Man replaced ‘Muslims’ with ‘Jews’ in Wilders pamphlet, got arrested

[abso]

Man replaced ‘Muslims’ with ‘Jews’ in Wilders pamphlet, got arrested (http://spiritualchange.blogsome.com/2010/12/17/arrested-for-replacing-muslims-with-jews/)




On March 24, 2008, a man was arrested in Amsterdam for ‘making discrimanatory statements against Jews’. He had taken a text from Geert Wilders and replaced the words ‘Islam’ and ‘Muslims’ with ‘Judaism’ and ‘Jews’.
This resulted in a text with slogans such as ‘No more Jews to enter the country’; ‘Many Jews out of the country’; ‘Denaturalisation of Jewish criminals’ and ‘Stop the immigration of Jews’.
The man had hoped that his arrest would also cause Geert Wilders to be arrested.

Dutch National Police (http://politie-nederland.nl/index.php/nieuws-berichten/14-13-amsterdam-amstelland/673-aanhouding-om-anti-wilders-pamflet-bij-protest-dam)

This makes it absolutely clear that we have started working with double standards. It is allowed to make statements against Muslims which one would be arrested for if made against Jews.




interesting freedom of speech and justice system...............


http://spiritualchange.blogsome.com/2010/12/17/arrested-for-replacing-muslims-with-jews/

[NightTrain]

Man replaced ‘Muslims’ with ‘Jews’ in Wilders pamphlet, got arrested (http://spiritualchange.blogsome.com/2010/12/17/arrested-for-replacing-muslims-with-jews/)





interesting freedom of speech and justice system...............


http://spiritualchange.blogsome.com/2010/12/17/arrested-for-replacing-muslims-with-jews/


If Jews had been sawing off heads on video, blowing up nightclubs and public transportation and strapping bombs around their children to kill innocents, he probably would have been allowed to say such things.

[darin]

Ya know what, Abso? I can't think of ANY country that guarantees folks "Freedom of Speech" - The USA surely doesn't. In our constitution - and I have to say we enjoy probably the GREATEST measure of the idea of 'freedom of speech' in the world - forbids the government from stifling anti-gov't speech.

[abso]

If Jews had been sawing off heads on video, blowing up nightclubs and public transportation and strapping bombs around their children to kill innocents, he probably would have been allowed to say such things.

law and constitution and freedom of speech as you see it, isnt about feelings, since you dont care about peaceful muslims feelings like me, then the fact that you or dutch government hates muslims doesnt matter, if you want to apply freedom of speech, then you allow everyone to practice it.

so unless you are a hypocrite, you should be condemining what the dutch police did.

[abso]

Ya know what, Abso? I can't think of ANY country that guarantees folks "Freedom of Speech" - The USA surely doesn't. In our constitution - and I have to say we enjoy probably the GREATEST measure of the idea of 'freedom of speech' in the world - forbids the government from stifling anti-gov't speech.

as you see dmp, i didnt post this in the USA policy section, this is the international policy section, and i am not talking about the US freedom of speech, i am talking about the double standards applied in netherland.

but maybe the fact that you ignored the subject, and deflected it from netherland to USA, means that you just dont want to agree with me that they were wrong to arrest that muslim man.

and by the way, if a muslim made such a statement in USA, he will be charged with anti-semitism, so its not any different than netherland.

[darin]

as you see dmp, i didnt post this in the USA policy section, this is the international policy section, and i am not talking about the US freedom of speech, i am talking about the double standards applied in netherland.

but maybe the fact that you ignored the subject, and deflected it from netherland to USA, means that you just dont want to agree with me that they were wrong to arrest that muslim man.

and by the way, if a muslim made such a statement in USA, he will be charged with anti-semitism, so its not any different than netherland.

I realize that - I was clarifying USA law. I didn't comment on the man's arrest; thus, it's improper for you to judge whether or not I agree with you. :)

Thankfully, nobody in the USA can be charged or convicted for simply being a racist. Not yet. That day will happen, however, along with arrests for folks disagreeing with what will eventually be a socialist/progressive government.

[Noir]

Seems pretty clear cut to me, if one is judged to be wrong so should both, if one is judged to be fine then o should both, you can't split it.

[abso]

I realize that - I was clarifying USA law. I didn't comment on the man's arrest; thus, it's improper for you to judge whether or not I agree with you. :)

Thankfully, nobody in the USA can be charged or convicted for simply being a racist. Not yet. That day will happen, however, along with arrests for folks disagreeing with what will eventually be a socialist/progressive government.

okay, then i am sorry, and if i may ask you the following:

do you agree with arresting that man or not ?

and if you do agree with that, then dont you think that if they arrest him for saying the same things that other man said about muslims, then shouldnt the other man be arrested to ?

[abso]

Seems pretty clear cut to me, if one is judged to be wrong so should both, if one is judged to be fine then o should both, you can't split it.

apparently, Netherland disagree with you, they have no problem when a man say it about muslims, but saying it about jews is a problem :rolleyes:

[darin]

okay, then i am sorry, and if i may ask you the following:

do you agree with arresting that man or not ?

and if you do agree with that, then dont you think that if they arrest him for saying the same things that other man said about muslims, then shouldnt the other man be arrested to ?

No one should ever be arrested for thoughts or beliefs - only their actions.

[Noir]

apparently, Netherland disagree with you, they have no problem when a man say it about muslims, but saying it about jews is a problem :rolleyes:

I have yet to find a countries legal system that agrees with me on much about anything TBH.

[jimnyc]

apparently, Netherland disagree with you, they have no problem when a man say it about muslims, but saying it about jews is a problem :rolleyes:

If I were you, this would be one of the LAST subjects I would discuss. I could say whatever I want about Muslims and/or Muhammed in the majority of countries. But if I do so in an Islamic country, I'll sure as hell get more than arrested!!

[abso]

If I were you, this would be one of the LAST subjects I would discuss. I could say whatever I want about Muslims and/or Muhammed in the majority of countries. But if I do so in an Islamic country, I'll sure as hell get more than arrested!!

you will get arrested for disrespecting any religion in Islamic countries, come to egypt, try to disrespect Jesus, and then see what will happen :rolleyes:

we dont tolerate insults to religions, not judaism, not christianity, and not Islam.

draw pictures that insults jesus, and then come and try to spread them here in Egypt, the muslims will be faster in sending you to jail than the christians.

and you just defelcted from the subject and didnt contribute to it Jim :D.

do you agree with arresting that muslim man or do you disagree with it ?

and if you agree with arresting him because said that about jews, then do you think that the same standard should be used for saying it about Islam or not ?

[jimnyc]

you will get arrested for disrespecting any religion in Islamic countries, come to egypt, try to disrespect Jesus, and then see what will happen :rolleyes:

Maybe in your little corner of Egypt, but hell, I've seen entire protests against other religions in many Islamic countries. You don't think they condemn other religions in Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia? You're very naive if you believe insults against Christians and insults against Muhammed would be treated the same. That's laughable!


we dont tolerate insults to religions, not judaism, not christianity, and not Islam.

Bullshit, do I need to post pictures/proof of actual protests against other religions, from various countries?


draw pictures that insults jesus, and then come and try to spread them here in Egypt, the muslims will be faster in sending you to jail than the christians.

We're not talking about JUST Egypt here, are we? Why do you fall back to Egypt when that's not even the place we are discussing?


and you just defelcted from the subject and didnt contribute to it Jim :D.

Didn't deflect anything. You seem to be on some sort of tirade today about Christians/USA. I simply pointed out that your subject was hypocritical.


do you agree with arresting that muslim man or do you disagree with it ?

and if you agree with arresting him because said that about jews, then do you think that the same standard should be used for saying it about Islam or not ?

I don't agree with the arrest, no. But I also know that in the MAJORITY of Islamic countries, it would be the same. What if someone from Israel did this in Iran? Hell, he'd be hung before arrested!

[abso]

Maybe in your little corner of Egypt, but hell, I've seen entire protests against other religions in many Islamic countries. You don't think they condemn other religions in Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia? You're very naive if you believe insults against Christians and insults against Muhammed would be treated the same. That's laughable!


Bullshit, do I need to post pictures/proof of actual protests against other religions, from various countries?



We're not talking about JUST Egypt here, are we? Why do you fall back to Egypt when that's not even the place we are discussing?



Didn't deflect anything. You seem to be on some sort of tirade today about Christians/USA. I simply pointed out that your subject was hypocritical.



I don't agree with the arrest, no. But I also know that in the MAJORITY of Islamic countries, it would be the same. What if someone from Israel did this in Iran? Hell, he'd be hung before arrested!

i always talk about Egypt because i consider it as a model for free Islamic countries, we are not too strict like Iran or Saudia, and not too progressive like Tunisia or Algeria, we are moderate people.

and by the way, if you insulted Jesus in Saudia, you will get arrested for sure :rolleyes:

about Iran, i am not sure, but they are stupid country anyway, as i have said many time, i dont like them, they are a very radical country, so their acts is nothing of my concern, they dont represent us muslims.

and thanks for disagreeing with the arrest, you could have simply said that instead of bringing muslim countries into the subject :rolleyes:

and yes please post some pictures for muslim people insulting Jesus, i would really like to see them, so that i list such place in my "Not to go list" ;)

[jimnyc]

Blasphemy! Then you get sentenced to death!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_Bibi

http://www.ewtnnews.com/catholic-news/new.php?id=1198

But I guess you'll just disown Pakistan now too, like you have already pretty much disowned Iran and Syria.

