Do you feel Pornography hurts or helps Culture?

[-Cp]

Just wondering your opinions...


If it is destructive why do you support it as "free speech"?

If you feel it's helpful, how?

[Roomy]

It has it's place in society, abuse and addiction are different subjects.

[Nienna]

I feel it hurts individuals because it gives a perverse ideas about what good sex is. I feel it hurts society because, when widespread, it makes these perverse ideas seem normal or something to which one should aspire.

[Roomy]

I feel it hurts individuals because it gives a perverse ideas about what good sex is. I feel it hurts society because, when widespread, it makes these perverse ideas seem normal or something to which one should aspire.

The trouble with the term pornography is that we all have different ideas about what it means.What you deem as pornographic may be a world apart to mine, I am against censorship in principle but I do have what I would describe as the 'normal' boundaries as far as freedom of expression is concerned.

Some people will never experience sex, good or bad, pornography is an outlet.Aspirations to act out what they see is a matter for doctors and could be said about any form of stimulation.

[Pale Rider]

It's bad. It promotes lust and infidelity, not to mention degrades sex as a pleasurable interlude between married couples. It makes sex look cheap and sullied.

[Roomy]

It's bad. It promotes lust and infidelity, not to mention degrades sex as a pleasurable interlude between married couples.


Is that what she tells you?

Seriously, that is a load of balls and you know it, start again and mean it PR, I am trying to get with the new programme here, so should you.:cool:

[Abbey Marie]

Is that what she tells you?

Seriously, that is a load of balls and you know it, start again and mean it PR, I am trying to get with the new programme here, so should you.:cool:

:uhoh:

[Pale Rider]

Is that what she tells you?

Seriously, that is a load of balls and you know it, start again and mean it PR, I am trying to get with the new programme here, so should you.:cool:

Shut up and go stand back in the corner dumbass. It's not my problem your mind and morals are in the fucking gutter.

[Fountainhead]

This is a very serious and very complex question.

But, I don't feel as though I have enough information to proffer an intelligent opinion.

Would you please send me some of the pornography of which you speak, so that I might study it in detail.

I'll get back to you in the AM with my answer.

[loosecannon]

I feel it hurts individuals because it gives a perverse ideas about what good sex is.

based on what?

[loosecannon]

not to mention degrades sex as a pleasurable interlude between married couples.

How the ___ is a pleasurable inturlude between married couples (partners) a degradation of sex?

If sex was not intended to be pleasurable God wouln't have given us wankers and cooches. We would simply shake hands.

[loosecannon]

This is a very serious and very complex question.

But, I don't feel as though I have enough information to proffer an intelligent opinion.

Would you please send me some of the pornography of which you speak, so that I might study it in detail.

I'll get back to you in the AM with my answer.

here you go, lock n load

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/29215

[-Cp]

How the ___ is a pleasurable inturlude between married couples (partners) a degradation of sex?

If sex was not intended to be pleasurable God wouln't have given us wankers and cooches. We would simply shake hands.


Uhh... because the folks in the porn biz "doing each other" aren't married..

[Roomy]

Shut up and go stand back in the corner dumbass. It's not my problem your mind and morals are in the fucking gutter.

And there I was, being nice to you and everything.:laugh2:

[Pale Rider]

How the ___ is a pleasurable inturlude between married couples (partners) a degradation of sex?

If sex was not intended to be pleasurable God wouln't have given us wankers and cooches. We would simply shake hands.

Go back and reread what I wrote, because that is NOT what I said.

[Pale Rider]

And there I was, being nice to you and everything.:laugh2:

Geez, and I was being nice back... :laugh2:

[Fountainhead]

here you go, lock n load

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/29215

Thank you for that highly informative link. I really got in touch with myself, after reading such sensitive passages as ...

"The male animal is not a piece of meat," Roehnert explained. "He is a rose wrapped in a poem, yielding up his deepest, most intimate secrets only when just the right magical moment has been achieved. The alluring yet fragile petals of the delicate flower known as the male of the species can unfold and bloom only in the presence of the right combination of gentleness, tenderness and deep, abiding care."

[Hobbit]

Thank you for that highly informative link. I really got in touch with myself, after reading such sensitive passages as ...

"The male animal is not a piece of meat," Roehnert explained. "He is a rose wrapped in a poem, yielding up his deepest, most intimate secrets only when just the right magical moment has been achieved. The alluring yet fragile petals of the delicate flower known as the male of the species can unfold and bloom only in the presence of the right combination of gentleness, tenderness and deep, abiding care."

The next time I hear anybody refer to the male as a delicate flower, I'm punching her in the ovaries, because anybody who says that can't possibly have balls.

P.S. Yes, I realize it's from the onion, but still...

[Hagbard Celine]

Everybody masterbates. Every culture has porn. It neither degrades nor adds to society. It just is.

[Pale Rider]

Everybody masterbates. Every culture has porn. It neither degrades nor adds to society. It just is.

Porn comes from the gutter. Evidently you do to.

[Hagbard Celine]

Porn comes from the gutter. Evidently you do to.

Uh :fu: Get real dumbo.

[Pale Rider]

Uh :fu: Get real dumbo.

Great come back no load. Wipe the shit off your face.

[Hagbard Celine]

Great come back no load. Wipe the shit off your face.
Whatever you say douche.

[loosecannon]

God was the first pornographer.

He created Adam and Eve naked and left them to live naked in the garden.

They sinned, screwing up a good gig.

God came looking for them and Adam was hiding.

God said "why are you hiding", "who told you you were naked".


Gen 2: 25: And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Gen 3:8: And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
9: And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10: And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11: And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked?


Which pretty much shows you how cavalier God was about his naked human creations.

Why are you ashamed of God's creation?

[manu1959]

God was the first pornographer.

