Some Dems To Oppose Pelosi's Bid For Minority Leader

[red states rule]

Well, at least some Dems are getting the message the voters sent to both parties on Election Day


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In the wake of Speaker Nancy Pelosi's stunning announcement on Friday that she will seek to remain as leader of the diminished House Democrats, moderate members of the party are beginning to line up in opposition.

Rep. Joe Donnelly, D-Ind., said he was "disappointed that Speaker Pelosi is going to seek the position of Minority Leader."

North Carolina Rep. Larry Kissell's office said he hopes Pelosi "will change her mind and step aside."

Rep. Dan Boren of Oklahoma told Fox News that voters sent a message Tuesday that they want the Democratic Party to move in a new direction.

"They want someone to lead the party who is going to be bipartisan," he said. "This is very disappointing for a lot of us in the center."

Rep. Heath Shuler, of North Carolina, has said he might challenge Pelosi because the party needs a more moderate leader.

They were among the many House Democrats whom Republicans criticized for their loyalty to the California liberal, who was a forceful though generally well-liked speaker.

But even some longtime supporters of Pelosi said she needed to step aside as the party leader.

"I voted for everything she asked me to vote for," said Rep. Albio Sires, D-N.J. "You know, sometimes in this business it's difficult to know when to move on."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/06/moderate-dems-line-opposition-pelosis-bid-minority-leader/?test=latestnews

[bullypulpit]

Only the few surviving Blue-Dogs (Democrats In Name Only). :laugh2:

[SassyLady]

I think they should keep her ... look at the damage she did in the last two years ... she should be able to completely reduce the approval ratings of congress to 0% by 2012 (or even by January for that matter).

If the Dems vote for her they are effectively telling the voters that they would rather listen to Pelosi than their constituents.

[Kathianne]

Only the few surviving Blue-Dogs (Democrats In Name Only). :laugh2:

Yep Bully, I'm with you. Keep marginalizing those moderates!

[red states rule]

I think BP just found a new friend at - gasp - Fox News!!

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[DragonStryk72]

It's a good tactical move by the Dems, and they should definitely go with someone else. They took a clear loss, and cleaning the slate as far as their leadership goes is a good first step to maybe winning some folks back next election.

However, I'm prone to believing that they'll make the mistake, and keep Pelosi in, which seems to go along with their continued hubris in regards to listening to what the people are asking for. If they don't prove they've learned the lesson, we're gonna see a conservative controlled legislative and executive after the 2012 elections

[red states rule]

It's a good tactical move by the Dems, and they should definitely go with someone else. They took a clear loss, and cleaning the slate as far as their leadership goes is a good first step to maybe winning some folks back next election.

However, I'm prone to believing that they'll make the mistake, and keep Pelosi in, which seems to go along with their continued hubris in regards to listening to what the people are asking for. If they don't prove they've learned the lesson, we're gonna see a conservative controlled legislative and executive after the 2012 elections

When have Dems ever learned from an election loss? Now the spin is, Dems were not liberal enough

With so many mushy moderates defeated there is a more liberal Dem House and I hope they move even further to the left between now and Nov 2012




Consider, for starters, the No. 1 cause of the Democrats' defeat: the economy. The Democrats, one prominent critique holds, didn't do enough to reduce unemployment and, instead, spent eons working on bills - however commendable they may have been - that weren't directed at ending the recession.

But Pelosi and her lieutenants in the House consistently argued for a bigger stimulus and passed several jobs bills that never made it through the Senate. As the incoming Obama administration debated the size of the stimulus, Wisconsin Democrat David Obey, chairman of the Appropriations Committee and one of Pelosi's oldest allies, argued that this recession was far more serious than a cyclical downturn and proposed a $1.4 trillion stimulus package to combat it. "The administration got nervous and suggested it should not break a trillion because of the symbolic value of the number," Obey told me on Monday. "My argument was that the situation was so serious you needed that symbolic value to convince the public just how serious the downturn really was."

The administration, as we know, scaled down the stimulus, and it was further reduced to win the votes of Republicans Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins in the Senate. Most economists now believe that the stimulus kept unemployment from rising to 12 percent, but it clearly wasn't large enough to reduce joblessness below the stubborn rate of 9.5percent.

Undaunted, Pelosi kept returning to job-creating bills. In the Senate, where cloture rules, Republican intransigence and the Democrats' futile search for bipartisan support extended the consideration of health-care reform for more than half a year, the question of persistent unemployment didn't come to the floor. In the House, it did repeatedly. "In November of last year," California Democrat George Miller, chairman of the Education and Labor Committee and Pelosi's closest ally in the House, told me this week, "we were looking at a winding down of stimulus spending, and we tried to tell the administration we'd be getting bad news on the economy around about August." Miller proposed a second stimulus of roughly $135 billion, but with the Senate still debating health care, it was repeatedly deferred until mid-2010, by which time it had been winnowed to just $10 billion.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/09/AR2010110905612.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

[red states rule]

This should help Pelosi round up more votes for Minority Leader. She still is not ready to listen to Republicans, and still oblivious to the election results




The results of last week's elections reflected the genuine frustration of the American people, who are justifiably angered by the continued high unemployment rate. While Democrats are also disappointed at the rate of job growth, it does not diminish what we have accomplished.
President Obama and this Congress were job creators from Day One, saving the country from the worst economic catastrophe since the Great Depression. The Recovery Act created or saved more than 3 million jobs, and America is moving forward. October marks the 10th straight month of private sector job growth.

But much more needs to be done. Democrats will strive to work with the new Republican majority to create jobs, strengthen the middle class and reduce the deficit. And we will always fight to protect Social Security and Medicare, health care reform and Wall Street reform.

Congressional experts have called the 111th Congress the most productive Congress in a half-century. Our Democratic members took tough votes to support America's working families, putting the American people before politics and thinking of the next generation, not the next election.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2010-11-10-column10_ST2_N.htm

[DragonStryk72]

who are justifiably angered by the continued high unemployment rate. While Democrats are also disappointed at the rate of job growth

Look, you see here? These two sentences right here, that's why they lost. Instead of copping to a bad plan, or strategic error, they are trying to spin a huge win that never happened. Rather than sack up and learn something, already we see the evidence that they just can't understand why they lost.


President Obama and this Congress were job creators from Day One, saving the country from the worst economic catastrophe since the Great Depression.

This is just grade A bullshit here. We're still in it, so how did "save the country"? We're still in peril, and actually, there's still no compelling evidence that the government interference actually helped the economy. It would be different had they let the banks, or the big 3 try to correct themselves on their own, and only stepped in as a last resort, but that didn't happen here.


Accomplishments

Democrats passed Wall Street reform to ensure that never again will the recklessness of some on Wall Street cause joblessness on Main Street.

Wait, so somehow, our horribly indebted government, with a 14 trillion dollar deficit, managed to somehow guarantee that companies can no longer make bad business decisions that effect their employees? I wanna hear that one.


Our small business bill is now extending credit to small business owners so they can grow and hire.

Um, okay, so now the government is a banker in and of itself? And it's only working with small businesses? Is this part of their commitment to paying down the deficit?


And we are committed to strengthening America's manufacturers — helping them with our "Make It in America" strategy, so our workers can make it in America.

Make it in America strategy? Couldn't we have accomplished that by just paying down the debt, and thus freeing up the excess tax everyone's paying for? Or better yet, reform the tax system so we stop punishing businesses for hiring on workers (payroll taxes are bullshit)?


We made the largest investment in student aid in our nation's history, reducing the cost of loans to families and reducing the deficit.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, Charlie?!!!! You spent more money and reduced the deficit at the same time? How?! And where the hell was this on the campaign trail?! Fucking christ, this is bullshit. If they had the numbers to back up that crap, you know damn well that they'd have been touting it to the walls to get votes, so clearly, this is just pure bullshit.


We achieved more progress over the last four years for our veterans and military families than any time since the passage of the original GI Bill in 1944.

Progress at what?! I'm a vet, and my benefits haven't changed for crap. Are they referring to the crap-ass GI Bill they threw on the military that none of them want?


And we did all of this while restoring fiscal discipline to the Congress by making the pay-as-you-go rules the law of the land.

What fiscal discipline?! You just stated you increased spending in small business entitlements, veteran's benefits, education, industry, the economy, and let's not forget the two bailouts, and the Obamacare. Where did you get the fucking money to "pay-as-you" went?


We are proud to have passed historic health insurance reform that includes a Patient's Bill of Rights to lower health costs and improve quality.

See above... I need some excedrin


Republican ideas welcome

:lol: anyhow:


Democrats will continue to put forward innovative ideas, engage in entrepreneurial thinking and work to create the jobs for middle class prosperity. Republicans and Democrats must work together, with President Obama, to prepare for our nation for the 21st century while creating clean energy and infrastructure jobs. As we go forward, we welcome Republican ideas about job creation.

Yeah, that was tried, and the republicans whose ideas were so "welcome" were not only ignored, but treated as though they had said nothing at all. Oh yeah, great way to start that relationship.

[red states rule]

Yea, keep Pelosi front and center. She still does not get it and the best thing that can happen for 2012 is to see Pelosi and Obama standing side by side




Nancy Pelosi is having a party to celebrate the accomplishments of the Democrat-controlled Congress. Although this invitation sounds like a parody from The Onion or the start of a Leno joke, it’s actually true. The Drudge Report obtained a copy of the invitation, which reads:

Nancy Pelosi Speaker of the United States House of Representatives requests the pleasure of your company at a reception honoring the Accomplishments of the 111th Congress on Wednesday, the tenth day of November, two thousand ten at three thirty in the afternoon Cannon Caucus Room 345 Cannon House Office Building

The dethroned Speaker of the House, whose liberal agenda led her party straight into the defeat, is seemingly still in denial.

“One week after the American people rejected Washington Democrats’ job-killing agenda, celebrating their ‘achievements,’ is so out of touch, it defies description,” responded a top GOP aide.

“Pelosi’s party sounds more like a celebratory Irish wake,” said Doug Heye, spokesman for the Republican National Committee (RNC).


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