TSA wands/pats children AFTER trip at train station

[revelarts]

I like to imagine that we still got a chance to get the country back but man crap like this make me think , just forget it.
people don't care, we lay down for every stupid thing in the name of safety.
America had some some good points I'll miss it.

My problem is i can't fake obedience to stupid authority anymore.


http://gizmodo.com/#!5768805/tsa-harasses-9+yo-boy-and-other-train-passengers-after-their-trip

I get some comfort from the replys after the gizmodo post but others just confirm my suspicions of to many americans, "WHAT"S the BIG DEAL its JUST A PAT DOWN?"
with implied --don't hold up the line, you must be doing something wrong if you won't stop for a pat down.--


PS
TSA are At
Planes , Trains And Buses now. So how are we to avoid them now? @ those who told us "just don't fly if you don't like it." drive everywhere? don't worry they'll cover that soon enough probably.

[fj1200]

Since when is the TSA in train stations? I thought that was the great thing about trains... no patdowns.

[Gaffer]

Something doesn't smell right about this report.

[revelarts]

FJ, Sure the gov't told us that we wouldn't get unconstitutional pat downs anywhere else but airlines but, they lied.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/130549-next-step-for-body-scanners-could-be-trains-boats-and-the-metro-




Next step for tight security could be trains, boats, metro
By Jordy Yager - 11/23/10 02:09 PM ET

Editor's note: This story and its headline have been clarified to show that the Department of Homeland Security has not indicated it plans to use body scanners to tighten security at transportation sites beyond airports.

The next step in tightened security could be on U.S. public transportation, trains and boats.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano says terrorists will continue to look for U.S. vulnerabilities, making tighter security standards necessary.

“[Terrorists] are going to continue to probe the system and try to find a way through,” Napolitano said in an interview that aired Monday night on "Charlie Rose."

“I think the tighter we get on aviation, we have to also be thinking now about going on to mass transit or to trains or maritime. So, what do we need to be doing to strengthen our protections there?”...

...Napolitano said she hoped the U.S. could get to a place in the future where Americans would not have to be as guarded against terrorist attacks as they are and that she was actively promoting research into the psychology of how a terrorist becomes radicalized.

“The long-term [question] is, how do we get out of this having to have an ever-increasing security apparatus because of terrorists and a terrorist attack?” she said. “I think having a better understanding of what causes someone to become a terrorist will be helpful."

DHS and intelligence officials are not as far along in understanding that process as they would like, Napolitano said, adding that until that goal is reached, steps need to be put in place to ensure the public’s safety.

“We don’t know much,” she said. “If you were to try and devise a template about what connects this terrorist to this terrorist and how they were raised and what schools they went to and their socioeconomic status, or this or that, it’s all over the map.

“I think there’s some important work that’s being done on that but … the Secretary of Homeland Security cannot wait for that.”


http://www.wesh.com/r/22594445/detail.html


TSA Holds Security Checks At Orlando Train Station
Agents Confiscate Box Cutter From Passenger

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Transportation Security Administration officers conducted security checks at the Amtrak train station in Downtown Orlando on Wednesday.

The checks involved bomb-sniffing dogs, an explosive trace detection machine and behavior detection officers. In addition, luggage was checked with portable X-ray machines.

Although federal law requires 100 percent screening of luggage and passengers at airports, security is not as stringent on other modes of transportation. Authorities said TSA, along with other agencies, periodically conducts checks at train and bus stations.

"You always come across things," said John Daly, federal security director. "For example, at a Greyhound terminal last week, we had folks actually boarding buses trying to bring machetes, handguns and knives on buses, which is a potential threat to the security of passengers."

Some passengers said they were relieved to see security agents patrolling the station.

"I was happy to see it," said one passenger, whose purse was checked.

On Wednesday, TSA agents confiscated a box cuter a plumber had in his tool kit. Authorities said they have done 12 security checks at train and bus stations in the last six months in central Florida. ...

Homeland Security division at 30th Street Station, Philadelphia PA
http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/stories/2006/07/03/daily10.html?from_rss=1


Chicago
http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-chicago/tsa-officers-will-patrol-metra-trains#ixzz1FArCnHXr

TSA officers will patrol Metra trains

* July 1st, 2009 11:14 pm CT

If you are a Metra train rider, you will be noticing very soon an influx of uniform federal TSA officers patrolling the trains.