He created Adam and Eve naked and left them to live naked in the garden.

They sinned, screwing up a good gig.

God came looking for them and Adam was hiding.

God said "why are you hiding", "who told you you were naked".

Which pretty much shows you how cavalier God was about his naked human creations.

Why are you ashamed of God's creation?

not sure god's intent was to have eve tied up hooded and drilled by a donkey on stage.........come to think of it not sure that was eve......TJ is a strange place...

[Hagbard Celine]

not sure god's intent was to have eve tied up hooded and drilled by a donkey on stage.........come to think of it not sure that was eve......TJ is a strange place...

I saw that show too! What a small world we live in :laugh:

[loosecannon]

not sure god's intent was to have eve tied up hooded and drilled by a donkey on stage.........come to think of it not sure that was eve......TJ is a strange place...

My mistake, God was the first Garden variety pornographer.

He didn't work the TJ scene or do the beastiality schtick.

God thinks you are a flaming pervert and he wanted me to let you know.

[manu1959]

My mistake, God was the first Garden variety pornographer.

He didn't work the TJ scene or do the beastiality schtick.

God thinks you are a flaming pervert and he wanted me to let you know.

talking to god again are we.....

[loosecannon]

talking to god again are we.....

Beats hiding from him covering myself with fig leaves.

[Missileman]

Porn comes from the gutter. Evidently you do to.

Hey Pale...have you had a recent change of heart about porn or is it okay for you to enjoy it, not anyone else?

[avatar4321]

Everybody masterbates. Every culture has porn. It neither degrades nor adds to society. It just is.

Every culture has porn huh? Id love to see that claim backed up.

[manu1959]

what is the purpose of porn?

why is it necessary?

if it vanished would it matter?

[loosecannon]

Every culture has porn huh? Id love to see that claim backed up.

yeah, I bet you would!

[avatar4321]

what is the purpose of porn?

why is it necessary?

if it vanished would it matter?

yeah it would matter. it would mean there would be many more good and decent men in the world and alot less woman who suffer from bad men.

[loosecannon]

what is the purpose of porn?

why is it necessary?

if it vanished would it matter?



Porn’s but a walking shadow, a poor player

That struts and frets his hour upon the stage

And then is heard no more. It is a tale

Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,

Signifying nothing.

:laugh2: :laugh2:

[avatar4321]

yeah, I bet you would!

You really think he can back up such an absurd claim?

[glockmail]

It degrades women. And the "harder" the porn, the worse the degradation. Some of that crap is downright criminal.

[Abbey Marie]

yeah it would matter. it would mean there would be many more good and decent men in the world and alot less woman who suffer from bad men.

You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Avatar4321 again.

[Nienna]

based on what?

I assume you are asking on what my idea of good sex is based?

It is based on the fact that sex is not just about physical pleasure, but also about emotional bonding. Porn downplays or entirely leaves out that aspect of sex.

[Hagbard Celine]

Every culture has porn huh? Id love to see that claim backed up.

Name one that doesn't. Not even the Vatican can claim not to. It has paintings and sculptures of nude women in it.

[5stringJeff]

Name one that doesn't. Not even the Vatican can claim not to. It has paintings and sculptures of nude women in it.

Nudity and pornography are not the same.

[CockySOB]

I wouldn't classify nude sculpture or paintings as pornography right off the bat. There's nothing wrong with appreciating the human body in its variations. For me the line is drawn when the intent of such works is to directly elicit a sexual response. IMO there is a fine line between erotic art and pornography, and it's a line which varies with the individual and community. As Justice Stewart said on the topic, "I know it when I see it."

I think the Lockhart Commission had it right when they determined that only specific depictions should be ruled as criminal acts. The Meese Commission went too far by trying to ban depiction of acts which were NOT criminal when conducted between consenting adults in private. We've had a number of significant court cases (including some before SCOTUS) related to the issue of free speech and pornography/obscenity. I personally liked the Ashcroft vs. ACLU (2004) ruling which declared the Child Online Protection Act to be a violation of Constitutional free speech (jsut as the Communications Decency Act earlier).

[Hagbard Celine]

Nudity and pornography are not the same.

Tell that to the FCC and Focus on the Family.

[CockySOB]

Tell that to the FCC and Focus on the Family.

I don't much care about Focus on the Family, but the FCC does allow some nudity over the airwaves.

[Missileman]

I don't much care about Focus on the Family, but the FCC does allow some nudity over the airwaves.

Except during the Superbowl of course...:laugh2:

[Hobbit]

Except during the Superbowl of course...:laugh2:

A guy saying he's going to get a woman naked and then ripping off part of her shirt to reveal a bare boob... I think that crosses the line, if only slightly, into porn.

Edit: For the record, the FCC went overboard, which is yet another reason I think the FCC needs to have its power reduced. Given the nature of football games and the outrage from the public, I don't think that has another chance of happening for a loooooooooooooooong time, fines or not.

[Hagbard Celine]

I don't much care about Focus on the Family, but the FCC does allow some nudity over the airwaves.

No ninners, no pinners and no vaginers.

[CockySOB]

No ninners, no pinners and no vaginers.

Come to think of it you might be right. I was thinking of National Geographic and Discovery channels, both of which are cable delivery and not as subject to restrictions as the broadcast channels.

[shattered]

Where's the "indifferent" option? Personally, I don't watch it - I don't think it helps anything, and in most cases, I don't think it hurts anything (occasionally, you'll get some nut taking things to far, but that's the case with everything). It's just "here"..

But, I'm guessing at least 7 out of every 10 people watch it in some form or another, or there wouldn't be such a high demand for it.

[Mr. P]

Where's the "indifferent" option? Personally, I don't watch it - I don't think it helps anything, and in most cases, I don't think it hurts anything (occasionally, you'll get some nut taking things to far, but that's the case with everything). It's just "here"..

