Screw the law and screw the federal government

[Yurt]

What is it with people????:

Watsonville declared immigrant sanctuary
By Donna Jones
Sentinel Staff Writer
WATSONVILLE — Watsonville proclaimed itself a sanctuary for undocumented workers Tuesday.

The symbolic action came as part of a City Council resolution opposing immigration raids and directing police not to cooperate with federal immigration officials.

But the resolution did not go far enough for some who packed the council chamber to urge city leaders to direct police to notify residents when federal immigration officers come to town.

"I don't think it's such a big thing we're asking to add one clause for the people of Watsonville to be notified," Ramiro Medrano said in a fiery appeal that drew loud applause and chants of "Justicia" from the crowd. "Families are being torn apart. Children are being left without parents. Aren't police supposed to be protecting the people of Watsonville?"

A notification clause would put the police in a difficult position.

Police Chief Terry Medina has taken the position for years that it's not in the best interest of police to enforce federal immigration law because it could prevent otherwise law-abiding illegal immigrants from reporting crime in their neighborhoods.

But Medina said he's also bound by ethical and safety considerations from releasing confidential information provided by other law enforcement agencies. Police need to know, for example, when other agencies are operating in their jurisdictions to avoid dangerous confrontations.

It's also impractical, Medina said, because if federal officials thought he was going to out them, they'd stop calling first.


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law turned upside down (http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2007/May/09/local/stories/01local.htm)

law abiding ILLEGAL aliens.........

[loosecannon]

What is it with people????:

Watsonville declared immigrant sanctuary
By Donna Jones
Sentinel Staff Writer
WATSONVILLE — Watsonville proclaimed itself a sanctuary for undocumented workers Tuesday.

The symbolic action came as part of a City Council resolution opposing immigration raids and directing police not to cooperate with federal immigration officials.

But the resolution did not go far enough for some who packed the council chamber to urge city leaders to direct police to notify residents when federal immigration officers come to town.

"I don't think it's such a big thing we're asking to add one clause for the people of Watsonville to be notified," Ramiro Medrano said in a fiery appeal that drew loud applause and chants of "Justicia" from the crowd. "Families are being torn apart. Children are being left without parents. Aren't police supposed to be protecting the people of Watsonville?"

A notification clause would put the police in a difficult position.

Police Chief Terry Medina has taken the position for years that it's not in the best interest of police to enforce federal immigration law because it could prevent otherwise law-abiding illegal immigrants from reporting crime in their neighborhoods.

But Medina said he's also bound by ethical and safety considerations from releasing confidential information provided by other law enforcement agencies. Police need to know, for example, when other agencies are operating in their jurisdictions to avoid dangerous confrontations.

It's also impractical, Medina said, because if federal officials thought he was going to out them, they'd stop calling first.


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law turned upside down (http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2007/May/09/local/stories/01local.htm)

law abiding ILLEGAL aliens.........

What you prob do not realize is that Watsonville has a majority immigrant population both legal and illegal. IOW they own/are the city council.

[Pale Rider]

Why don't they just cecede that Watsonville is now mexico? You think I'm kidding? That's what's next.

The damn ARMY should go in there and CLEAN HOUSE!!!

[Yurt]

What you prob do not realize is that Watsonville has a majority immigrant population both legal and illegal. IOW they own/are the city council.

Once again you are WRONG. I live less than two hours away. And what you don't know is that non citizens CANT vote. But now my wife can. So unless you are saying that illegals are running a mafia type operation, your post is complete nonsense.

[Baron Von Esslingen]

You completely misread what he said. He never claimed that illegals were running the town, merely that it was a majority immigrant population (both legal and illegal). He also never said that the illegals could vote. You made that jump.

Watsonville is 75% Hispanic. You also appeared to miss the most important part of the City Council's action: it was a "symbolic action" to declare the town a sanctuary. No force of law. Symbolic.

[avatar4321]

What you prob do not realize is that Watsonville has a majority immigrant population both legal and illegal. IOW they own/are the city council.

Doesn't matter. Supremacy clause states that any federal law trumps state law. The councils decisions are unconstitutional.

[diuretic]

Doesn't matter. Supremacy clause states that any federal law trumps state law. The councils decisions are unconstitutional.

But doesn't that rule only apply where laws conflict?

[avatar4321]

But doesn't that rule only apply where laws conflict?

These rules clearly contradict Immigration law.

[Mr. P]

Guess what...

Sanctuary city by state....