Metra will have Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response (VIPR) teams on all 11 train lines. This step-up security is due in part to the 2004 train bombing in Madrid.

The TSA officers will not be performing any searches with the exception of this Friday when VIPR teams are expected to search for alcohol at the downtown terminals.

Metra representative Judy Pardonnet stated, “The primary function of the TSA is to serve as a physical deterrent, they are there to observe and to make sure there isn’t anything suspicious on board.”

Continue reading on Examiner.com: TSA officers will patrol Metra trains - Chicago Law Enforcement | Examiner.com


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[Nukeman]

They do realize all it takes is a credit card to get a car rental don't they!?!?!? How much longer before you have to have a pat down at the rental place??? F###ing idiots!!!!

[revelarts]

Gaffer your right something doesn't smell right, it's the TSA.

the person who took the video is a fire fighter and travel agent.
he talks about what happened.


http://news.travel.aol.com/2011/02/28/why-did-tsa-pat-down-kids-adults-getting-off-train/?icid=maing|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk2|47402

A Florida firefighter says he couldn't believe it when Transportation Security Administration (TSA) agents gave "intrusive" pat-downs to passengers including kids getting off an Amtrak train in Savannah, Georgia earlier this month.

Lt. Brian Gamble, 38, of Leesburg, Florida, posted video of the incident on YouTube. And the TSA is now apologizing.

Gamble, who also works part-time as a travel agent, tells AOL Travel News he was bringing a small group that included other firefighters and policemen to Savannah for a Valentine's Day getaway. They were among 30 or 40 people getting off the train when he says TSA officers ordered everyone into the terminal.

"They sent us all into a roped-off holding area and said 'Y'all are going to be searched,'" Gamble says. "We were getting off the train. This didn't make sense."

Once in the area, the group was guarded while TSA officers began doing what Gamble says were "intrusive" pat-downs.

When he saw a family with young kids in the lineup, he took out his camera and started filming. He does not know the identity of the family.

"They were in front of us. They (the TSA agents) started lifting their shirts and wanding them."

Gamble's wife, Traci, 38, and a female friend were also searched and he says female TSA officers made them lift their shirts up to their midriffs and patted their bras.

"One guy went through (Traci's) hand luggage and smelled her perfume and made comments about it smelling good. It was just not professional. It was just weird," Gamble says.

"My wife was livid," he adds. "We thought this is silly, we are being harassed by the TSA."

Nearing the front of the line for his own search, Gamble complained to a TSA supervisor but says he was told to calm down. "They wouldn't give us an explanation for the search."

Meanwhile, the passengers' luggage was sitting on the train platform. So the fireman waved over an officer from the Georgia State Patrol to point that out.

"I explained what was going on, he left for a few minutes and then came back and took six of us in our group and said 'Sorry about that, go get your luggage, you're good to go.'"

Gamble says he would have had no problem with such a search happening on a train, "But getting off the train, that was kind of backwards."

With Gamble's video gaining steam on the Internet, the TSA took to its blog over the weekend to explain what happened.

The TSA's Blogger Bob writes that what the Savannah train passengers encountered is known as a VIPR operation, a randomized search "where anyone entering an impacted area has to be screened."

Such searches – involving federal, state and local law enforcement – were stepped up in 2004 in the wake of the Madrid train bombings in which 181 people were killed, and happen around the country on a regular basis, the TSA says.

"In this case, the Amtrak station was the subject of the VIPR operation so people entering the station were being screened for items on the Amtrak prohibited items list as seen in the video," Blogger Bob writes.

But Bob adds the TSA learned the VIPR operation in Savannah "should have ended by the time these folks were coming through the station since no more trains were leaving the station. We apologize for any inconvenience we may have caused for those passengers."

The TSA says the passengers did not have to go into the terminal to leave the station. But Gamble says the TSA agents didn't give them a choice.

"Their apology is kind of lame," he says. "I thought this whole thing was very unprofessional and very shady."

the same story a few more details here.

http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/2011/03/tsa-pat-down-savannah-train-video-full.html

[revelarts]

TSA now wants more preflight info, gender and date of birth. so they will now check 100% of passengers against their Million plus faulty terrorist list.
For your safety.

Gov't controled travel in the U.S.A phase 1 is here. your papers please.

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[revelarts]

older Autistic man goes thorugh scanner then told to that TSA are not satisfied. the man ends up with this pants around his ankles in public.