But, I'm guessing at least 7 out of every 10 people watch it in some form or another, or there wouldn't be such a high demand for it.

See it in some form or another for sure.

I remember a big religious push years ago against what some called 'porn'. They shot Larry Flint outside a courthouse not far from me..

[shattered]

It degrades women. And the "harder" the porn, the worse the degradation. Some of that crap is downright criminal.

This may be a discussion for another thread entirely.. But.. How can porn be degrading to women? The women IN those movies CHOOSE to be there, just as the men in those movies choose to be there.. So, how can it be degrading to one and not the other? Hell, how can it be degrading to EITHER, given they both have the choice?

[jackass]

I think it depends on the porn itself. I dont think there is anything worng with pictures of the naked body. I do believe too much can be detrimental. Some of it can be very demoralizing.

[shattered]

I think it depends on the porn itself. I dont think there is anything worng with pictures of the naked body. I do believe too much can be detrimental. Some of it can be very demoralizing.

Demoralizing to who? The people IN it, who obviously don't have any morals to begin with? Or, the people WATCHING it, who seem to be lacking a few to begin with?

[glockmail]

This may be a discussion for another thread entirely.. But.. How can porn be degrading to women? The women IN those movies CHOOSE to be there, just as the men in those movies choose to be there.. So, how can it be degrading to one and not the other? Hell, how can it be degrading to EITHER, given they both have the choice?
A few individual women choose to make money at it, however they end up representing women as a whole in many men's minds. The worst is the guys that go to foreign countries and film their exploits with hookers. They should be jailed with some guy named Tiny.

[Mr. P]

A few individual women choose to make money at it, however they end up representing women as a whole in many men's minds. The worst is the guys that go to foreign countries and film their exploits with hookers. They should be jailed with some guy named Tiny.

Yes. There is a very dark side of the porn business that most people probable don't want to know about. Many, not all, of the women are NOT choosing to be where they are, they are forced one way or another.

[shattered]

Yes. There is a very dark side of the porn business that most people probable don't want to know about. Many, not all, of the women are NOT choosing to be where they are, they are forced one way or another.

Sorry.. I'm not seeing it.. That, to me, is like saying women are forced to stay with abusive husbands.. they're not - they just do because they think it's easier, and they're *afraid* to do something else.. that doesn't mean they can't, and have no choice, however.

[Mr. P]

Sorry.. I'm not seeing it.. That, to me, is like saying women are forced to stay with abusive husbands.. they're not - they just do because they think it's easier, and they're *afraid* to do something else.. that doesn't mean they can't, and have no choice, however.

It's not the same at all..check it out..you'll even find slavery involved.

[Pale Rider]

This may be a discussion for another thread entirely.. But.. How can porn be degrading to women? The women IN those movies CHOOSE to be there, just as the men in those movies choose to be there.. So, how can it be degrading to one and not the other? Hell, how can it be degrading to EITHER, given they both have the choice?

Because it depicts women as nothing more than a sex object, and all the more you have to do to get in their pants is say "hi". If that's the way women want to be seen, as an easy, cheap, piece of meat, then there's nothing wrong. If they don't want to be seen that way, then there's the problem with it.

But you hit on it shattered. It's all about "money".

[5stringJeff]

Yes. There is a very dark side of the porn business that most people probable don't want to know about. Many, not all, of the women are NOT choosing to be where they are, they are forced one way or another.

You hit on one of the reasons why the sex industry in general is bad. Many women are hooked on drugs by people making porn (or, in the case of hookers, by their pimps), and given the drugs they need to keep their habit after they 'perform.' Some women answer ads for jobs, only to find the only job that was was ever available was for porn/prostitution. Some women are just plain kidnapped.

[Missileman]

Hey Pale...have you had a recent change of heart about porn or is it okay for you to enjoy it, not anyone else?

*bump*

[Pale Rider]

Hey Pale...have you had a recent change of heart about porn or is it okay for you to enjoy it, not anyone else?

Hey Missleman, do you still have to see your probation officer twice a week since you got out of prison on that molesting charge?

[Hobbit]

I think porn objectifies women, sets false standards of beauty and desirability, and desensitises men to the beauty of the female body. I also think it's quite a hair to split to outlaw prostitution, but not pornography. Both are being paid to have sex. I really don't see the difference, and either way it swings (either both legal or neither legal), I'd at least like to see some consistency.

[Missileman]

Hey Missleman, do you still have to see your probation officer twice a week since you got out of prison on that molesting charge?

YOU have no foundation on which to ask that question. We BOTH know the foundation on which MY question was asked.

[Pale Rider]

YOU have no foundation on which to ask that question. We BOTH know the foundation on which MY question was asked.
As much as you did.

No... "we" don't.

[Missileman]

As much as you did.

No... "we" don't.

Don't remember a photograph of a nude young lady with a pierced vagina that you shared with other members of the USMB?

[Pale Rider]

Don't remember a photograph of a nude young lady with a pierced vagina that you shared with other members of the USMB?

I'f you're refering to the picture I took of my "girlfriend" standing on a sandbar back in Wisconsin, who did NOT have ANYTHING pierced, how the hell is THAT PORN?

You sure can stretch sometimes MM...

[Hagbard Celine]

I think porn objectifies women, sets false standards of beauty and desirability, and desensitises men to the beauty of the female body. I also think it's quite a hair to split to outlaw prostitution, but not pornography. Both are being paid to have sex. I really don't see the difference, and either way it swings (either both legal or neither legal), I'd at least like to see some consistency.

Women's whole existence is objectified. Why do you think they wear make-up and shave their bodies so as to give the impression of youth and virginity? Why do you think the color for females is pink and not say, green for example? Why do you think they paint their nails, wear sparkly things on their necks, ears, fingers and hair? Hell, the act of sex itself objectifies women. It puts them in the receiving, submissive end of the deal.

