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revelarts
05-11-2011, 02:48 PM
Obama's law professors at Yale and Harvard and a few hundred others are against his treatment of Bradley Manning the ACCUSED wikileaks whistle blower.


Bradley Manning is the soldier charged with leaking US government documents to Wikileaks. He is currently detained under degrading and inhumane conditions that are illegal and immoral.

For nine months, Manning has been confined to his cell for twenty-three hours a day. During his one remaining hour, he can walk in circles in another room, with no other prisoners present. He is not allowed to doze off or relax during the day, but must answer the question “Are you OK?” verbally and in the affirmative every five minutes. At night, he is awakened to be asked again “Are you OK?” every time he turns his back to the cell door or covers his head with a blanket so that the guards cannot see his face. During the past week he was forced to sleep naked and stand naked for inspection in front of his cell, and for the indefinite future must remove his clothes and wear a “smock” under claims of risk to himself that he disputes.

The sum of the treatment that has been widely reported is a violation of the Eighth Amendment’s prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment and the Fifth Amendment’s guarantee against punishment without trial. If continued, it may well amount to a violation of the criminal statute against torture, defined as, among other things, “the administration or application…of… procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality.”

Private Manning has been designated as an appropriate subject for both Maximum Security and Prevention of Injury (POI) detention. But he asserts that his administrative reports consistently describe him as a well-behaved prisoner who does not fit the requirements for Maximum Security detention. The brig psychiatrist began recommending his removal from Prevention of Injury months ago. These claims have not been publicly contested. In an Orwellian twist, the spokesman for the brig commander refused to explain the forced nudity “because to discuss the details would be a violation of Manning’s privacy.”

The administration has provided no evidence that Manning’s treatment reflects a concern for his own safety or that of other inmates. Unless and until it does so, there is only one reasonable inference: this pattern of degrading treatment aims either to deter future whistleblowers, or to force Manning to implicate Wikileaks founder Julian Assange in a conspiracy, or both.

If Manning is guilty of a crime, let him be tried, convicted, and punished according to law. But his treatment must be consistent with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. There is no excuse for his degrading and inhumane pretrial punishment. As the State Department’s P.J. Crowley put it recently, they are “counterproductive and stupid.” And yet Crowley has now been forced to resign for speaking the plain truth.

The Wikileaks disclosures have touched every corner of the world. Now the whole world watches America and observes what it does, not what it says.

President Obama was once a professor of constitutional law, and entered the national stage as an eloquent moral leader. The question now, however, is whether his conduct as commander in chief meets fundamental standards of decency. He should not merely assert that Manning’s confinement is “appropriate and meet[s] our basic standards,” as he did recently. He should require the Pentagon publicly to document the grounds for its extraordinary actions—and immediately end those that cannot withstand the light of day.

Bruce Ackerman
Yale Law School
New Haven, Connecticut

Yochai Benkler
Harvard Law School
Cambridge, Massachusetts
Additional Signers: Jack Balkin, Kwame Anthony Appiah, Alexander M. Capron, Norman Dorsen, Michael W. Doyle, Randall Kennedy, Mitchell Lasser, Sanford Levinson, David Luban, Frank I. Michelman, Robert B. Reich, Kermit Roosevelt, Kim Scheppele, Alec Stone Sweet, Laurence H. Tribe, and more than 250 others.
http://ij-poli-blog.blogspot.com/2011/04/is-bradley-manning-obamas-enemy.html

Gaffer
05-11-2011, 06:11 PM
I explained it to you once before in another post. He's in protective custody and on suicide watch. The checking on him is done every 15 minutes, not 5. That's just an exaggeration to make people like you feel sorry for him. If he doesn't cooperate he can lose things like blankets and clothing as they can be used to harm himself. And by covering up and not allowing guards to see his face they can't be sure he's okay.