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[revelarts]

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no words

[KitchenKitten99]

There's no way I will allow someone with a triple-digit income and a double-digit IQ touch my children in the name of 'Homeland Security'.

[DragonStryk72]

This goes back to the point that somehow, the government seems to believe that they can protect us from every evil in the world. The problem with this, and I do understand this may be an unpopular opinion, is this: We will never be safe from terrorists, are not now, and have never been.

The fact is that when you a determinedly insane group that has decided that they are willing to die to kill their ever-expanding "enemies", there's not much you can do. Okay, let's say we stopped them from getting on planes, trains, boats and busses, but why can't they just start detonating airports, train stations, ports and bus stations?

We are far better served by the tactic of having an armed federal marshall on each plane, train, bus and boat who is dressed plain clothes to deal with any incidents that do arise, than by all these other methods we are using that only serve to increase the overall fear factor, and violate thousands of innocent people for nothing.

[LuvRPgrl]

I like to imagine that we still got a chance to get the country back but man crap like this make me think , just forget it.
people don't care, we lay down for every stupid thing in the name of safety.
America had some some good points I'll miss it.

My problem is i can't fake obedience to stupid authority anymore.


http://gizmodo.com/#!5768805/tsa-harasses-9+yo-boy-and-other-train-passengers-after-their-trip

I get some comfort from the replys after the gizmodo post but others just confirm my suspicions of to many americans, "WHAT"S the BIG DEAL its JUST A PAT DOWN?"
with implied --don't hold up the line, you must be doing something wrong if you won't stop for a pat down.--


PS
TSA are At
Planes , Trains And Buses now. So how are we to avoid them now? @ those who told us "just don't fly if you don't like it." drive everywhere? don't worry they'll cover that soon enough probably.

Wow, that's scary. Are those tsa idiots that stupid?
I also hate how they were searching the handbags, going thru and pulling out and inspecting every little item. Its sickening.
The one guy had some small object in his hands for a long time,
It is seriously an invasion of privacy.
Since they were already off the train, why didn't they tell the TSA to fuck off? I would have, "Fuck you man, FUck you" (and Im a Christian HAHAHA)

But seriously, what could the TSA do? Tell them they can't ride the train?

This is seriously out of control, you are absolutely right.

[revelarts]

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4 year old boy with leg braces. just learning to walk and unable to walk without them told to remove them and "walk" though anyway.

the story keeps saying the Father is a police man as if that should have made a difference.

TSA apologizes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0EzFOti1ZU&NR=1&feature=fvwp

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another 4 year old terrorist suspect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlr2pKEf0UE&feature=related


Former TSA Air marshal... on watch list. Probing his e-mail
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Here a TSA plays a "Joke" on a college student by planting a bag of white powered in her carry on "finding it" and asking her to explain it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3ddzcCcuF8&feature=related

[revelarts]

Terrorist Former Miss USA 2003 in tears after being molested by TSA.

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[revelarts]

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guys mom in tears over TSA grope

[LuvRPgrl]

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guys mom in tears over TSA grope

looks like the TSA is trying to terrorize people into not flying.

[Gaffer]

"A civilian defense force, as well funded and equipt as the military"....hmmmmm.

[revelarts]

Gaffer ....that security force you mentioned , but you were quoting President Obama, Hmmmm

TSA Now Storming Public Places 8,000 Times a Year

...A news report by ABC Action News in Tampa showed passengers being given the signature pat downs Americans are used to watching the Transportation Security Administration screeners perform at our airports. Canine teams sniffed their bags and the buses they rode. Immigration officials hunted for large sums of cash as part of an anti-smuggling initiative.

The TSA clearly intends for these out-of-nowhere swarms by its officers at community transit centers, bus stops and public events to become a routine and accepted part of American life.

The TSA has conducted 8,000 of these security sweeps across the country in the past year alone, TSA chief John Pistole told a Senate committee June 14. They are part of its VIPR (Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response) program, which targets public transit related places.

All of which is enough to make you wonder if we are watching the formation of the “civilian national security force” President Obama called for on the campaign trail “that is just as powerful, just as strong and just as well funded” as the military.

The VIPR swarm on Wednesday, the TSA’s largest so far, was such a shocking display of the agency’s power that it set the blogosphere abuzz.