[jimnyc]

Some more tolerant muslims (click to enlarge):

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[jimnyc]

and yes please post some pictures for muslim people insulting Jesus, i would really like to see them, so that i list such place in my "Not to go list" ;)

Be prepared to leave home then! LOL

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=240013
http://www.chroniclewatch.com/2010/01/10/christians-receive-islamic-christmas-present/
http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Egypt-Muslims-torch-Christian-homes-20101116
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/03/egypt-crowd-of-3000-muslims-attacks-coptic-christian-community.html
http://www.newsnet14.com/2010/09/11/egypt-muslims-burn-christian-man-alive-stab-his-father-to-death/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11768330
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jO1Y9xBiN33Xc6typl0HP8OTrn7A?docId=e2cec9efc 15d43fe9487882cb7909a1b
http://www.aina.org/news/20100511203439.htm


Read them all - many different stories - but all are from Egypt - and all are muslims attacking Christians.

Egypt has been killing/harassing/murdering Christians for many years now. While they may not be holding up signs, I believe killing others simply because they are Christian is attacking the faith and Jesus.

Like most Islamic countries, not very tolerant of Christians.

[NightTrain]

law and constitution and freedom of speech as you see it, isnt about feelings, since you dont care about peaceful muslims feelings like me, then the fact that you or dutch government hates muslims doesnt matter, if you want to apply freedom of speech, then you allow everyone to practice it.

so unless you are a hypocrite, you should be condemining what the dutch police did.

I was simply pointing out what the probable difference is in what the Dutch authorities thought. I didn't say it was legal, I have no idea if it was legal or not under Dutch law.

I'm hoping that he gets a very large & aggressive Jewish cellmate while he thinks things over - one that takes a fancy to him, if you know what I mean.


and by the way, if a muslim made such a statement in USA, he will be charged with anti-semitism, so its not any different than netherland.

You don't know what you're talking about.

He would be called a nutjob and our security people would keep a close eye on him to determine if he's up to no good. But he wouldn't be charged with anything - no consequences other than ridicule by normal citizens like myself.

You're allowed to say pretty much anything you want here in America, with a few exceptions, there's even a "Christian" church that goes around saying despicable things about our soldiers being killed, going so far as to show up at the soldier's funerals to further traumatize the grieving families. It's legal. They're scumbags, but it's legal.

[jimnyc]

and by the way, if a muslim made such a statement in USA, he will be charged with anti-semitism, so its not any different than netherland.

Didn't notice this until NT replied to it.

I cal BULLSHIT on you Abso and would like to see you now backup your claims. Hell, I don't even believe there is any type of law for anti-semitism in America. Unlike Islamworld where every little thing you do is watched (cept for terrorism apparently), here in the USA we are allowed to condemn leaders and speak our minds about other religions.

Show me some muslims prosecuted as such in the US.

[NightTrain]

Some more tolerant muslims (click to enlarge):

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LOL

What's that sign mean on the right in the 3rd pic? Freedom will send muslims to hell?

If that's the case, then my whole theory of modernizing islamic governments will never work. Time to warm up a few silos.

[CAPTDASH]

If I were you, this would be one of the LAST subjects I would discuss. I could say whatever I want about Muslims and/or Muhammed in the majority of countries. But if I do so in an Islamic country, I'll sure as hell get more than arrested!!

CORRECTION, you would be stoned, beaten, or even beheaded if you discredit anything to do with Muslims.

Abso, why don't you go into isolation or ban yourself? You are totally a hypocrite and the more you post, the more retarded you sound. :slap::pee: on you.

[jimnyc]

CORRECTION, you would be stoned, beaten, or even beheaded if you discredit anything to do with Muslims.

Abso, why don't you go into isolation or ban yourself? You are totally a hypocrite and the more you post, the more retarded you sound. :slap::pee: on you.

I can't deny what you say, I have seen MANY stoned/beaten/beheaded for various offenses in Islam, none worthy of more than a slap on the wrist in a civilized world.


LOL

What's that sign mean on the right in the 3rd pic? Freedom will send muslims to hell?

If that's the case, then my whole theory of modernizing islamic governments will never work. Time to warm up a few silos.

Those muslims with the signs are kinda like the "Westboro Baptist" church nutcases. But they are only about 10 strong, while you can find thousands and thousands and thousands just like these shitheads in the pictures. But Abso will just say they are not real muslims, so they don't count. By MY count now, Abso has discredited about 50 million people in tens of nations as not being "true" muslims. Pretty soon it's just going to be him standing on a corner by himself. That is till he pulls the string and does in himself too.

[NightTrain]

Pretty soon it's just going to be him standing on a corner by himself. That is till he pulls the string and does in himself too.

I just fucked up my laptop with sprayed coffee.

[jimnyc]

I just fucked up my laptop with sprayed coffee.

I should pay the bill. Probably about $10 or so for a damn good cleaning.

On a great laptop, it would cost about $500 to replace the entire screen.

It would cost around $120 to replace the keyboard.

An "average" laptop will cost $700-$1000.

If I stated the above in many Islamic countries I would have my tongue or entire head removed! In comparison, picking up your tab is rather cheap!

[abso]

Blasphemy! Then you get sentenced to death!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_Bibi

http://www.ewtnnews.com/catholic-news/new.php?id=1198

But I guess you'll just disown Pakistan now too, like you have already pretty much disowned Iran and Syria.

about Syria, its not that radical as you may think, its actually more moderate than many other arab countries, and maybe even more than egypt, they are not that religious as you think.

about Iran and Pakistan, surely those are two place i never want to visit unless their stupid radical system and ideas is changed.

about Asia Bibi case, thats very very stupid !!!, not to drink water because a christian women got it !!!, they should thank her greatfully for bringing them water instead of refusing to drink it, i always eat dinners and go out with my christian friends, not just drink water brought by them!!!

and about the verdict to excute her, i also condemened that few weeks ago, and said that i dont agree with it, you dont have to repeat yourself jim, you already knew my opinion about that matter, why to post it again ???

[NightTrain]

about Iran and Pakistan, surely those are two place i never want to visit unless their stupid radical system and ideas is changed.

So, you would support the USA if we decide to invade Iran and give them a better government, yes?

If you can round up a few thousand volunteers in Egypt, we will provide the bomb belts. You guys go in first and we'll be along to clean up.

[abso]

So, you would support the USA if we decide to invade Iran and give them a better government, yes?

If you can round up a few thousand volunteers in Egypt, we will provide the bomb belts. You guys go in first and we'll be along to clean up.

ignoring the sarcastic childish usual part of your reply which only shows your immaturity, i will only reply to your reasonable part:

no i wont support that war, i dont like Iran, but also i know that it wont attack anyone, their leader is "all talk no action", he just talks and talks and talks, but i know for sure that they will never attack, because they know that if they attack, USA, EU, Israel and probably most arab countries will attack them, so how can they attack anyone while they already know that the whole world will be united against them ???

[jimnyc]

ignoring the sarcastic childish usual part of your reply which only shows your immaturity, i will only reply to your reasonable part:

no i wont support that war, i dont like Iran, but also i know that it wont attack anyone, their leader is "all talk no action", he just talks and talks and talks, but i know for sure that they will never attack, because they know that if they attack, USA, EU, Israel and probably most arab countries will attack them, so how can they attack anyone while they already know that the whole world will be united against them ???

Just wanted to laugh at you real quickly if you don't mind. I see you edited your post. I was here and read your original post, which left off the 1st small paragraph. You apparently edited your response to tell NT you were going to ignore his sarcasm. Wouldn't that have been achieved by your first post, and by editing it you actually have now acknowledged it?

Your anger is getting to you today, Abso, and it's showing. It's bleeding out of your pores today. It wouldn't surprise me if you tried to blow up this thread by the end of the day.

[NightTrain]

ignoring the sarcastic childish usual part of your reply which only shows your immaturity, i will only reply to your reasonable part:

I have a warped sense of humor. You didn't think that was funny?

Seriously though, don't you want to take part in a Noble endeavor to liberate Iran from it's oppressive rulers and make your neighbor safe to live next to?

You guys have a problem there, even you admit that. What are you arabs going to do about it? Sit there until he finally nukes someone? What's going to happen when those North Korean guidance systems malfunction and Iran nukes Cairo by mistake?

Seems to me that you're all sitting around doing nothing except bitching about how the USA keeps killing off all your bad guys.

Wouldn't it be nice if you all got off your asses and did something constructive to fix the Middle East?

You don't like America invading countries and killing off muslims by the thousands? Good, we don't like it either. Fix your own problems and we won't have to.


no i wont support that war, i dont like Iran, but also i know that it wont attack anyone, their leader is "all talk no action", he just talks and talks and talks, but i know for sure that they will never attack, because they know that if they attack, USA, EU, Israel and probably most arab countries will attack them, so how can they attack anyone while they already know that the whole world will be united against them ???

Yeah, and no one thought Saddam was stupid enough to invade Kuwait after being told he'd get his ass kicked if he did.

Seriously. Why don't you start demanding publicly that you muslims start policing your part of the world so we don't have to? We'd be more than happy to bring all our troops home if you did.

Muslim vs. Muslim combat would be a much better deal for everyone concerned. We're all for it.