Also, both the men and the women get paid for pornography. Prostitution is a one-sided deal. Only the prostitute gets paid. That's the difference, since you asked.

[Missileman]

I'f you're refering to the picture I took of my "girlfriend" standing on a sandbar back in Wisconsin, who did NOT have ANYTHING pierced, how the hell is THAT PORN?

You sure can stretch sometimes MM...

No, I'm talking about the one that I told you I stumbled across when looking for a pic of that old pickup truck you posted that time. That was when you told me about the hidden forum in the USMB. Remember yet?

[Pale Rider]

No, I'm talking about the one that I told you I stumbled across when looking for a pic of that old pickup truck you posted that time. That was when you told me about the hidden forum in the USMB. Remember yet?

No. Especially since I don't LIKE pierced women, pierced ANYTHING. Why would I post a picture of it.

But, what is pornographic about a naked woman? Are you trying to say that a naked woman rises to the same level as two people having animal sex for money?

I don't see nude photography, done with taste, as pornography. Maybe we should have gotten that out of the way right away. But, I DO see pornography as filming two people fucking.

"That is my opinion."

[Missileman]

No. Especially since I don't LIKE pierced women, pierced ANYTHING. Why would I post a picture of it.

But, what is pornographic about a naked woman? Are you trying to say that a naked woman rises to the same level as two people having animal sex for money?

I don't see nude photography, done with taste, as pornography. Maybe we should have gotten that out of the way right away. But, I DO see pornography as filming two people fucking.

"That is my opinion."

Would your grandmother think that a pierced beaver shot is pornographic? Your mother? I'll bet there are a few posters here who would. I got on your case because you seemed a bit judgemental for someone who apparently had no aversion to sexually explicit pictures of women.

[Pale Rider]

Would your grandmother think that a pierced beaver shot is pornographic? Your mother? I'll bet there are a few posters here who would. I got on your case because you seemed a bit judgemental for someone who apparently had no aversion to sexually explicit pictures of women.

First off Mm, I did not post a picture of a woman with a pierced anything. Got it? I don't LIKE pierced things on women. Ears, face, lips, vaginas, NOTHING... ALRIGHT? I HOPE telling you TWICE is sufficient. It only takes most people ONCE.

And I thought I explained myself quite well in my last post. If that's not good enough for you, oh well.

[glockmail]

Sorry.. I'm not seeing it.. That, to me, is like saying women are forced to stay with abusive husbands.. they're not - they just do because they think it's easier, and they're *afraid* to do something else.. that doesn't mean they can't, and have no choice, however. Tell that to the girls exploited by LBFM.com or whatever that web site is. That's just one example. I'd like to ring them dudes necks.

[glockmail]

Would your grandmother think that a pierced beaver shot is pornographic? Your mother? I'll bet there are a few posters here who would. I got on your case because you seemed a bit judgemental for someone who apparently had no aversion to sexually explicit pictures of women. Typical Missleman post: based on an incorrect assumption, flawed logic and an emotion based argument.

[Nienna]

Women's whole existence is objectified. Why do you think they wear make-up and shave their bodies so as to give the impression of youth and virginity? Why do you think the color for females is pink and not say, green for example? Why do you think they paint their nails, wear sparkly things on their necks, ears, fingers and hair? Hell, the act of sex itself objectifies women. It puts them in the receiving, submissive end of the deal.

This is exactly why pornography degrades women MORE than men, although men are degraded, too, as well as the very act of sex.

[TheSage]

I like pornography, and love to masturbate. And you guys who say you don't like it are LYING!

The weirdest thing I ever saw was stump fucking by amputees. That was not a turn on.

[Hagbard Celine]

I like pornography, and love to masturbate. And you guys who say you don't like it are LYING!

The weirdest thing I ever saw was stump fucking by amputees. That was not a turn on.

Haha, that's f*cked up.

[Missileman]

Typical Missleman post: based on an incorrect assumption, flawed logic and an emotion based argument.

You did notice that PR didn't deny that he participated in a hidden "adult" forum over at USMB? He may not remember, and I'm not calling him a liar, but he and I did have a conversation about a picture of his that I accidently stumbled across, and despite his denials, it was of a young lady displaying a pierced beaver. For what possible purpose would I make up such a story? I haven't assumed anything, the post has nothing to do with logic anymore than it involves calculus, and I'M not the one judging people for their definition of pornography while allowing myself to indulge under the guise of moral relativism.

As usual, you've made another hopelessly deficient post.

[glockmail]

You did notice that PR didn't deny that he participated in a hidden "adult" forum over at USMB? He may not remember, and I'm not calling him a liar, but he and I did have a conversation about a picture of his that I accidently stumbled across, and despite his denials, it was of a young lady displaying a pierced beaver. For what possible purpose would I make up such a story? I haven't assumed anything, the post has nothing to do with logic anymore than it involves calculus, and I'M not the one judging people for their definition of pornography while allowing myself to indulge under the guise of moral relativism.

As usual, you've made another hopelessly deficient post. If there was any substance to your accusation you could provide a link. But of course, you can't. :pee:

[Missileman]

If there was any substance to your accusation you could provide a link. But of course, you can't. :pee:

This happened a couple years ago, and I had absolutely no reason to save the picture. I do admire the effort you're exerting to stand up for your man though...you go Cupcake!

[glockmail]

This happened a couple years ago, and I had absolutely no reason to save the picture. I do admire the effort you're exerting to stand up for your man though...you go Cupcake! Bullshit as usual. The picture would be saved on the site, along with your discourse.

:pee:

[Missileman]

Bullshit as usual. The picture would be saved on the site, along with your discourse.

