Fred Phelps says VT massacre was "God's wrath"

[gabosaurus]

"We wish the 33 massacre victims were 33,000"

And to think that there are people who follow and support this truly sick man.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0e0_1178304529

[5stringJeff]

There have been many refutations of Fred Phelps by the Christians on this site, and almost all Christian organizations worldwide. He's a cultist and does not represent Christian values.

On the other hand, such refutations about Islamic terrorists from "moderate Muslims" are few and far between.

[Kathianne]

There have been many refutations of Fred Phelps by the Christians on this site, and almost all Christian organizations worldwide. He's a cultist and does not represent Christian values.

On the other hand, such refutations about Islamic terrorists from "moderate Muslims" are few and far between.Why do I get the feeling there may have been an intent to smear Fred Thompson with the title? Everyone knows Phelps is whacked.

[Hagbard Celine]

There have been many refutations of Fred Phelps by the Christians on this site, and almost all Christian organizations worldwide. He's a cultist and does not represent Christian values.

On the other hand, such refutations about Islamic terrorists from "moderate Muslims" are few and far between.

So are refutations from Christians of abortion center bombers. :dunno:

[Guernicaa]

There have been many refutations of Fred Phelps by the Christians on this site, and almost all Christian organizations worldwide. He's a cultist and does not represent Christian values.
Actually, from the comments I've seen concerning god and homosexuality, most of the "Christians" on here are no better than Phelps.

[glockmail]

There have been many refutations of Fred Phelps by the Christians on this site, and almost all Christian organizations worldwide. He's a cultist and does not represent Christian values.

On the other hand, such refutations about Islamic terrorists from "moderate Muslims" are few and far between.


Right on the money. :clap:

[Gaffer]

phelps is not a christian, he's a cultist. And the only ones lumping him in with christians are the libs.

[Yurt]

So are refutations from Christians of abortion center bombers. :dunno:

Get real. Read the news.

[Kathianne]

phelps is not a christian, he's a cultist. And the only ones lumping him in with christians are the libs.

right. All sorts of mainline Christians have not only condemned, but have help to prevent his disruptions at funerals and other demonstrations.

[glockmail]

Fred was right about one thing though. It was God's wrath.

[Missileman]

It was God's wrath.

Bullshit! Only someone seriously mentally deranged would think so.

[avatar4321]

Actually, from the comments I've seen concerning god and homosexuality, most of the "Christians" on here are no better than Phelps.

Then you have some literacy issues.

[Samantha]

There have been many refutations of Fred Phelps by the Christians on this site, and almost all Christian organizations worldwide. He's a cultist and does not represent Christian values.

On the other hand, such refutations about Islamic terrorists from "moderate Muslims" are few and far between.Sounds like you are only seeing what you want to see. I haven't heard about Christian organizations condemning Fred Phelps. Care to share some links?

But I have heard lots of Muslims condemning terrorism. I'll post some for you.

http://www.cair-net.org/crisiscenter/html/cair_ad.html

http://www.islamicity.com/articles/Articles.asp?ref=AM0109-335

http://www.islam-democracy.org/terrorism_statement.asp

http://www.themodernreligion.com/terror/wtc-distortion.html

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/39887_islam22.shtml

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/5111092.stm

http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/news/news.php?article=1062

http://muslim-canada.org/news09112001.html

http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/terror.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1544955.stm

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php


Why do I get the feeling there may have been an intent to smear Fred Thompson with the title? Everyone knows Phelps is whacked.How does the title have anything to do with Fred Thompson?

Do you get the feeling it's smearing Fred Flinstone too?

[MtnBiker]

I edited the title so that it was correctly represented.

[Hobbit]

Fred was right about one thing though. It was God's wrath.

Nah, it was a whacked out Korean's wrath, and Koreans only count as God when you're playing Starcraft.

Actually, I'm aware of a growing movement in the Muslim community to condemn terrorists, and I really hope these people help us in the fight. However, I also hear and see a lot of Muslims support terrorists and call people like Osama 'heroes.' I also see a lot of the Muslims who do oppose terrorism getting death threats. There is even a former member of the Dutch parliment who is from Africa (I think Somalia) and is Muslim. She stands up to such horrors as terrorism and Sharia law. When Theo Van Gogh was killed, a note was stuck to his chest with a knife, and it basically told her she was next. Her Dutch citizenship was revoked and she is currently seeking Asylum in the U.S. There may be a large percentage of Muslims who oppose terrorism and Sharia law, but there are more than enough radicals to silence them.

