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Little-Acorn
11-01-2010, 12:57 PM
President Obama said recently that, if the Republicans are voted into majorities in the House and possibly the Senate on Tuesday, they would need to "work with" him, presumably compromising some of their plans and accommodating the desires and agenda of the Democrats.

Republican leaders such as John Boehner have been cool to the idea, stating frankly that they were uninterested in compromising with the liberal extremists presently in Congress or the White House, or any that may still remain after Tuesday's voting.

Good. It's about time Republicans noticed what everyone else has been jamming down their throats for that last few decades.

So, after years of "We won, get over it" and midnight legislative sessions where Republicans were not permitted to offer any amendments to Obamacare or Bailouts or any of the rest of the socialistic agenda of the Leftists....

...and session after session where every Republican amendment or bill to straighten out Social Security or massive deficit spending or etc. was voted out by Democrats, rejected, let die in committee.... and then followed by shouts of "Republicans have no ideas, no suggestions, no plans, THEY are the party of 'NO'............"

...and back in previous Congress after Congress where Republicans, even in the majority, tried to work out compromises with Democrats, noteably in the 1995 budget battle, where the sides started some 300 million apart. After three weeks of negotiating, they found that Republicans had moved about $150M toward the Democrat position, but Democrats had move $13M **AWAY** from the Republican position... whereupon the Democrats shut down the government and blamed Republicans for being unwilling to come to terms.

Now, after all that, when the American people finally have a chance to express their opinion of all this in a national election, and the Democrat party is about to get the biggest ass-whoopin they have ever deserved......

.....now Democrats do a 180 and bleat, "Gee, I think it would really be better if the parties worked together, don't you?"

The arrogance, doublethink, and audacity of such a request would be breathtaking if we weren't already so used to this tired two-facedness from people of this ilk.

So I will simply reply:

Democrats, I'm sorry. But Republicans now find themselves caught between a rock and a hard place, as it were. (Though it's a good kind of "hard" after Tuesday.)

You see, Republicans remember sharply (I hope!) what happened over the last ten years or so. Liberals within their own ranks (McCain, Specter, Bush, Graham and others) encouraged such compromise, and enough went along that Republicans started acting, frankly, like Democrats. Spending went through the roof, and several new entitlements were passed and signed. Programs ranging from expanding Welfare and Unemployment, to providing amnesty to illegal aliens, were explored and even brought to the floor for votes.

And what happened? Huge groundswells of the American people - of ALL parties - rose to protest the Republican majorities. And at every election, the Republicans found their majorities growing slimmer. Until finally in 2006, the American people kicked them out of their majorities entirely and turned control of Congress, and later the Presidency, over to the extremists of the Democrat party, after promises by Obama and the others that they would change Washington, become fiscally responsible, etc. Of course, we know what they did with those promises later.

The point is, the American people have told us (and you) in no uncertain terms, that they don't want the extreme-left agenda you have been pushing for the last several decades. Only various Presidents masquerading as conservatives, House leaders such as Pelosi promising "no more deficit spending" and the like, have gotten you into office. And when the Americans have found out the truth about what you were going to impose on them, their reactions have been even clearer to you (See 1994 and Nov. 2010) as they have been to us.

Now, you say you want to "work with" Republicans, and that Republicans should accommodate your plans? It's an interesting concept, but I'm afraid we need to look at the history of such "accommodation" before taking you at your word.

Republicans have tried to "work with" you and your party for decades. Offering suggestions, concessions, starting points to work toward the middle of, etc. etc. And the result has been uniform and consistent: A constant push into more and more leftist and outright socialistic policies, coupled with nothing but scorn, derision, lies, and insults from those same Democrats.

The "compromise" has been entirely one way: Republicans have become more liberal, but I'd be grateful if you would point out even once instance where Democrats have become more conservative in their agenda, legislation, etc.