Alabama
* Alabaster, AL

Arizona
* Phoenix, AZ

California
* Bell Gardens, CA
* City of Industry, CA
* City of Commerce, CA
* Cypress, CA
* Davis CA
* Diamond Bar, CA
* Downey, CA
* Lakewood, CA
* Los Angeles, CA
* Long Beach, CA
* Lynwood, CA
* Maywood, CA
* Montebello, CA
* National City, CA
* Norwalk, CA
* Paramount, CA
* Pico Rivera, CA
* Sonoma County, CA
* So. Gate, CA
* San Diego, CA
* San Francisco, CA
* Vernon, CA
* Wilmington, CA

Colorado

* Aurora, CO
* Commerce City, CO
* Denver, CO
* Federal Heights, CO
* Fort Collins CO
* Thornton, CO
* Westminster, CO

Connecticut
* Springfield CT (Disputed)

Florida
*

DeLeon Springs, FL
*

Deltona, Fl
* Miami, FL
* Sanford, Fl

Illinois
* Chicago, IL

Massachusetts
* Cambridge, Mass.

Maryland
* Baltmore, MD
* Gaithersburg, MD
* Takoma Park, MD

Minnesota
* Minneapolis, MN
* St. Paul, MN

New Jersey
* Camden, NJ
* Fort Lee, NJ
* Jersey City, NJ
* North Bergen, NJ
* Trenton, NJ
* Union City, NJ
* West New York, NJ

New York
* Bay Shore, NY
* Brentwood, NY
* Central Islip, NY
* Farmingville, NY
* New York City, NY
* Peekskill, NY
* Riverhead, NY
* Shirly/Mastic, NY
* Uniondale, NY
* Westbury, NY

North Carolina
* Charlotte, NC
* Raleigh
* Winston-Salem

Oklahoma
*

Oklahoma City (de facto)
* Tulsa

Oregon
* Portland, OR

Texas
* Austin, TX
* Brownsville, TX
* Denton, Tx
* Dallas, TX
* Ft.Worth, TX
* Houston, TX
* Katy, TX
* Laredo, TX
* Mcallen, TX
* San Antonio, TX [Note: The Sanctuary status of San Antonio is under dispute so OJJPAC is researching the issue.]

Utah
*

Provo, UT
* Salt Lake City, UT

Virginia
*

Fairfax County, VA (?)

Wisconsin

*

Madison, WI

Wyoming

*

Jackson Hole, WY

Additional Notes:

One reader wrote:
Oklahoma City is a sanctuary city de facto. Police officers have been told not to stop any Hispanic for minor traffic violations, because they have a good chance of being illegal and it is a waste of time. The City has not been enforcing City Code if the recipient of the code violation doesn't speak English. And is not attempting to enforce the single-family dwelling laws.

http://www.ojjpac.org/sanctuary.asp

[diuretic]

These rules clearly contradict Immigration law.

Okay, thanks.

[KitchenKitten99]

Police Chief Terry Medina has taken the position for years that it's not in the best interest of police to enforce federal immigration law because it could prevent otherwise law-abiding illegal immigrants from reporting crime in their neighborhoods.

this is the biggest oxymoron I have ever seen...

[Monkeybone]

Indiana
*Winona lake/Warsaw (unofficial)

[CockySOB]

But doesn't that rule only apply where laws conflict?

And since Federal laws criminalize illegal border crossings, any statement by the city council that contradicts those Federal laws violates the Constitution.

[diuretic]

And since Federal laws criminalize illegal border crossings, any statement by the city council that contradicts those Federal laws violates the Constitution.

Thanks Cocky, read you loud and clear :D

[Baron Von Esslingen]

These rules clearly contradict Immigration law.

They aren't rules. They are not even law. It is the sentiment of the governing body to offer sanctuary, a semi-religious concept that has not been clarified by existing laws. It's a gray area despite your attempts to make it black and white. Most of these places are merely telling their local law enforcement that unless the federales are present and taking names don't bother kicking ass. Not every infraction is a federal crime. If it were, then your boy George would have made his puppet congresses pass legislation to fund the increased activity that you are advocating. They didn't and the locals aren't footing the bill if the feds refuse to do so.

[avatar4321]

They aren't rules. They are not even law. It is the sentiment of the governing body to offer sanctuary, a semi-religious concept that has not been clarified by existing laws. It's a gray area despite your attempts to make it black and white. Most of these places are merely telling their local law enforcement that unless the federales are present and taking names don't bother kicking ass. Not every infraction is a federal crime. If it were, then your boy George would have made his puppet congresses pass legislation to fund the increased activity that you are advocating. They didn't and the locals aren't footing the bill if the feds refuse to do so.

They don't have the right or luxary to ignore the Constitution.

[Yurt]

You completely misread what he said. He never claimed that illegals were running the town, merely that it was a majority immigrant population (both legal and illegal). He also never said that the illegals could vote. You made that jump.

Watsonville is 75% Hispanic. You also appeared to miss the most important part of the City Council's action: it was a "symbolic action" to declare the town a sanctuary. No force of law. Symbolic.

Wrong. I just know how to read posts better than you:


What you prob do not realize is that Watsonville has a majority immigrant population both legal and illegal. IOW they own/are the city council.

both/they..