Kathianne
06-19-2011, 11:42 PM
McCain and Lindsay get it wrong, no surprise there. A much better view of where conservatives are and most libertarians for that matter:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/06/20/gop_isolationist_no_just_more_jacksonian.html
June 20, 2011
GOP Isolationist? No, Just More Jacksonian
By Colin Dueck
The Republican presidential candidates' debate last week raised questions as to where the GOP is headed on foreign policy issues. When asked about pressing international matters such as Libya and Afghanistan, the candidates offered a range of answers striking in their variety. Of course, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) can always be counted upon to call for American strategic disengagement globally. But other candidates such as former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) also voiced noted skepticism regarding current U.S. military interventions overseas. Romney suggested that the United States cannot fight "a war of independence for another nation," and offered a rather mixed statement on American efforts in Afghanistan. Bachmann, for her part, laid out a ringing condemnation of the current U.S. intervention in Libya. Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, though absent that night, has said similar things about both Libya and Afghanistan in recent weeks. Of the leading candidates onstage in the debate, only former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty offered a clear defense of existing U.S. military engagements overseas. To be sure, the format was hardly one to allow for lengthy position statements, but what was said did raise a lot of eyebrows. The New York Times went so far as to declare that the debate indicated a "renewed streak of isolationism" within the GOP. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) raised similar concerns on Sunday morning about "an isolationist strain in the Republican Party."
There is no doubt that the rise of the tea party movement, the sweeping nature of President Obama's health care reforms, and the shift in focus to domestic economic issues over the last couple of years has led to a change of emphasis for most Republicans. The GOP is now focused, energized, and united around principles of fiscal and economic conservatism, in opposition to Obama. Naturally this can have a certain spillover effect when it comes to foreign policy. But this hardly makes today's Republicans "isolationist."
The word isolationist is usually used pejoratively, but if it is going to have any sort of practical utility, it ought to mean something specific. Here is a stab at one such definition. Some politicians, journalists, and foreign policy analysts in the United States -- past and present -- have called for the dismantling of most of America's strategic commitments, alliances and bases in Europe, East Asia, and the Middle East. That is a position which might reasonably be called isolationist. Ron Paul embraces that position. There is no indication that any of the other Republican candidates do.
If a desire to disengage quickly from Afghanistan is an indication of isolationism, then it is mainly Democrats and not Republicans who suffer from it. Just last month, the House of Representatives considered a measure to force the rapid withdrawal of U.S. forces from the Afghan conflict. The measure was defeated by only nine votes. Press coverage focused on the fact that some 26 GOP House members voted for rapid American withdrawal -- again, characterized as an indication of growing Republican isolationism. As usual, the real story was elsewhere, in the mass defection of virtually all Democratic House members from their own president's policy. The numbers show that roughly ninety percent of House Republicans voted to stick it out in Afghanistan, while over ninety percent of House Democrats voted to bring the troops home right away. Public opinion polls are less polarized by party but show similar tendencies. A Pew Research Center poll released last week shows 60 percent of Republicans committed to keeping U.S. troops in Afghanistan until the situation in that country stabilizes. Among Democrats, that number is 36 percent. The same might be said on issues of trade: whatever international leadership Obama provides is with the support of Republicans, more than Democrats...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/06/20/gop_isolationist_no_just_more_jacksonian.html
June 20, 2011
GOP Isolationist? No, Just More Jacksonian
By Colin Dueck
The Republican presidential candidates' debate last week raised questions as to where the GOP is headed on foreign policy issues. When asked about pressing international matters such as Libya and Afghanistan, the candidates offered a range of answers striking in their variety. Of course, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) can always be counted upon to call for American strategic disengagement globally. But other candidates such as former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) also voiced noted skepticism regarding current U.S. military interventions overseas. Romney suggested that the United States cannot fight "a war of independence for another nation," and offered a rather mixed statement on American efforts in Afghanistan. Bachmann, for her part, laid out a ringing condemnation of the current U.S. intervention in Libya. Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, though absent that night, has said similar things about both Libya and Afghanistan in recent weeks. Of the leading candidates onstage in the debate, only former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty offered a clear defense of existing U.S. military engagements overseas. To be sure, the format was hardly one to allow for lengthy position statements, but what was said did raise a lot of eyebrows. The New York Times went so far as to declare that the debate indicated a "renewed streak of isolationism" within the GOP. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) raised similar concerns on Sunday morning about "an isolationist strain in the Republican Party."
There is no doubt that the rise of the tea party movement, the sweeping nature of President Obama's health care reforms, and the shift in focus to domestic economic issues over the last couple of years has led to a change of emphasis for most Republicans. The GOP is now focused, energized, and united around principles of fiscal and economic conservatism, in opposition to Obama. Naturally this can have a certain spillover effect when it comes to foreign policy. But this hardly makes today's Republicans "isolationist."
The word isolationist is usually used pejoratively, but if it is going to have any sort of practical utility, it ought to mean something specific. Here is a stab at one such definition. Some politicians, journalists, and foreign policy analysts in the United States -- past and present -- have called for the dismantling of most of America's strategic commitments, alliances and bases in Europe, East Asia, and the Middle East. That is a position which might reasonably be called isolationist. Ron Paul embraces that position. There is no indication that any of the other Republican candidates do.
If a desire to disengage quickly from Afghanistan is an indication of isolationism, then it is mainly Democrats and not Republicans who suffer from it. Just last month, the House of Representatives considered a measure to force the rapid withdrawal of U.S. forces from the Afghan conflict. The measure was defeated by only nine votes. Press coverage focused on the fact that some 26 GOP House members voted for rapid American withdrawal -- again, characterized as an indication of growing Republican isolationism. As usual, the real story was elsewhere, in the mass defection of virtually all Democratic House members from their own president's policy. The numbers show that roughly ninety percent of House Republicans voted to stick it out in Afghanistan, while over ninety percent of House Democrats voted to bring the troops home right away. Public opinion polls are less polarized by party but show similar tendencies. A Pew Research Center poll released last week shows 60 percent of Republicans committed to keeping U.S. troops in Afghanistan until the situation in that country stabilizes. Among Democrats, that number is 36 percent. The same might be said on issues of trade: whatever international leadership Obama provides is with the support of Republicans, more than Democrats...