If Republicans haven't learned by now, the results of trying to compromise, work with, accommodate etc. with the Democrats, they never will, and do not deserve to exist as a political party... because they do not know how to represent what their constituents want. Voters have shown Republicans time and again - as they have shown Democrats in 1994 and now in 2010 - what they think of the liberalism they keep seeing from both parties.

With the constant, and ever stronger rejection of Democrat-style liberalism by the American people; and with the memories of the inevitable result of any attempt to compromise with the Democrats... the Republicans are now faced with only one possible response, when asked to compromise yet again. They now know, as you should know, whether the American people want the inevitable result - what has resulted from every "compromise" in the past.

Then answer is, and must be, No.

NO.

Not no way, not no how.

Forget it.

Ain't gonna happen.

The Democrat party is a stain on the body politic, unwanted by the American people - a distaste that become stronger every time the people find out the reality of what the Democrats intend to impose on them.

Democrats have left the Republicans with only one possible response to their pleas for compromise, accommodation, and the "cooperation" which they have found through bitter experience, time and again, goes one way only. It is what the Repubicans do not want, and the American people themselves do not want, and to which the people have vividly demonstrated their opposition, every time the results of such "compromise" are revealed.

Cooperating with such people as you have shown yourselves to be for decade after decade, would be to repudiate the reasons the American people are now voting for Republicans and rejecting the Democrats in a reversal not seen in most people's living memory. Compromise, and the rampant liberalism which Democrats have re-introduced with every masquerade of "compromise", would let down the American people and violate the reasons they are voting for Republicans and conservatives now. It would confirm that they voted for the wrong people... as they now know they did in Nov. 2006 and 2008.

America is not rejecting Democrats on Tuesday for the sake of getting more extreme liberalism. They have finally realized that today's Democrats are capable of nothing else, and will lie, cheat, smear, dodge, and divert to gain power and impose it. And the people are even willing to take a chance on the Republicans again, though they are rejecting a number of Republicans (Castle, Murkowski, Crist, Specter, etc.) who had "cooperated" with those Democrats in the past, and putting in fresh, genuinely conservative blood where they can.

NO.

America is sending two messages this Tuesday:

1.) We don't want the Democrats' extreme liberalism, and are voting it out.

2.) We don't want the Republicans who have compromised with them and supported that liberalism in the past, and we are voting THEM out too.

The American people's message is coming through loud and clear to Republicans - at least I hope it is. And so Republicans can have only one possible response to Democrats pleas for "compromise":

NO.

NO COMPROMISE WITH DEMOCRATS.

NEVER AGAIN.

fj1200
11-01-2010, 01:07 PM
Well said, bipartisanship is bad.

Little-Acorn
11-01-2010, 01:14 PM
Well said, bipartisanship is bad.

Bipartisanship is not bad.

But bipartisanship with today's Democrats is impossible.

That's the point of the OP. Republicans would be silly... if not treasonous... to fall for that ploy again.

KarlMarx
11-01-2010, 05:12 PM
DROP DEAD YOU COMMUNIST BASTARDS

What you are about to experience is the result of your own hand

The only thing we regret is that we could not do it sooner.

I cannot wait to vote every one of you scum sucking pigs out of office

red states rule
11-01-2010, 05:23 PM
Damn, you know the Dems are going to get slaughtered when a liberal admits the truth on MSNBC!!

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Noir
11-01-2010, 06:36 PM
DROP DEAD YOU COMMUNIST BASTARDS

What you are about to experience is the result of your own hand

The only thing we regret is that we could not do it sooner.

I cannot wait to vote every one of you scum sucking pigs out of office

I know this is off topic but it's not really enough to warrant it's own thread, given your obvious hatred of communism and socialism, why is your username KarlMarx?

BoogyMan
11-01-2010, 08:03 PM
The idiot in the video doesn't get it. It isn't that we were no ready for the trash they forced on us, it is that we didn't want the trash at all and they forced it on us anyway. It was so onerous that they had to arm twist their own caucus to get it done and it is costing them dearly.