:pee:

I never participated in the hidden forum at USMB. I imagine that Jimmy can verify this if you won't take my word for it. I only became aware that it existed through my conversation ABOUT THE PICTURE with PR.

[Mr. P]

I'm sure Greg would have dumped any such hidden section of the board when he started burning the place to the ground. Heck, he dumped the smilie stuff.

[jimnyc]

I never participated in the hidden forum at USMB. I imagine that Jimmy can verify this if you won't take my word for it. I only became aware that it existed through my conversation ABOUT THE PICTURE with PR.

We had a hidden "adult" section at USMB, yes. Honestly, I didn't participate much, as it was a way of keeping that stuff away from those who didn't care for it. So while I can verify I had the adult section, I can't comment on any pictures that may have been there.

And from what I understand, the skinny little PM reading prick named Greg deleted the entire forum, as well as a few other hidden forums we had for long standing members.

[jimnyc]

I'm sure Greg would have dumped any such hidden section of the board when he started burning the place to the ground. Heck, he dumped the smilie stuff.

Yep, he even stated he was getting rid of certain sections. His first few chores were to remove the smilies, and then remove around 10,000 posts from sections members enjoyed as an added privilege.

[Pale Rider]

We had a hidden "adult" section at USMB, yes. Honestly, I didn't participate much, as it was a way of keeping that stuff away from those who didn't care for it. So while I can verify I had the adult section, I can't comment on any pictures that may have been there.

And from what I understand, the skinny little PM reading prick named Greg deleted the entire forum, as well as a few other hidden forums we had for long standing members.


You did notice that PR didn't deny that he participated in a hidden "adult" forum over at USMB?

Yes we did have an "adult" section at USMB, of which my "participation" was very limited, and from what I remember of it, even "hard core", which is what I consider porn, was not allowed. I'll repeat, I see nothing wrong with a "tasteful" nude picture of a woman. She isn't being ravaged by some junk yard dog in some filthy sex flick.

I do recall Jimmy telling a couple girls to stop posting pictures of huge, gross, fat women in there, because THAT was over the top.

If I posted a picture of some woman with a pierced whatever, I don't remember it. I "HATE" pierced things on women, and I wouldn't look twice at one that was, so honestly, I can't imagine me posting that sort of pic. Perhaps Mm has me confused with someone else.

[glockmail]

..... Perhaps Mm has me confused with someone else. But our resident queer enabler will never admit being wrong.

[Missileman]

But our resident queer enabler will never admit being wrong.

Hey Cupcake! PR's a big boy and I'm pretty sure he doesn't need a virtual transvestite to protect him from lil' ol' me. You have enough trouble defending your own posts without distracting yourself by defending PR.

[Pale Rider]

Hey Cupcake! PR's a big boy and I'm pretty sure he doesn't need a virtual transvestite to protect him from lil' ol' me. You have enough trouble defending your own posts without distracting yourself by defending PR.

"Cupcake".... :laugh2: :lmao:

[Said1]

First off Mm, I did not post a picture of a woman with a pierced anything. Got it? I don't LIKE pierced things on women. Ears, face, lips, vaginas, NOTHING... ALRIGHT? I HOPE telling you TWICE is sufficient. It only takes most people ONCE.

And I thought I explained myself quite well in my last post. If that's not good enough for you, oh well.

I don't recall that either.

[shattered]

Because it depicts women as nothing more than a sex object, and all the more you have to do to get in their pants is say "hi". If that's the way women want to be seen, as an easy, cheap, piece of meat, then there's nothing wrong. If they don't want to be seen that way, then there's the problem with it.

But you hit on it shattered. It's all about "money".

It makes the women in the *movies* seen as a sex object - it doesn't make me be seen as a sex object, because I won't accept it. However, were I to put myself in one of those movies, then I guess I'd be getting what I'm asking for, no?

[Pale Rider]

It makes the women in the *movies* seen as a sex object - it doesn't make me be seen as a sex object, because I won't accept it. However, were I to put myself in one of those movies, then I guess I'd be getting what I'm asking for, no?

*But of course* POP!

It's about how the men that watch these flicks perceive and then in turn treat women. They go down to the local bar, get half a gut full of beer, and use some cheesy line a girl and she's going to BEG him to SCREW her, when probably nothing could be further from the truth. I'd call these IDIOTIC "girls gone wild" vidoes about as pornagraphic as anything out there, and they way the girls are depicted in those is downright disgusting. They all look stupid, easy and slutty. But again, the level of intelligence of some of the guys watching that crap is that ALL college girls are like that, and they TREAT them that way then.

It's just bad I think. Bad for decent women.

[Geolibertarian]

I'm sorry, but I have to say this.

Pornography is wrong. It's morally bankrupt. It corrupts men, hurts women, damages children, destoys society. I'm all for free speech, but two people having sex isn't speech. Plus its destroying our society by undermining the role of traditional marriage.

I think that's what it's really all about. Liberals just hate traditional values so they're attacking the basis of it all, marriage. First they want to legalize porn everywhere, then they make it easier for people to get divorced, they allow abortions so kids don't have to face up to their responsibilites, now they want to let the queers marry. What's next? Polygamy? Bestiality? Sometimes we have to draw the line.

[shattered]

*But of course* POP!

It's about how the men that watch these flicks perceive and then in turn treat women. They go down to the local bar, get half a gut full of beer, and use some cheesy line a girl and she's going to BEG him to SCREW her, when probably nothing could be further from the truth. I'd call these IDIOTIC "girls gone wild" vidoes about as pornagraphic as anything out there, and they way the girls are depicted in those is downright disgusting. They all look stupid, easy and slutty. But again, the level of intelligence of some of the guys watching that crap is that ALL college girls are like that, and they TREAT them that way then.

It's just bad I think. Bad for decent women.