In a massive flex of muscle most people didn’t know the TSA had, the agency led dozens of federal and state law enforcement agencies in a VIPR exercise that covered three states and 5,000 square miles. According to the Marietta Times, the sweep used reconnaissance aircraft and “multiple airborne assets, including Blackhawk helicopters and fixed wing aircraft as well as waterborne and surface teams.”

When did the TSA get this powerful? Last year, Pistole told USA Today he wanted to “take the TSA to the next level,” building it into a “national-security, counterterrorism organization, fully integrated into U.S. government efforts.”...
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/06/tsa_now_storming_public_places_8000_times_a_tear.h tml


We're in a heap of trouble folks,
Whatever candidates you support they need to be CLEAR that they will nip this BS in the bud.

[CSM]

I wonder if they will issue the TSA agents white body armor?

[revelarts]

I Hope they never get a chance to execute order 666

[fj1200]

When did the TSA get this powerful? Last year, Pistole told USA Today he wanted to “take the TSA to the next level,” building it into a “national-security, counterterrorism organization, fully integrated into U.S. government efforts.”...
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/06/tsa_now_storming_public_places_8000_times_a_tear.h tml

Nothing like a bit of mission creep.

[revelarts]

An elderly woman in the late-stages of leukemia was forced to undergo 45 minutes of additional screenings last Saturday when she tried to board a flight out of Northwest Florida Regional Airport, her daughter told FoxNews.com


Told she must change her diapers?!!



Lena Reppert, 95, was to say her final goodbyes to her daughter before she made what would most likely be her last flight to her native Michigan. After eight years of battling leukemia, doctors say she doesn’t have much time to live.

“She said she wanted to be closer to her grave,” Jean Weber, her daughter, told FoxNews.com. “I knew it would probably be the last time I ever see her.”

But when Reppert made it to the check-in line, Transportation Security Association agents singled her out because she was in a wheelchair. Wheelchairs require other security measures to be employed since they don’t go through metal detectors.

“So they brought my mom to the side, and two agents just started patting her,” Reppert said. “Eventually they found something that appeared to be hard and they said could be a concealed weapon.”

She said two female agents wheeled her mom into a private room where they performed a more thorough inspection, and found that Reppert was wearing a Depend adult diaper.

“It was hard because the underwear was bunched up,” Weber said, adding that she was not in the room as her mother was patted.

After 45 minutes, the mother and daughter were given two options: either don't fly, or lose the Depend. The women chose the latter.

“I ran with her to the bathroom and stripped her down,” Weber recalled. “I got back to the line and just started bawling.”

Weber said the emotional toll was too much. From perhaps seeing her mother for what could be the last time, to having to see her mother go through all the security measures, “I just cried and said, ‘Please can you let her through, she’s just so sick,” she said.

The TSA said in a statement to Fox News that at "no instance" would an officer ask a passenger to remove an adult diaper. The TSA would not disclose further information about this particular passenger, but said all protocols were followed.

“While every person and item must be screened before entering the secure boarding area, TSA works with passengers to resolve security alarms in a respectful and sensitive manner," the statement read. "We have reviewed the circumstances involving this screening and determined that our officers acted professionally and according to proper procedure.”

Reppert eventually made her flight by two minutes, her daughter said, but the departure was bitter sweet.

“It was tough to say goodbye after all of that,” Weber said. “But she’s at peace, and she’s a good Christian woman. They’ll be waiting for her up there in Heaven.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/26/dying-woman-undergoes-additional-tsa-security-screening-says-family/#ixzz1QUDbdh6R

[Gaffer]

An elderly woman in the late-stages of leukemia was forced to undergo 45 minutes of additional screenings last Saturday when she tried to board a flight out of Northwest Florida Regional Airport, her daughter told FoxNews.com


Told she must change her diapers?!!

Would wheel chairs be considered profiling? Since they get special attention.

The TSA is the reason I will never fly again. Stupidity on steroids.

[revelarts]

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[LuvRPgrl]

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we seriously need a strike against the airlines aka feds.

This is how they are gaining their totalitarian control over us. Create a system where we are dependent on things that they consider a "privledge" and therefore are allowed to trample all over our basic human rights in the name of liberalism and equanimity.

[Gunny]

I like to imagine that we still got a chance to get the country back but man crap like this make me think , just forget it.
people don't care, we lay down for every stupid thing in the name of safety.
America had some some good points I'll miss it.