Protective custody means no other prisoners around him. He stays in a cell except to be let out one hour a day for excersize. He's also a faggot and has to be kept separate from the other prisoners. This is all standard prison policy. It applies to convicts and those awaiting trial.

gabosaurus
05-11-2011, 06:14 PM
Excellent explanation, Gaffer.

revelarts
05-11-2011, 07:00 PM
His sexual perversion issues are his problem.
Equal protection under the law is everyones problem.
15 minutes everyday, oh ok, that's a lot better than 5. really? I shouldn't feel sorrow for him now?
I was in the hospital and had nurses waking me for medication every night, 3 times a night for 3 days. That was pretty crappy. Every 15 minutes for how many days? I know people who have been in and worked at psych hospitals. Sleep deprivation can make you go nuts. that's a fact.

He's not getting typical treatment for someone in his situation.
I know you don't believe me, the gov't is right. The commander and chief is right how dare we criticize him.
Obama is right, the Military does not do wrong.
whatever

I'll bring more detail later.

Gaffer
05-11-2011, 08:11 PM
His sexual perversion issues are his problem.
Equal protection under the law is everyones problem.
15 minutes everyday, oh ok, that's a lot better than 5. really? I shouldn't feel sorrow for him now?
I was in the hospital and had nurses waking me for medication every night, 3 times a night for 3 days. That was pretty crappy. Every 15 minutes for how many days? I know people who have been in and worked at psych hospitals. Sleep deprivation can make you go nuts. that's a fact.

He's not getting typical treatment for someone in his situation.
I know you don't believe me, the gov't is right. The commander and chief is right how dare we criticize him.
Obama is right, the Military does not do wrong.
whatever

I'll bring more detail later.

I never consider the government is right. And show me any time I have not criticized old stepnfetchit. The military is often wrong. This guy could well be mistreated, but so far, from what I have read he is getting the standard suicide/protective custody treatment everyone else gets. I do suspect he's trying to set up some sort of mistreatment lawsuit or use his treatment as a defense in his trial. I've seen it many times before. It's why the prison system has those procedures in effect. He's not being woke up every 15 minutes, but he is being checked on that often. Again, it would be policy. The policy is to prevent lawsuits.

DragonStryk72
05-11-2011, 09:25 PM
I never consider the government is right. And show me any time I have not criticized old stepnfetchit. The military is often wrong. This guy could well be mistreated, but so far, from what I have read he is getting the standard suicide/protective custody treatment everyone else gets. I do suspect he's trying to set up some sort of mistreatment lawsuit or use his treatment as a defense in his trial. I've seen it many times before. It's why the prison system has those procedures in effect. He's not being woke up every 15 minutes, but he is being checked on that often. Again, it would be policy. The policy is to prevent lawsuits.

Except... he is fighting the suicide watch point, and his shrink agrees that he is not a risk, and said so months ago. So shouldn't it have ended by now?

Gaffer
05-12-2011, 11:00 AM
Except... he is fighting the suicide watch point, and his shrink agrees that he is not a risk, and said so months ago. So shouldn't it have ended by now?

Yes it should have. Actually the shrink is the one that makes the call on suicide watch. It's not up to the prison officials.

fj1200
05-12-2011, 11:19 AM
Isn't all of this a moot point as he would be under the UCMJ?

SassyLady
05-14-2011, 04:31 AM
I explained it to you once before in another post. He's in protective custody and on suicide watch. The checking on him is done every 15 minutes, not 5. That's just an exaggeration to make people like you feel sorry for him. If he doesn't cooperate he can lose things like blankets and clothing as they can be used to harm himself. And by covering up and not allowing guards to see his face they can't be sure he's okay.

Protective custody means no other prisoners around him. He stays in a cell except to be let out one hour a day for excersize. He's also a faggot and has to be kept separate from the other prisoners. This is all standard prison policy. It applies to convicts and those awaiting trial.

I think they should give him his blankets and other stuff and leave him alone for a few days. If he commits suicide ... oh well. Save the government a few dollars.