Not to be *overly* picky or anything, but how many *decent* women do you find hanging out in a bar every weekend? :coffee:

[Pale Rider]

Not to be *overly* picky or anything, but how many *decent* women do you find hanging out in a bar every weekend? :coffee:

OK... well, decent or not, I surely wouldn't just assume that they were "easy" and wanted nothing more than to have "sex" with me either.

Are you trying to say you think porn is a good thing, in a 'round about way shattered? If so, that surprizes me.

[shattered]

OK... well, decent or not, I surely wouldn't just assume that they were "easy" and wanted nothing more than to have "sex" with me either.

Are you trying to say you think porn is a good thing, in a 'round about way shattered? If so, that surprizes me.

No. I already said it's not my thing. I'm just saying that for whatever reason, it's just "here".. I also don't think the people that choose to make the movies can claim victim status, so I'm not sure why anyone feels sorry for them.

[Pale Rider]

No. I already said it's not my thing. I'm just saying that for whatever reason, it's just "here".. I also don't think the people that choose to make the movies can claim victim status, so I'm not sure why anyone feels sorry for them.

Yeah it's "here" alright... for better or worse. I guess that's what we've been talking about, no? :D

And as far as the people in the flicks, ta hell with 'em. They chose to be in it. I don't feel sorry for them either, and they're sure as hell not victims. Most are doing it purely for MONEY.

[glockmail]

Hey Cupcake! PR's a big boy and I'm pretty sure he doesn't need a virtual transvestite to protect him from lil' ol' me. You have enough trouble defending your own posts without distracting yourself by defending PR. What's wrong, FagBoy? Into THAT part of your menstral cycle again? :laugh2:

[glockmail]

"Cupcake".... :laugh2: :lmao: No kiddin'- what a douchebag that FagBoy is. :pee:

[glockmail]

Not to be *overly* picky or anything, but how many *decent* women do you find hanging out in a bar every weekend? :coffee:

Knew a lot in college that did that.

[shattered]

What about those of you that post half (or less) clothed women just to decide whether they're considered "hot"? Doesn't that fall under "mild" pornography? And what type of sites did you have to search to find said pics? Isn't that disgraceful to your wives, or SO's?

[Missileman]

What about those of you that post half (or less) clothed women just to decide whether they're considered "hot"? Doesn't that fall under "mild" pornography? And what type of sites did you have to search to find said pics? Isn't that disgraceful to your wives, or SO's?

It's all right as long as noone crosses the pornography line. As with most debates about morality though, the position of the line is in question.

[Missileman]

What's wrong, FagBoy? Into THAT part of your menstral cycle again? :laugh2:

I'm sorry Cupcake! I didn't mean to interrupt your courtship of PR. Carry on!

[shattered]

I'm sorry Cupcake! I didn't mean to interrupt your courtship of PR. Carry on!

Don't suppose you two could keep your bickering confined elsewhere, huh?

[Missileman]

Don't suppose you two could keep your bickering confined elsewhere, huh?

Yes Ma'am! :salute:

[shattered]

Yes Ma'am! :salute:

Thank you kindly. :)

[Pale Rider]

What about those of you that post half (or less) clothed women just to decide whether they're considered "hot"? Doesn't that fall under "mild" pornography? And what type of sites did you have to search to find said pics? Isn't that disgraceful to your wives, or SO's?

I'd say not. I don't think there is degrees of porn. It's either porn or it's not, and I wouldn't say a picture of a girl that's clothed, even scantily, was porn. Porn to me is anything depicting having sex. Pictures, movies, live shows, etc..

[shattered]

I'd say not. I don't think there is degrees of porn. It's either porn or it's not, and I wouldn't say a picture of a girl that's clothed, even scantily, was porn. Porn to me is anything depicting having sex. Pictures, movies, live shows, etc..

Ok, then what about the people getting busted with pics of small children that are half clothed? That's considered child porn regardless of whether there is sex involved or not, to my understanding, and rightfully so... That most definitely falls under my definition of sick and twisted.

I think each person has a different definition of "porn", thus different levels of morals, so I don't see how this poll can be anything but skewed for results...

[Doniston]

Ok, then what about the people getting busted with pics of small children that are half clothed? That's considered child porn regardless of whether there is sex involved or not, to my understanding, and rightfully so... That most definitely falls under my definition of sick and twisted.

I think each person has a different definition of "porn", thus different levels of morals, so I don't see how this poll can be anything but skewed for results...

So you beleive nudity is porn?

Now,I would call "THAT" sick and twisted

After all, That "IS" the way we were made.

[shattered]

So you beleive nudity is porn? I would call "THAT" sick and twisted That is the way were were made.

Are you truly that stupid, or are you just pretending because you feel the need to speak?

Show me exactly where I said any nudity is considered porn.

[No1tovote4]

I can't imagine a world without the freedom for some to, without victimizing others as in child porn, create what others might find "morally reprehensible". So long as all participants are of age to make decisions for themselves, and are willing participants, I can see no reason to limit the actions of others.

I'd hate for the majority to suddenly find, oh let's say hunting, something that I do as morally reprehensible and thus subject a constitutional right to the trash-heap for their own morality judgement.

This would be one of those times where somebody might be giving up freedom for security...

[shattered]

I can't imagine a world without the freedom for some to, without victimizing others as in child porn, create what others might find "morally reprehensible". So long as all participants are of age to make decisions for themselves, and are willing participants, I can see no reason to limit the actions of others.

I'd hate for the majority to suddenly find, oh let's say hunting, something that I do as morally reprehensible and thus subject a constitutional right to the trash-heap for their own morality judgement.

This would be one of those times where somebody might be giving up freedom for security...

Agreed 100%.

I don't agree with hunting in the least (therefore, I don't do it), as there are more than enough animals bred strictly for food purposes. HOWEVER, if you're going to kill only what you'll actually eat, and eat what you kill, you're being responsible about it. Have at it.

[Doniston]

Are you truly that stupid, or are you just pretending because you feel the need to speak?

Show me exactly where I said any nudity is considered porn.

Your own words:


Ok, then what about the people getting busted with pics of small children that are half clothed? That's considered child porn regardless of whether there is sex involved or not, to my understanding, and rightfully so...

that IS what you posted, RIGHT???

[shattered]

Your own words:


Ok, then what about the people getting busted with pics of small children that are half clothed? That's considered child porn regardless of whether there is sex involved or not, to my understanding, and rightfully so...

that IS what you posted, RIGHT???

That's the friggen LAW, dumbass! You get caught with pics of half naked children on your computer, or on your person, and those children are not related to you, odds are you're going to be Bubba's new girlfriend BEHIND BARS.

[shattered]

Now, again, show me where I said all nudity is porn, or retract your statement.

[Nienna]

I can't imagine a world without the freedom for some to, without victimizing others as in child porn, create what others might find "morally reprehensible". So long as all participants are of age to make decisions for themselves, and are willing participants, I can see no reason to limit the actions of others.

I'd hate for the majority to suddenly find, oh let's say hunting, something that I do as morally reprehensible and thus subject a constitutional right to the trash-heap for their own morality judgement.

This would be one of those times where somebody might be giving up freedom for security...

Hate to say it, but this is why the idea of "diversity" will fail. Culture has, as its very basis, a common code of morality. This code is the foundation of law & etiquette. If no consensus can be reached, that is where the society begins to unravel.

[Doniston]

That's the friggen LAW, dumbass! You get caught with pics of half naked children on your computer, or on your person, and those children are not related to you, odds are you're going to be Bubba's new girlfriend BEHIND BARS. No one is arguing that it isn't the law. Your comment said that such was porno.

When I was 18, I took a prizewinning photo of a one year old Girl in the bathtub. Her mother submitted the photo.

and you will find Half Naked people, (not just kids) around every swimming pool.

And Nudity, even child nudity is not against the law in nudist colonies.

[Doniston]

Now, again, show me where I said all nudity is porn, or retract your statement. Go back to the post. I never said you beleived that, I ASKED if you did. No retraction required.
like I said, it seems that all you want is to argue. :)

[Missileman]

Hate to say it, but this is why the idea of "diversity" will fail. Culture has, as its very basis, a common code of morality. This code is the foundation of law & etiquette. If no consensus can be reached, that is where the society begins to unravel.

It appears that some people's code of morality isn't as common as they'd like to think it is.

[Pale Rider]

Ok, then what about the people getting busted with pics of small children that are half clothed? That's considered child porn regardless of whether there is sex involved or not, to my understanding, and rightfully so... That most definitely falls under my definition of sick and twisted.

I think each person has a different definition of "porn", thus different levels of morals, so I don't see how this poll can be anything but skewed for results...

Hell shattered, my mother has pictures of me when I was little naked. I think it all depends on what your intended USE of kiddy pictures are. Are they sincere memiors' of loved ones, or sick crap you're getting off on? Two totally different things.

I don't think there's any room to wiggle on that. Either you're a pervert, or you're not.

[shattered]

Hell shattered, my mother has pictures of me when I was little naked. I think it all depends on what your intended USE of kiddy pictures are. Are they sincere memiors' of loved ones, or sick crap you're getting off on? Two totally different things.

I don't think there's any room to wiggle on that. Either you're a pervert, or you're not.

Somebody (I think it might have even been you - not sure) said that porn pretty much starts with a sexual act - not half, or unclothed people.. I merely pointed out that one does not always need to be engaged in a sexual act for something to be considered porn, regardless of what kind it is...

How whomever this Doniston character is managed to twist that into something else entirely is completely beyond me..

[Doniston]

Somebody (I think it might have even been you - not sure) said that porn pretty much starts with a sexual act - not half, or unclothed people.. I merely pointed out that one does not always need to be engaged in a sexual act for something to be considered porn, regardless of what kind it is...

How whomever this Doniston character is managed to twist that into something else entirely is completely beyond me..

That is simply untrue. I commented on your words, and tho you may also have said these. I certainly don't recall them.

I Do recall those I quoted more than once.

now if you want to ignore the truth, so be it. It was your words that were twisted, I didn't have to do it.

Shall I post them again to prove what you said???

[shattered]

That is simply untrue. I commented on your words, and tho you may also have said these. I certainly don't recall them.

I Do recall those I quoted more than once.

now if you want to ignore the truth, so be it. It was your words that were twisted, I didn't have to do it.

Shall I post them again to prove what you said???

Man, you're an idiot. You jumped in to the middle of a discussion, wherein you have no idea what's going on between 2 other people, took a random sentence out of an entire conversation, and twisted it to say something entirely different, and then when called on it, you play stupid.

God, you're dumber than a pile of bricks. PLEASE go stalk someone elses posts.

[Doniston]

Man, you're an idiot. You jumped in to the middle of a discussion, wherein you have no idea what's going on between 2 other people, took a random sentence out of an entire conversation, and twisted it to say something entirely different, and then when called on it, you play stupid.

God, you're dumber than a pile of bricks. PLEASE go stalk someone elses posts. One, it was far more than a random sentence, and I respond to what people write, not what they might otherwise have meant. You may consider me whatever you wish, but I can easily understand why you get booted. No matter. Your insults have no effect. I simple take it from whence it comes and understand. (That also includes your rep statemernts.)

And It's really too bad that your skin is so thin you can't admit to being wrong. YOU MADE THE STATEMENT. I merely commented upon WHAT YOU SAID..

[shattered]

One, it was far more than a random sentence, and I respond to what people write, not what they might otherwise have meant. You may consider me whatever you wish, but I can easily understand why you get booted. No matter. Your insults have no effect. I simple take it from whence it comes and understand. (That also includes your rep statemernts.)