Damn, you know the Dems are going to get slaughtered when a liberal admits the truth on MSNBC!!

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fj1200
11-01-2010, 08:42 PM
Bipartisanship is not bad.

But bipartisanship with today's Democrats is impossible.

That's the point of the OP. Republicans would be silly... if not treasonous... to fall for that ploy again.

Bipartisanship for the sake of bipartisanship is bad. I hope they learned from the government shutdown in the 90s with Clinton and don't get played like that again.

Mr. P
11-01-2010, 09:24 PM
I see a very real possibility of a viable 3rd party emerging in the next two yrs. Who I donno but the time is right.

Little-Acorn
11-01-2010, 11:55 PM
I see a very real possibility of a viable 3rd party emerging in the next two yrs. Who I donno but the time is right.

Could happen with a conservative party emerging, if establishment RINOS put up a lot of resistance to new conservatives and/or start turning liberal again after gaining congressional majorities.

But right now, I think it's more likely that a third party would be a liberal party that splits off the current liberal-vs.-extreme-left-socialist faction of the Democrat party.

Depends a LOT on what happens between now and 2012.

But I hope DEARLY that the Republicans get together AND resist the temptation to go along to get along with Democrats.

No Compromising with Democrats.

Never again.

SassyLady
11-02-2010, 02:12 AM
On April 15, 2009, people starting telling Washington we were not happy with the deficit, the bailouts, healthcare .... and instead of listening to us, they called us Astroturf and ridiculed us ... and told us they knew what was best for us.

We said we did not want to further the nanny state and they shoved it down our throats anyway. So, now, we are shoving back.

I feel like a sleeping giant has been awakened.

Kathianne
11-02-2010, 04:23 AM
I see a very real possibility of a viable 3rd party emerging in the next two yrs. Who I donno but the time is right.

I saw Sarah Palin is still trying to co-op the tea parties. I agree that the movement will spawn a 3rd party, if those elected fail to do what the people intended them to do. We should know in 6-9 months.

KarlMarx
11-02-2010, 07:00 AM
I know this is off topic but it's not really enough to warrant it's own thread, given your obvious hatred of communism and socialism, why is your username KarlMarx?

I dunno, because Groucho was already taken? :)

sybarite
11-02-2010, 09:10 AM
Obama said the Republicans will "have" to work with him? Arrogant to the end. I think he had better get used to the idea of having to work with the Republicans.

Abbey Marie
11-02-2010, 09:15 AM
I see a very real possibility of a viable 3rd party emerging in the next two yrs. Who I donno but the time is right.

I agree.

fj1200
11-02-2010, 12:11 PM
I see a very real possibility of a viable 3rd party emerging in the next two yrs. Who I donno but the time is right.

A 3rd party? I highly disagree. Or a 3rd party candidate? Plausible and hopefully not anywhere near the right as that would be disastrous.

Jeff
11-02-2010, 12:41 PM
Personally I think if the Republicans start working with Obama as he has demanded a third party is without a doubt the next step

The people are sick and tired of Obama's way

On the other hand if neither side( you know Obama wont compromise) will work together then nothing gets done either

Might be time to vote for the Pot smokers from Cali or the Hippies from Alaska :laugh2:

I am making a joke of a very real problem, I don't see this country going on the right track until Obama is just a bad memory , and that is 2 years away

God Bless us

Little-Acorn
11-02-2010, 12:42 PM
Usually, compromise is an integral part of politics, and can even lead to good results sometimes.

But "compromise" is when one side yields a little bit to the other, while the other side yields a little bit to them.

But every attempt by Republicans to compromise with Democrats, has resulted in Republicans doing all the yielding, and Democrats doing none. Despite pleas, entreaties, descriptions of how good the results of real compromise will be, etc. etc.

It has become starkly clear over the last few decades, that any attempt at "compromise" results simply in more extreme-liberal policies being put in place. Not because of what Republicans wanted, but because of what Democrats insisted on.

Sorry, there can be no compromise with Democrats... because the Democrats keep making compromise impossible.