The Christian community, on the other hand, doesn't have much to fear from various sects in most places (the Protestant/Catholic divide in Ireland being an exception). Fred Phelps isn't going to kill me because I think gays are sinners like the rest of us and, like the rest of us, can find God's grace.

[Chessplayer]

right. All sorts of mainline Christians have not only condemned, but have help to prevent his disruptions at funerals and other demonstrations.

If you are thinking of Patriot Guard, they are non-affiliated politically and religiously.

[gabosaurus]

If you don't fight Fred where he is, then he will be coming for your home next.

By the way, I think most people know I was referring to Fred Phelps. Most people don't know who the hell Fred Thompson is.

[Fountainhead]

Phelps is so far out on the fringe that it takes a Christophobic media of full of half-crazed papparazzi to find the guy.

No one else would give him the time of day

Especially Christians

[stephanie]

If you don't fight Fred where he is, then he will be coming for your home next.

By the way, I think most people know I was referring to Fred Phelps. Most people don't know who the hell Fred Thompson is.

What the heck...
Was it too much trouble for you to type out the Phelps in the title....Sheeeesh:slap:

[avatar4321]

If you don't fight Fred where he is, then he will be coming for your home next.

By the way, I think most people know I was referring to Fred Phelps. Most people don't know who the hell Fred Thompson is.

Let him come, Ill sue him for everything he has just to make sure he cant do it to anyone else.

[5stringJeff]

Sounds like you are only seeing what you want to see. I haven't heard about Christian organizations condemning Fred Phelps. Care to share some links?

I only had time to Google one. However, as I personally know several hundred evangelical Christians, I can assure you that the sentiment expressed below is common among us.

http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/5/92006gst.asp

[loosecannon]

phelps is not a christian, he's a cultist. And the only ones lumping him in with christians are the libs.

and Phelps himself.

And Christianity is itself a kind of cult, as are many/most/all religions.


Since this definition of "cult" is defined in part in terms of tension with the surrounding society, the same group may both be a cult and not a cult at different places and times. For example, Christianity was a cult by this definition in 1st and 2nd century Rome, but in fifth century Rome it is no longer a cult but rather an ecclesia (the state religion). Or similarly, very conservative Islam would (when adopted by Westerners) constitute a cult in the West, but the ecclesia in some conservative Muslim countries (e.g. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan under the Taliban). Likewise, because novelty of beliefs as well as tension is an element in the definition: in India, the Hare Krishnas are not a cult, but rather a sect (since their beliefs are largely traditional to Hindu culture), but they are by this definition a cult in the Western world (since their beliefs are largely novel to Christian culture).



sorry, but them's the facts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

[5stringJeff]

and Phelps himself.

And Christianity is itself a kind of cult, as are many/most/all religions.



sorry, but them's the facts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

Wikipedia - or, more accurately, whichever anonymous person wrote that particular description on Wikipedia - is wrong.

[loosecannon]

Wikipedia - or, more accurately, whichever anonymous person wrote that particular description on Wikipedia - is wrong.

No they were correct. The definition of a cult is based on a religion that is a rare minority within a culture.

Jesus christ was a cultist just as christianity is a cult in Iraq, and Islam is still more or less a cult in the US, thus the islamofascist bashings.

Christianity is not a cult in the US and much of the world, but it still maintains it's original cult status in much of the world, as do all religions that are not yet extinct.

Christianity is no different than any other religion. And it bears much resemblance to Sufism, Islam, Judiasm and whatever other Zoroasterian religions may exist.

BTW, the Arabs are all mentioned as tribes of israel in the old testiment.

There are no europeans tho?

[Hobbit]

No they were correct. The definition of a cult is based on a religion that is a rare minority within a culture.

Jesus christ was a cultist just as christianity is a cult in Iraq, and Islam is still more or less a cult in the US, thus the islamofascist bashings.

Christianity is not a cult in the US and much of the world, but it still maintains it's original cult status in much of the world, as do all religions that are not yet extinct.

Christianity is no different than any other religion. And it bears much resemblance to Sufism, Islam, Judiasm and whatever other Zoroasterian religions may exist.

BTW, the Arabs are all mentioned as tribes of israel in the old testiment.

There are no europeans tho?

Wrong, there were 12 tribes of Israel, all descended from Isaac. Arabs are descended from Ishmael, Isaac's older half-brother.

[loosecannon]

My mistake Hobbit:

The 12 Tribes of Ishmael


Dumah



Dumah is mentioned in the Biblical records as a city in Canaan (Joshua 15:52) It is also associated with Edom and Seir in Isaiah 21:11

Dumah is generally identified by historians with the Addyrian Adummatu people. Esarhaddon related how, in his attempt to subdue the Arabs, his father, Sennacherib struck against their capital, Adummatu, which he called the stronghold of the Arabs. Sennacherib captured their king, Haza'il, who is called, King of the Arabs. Kaza'il is also referred to in one inscription of Ashurbanipal as King of the Kedarites.

From a geographical standpoint, Adummatu is often associated with the medieval Arabic Dumat el-Jandal, which was in ancient times a very important and strategic junction on the major trade route between Syria, Babylon, Najd and the Hijaz area. Dumat el Jandal is at the southeastern end of Al Jawf, which is a desert basin, and often denotes the whole lower region of Wadi as Sirhan, the famous depression situated half way between Syria and Mesopotamia. This area has water, and was a stopping place for caravan traders coming from Tayma, before proceeding on to Syria or Babylonia.



It appears as there were 12 Arab tribes and 12 israeli tribes.

http://nabataea.net/dumah.html

[Abbey Marie]

Phelps is so far out on the fringe that it takes a Christophobic media of full of half-crazed papparazzi to find the guy.

No one else would give him the time of day

Especially Christians


You nailed it.

And welcome to the board!

[Hugh Lincoln]

You know, when I heard the news, I had that exact thought: "God is punishing Virginia Tech for the harassment of the Westboro Baptist Church." Because the connection is so clear. He's a clever one, that God.

[Samantha]

I only had time to Google one. However, as I personally know several hundred evangelical Christians, I can assure you that the sentiment expressed below is common among us.

http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/5/92006gst.aspDid my links change your mind about Muslims commonly expressed sentiment or are you still under the false impression that they condone the Fred Phelps's of their religion?

[Hugh Lincoln]

Did my links change your mind about Muslims commonly expressed sentiment or are you still under the false impression that they condone the Fred Phelps's of their religion?

Samantha, there's a big problem with this line of reasoning, and it's that whatever "peaceful" Muslims might think or do, the others are who we hear from. So while it may be true, I'm just not that impressed.

[Gaffer]

Did my links change your mind about Muslims commonly expressed sentiment or are you still under the false impression that they condone the Fred Phelps's of their religion?

Your list is made up of enablers and outright terror supporters. None of them have EVER condemned radical islamists. They use special wording to appear to do that but never outright condemn the terrorists. Many of those organizations are fronts for hezzbollah and hamas and help fund them. There's no credibility in that list. Read up on them before listing them and see who's being investigated by the FBI and how many have been kicked out of the country.

Lies and deciet are totally acceptable in islam to make their enemy feel secure.

[Gaffer]

Nah, it was a whacked out Korean's wrath, and Koreans only count as God when you're playing Starcraft.

Actually, I'm aware of a growing movement in the Muslim community to condemn terrorists, and I really hope these people help us in the fight. However, I also hear and see a lot of Muslims support terrorists and call people like Osama 'heroes.' I also see a lot of the Muslims who do oppose terrorism getting death threats. There is even a former member of the Dutch parliment who is from Africa (I think Somalia) and is Muslim. She stands up to such horrors as terrorism and Sharia law. When Theo Van Gogh was killed, a note was stuck to his chest with a knife, and it basically told her she was next. Her Dutch citizenship was revoked and she is currently seeking Asylum in the U.S. There may be a large percentage of Muslims who oppose terrorism and Sharia law, but there are more than enough radicals to silence them.

The Christian community, on the other hand, doesn't have much to fear from various sects in most places (the Protestant/Catholic divide in Ireland being an exception). Fred Phelps isn't going to kill me because I think gays are sinners like the rest of us and, like the rest of us, can find God's grace.

Actually the divide in Ireland is more along a Irish Brit divide. Northern Ireland is predominantly protestant, but also a part of Britain. It's the only part the Brits were able to hold on to after the rebelion. The Irish want their whole country back. It just happens the south is catholic while the north is protestant and that is what gets played on.