And It's really too bad that your skin is so thin you can't admit to being wrong. YOU MADE THE STATEMENT. I merely commented upon WHAT YOU SAID..

Huh? I get booted from where? I've never been booted from anywhere. Seriously, dude.. Where are you getting the shit you post?

[Powerman]

Just wondering your opinions...


If it is destructive why do you support it as "free speech"?

If you feel it's helpful, how?

So should we ban all destructive free speech? To me that would be more destructive than the speech itself.

And I don't find porn to be destructive. It's only destructive to the people involved and not necessarily all of them.

[Powerman]

It's bad. It promotes lust and infidelity, not to mention degrades sex as a pleasurable interlude between married couples. It makes sex look cheap and sullied.

I'd say that the people who think sex is only for procreation cheapen it as well.

[Said1]

That is simply untrue. I commented on your words, and tho you may also have said these. I certainly don't recall them.

I Do recall those I quoted more than once.

now if you want to ignore the truth, so be it. It was your words that were twisted, I didn't have to do it.

Shall I post them again to prove what you said???

I'm fairly certain it was safe to assume shattered was talking about INAPPROPRIATE photos of young children, partially naked, used for sexual pleasure by pedophiles. Not one tasteful photo taken of a small child in the bath.

Question, did this child's parent know you were present and taking pictures while her child was bathing? Probably.


Honestly, reach much?

[glockmail]

I'm sorry Cupcake! I didn't mean to interrupt your courtship of PR. Carry on!


Don't suppose you two could keep your bickering confined elsewhere, huh?


Perhaps you two should have a seafood meal together.

[Doniston]

Huh? I get booted from where? I've never been booted from anywhere. Seriously, dude.. Where are you getting the shit you post? Sorry, if that is true, I apologize. I assumed that from something else on the form. Tho I stand by the statement that your comments warrant such a belief. You are anything but civil.

[Pale Rider]

I'd say that the people who think sex is only for procreation cheapen it as well.

And WHAT would be your reasoning for that statement?

[shattered]

Sorry, if that is true, I apologize. I assumed that from something else on the form. Tho I stand by the statement that your comments warrant such a belief. You are anything but civil.

I'm perfectly civil. I just have a *very* low tolerance for obvious stupidity.

[glockmail]

Sorry, if that is true, I apologize. I assumed that from something else on the form. Tho I stand by the statement that your comments warrant such a belief. You are anything but civil. She's totally uncivil until you land a good zing on her. Then suddenly she's an innocent victim. :laugh2:

[Pale Rider]

She's totally uncivil until you land a good zing on her. Then suddenly she's an innocent victim. :laugh2:

I don't know about that glock. I like shattered. She's been with this group on Jimmy's boards for a long time.

Give her a chance maybe. She's actually a pretty good person.

[glockmail]

I don't know about that glock. I like shattered. She's been with this group on Jimmy's boards for a long time.

Give her a chance maybe. She's actually a pretty good person.

I can stand her mostly. I love to zing my three sisters the same way. Matter of fact, she reminds me of my kid sis. I've zinged her so bad over the years she has my emails blocked- going on three years now! :laugh2: The other two know how to take a joke and zing me back.

Come-on, Red- Where's the love, baby!! :laugh2:

[shattered]

I can stand her mostly. I love to zing my three sisters the same way. Matter of fact, she reminds me of my kid sis. I've zinged her so bad over the years she has my emails blocked- going on three years now! :laugh2: The other two know how to take a joke and zing me back.

Come-on, Red- Where's the love, baby!! :laugh2:

Sorry.. I do not consider sexual comments, and lesbian cracks to be good "zings" in response to discussions having nothing to do with such. I find them to be lame, childish, and downright creepy.

[Pale Rider]

Sorry.. I do not consider sexual comments, and lesbian cracks to be good "zings" in response to discussions having nothing to do with such. I find them to be lame, childish, and downright creepy.

But baby... that's now what you said to me last night... :laugh2:

*rapidly looking for cover* :D

[Dilloduck]

http://www.albion.edu/pleiad/2007_spring/issue10/features/features1.asp

Pornified
Pornography not hard to swallow on today’s campus

[glockmail]

....lesbian cracks .....

:lol:

[glockmail]

But baby... that's now what you said to me last night... :laugh2:

*rapidly looking for cover* :D

OMG I can't breathe!!!! :lol: :lol:

:salute:

[shattered]

Bye..

[glockmail]

Bye..
Cum on, sis! Don't cut me off now! :laugh2:

[Pale Rider]

Bye..

Sorry... :o

[glockmail]

She'll be back. They always come back for more. :poke:

[gabosaurus]

It's bad. It promotes lust and infidelity, not to mention degrades sex as a pleasurable interlude between married couples. It makes sex look cheap and sullied.

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

[Yurt]

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

How is that funny?

[shattered]

How is that funny?

She doesn't really think it's funny. She's just trying to let the neighborhood know her time out is over, and she's back.

[Pale Rider]

She doesn't really think it's funny. She's just trying to let the neighborhood know her time out is over, and she's back.

Well that's just the kind of stuff that got her banned in the first place. I guess she won't be happy until she's perma banned.

[typomaniac]

I wonder if this kind of junior-high innuendo is what got Jim so upset in the first place.

My vote: pornography is neither helpful or harmful; it has its good points and its bad ones. Whoever cares to debate that with me in a civilized way is quite welcome to.

[glockmail]

I wonder if this kind of junior-high innuendo is what got Jim so upset in the first place.

My vote: pornography is neither helpful or harmful; it has its good points and its bad ones. Whoever cares to debate that with me in a civilized way is quite welcome to.

Sorry, but I'm gonna have to "clam up" here. :laugh2: