Obama bin laden killed by american forces [Archive] - Debate Policy

LuvRPgrl

05-01-2011, 10:33 PM

I havent been this excited in a loooong time. Immediately I got a call from Camp pendelton and the marines are celebrating !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thunderknuckles

05-01-2011, 11:09 PM

This is some great news!! However, it also means Obama will be elected to second term in office.

logroller

05-01-2011, 11:28 PM

This is some great news!! However, it also means Obama will be elected to second term in office.

Great news...hell yes. I'd like to buy Obama a beer and shake his hand. But I don't think that equates to a vote.

gabosaurus

05-02-2011, 12:20 AM

Interesting that spokespeople for the Obama administration are taking no credit for the operation.
They give the credit to intelligence officers ("going back 10 years, this didn't start 2 years ago") and military specialists who trained for and pulled off the mission.

Something else that I thought was intriguing was that the White House has stated that the mission was "a unilateral mission by the U.S. military special forces." This statement was issued after the Pakistan government said the attack was a "joint effort between U.S. and Pakistan."

I wonder what the U.S. policy toward Pakistan will be now that it is now that bin Laden was living in a large compound in Abbottabad, which is almost completely comprised of military bases. Meaning bin Laden's presence there was obviously supported by Pakistani govt reps despite their protestations to the contrary.

DragonStryk72

05-02-2011, 12:27 AM

Interesting that spokespeople for the Obama administration are taking no credit for the operation.
They give the credit to intelligence officers ("going back 10 years, this didn't start 2 years ago") and military specialists who trained for and pulled off the mission.

Something else that I thought was intriguing was that the White House has stated that the mission was "a unilateral mission by the U.S. military special forces." This statement was issued after the Pakistan government said the attack was a "joint effort between U.S. and Pakistan."

I wonder what the U.S. policy toward Pakistan will be now that it is now that bin Laden was living in a large compound in Abbottabad, which is almost completely comprised of military bases. Meaning bin Laden's presence there was obviously supported by Pakistani govt reps despite their protestations to the contrary.

Actually, Bin Laden apparently declared war on Pakistan. Not sure where he was going with that one, but they were talking about it on the news leading up to the annoucement from the president on CBS. I doubt Pakistan was supporting them that much as this point.

revelarts

05-02-2011, 12:40 AM

Interesting that spokespeople for the Obama administration are taking no credit for the operation.
They give the credit to intelligence officers ("going back 10 years, this didn't start 2 years ago") and military specialists who trained for and pulled off the mission.

Something else that I thought was intriguing was that the White House has stated that the mission was "a unilateral mission by the U.S. military special forces." This statement was issued after the Pakistan government said the attack was a "joint effort between U.S. and Pakistan."

I wonder what the U.S. policy toward Pakistan will be now that it is now that bin Laden was living in a large compound in Abbottabad, which is almost completely comprised of military bases. Meaning bin Laden's presence there was obviously supported by Pakistani govt reps despite their protestations to the contrary.

It's been well known that Pakistan has been playing all sides against the middle. They have been hide AlQuida and Taliban. As well as drug running/montary support of Taliban and possibly covering for Undercover nuke trading. US Intelligence is well aware of our "ally's" activity.

red states rule

05-02-2011, 03:45 AM

It is great news!!

People in the US are very happy

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Now I am sure there will be some on the left who will not share in the celebration. Why wasn't OBL taken alivethey will ask; or they will moan how this will only piss off the terrorists even more

red states rule

05-02-2011, 03:47 AM

Interesting that spokespeople for the Obama administration are taking no credit for the operation.
They give the credit to intelligence officers ("going back 10 years, this didn't start 2 years ago") and military specialists who trained for and pulled off the mission.

Something else that I thought was intriguing was that the White House has stated that the mission was "a unilateral mission by the U.S. military special forces." This statement was issued after the Pakistan government said the attack was a "joint effort between U.S. and Pakistan."

I wonder what the U.S. policy toward Pakistan will be now that it is now that bin Laden was living in a large compound in Abbottabad, which is almost completely comprised of military bases. Meaning bin Laden's presence there was obviously supported by Pakistani govt reps despite their protestations to the contrary.

Give Obama time Gabby, with his poll numbers and the US economy sinking so low - he will use this good news to try and convince people he is doing a good job

BTW, will you be sending the family of OBL a sympathy card?

revelarts

05-02-2011, 07:41 AM

revelarts

05-02-2011, 08:27 AM

Did I mention get out of Libya,

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Missileman

05-02-2011, 08:58 AM

ABC just reported that Osama's whereabouts have been known for 8 MONTHS. I wonder if all the handwringing fucked up BamBam's golf grip.

LuvRPgrl

05-02-2011, 09:58 AM

Interesting that spokespeople for the Obama administration are taking no credit for the operation.
They give the credit to intelligence officers ("going back 10 years, this didn't start 2 years ago") and military specialists who trained for and pulled off the mission..

Of course let the first piece of bullshit come from you.
Obama's statement to the country was SHOCKINGLY short, but he seriously made sure everyone new that it wass BECAUSE OF HIS DECISION TO MAKE FINDING OBAMA THE TOP PRIORITY OF THE CIA,, that is the reason we caught him.

Hell, I hadnt known that it never left the number one priority status.
Does anyone serioiusly think Bush ever went to the director of the CIA and said, "hey, this Obama guy, he is kinda embarrassing me, so lets take the focus off of him, and lower his priority status, hmmm, lets say, to seven."

DragonStryk72

05-02-2011, 09:59 AM

ABC just reported that Osama's whereabouts have been known for 8 MONTHS. I wonder if all the handwringing fucked up BamBam's golf grip.

knowing where Osama is, and having a clean shot that won't kill innocent civilians are two different things. I'll give him the win on this point, but it still doesn't make up for all the other craptastic moments of the last 3 years

LuvRPgrl

05-02-2011, 10:03 AM

ABC just reported that Osama's whereabouts have been known for 8 MONTHS. I wonder if all the handwringing fucked up BamBam's golf grip.

I think Obama would have absolutely loved it if he could have waited for about another year, but alas, he couldnt wait any longer.

CSM

05-02-2011, 10:07 AM

Obama gave himself plenty of credit in his speech. I am sure we will be reminded constantly between now and the election of his role in this event.

logroller

05-02-2011, 10:11 AM

Sir Evil

05-02-2011, 10:23 AM

Interesting that spokespeople for the Obama administration are taking no credit for the operation.
They give the credit to intelligence officers ("going back 10 years, this didn't start 2 years ago") and military specialists who trained for and pulled off the mission.

:slap:

Such density......

CSM

05-02-2011, 10:27 AM

My concern now is for the men and women of our military still in Iraq and Afghanistan and for my two son in particular who are still there. I have no doubt that those folks are bigger targets for the fanatics now because they are far more accessible for retaliation. Desperate acts by desperate people. Don't get me wrong, I am elated that OBL is dead and would not have it any other way. I also know that OBL being fish food is not the end of it.

revelarts

05-02-2011, 10:41 AM

Ida know about that Rev. How many people did it take to bring down the twin towers? far less than the several thousand still left. The war on terror is far from over; yes we've a significant victory to relish in, which is great and all, but "mission accomplished" is not a sufficient condition to winning the war on terror. I'm all for posturing a withdrawal, diplomacy to unfriendly nations and a false sense of security to the "bad guys", only to crush them with overwhelming force and precision; but dusting off our hands and actually packing it up would be foolish-- AQ is still out there and I would expect desperation to surface in light of this new development. You don't quit taking your anitbiotics because feel better-- you complete the course as planned.

Antibiotics are well known to be over prescribed.

the War on terror is BS log. Yes there are people in the world that hate us.
but the threat is small. 3 wars is like taking Chemo, radiation and blood letting for the flu or cold sore.

Look at the info above again. Look at threat without the ginned up emotional fear that we've gotten for the past 10 years.

200 people Afghanistan/Pakistan , a few thousand world wide.
is that a threat that deserves the treatment proposed?

Pride and inertia seems to be only thing that keeps this thing going. the politicains have no backbone to go against the tide of profits and security bureaucracy.

PostmodernProphet

05-02-2011, 10:58 AM

Obama bin laden killed by american forces

has no one noticed anything unusual about the title of this thread yet?.....

Little-Acorn

05-02-2011, 11:36 AM

I wasn't listening to news last night, first I heard of it was this morning driving to work.

This one goes in Barack Obama's column. Congratulations, Mr. President, on a job well done, and thank you for keeping after it and making it the priority you did. You have benefitted your country in an upright an honorable way.

It's true that these policies were started under George Bush, but Obama has been CinC for more than two years now, and he could have changed things, chosen a different course, etc. The fact that he didn't, was not by chance. Obama deliberately decided to maintain this course and put whatever adjustments in place, that were needed to keep our troops on course toward this satisfactory conclusion.

Obama gets, and deserves, the credit for this one. Kudoes for what you did, Mr. President, and my thanks and congratulations to the troops who supported and carried out this mission, all the way up the chain of command to the very top.

logroller

05-02-2011, 03:04 PM

Antibiotics are well known to be over prescribed.

the War on terror is BS log. Yes there are people in the world that hate us.
but the threat is small. 3 wars is like taking Chemo, radiation and blood letting for the flu or cold sore.

Look at the info above again. Look at threat without the ginned up emotional fear that we've gotten for the past 10 years.

200 people Afghanistan/Pakistan , a few thousand world wide.
is that a threat that deserves the treatment proposed?

Pride and inertia seems to be only thing that keeps this thing going. the politicains have no backbone to go against the tide of profits and security bureaucracy.

You're entitled to your opinion Rev, but I'd choose my battles wisely. Terrorism, I prefer to be waged outside the US, and I think America, as a whole, agrees: financial interests are out-weighed by those of security. If they coincide, meaning profits benefit from this security interests, so be it-- I'd invest in my security 99% of the time.

LuvRPgrl

05-02-2011, 07:40 PM

This is some great news!! However, it also means Obama will be elected to second term in office.

I think by the time the election gets here, any mojo he got from this, will long be gone, people wallets will be a much more important isssue at that time.

Kathianne

05-02-2011, 07:48 PM

I think by the time the election gets here, any mojo he got from this, will long be gone, people wallets will be a much more important isssue at that time.

As I said elsewhere, think this is some part of a bigger thing. With that said, think the election will be all about the economy. Period.

LuvRPgrl

05-02-2011, 07:50 PM

I wasn't listening to news last night, first I heard of it was this morning driving to work.

This one goes in Barack Obama's column. Congratulations, Mr. President, on a job well done, and thank you for keeping after it and making it the priority you did. You have benefitted your country in an upright an honorable way.

It's true that these policies were started under George Bush, but Obama has been CinC for more than two years now, and he could have changed things, chosen a different course, etc. The fact that he didn't, was not by chance. Obama deliberately decided to maintain this course and put whatever adjustments in place, that were needed to keep our troops on course toward this satisfactory conclusion.

Obama gets, and deserves, the credit for this one. Kudoes for what you did, Mr. President, and my thanks and congratulations to the troops who supported and carried out this mission, all the way up the chain of command to the very top.

Its pretty well known that our enemies abroad generally consider Rep administrations more of a threat to them, than Dem administrations.

Under Johnson, the N vietnamese did fairly well, under Nixon, we basically kicked their asses all the way back to the north DMZ line until they agreed to a peace agreement,

The Americans held hostage by Iran, were there for a long time, until Reagan took office, then suddenly the Iranians were willing to negotiate a settlement.

Until about 4 years ago, this compound didnt even exist. Everyone knew Bush couldnt be Pres much longer, is it coincidence that Osama suddenly feels ok with buillding a permanent residence for himself? Is it coincidence that what wound up leading to his final demize was that he stopped the continual moving around and settled into one location for several years? It took 9 months that he was living in a situation where he didnt feel his location and life were threatened.

Also, had the liberals had their way, and Guantanimo bay had been closed, the tip we got from one of the detainees may never have come.

Kathianne

05-02-2011, 07:53 PM

I've read multiple sources saying 6 years, not 4. But with that exception, agree.

avatar4321

05-02-2011, 09:09 PM

This is some great news!! However, it also means Obama will be elected to second term in office.

It means nothing of the sort.

red states rule

05-03-2011, 03:53 AM

BTW, does anyone remember the lack of glee when the US killed the then #2 man in AQ when Bush was President?

There was no joy - only more anti war crap coming from the left and their supporters in the liberal media

While the killing of Osama bin Laden is a moment for all patriotic Americans to show pride, it's not hard to guess that the media's reception of the news would have been less positive if it had occurred in the Bush years -- and imagine if it had happened at a politically sensitive time (right before the 2006 midterms, or anywhere in the 2008 presidential cycle).

In our 2006 Special Report on cable news coverage of Iraq, we laid out how the killing of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the head of al-Qaeda in Iraq, was celebrated on Fox News, but CNN and MSNBC went looking for ways to keep up the negative tone even with the most positive news:

Over on CNN that same day, while the anchors and reporters generally heralded the successful strike on Zarqawi as good news, the network introduced some decidedly pessimistic themes. Afternoon anchor Kyra Phillips brought aboard journalist and author Nir Rosen, and asked him whether he thought Zarqawi’s death would make much of a difference: "From what I understand, you think we’re going a bit overboard with this coverage and he’s not as big a fish as everyone is making him out to be?" Rosen agreed, then launched into a deeply pessimistic analysis after Phillips asked him about the formation of the new government:

There’s no good news in Iraq. There’s no corner that’s been turned, there’s no milestone. The civil war began intensively in 2005, and it’s continuing. This ethnic cleansing, Sunnis from Shia neighborhoods, Shias being expelled from Sunni neighborhoods, dead bodies on the street every day, tortured and killed because they’re Sunni or because they’re Shia. Events inside the Green Zone just don’t really matter....The Green Zone is just a theater for people outside of Iraq. The militias are on the street in Iraq. They are the ones killing each other every day. And I just feel very depressed and hopeless. I think the civil war is going to intensify.

While most Americans were presumably taking a moment to celebrate the death of Zarqawi, or at least appreciate the efforts of the U.S. military in eliminating the vicious terrorist, CNN and MSNBC continued with their more pessimistic agenda. CNN featured two reports on the already much-covered Haditha allegations; a piece by senior correspondent John Roberts closed with a hyperbolic quote from Dartmouth College’s Aine Donovan: "If Haditha proves true, it will be, unfortunately and very sadly, the most memorable episode of this war."

Over on MSNBC, the network took time away from covering the breaking news of Zarqawi’s death to feature positive profiles of United States military deserters, highlighting their claims that the Iraq war is immoral. Anchor Melissa Stark attempted to smoothly transition between the contrary subjects: "On this very successful day for the U.S. military with the killing of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, one U.S. soldier is refusing to deploy to Iraq. Army First Lieutenant Ehren Watada believes the Iraq war is morally wrong and a breach of American law." Reporter Tim Haas claimed Watada has "become the new face of the anti-war movement."

There is still the possibility that anti-war stalwarts in the press will still lament the violence against Osama bin Laden. Also in 2006, Washington Post cultural critic Philip Kennicott lamented the celebration of Zarqawi's death in an essay headlined The headline: "A Chilling Portrait, Unsuitably Framed." Kennicott found a framed picture of Zarqawi's dead face "bizarre." He lamented that the reaction was cheers from the war supporters, and intimidation of the anti-war crowd, that they had to cheer, too.

Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2011/05/02/rewind-bush-years-killing-iraqi-al-qaeda-leader-zarqawi-greeted-media-sc#ixzz1LHGtKPQ6

LuvRPgrl

05-03-2011, 10:16 AM

I've read multiple sources saying 6 years, not 4. But with that exception, agree.

I heard the compound is 5 years old, but figuring it took some time to builld and get it up and going, it wasnt a small thing, it was a million dollar compound and they dont go up overnight, but I will agree the exact number of years, I dont know at this time, but it pretty much lines up that the place was built in the final years of the Bush admin.

logroller

05-03-2011, 11:22 AM

I heard the compound is 5 years old, but figuring it took some time to builld and get it up and going, it wasnt a small thing, it was a million dollar compound and they dont go up overnight, but I will agree the exact number of years, I dont know at this time, but it pretty much lines up that the place was built in the final years of the Bush admin.

You know, in your thread on freedomVSsafety, I had predicted OBL would lose the battle less than a week ago-- I think I deserve the credit:laugh2:

gabosaurus

05-03-2011, 12:06 PM

Interesting story about how the raid of conceived and carried out.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-bin-laden-raid-20110503,0,7256223,full.story

Kathianne

05-03-2011, 12:24 PM

I heard the compound is 5 years old, but figuring it took some time to builld and get it up and going, it wasnt a small thing, it was a million dollar compound and they dont go up overnight, but I will agree the exact number of years, I dont know at this time, but it pretty much lines up that the place was built in the final years of the Bush admin.

Related:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/05/source-us-government-believes-pakistan-compound-was-built-specifically-for-bin-laden.html

Source: US Government Believes Pakistan Compound was Built Specifically for Bin Laden

May 03, 2011 9:31 AM

Sources tell ABC News that administration officials believe Osama bin Laden had been living at the Abbottabad, Pakistan compound for years, with one senior administration source even suggesting the compound was specifically built in 2005 for the al Qaeda leader.

That this compound was constructed in the neighborhood of former Pakistani military officials and a local military academy is of course calling into question the participation of the local – if not national – government.

“It’s inconceivable that bin Laden did not have a support system in the country that allowed him to remain there for an extended period of time,” said White House counterterrorism adviser John Brennan on Monday.

Brennan said the Obama administration was “pursuing all leads in this issue.”

...

red states rule

05-03-2011, 04:34 PM

Interesting story about how the raid of conceived and carried out.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-bin-laden-raid-20110503,0,7256223,full.story

Amazing how liberals want to forget what they said about the US military during the Bush years

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But as usual, the left was wrong

Like every good tale, there is some truth to it. The Joint Special Operations Command, or JSOC, does participate in the black operations hunt for al Qaeda and other terrorist groups' leaders. This is done in conjunction with the CIA's Special Activities Division. There is little secrecy about this, just read Jawbreaker or this article by Bob Woodward from back in November of 2001.

But to claim that JSOC does not "report to anybody, except in the Bush-Cheney days, they reported directly to the Cheney office," or that "Congress has no oversight of it" is just false. JSOC was established in 1980 after the failed mission to rescue the hostages at the U.S. embassy in Iran. JSOC is a component command of the U.S. Special Operations Command, which reports to the Secretary of Defense. JSOC, like the CIA, certainly falls under congressional oversight.

Hersh has made a living of making fantastic claims that don't quite live up to the hype. Chalk this one up as another Hersh fantasy.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/03/more_conspiracy_theories_from_1.asp

red states rule

05-03-2011, 05:48 PM

More from the far left loons at MSNBC. These people cannot get over their hate for Pres Bush and VP Cheney

They want to ignore Obama has kept most of the polices form the Bush administration when it comes to the war on terror

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svnt

05-03-2011, 08:17 PM

I for one have not really believed he was alive for the past 9 years. Nor have I taken seriously the multiple occasions on which his image was trotted out to extend a propaganda campaign whose core meaning was that we are in another permanent state of war.

Nor can I entirely discount that Osama wasn't an agent of the CIA not only during the Soviet/Afghan war but in the aftermath including the era pre and post 9/11.

I can't even entirely discount that even if he was a rogue agent acting against the US and fully responsible for 9/11 that we didn't strike a deal with him to arrange a truce. Hence myriad actions in which we capitulated to his 9/11 demands (abandoning our Saudi airbases, removing the secular Saddam from power and continuing to do business with the Bin Laden family their associates and their peers) and the fact that we basically followed the script he wrote for us, voluntarily bankrupting both our nation and our military by engaging in permanent war on two fronts in the ME as well as rolling back many of our own civil liberties at home, carving the meat from the bones of what were once our great national traditions of liberty, self evident rights esp those of privacy.

Hell I am not even convinced that Bin Laden, or even Al Q were responsible for 9/11. 9/11 could have been brought to us by the same folks who conned us into Vietnam with covert ops, killed both the Kennedys, and make it an open secret that "the truth" is classified and kept from the US public as a hard and fast rule, while the official story, or "History", is manufactured for us because TPTB have long since decided that we the people can't handle the truth.

Now even assuming that every sentence I just wrote was pure BS......well I still can't find any reason why we would celebrate the death of this peasant, Bin Laden.

If he was the mastermind of 9/11, why was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed so special? Were there two masterminds of the 9/11 attacks?

And have either of them masterminded any other attacks since?

Why is OBL important now when he wasn't important during the Bush presidency(Bush said so himself) http://articles.latimes.com/2004/oct...ion/na-osama14 .

Is OBL just a political prop hauled out by Obama to grease the skids of his re-election machine while justifying his three front wars in the ME?

And why is the man who orchestrated the death of Bin Laden (Panetta) being advanced to Sec Def just days before the announcement of OBL death and just days after OBL was actually killed?

Why was the mission designed to kill, not capture, OBL while Obama's own address specifically stated otherwise?

Let's not even delve into the convenient aspects of the body being fed to the fishes before the public was even made aware of his assassination.

Me, ... ... I think I would have preferred his head on a stick. Habeas corpus ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus ). But I am old fashioned that way.

red states rule

05-03-2011, 08:24 PM

red states rule

05-03-2011, 08:46 PM

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gm11050320110503070136.jpg

LuvRPgrl

05-04-2011, 01:07 PM

Did your time at the public library computer run out or something, cuz this post doesnt seem complete.

Im sure you will finish it tomorrow so we can all understand what it is exactly that you are trying to say

I for one have not really believed he was alive for the past 9 years. Nor have I taken seriously the multiple occasions on which his image was trotted out to extend a propaganda campaign whose core meaning was that we are in another permanent state of war.

Nor can I entirely discount that Osama wasn't an agent of the CIA not only during the Soviet/Afghan war but in the aftermath including the era pre and post 9/11.

I can't even entirely discount that even if he was a rogue agent acting against the US and fully responsible for 9/11 that we didn't strike a deal with him to arrange a truce. Hence myriad actions in which we capitulated to his 9/11 demands (abandoning our Saudi airbases, removing the secular Saddam from power and continuing to do business with the Bin Laden family their associates and their peers) and the fact that we basically followed the script he wrote for us, voluntarily bankrupting both our nation and our military by engaging in permanent war on two fronts in the ME as well as rolling back many of our own civil liberties at home, carving the meat from the bones of what were once our great national traditions of liberty, self evident rights esp those of privacy.

Hell I am not even convinced that Bin Laden, or even Al Q were responsible for 9/11. 9/11 could have been brought to us by the same folks who conned us into Vietnam with covert ops, killed both the Kennedys, and make it an open secret that "the truth" is classified and kept from the US public as a hard and fast rule, while the official story, or "History", is manufactured for us because TPTB have long since decided that we the people can't handle the truth.

Now even assuming that every sentence I just wrote was pure BS......well I still can't find any reason why we would celebrate the death of this peasant, Bin Laden.

If he was the mastermind of 9/11, why was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed so special? Were there two masterminds of the 9/11 attacks?

And have either of them masterminded any other attacks since?

Why is OBL important now when he wasn't important during the Bush presidency(Bush said so himself) http://articles.latimes.com/2004/oct...ion/na-osama14 .

Is OBL just a political prop hauled out by Obama to grease the skids of his re-election machine while justifying his three front wars in the ME?

And why is the man who orchestrated the death of Bin Laden (Panetta) being advanced to Sec Def just days before the announcement of OBL death and just days after OBL was actually killed?

Why was the mission designed to kill, not capture, OBL while Obama's own address specifically stated otherwise?

Let's not even delve into the convenient aspects of the body being fed to the fishes before the public was even made aware of his assassination.

Me, ... ... I think I would have preferred his head on a stick. Habeas corpus ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus ). But I am old fashioned that way.