My problem is i can't fake obedience to stupid authority anymore.


http://gizmodo.com/#!5768805/tsa-harasses-9+yo-boy-and-other-train-passengers-after-their-trip

I get some comfort from the replys after the gizmodo post but others just confirm my suspicions of to many americans, "WHAT"S the BIG DEAL its JUST A PAT DOWN?"
with implied --don't hold up the line, you must be doing something wrong if you won't stop for a pat down.--


PS
TSA are At
Planes , Trains And Buses now. So how are we to avoid them now? @ those who told us "just don't fly if you don't like it." drive everywhere? don't worry they'll cover that soon enough probably.

The TSA is nothing more than the modern-day Gestapo, or KGB.

I was against Bush creating it to begin with. The left wailed and gnashed teeth about the TSA for 8 years. Yet, under the leadership of Herr Obama, the TSA's powers have increased, rather than disappeared as an infringement on the rights of citizens as once proclaimed by the left.

Yet, as with all things Obama, the left is silent.

[Shadow]

The TSA is nothing more than the modern-day Gestapo, or KGB.

I was against Bush creating it to begin with. The left wailed and gnashed teeth about the TSA for 8 years. Yet, under the leadership of Herr Obama, the TSA's powers have increased, rather than disappeared as an infringement on the rights of citizens as once proclaimed by the left.

Yet, as with all things Obama, the left is silent.

The left is not silent...they defend it tooth and nail now.

[Gunny]

The left is not silent...they defend it tooth and nail now.

I haven't seen much of it. I've just seen the standard response from the left as no response at all.

The TSA issue is the same as the NSA wiretaps they moaned and cried about for 8 years ... Obama expands the programs and not one word of condemnation from the left.

[fj1200]

The left wailed and gnashed teeth about the TSA for 8 years.

I don't remember them complaining about the TSA so much, except for their initial union demands of course. But yeah, the silence is deafening.

[Gunny]

I don't remember them complaining about the TSA so much, except for their initial union demands of course. But yeah, the silence is deafening.

I recall rather clearly the left's banshee wail that Bush "do something to protect 'us' ", then squealing like babies when he did. IIRC, the first rumblings were because -- OMG -- the TSA was paying more attention to Arabic types and little old ladies than middle-aged white males.

The fact is, the TSA is a response to a symptom, not the disease, and in reality has done nothing more than create a national police force. Some of the uneven applications of policy are a bit disturbing, to say the least.

[revelarts]

Billions Wasted on unproven terrorist detection methods.

See he's got "angry eyes" better check him out.


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[Gunny]

Billions Wasted on unproven terrorist detection methods.

See he's got "angry eyes" better check him out.


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Definitely. A big waste of funds that amounts to nothing more than a national police force that really is a deterrent to nothing.

Does anyone REALLY think when we're attacked again it will be the same way as last time? Even AQ's not THAT dumb.

[Wind Song]

And who supported the Patriot Act? Not me.

[fj1200]

And who supported the Patriot Act? Not me.

Many, many elected officials did.

The Act was passed in the House (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives) by 357 to 66 (of 435) and in the Senate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate) by 98 to 1 and was supported by members of both the Republican and Democratic parties.
Many of whom you probably support(ted). What does the PA have to do with the TSA?

[ConHog]

I enjoy patting down and giving the wand to attractive women. Think I could work for the TSA?

[fj1200]

Think I could work for the TSA?

Are you blitheringly incompetent with an insatiable lust for power over those who must submit in order to travel? If so...

[ConHog]

Are you blitheringly incompetent with an insatiable lust for power over those who must submit in order to travel? If so...



Incompetent? No. Insatiable lust for power? Yes

[fj1200]

Incompetent? No. Insatiable lust for power? Yes

Excellent, the TSA will train and bureaucratize the competence right out of you.

[ConHog]

Excellent, the TSA will train and bureaucratize the competence right out of you.



Okay, but they better understand that I profile. Only early 20s women with killer bodies will be patted down, or wanded.

[fj1200]

Okay, but they better understand that I profile. Only early 20s women with killer bodies will be patted down, or wanded.

You will pay for your insubordination. Assignment #1...

http://www.amatosauce.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/mcdonalds-fat-women.jpg

[ConHog]

You will pay for your insubordination. Assignment #1...

http://www.amatosauce.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/mcdonalds-fat-women.jpg



No thanks, thought I was clear that I want NOTHING to do with USMB posters Syrenn and Madeline.

[revelarts]

TSA Law creator says it's time to dismantle the bloated mess...

A decade after the TSA was created following the September 11 attacks, the author of the legislation that established the massive agency grades its performance at “D-.”
“The whole program has been hijacked by bureaucrats,” said Rep. John Mica (R. -Fla.), chairman of the House Transportation Committee.
“It mushroomed into an army,” Mica said. “It’s gone from a couple-billion-dollar enterprise to close to $9 billion.”
As for keeping the American public safe, Mica says, “They’ve failed to actually detect any threat in 10 years.”
Asked whether the agency should be privatized, Mica answered with a qualified yes.
“They need to get out of the screening business and back into security. Most of the screening they do should be abandoned,” Mica said. “I just don’t have a lot of faith at this point,” Mica said.

http://patriotupdate.com/12076/tsa-creator-says-dismantle-privatize-agency

long overdue



TSA agents, cops arrested in drug trafficking case

September 14, 2011

Source: MSNBC

Three TSA agents and at least two police officers have been arrested, accused of being involved in a massive oxycodone trafficking operation between Connecticut, New York and Florida, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.
The arrests come after a five-month joint law enforcement investigation, and the arrested officers include three Transportation Security Administration officers based at airports in Florida and New York, a Westchester County police officer and a Florida State Trooper, whose names have not been released.
Officials said the suspects are accused of receiving cash to assist in moving tens of thousands of oxycodone pills from Florida to New York and Connecticut as well as transporting cash proceeds from the sale of the drugs back to Florida.
U.S. Attorney David B. Fein, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency and Stamford Police Chief Robert Nivak

TSA agents, cops arrested in drug trafficking case

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44502230/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/#.To3dR5Yf9eQ

[revelarts]

Jesse Ventura's Suit against TSA Groping him is tossed out of court because the Federal Judge says he "doesn't have jurisdiction" ???
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what kind of gov't do we have now? what are the rules?

[fj1200]

Jesse Ventura's Suit against TSA Groping him is tossed out of court because the Federal Judge says he "doesn't have jurisdiction" ???

The judge doesn't have jurisdiction or Ventura doesn't have standing?

[revelarts]

The judge doesn't have jurisdiction or Ventura doesn't have standing?

He has standing, he was groped personally.

Ventura says the judge claimed no jurisdiction. "A district judge in St. Paul threw out his lawsuit Thursday, ruling it should have been filed in a Circuit Court of Appeals." AP

http://www.startribune.com/local/stpaul/133248993.html

[fj1200]

So he can refile then.

[logroller]

He has standing, he was groped personally.

Ventura says the judge claimed no jurisdiction. "A district judge in St. Paul threw out his lawsuit Thursday, ruling it should have been filed in a Circuit Court of Appeals." AP

http://www.startribune.com/local/stpaul/133248993.html


So he can refile then.

And incur the filing fees and be put at the back of what I imagine is a relatively long docket w/in the court of appeals. I mean, he can afford it, but that's not really the point. I could see how the jurisdiction should have been a lower court, like the county it happened in; but an appeals court? I was under the impression that an appellate court is for appealing a decision of a lower court. Was Ventura sentenced to being groped by a lower court???

[fj1200]

And incur the filing fees and be put at the back of what I imagine is a relatively long docket w/in the court of appeals. I mean, he can afford it, but that's not really the point. I could see how the jurisdiction should have been a lower court, like the county it happened in; but an appeals court? I was under the impression that an appellate court is for appealing a decision of a lower court. Was Ventura sentenced to being groped by a lower court???


The suit was thrown out because Congress set up the law so that all such challenges must be brought directly in Circuit Courts of Appeals, wrote U.S. District Judge Susan Richard Nelson.

Stupid, but then that would fit my definition of Congress: As an institution, it's stupid.

[LuvRPgrl]

The TSA is nothing more than the modern-day Gestapo, or KGB.

I was against Bush creating it to begin with. The left wailed and gnashed teeth about the TSA for 8 years. Yet, under the leadership of Herr Obama, the TSA's powers have increased, rather than disappeared as an infringement on the rights of citizens as once proclaimed by the left.

Yet, as with all things Obama, the left is silent.
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In actuality, the leftists were never opposed to the creation of the TSA, but were in fact opposed to it being created during the Bush administration.