are fulfilling admirably.

Since when does their stupidity and lack of sense, mean that the rest of us are going that way too?

Of course the Constitution still matters. And the majority of the country know that as well as we do. They just still believe matters are well in hand, is the problem.

In an ironic way we should thank the leftist fanatics still in power in some places. They are doing a better job that the rest of us ever could, at waking people up and showing them just how dangerously off track we are getting. They are sealing their own doom - a harvest they will reap over the next three years.

Then the long task of returning the country to its constitutional roots, will be able to move into high gear. THAT is a move that can still fail - the leftist fanatics are not just going to pack up and leave. We must spend most of our attention on THAT, not on whether "the Constitution still matters".

Once the fanatics are out of majorities (a fate they can no longer avoid), the important task becomes restoring the government to the Constitution... not the other way around.

Ya know, Im a basic optimist. I even have hope for MM :) . But on this issue, I'm very pessimistic. Problem is
THE BASIC purpose of the COTUS is two things, let us know what the federal govt's powers are (and how to run them) and to LIMIT THOSE POWERS.
Unfortunately, every time the feds skate around the COTUS and have another power grab, its something that the STATES very rarely if ever are able to wrangle back.

So, its not like a ship and a port, its more like a plastic tie strap, every time the feds tighten down and make the states power even smaller, it either stays that way, or gets even tighter, the tie strap doesnt go backwards, it doesn't loosen up unless we cut it off all together.

[red states rule]

Wow, now we have the perfect spokesmen for the left on this

I hope he gets to speak at the 2012 Dem convention

Not to mention he shows his hypocrisy in the final paragraph




On Independence Day, I ask you to think about how many freedoms we have and how many we're in danger of losing. Every day, the right wing moralists are trying to chip away at our basic civil liberties. They're trying to restrict women's access to healthcare, strip workers of their ability to earn a living wage and pass laws about who you can marry.

The right wing is fond of saying that freedom isn't free. And they're right. It isn't. We see it in the cost of the lives of brave men and women in uniform. But it's more that. I've said this many times, the freedom on which this country was founded is not the just freedom for the thoughts we love and agree with, it's freedom for the thoughts we hate the most. That too is a cost of freedom which must be paid by everyone.

Today as we pay tribute to the bravery and sacrifices made to build this nation, it is important that we remember the full cost of liberty, and not forget that independence is more readily available when people remain focused on the fullest pursuit of their own happiness rather than condemning the way others pursue theirs.

Larry Flynt.Publisher of Hustler magazine and free speech advocate

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-flynt/reflections-on-independence-day_b_889316.html

[LuvRPgrl]

Wow, now we have the perfect spokesmen for the left on this

I hope he gets to speak at the 2012 Dem convention

Not to mention he shows his hypocrisy in the final paragraph

Seems like God really struck that guy down :)

[SassyLady]

That's a question that should never be asked.

One of the best ways to show whether it still matters is to tell everyone you know to cancel their subscription. I have not read this magazine since 2004.

[red states rule]

Seems like God really struck that guy down :)

Yet he is held in high esteem in the Dem party

Birds of a feather......

[red states rule]

One of the best ways to show whether it still matters is to tell everyone you know to cancel their subscription. I have not read this magazine since 2004.

Alot of people have done just that SL




During the second half of 2009 the magazine saw a 34.9% decline in news stand sales.[10] During the first half of 2010 there was another decline of at least one third in Time magazine sales. In the second half of 2010 Time magazine newsstand sales declined by about 12% to just over 79 thousand copies per week.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_(magazine)

[LuvRPgrl]

That's a question that should never be asked.

why not?

I thought the Constitution encouraged asking questions about our govt.

[Gaffer]

why not?

I thought the Constitution encouraged asking questions about our govt.

The Constitution is designed to control our govt, not raise questions about the Constitution. It's like asking if your hands and feet really matter.

A silly question is one you already know the answer too.

[Gunny]

Our constitution is what makes us the greatest nation on earth. It gives power to the people. Eliminate it, and government will have complete power.

That's kind of the point here. Our government does not operate within the confines of the US Constitution. It ceased to do so when it enslaved sovereign states by force of arms. The states and the people have been powerless since.

[logroller]

Seems like God really struck that guy down :)
A gunman struck him down, not God.


One of the best ways to show whether it still matters is to tell everyone you know to cancel their subscription. I have not read this magazine since 2004.

I'm assume you meant Time magazine, but you posted shortly after a Flynt quote. A bit misleading, but in a funny way.

[revelarts]

That's kind of the point here. Our government does not operate within the confines of the US Constitution. It ceased to do so when it enslaved sovereign states by force of arms. The states and the people have been powerless since.

that was just coercion Gunny. It's used all the time. no problem.

[LuvRPgrl]

The Constitution is designed to control our govt, not raise questions about the Constitution. It's like asking if your hands and feet really matter.

A silly question is one you already know the answer too.

One of the biggest contentions the FF had with King George was if he clampted down on them with his military if the colonies had things bad to say about the king, or if they had protests. Its why they put the free speech thingy in there. You are familiar with that one, right?

You know, the free speech thingy?

[LuvRPgrl]

That's kind of the point here. Our government does not operate within the confines of the US Constitution. It ceased to do so when it enslaved sovereign states by force of arms. The states and the people have been powerless since.

Although I like that it ended slavery, unfortunately it also spelled the end of our nation, ironically.

[LuvRPgrl]

A gunman struck him down, not God.



I'm assume you meant Time magazine, but you posted shortly after a Flynt quote. A bit misleading, but in a funny way.

God works in mysterious ways my son...:;)

[Mike Frank]

You bet it matters, we just need to enforce it.

[Gaffer]

One of the biggest contentions the FF had with King George was if he clampted down on them with his military if the colonies had things bad to say about the king, or if they had protests. Its why they put the free speech thingy in there. You are familiar with that one, right?

You know, the free speech thingy?

Yep and as I stated. It's about controlling the govt. You can say what you want and the govt can't do a thing about it. That's whats meant by free speech. That and the fact the govt must enforce your right of free speech and protect it.

[LuvRPgrl]

Yep and as I stated. It's about controlling the govt. You can say what you want and the govt can't do a thing about it. That's whats meant by free speech. That and the fact the govt must enforce your right of free speech and protect it.

TOMATOE TOMAATO,,,I think we're talking semantics here. You are describing one way to an end, and I'm describing another. But we both arrive at the same conclusion, which is really what matters.

But I disagree with your last statement. I think the gov't is the one we are protected from taking away our free speech, hmmm, I guess that comes down to semantics also.

If I speak out against Bill Gates, and he pays a congressman to pass a law to stop it. That is govt attempting to infringe on my right to free speech.
. But then you can say , it is the govt that prevents that from being legal. So, in essence the govt stops the govt from infringing.

But you would need to include the judiciary as part of govt in that case.

So, Im not sure if I disagree with U or not. :)

[Gaffer]

TOMATOE TOMAATO,,,I think we're talking semantics here. You are describing one way to an end, and I'm describing another. But we both arrive at the same conclusion, which is really what matters.

But I disagree with your last statement. I think the gov't is the one we are protected from taking away our free speech, hmmm, I guess that comes down to semantics also.

If I speak out against Bill Gates, and he pays a congressman to pass a law to stop it. That is govt attempting to infringe on my right to free speech.
. But then you can say , it is the govt that prevents that from being legal. So, in essence the govt stops the govt from infringing.

But you would need to include the judiciary as part of govt in that case.

So, Im not sure if I disagree with U or not. :)

If the judiciary does their job, they would prevent that govt law stopping you from bad mouthing Bill gates. These days I don't think that can be counted on as too many of them are bought and paid for. I really don't have any faith in SCOTUS any more.

We both take a different road and end up at the same place. :thumb:

[gabosaurus]

The Constitution never mattered during the Clinton and Dubya years. Why should it matter now?

[SassyLady]

The Constitution never mattered during the Clinton and Dubya years. Why should it matter now?

Gotta start somewhere or sometime...why not now?

[red states rule]

Gotta start somewhere or sometime...why not now?

Spot on SL

and if Obama should somehoe win in 2012 and would be able to appoint a couple of new USSC Justices, then the US Constitution would be tossed in the dustbin of history

[revelarts]

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Executive order to "help" farmers control their land.
that's in the constitution right?

We are operating off of the fumes of the constitution at this point.

[logroller]

God works in mysterious ways my son...:;)

Not the God I love; too wrathful. Atonement sure, but not torment--that's the devil fuckin with ya.:dev3:

[logroller]

Executive order to "help" farmers control their land.
that's in the constitution right?

We are operating off of the fumes of the constitution at this point.

It's in there--
Article 7. The state economy is the sector of socialist economy under ownership by the whole people; it is the leading force in the national economy. The state ensures the consolidation and growth of the state economy.

http://www.purdue.edu/crcs/itemResources/PRCDoc/pdf/Constitution.pdf

[revelarts]

It's in there--

http://www.purdue.edu/crcs/itemResources/PRCDoc/pdf/Constitution.pdf

Ohhh Yeah that makes sense, the Constitution of China.
I've been thinking that has been the direction for a while. I think the big boys LOOOVE the Chinese Model, Elitist Capitalism, no civil rights and High level of gov't control of the public's lives, and "Coercion" when the public doesn't comply .

[Gaffer]

Ohhh Yeah that makes sense, the Constitution of China.
I've been thinking that has been the direction for a while. I think the big boys LOOOVE the Chinese Model, Elitist Capitalism, no civil rights and High level of gov't control of the public's lives, and "Coercion" when the public doesn't comply .

Its what I have been saying for quite a while now. It's where the elites of this country want to go. Chairman zero needs to take this country down then install himself as supreme leader.