We have learned through bitter experience, that if Republicans even try to compromise, the result is exactly what the people are voting against: Expanding, rampant liberal extremism, and nothing else.

Don't compromise with Democrats.

Never again.

Pagan
11-02-2010, 02:52 PM
On April 15, 2009, people starting telling Washington we were not happy with the deficit, the bailouts, healthcare .... and instead of listening to us, they called us Astroturf and ridiculed us ... and told us they knew what was best for us.

We said we did not want to further the nanny state and they shoved it down our throats anyway. So, now, we are shoving back.

I feel like a sleeping giant has been awakened.

I LOVE this photo, it says it all

http://pix.rejecttheherd.net/d/8495-1/ass.jpg

Mr. P
11-02-2010, 03:12 PM
I LOVE this photo, it says it all

http://pix.rejecttheherd.net/d/8495-1/ass.jpg

PERFECT!!!!! :clap::clap::clap:

namvet
11-02-2010, 05:11 PM
that goes double for us

http://oi56.tinypic.com/339jehy.jpg

red states rule
11-02-2010, 05:15 PM
I agree.

This is nothing new for the left

Under Bill Clinton, it was the Republicans would have to learn to work with the President

Then under Pres Bush, it the President who had to work with the Dem Congress

You see the pattern?

Republicans have to be the ones who work with Dems.

Translation: Sit down, shut up, speak when spoken to, and give the Dems what they want

Noir
11-02-2010, 05:15 PM
that goes double for us

http://oi56.tinypic.com/339jehy.jpg

Ah, Epic Beard Man, he's always about somewhere.

red states rule
11-02-2010, 05:22 PM
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/GM101102CLR-Liberals20101102081200.jpg

KarlMarx
11-02-2010, 06:44 PM
I think that the Republicans should work with the Democrats. Here are my ideas for what the Democrats in Congress can do to work with the Republicans....

1. During committee meetings, the Democrats can all make coffee runs, pick up the dry cleaning of their Republican colleagues, as well as take out..... and leave the legislating the will of the People to those who actually intend to honor their campaign promises.

2. The Democrats said that they were going to clean up Washington when they got there, and we ought to let them. They can go out to the parking lot and pick up the cigarette butts, wash the windows on the Capital Building, empty out the trash, and, oh by the way, make sure that the toilets in Mens' and Ladies' rooms are kept shiny and nice smelling.

3. They can learn to act like the Republicans in the present session of Congress and learn how to sit in the back of the room, not be involved in any legislation of any importance and basically be non-entities.

4. They may also learn how to graciously accept impeachment for High Crimes and Misdemeanors against the American People... especially if by some miracle Barney Frank manages to return to Washington.


Oh, and one other thing.... they can learn to stop being obstructionist and be part of helping to change the Federal Government for the better... they can become part of the solution and quit being the problem.....

they also should go back to the drawing board and throw away the class warfare rhetoric, the Marxist lingo, and ideas of expanding government that they've been peddling for the past 3 generations... and instead they should work really hard to come up with good ideas of real value to the American people

red states rule
11-02-2010, 06:49 PM
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/GM100922CLR-ObamaVsB20100922095638.jpg

SpidermanTUba
11-04-2010, 11:16 AM
NO.

NO COMPROMISE WITH DEMOCRATS.

NEVER AGAIN.

What do you mean "NEVER AGAIN" ? The Republicans haven't compromised with the Democrats for at least 20 years. When they had both houses and the white house they ran Congress as their own fiefdom, and they have met all attempts at bipartisanship in the past two years with partisan attacks.

Little-Acorn
11-04-2010, 12:17 PM
What do you mean "NEVER AGAIN" ? The Republicans haven't compromised with the Democrats for at least 20 years. When they had both houses and the white house they ran Congress as their own fiefdom, and they have met all attempts at bipartisanship in the past two years with partisan attacks.

You know, you should really read the OP before starting your usual rants. You'll save yourself a lot of embarrassment.

red states rule
11-04-2010, 05:58 PM
As usual, liberals think they can regain their politial power by insulting the voters

I will never understand that campaign strategy





Bill Press says what most liberals in the media will only shroud in cryptic code: the voters who swept Democrats out of power in the House are stupid.

During the first hour of his eponymous radio program today, Press wished more liberal politicians would just say what they really think about the constituents they ostensibly serve: "Just once – probably never get reelected if you ever said it – I would like to hear somebody say, 'The voters have spoken, the bastards.'"

The left-wing talk show host suggested a few variations of the insult:

"Or, 'The voters have spoken. What a bunch of idiots.'"

"The voters have spoken. God, they're dumb. Dumb as hell."

Liberals in the media have repeatedly made the case that the Democrats's dismal approving ratings can be attributed to poor messaging, not that the voters get the message loud and clear but reject the liberal agenda behind it.

Some have taken this argument a step further, arguing that congressional Democrats have languished because their agenda hasn't been liberal enough. But Press is one of those special liberals in the media who cuts through this circuitous argument and tells it like it is: the voters reject liberalism simply because they are knuckle-dragging Neanderthals



Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/alex-fitzsimmons/2010/11/04/bill-press-midterms-voters-have-spoken-what-bunch-idiots#ixzz14MDKmTBY

Little-Acorn
07-29-2011, 11:44 AM
The OP of this thread is more timely than ever.

fj1200
07-29-2011, 12:37 PM
I miss STuba.

Little-Acorn
07-29-2011, 01:07 PM
I miss STuba.

Yep.

Let me guess: "....but my aim is improving." :laugh:

He was often wrong, but never uncertain.

Back to the subject:
Democrats are nothing if not consistent. As the OP pointed out, compromise with them was impossible because they made it impossible, never yielding an inch, but only waiting (often successfully) for Republicans to cave.

Today we see them doing the same thing. Republicans have abandoned any plan for starting to pay off the national Debt, but Democrats keep rejecting and threatening vetos over every pla they put forward, often without even reading the plan.

Republicans then passed a plan ("Cut Cap and Balance") that raised the Debt ceiling, contingent on Congress proposing a Balanced Budget Amentment to the Constitution, but without any requirement that it be ratified by the states.

The Democrats rejected it without even trying to debate any part of it.

Now Republican leaders have put together a plan that gives up passage of the BBA, reducing their spending cuts even more, and even accepting some tax increases ("Boehner plan").

Democrat leaders have announced that their majority in the Senate would defeat it, and Obama has said he would veto it if it got to his desk.

And between all these proclamations, rejections, and threats, Democrats are complaining that it's REPUBLICANS who are refusing to compromise.

They have their playbook down pat, and are running through it, as glibly and predictably as possible.

The only thorn in anyone's side, is those newer Republicans in the House, who promised their constituents during their campaigns that they would straighten out the financial mess, end the wild spending, and bring fiscal sanity back to Washington. They were elected on that basis, and now those crazy upstarts are acting like they are supposed to help straighten out the financial mess, end the wild spending, and bring fiscal sanity back to Washington... have you ever seen anything so baffling and strange?

These new Republicans know what everybody else (especially the rest of the Republicans) seem to have forgotten: You cannot compromise with Democrats, no matter how hard you try. Because they simply will not compromise, despite their constant demands that you do so.

Stick to your guns, anti-tax-raising Republicans. It's either that, or let the long train of liberal encroachment roll merrily along unimpeded. And we could have elected anybody if we'd wanted that.

But we elected YOU.

No compromise with Democrats.

Not ever.

Not just because it's a bad idea, but because it's impossible. Whether you like it that way or not.

fj1200
07-29-2011, 01:28 PM
Yep.

Let me guess: "....but my aim is improving." :laugh:

He was often wrong, but never uncertain.

:laugh: No, he was an unrepentant liberal who was good for some debate... when he wasn't calling names or swearing at everyone. :eek: