Courtesy of the CAGW

[hjmick]

Perhaps one of the most affective and gut wrenching ads I've seen in a long, long time:


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[SassyLady]

I don't think it will take until 2030 for this to happen at the rate we are going.

[bullypulpit]

CAGW, of course, conveniently left out the fact that the majority of the deficit was run up by Dubbyuh as he and his GOP handlers funded not one, but two wars off budget. And how did they pay for these wars...? By BORROWING the money from OVERSEAS. God forbid they should have raised taxes to pay for them...especially in the case of Iraq which was a war of choice, not necessity. Never before in American history was the money to fund a war borrowed from foreign interests...particularly those, like China who might not have America's best interests at heart. So, let's all thank President Bush, and the rest of his unlamented administration for creating an insidious threat to our national security.

[SassyLady]

CAGW, of course, conveniently left out the fact that the majority of the deficit was run up by Dubbyuh as he and his GOP handlers funded not one, but two wars off budget. And how did they pay for these wars...? By BORROWING the money from OVERSEAS. God forbid they should have raised taxes to pay for them...especially in the case of Iraq which was a war of choice, not necessity. Never before in American history was the money to fund a war borrowed from foreign interests...particularly those, like China who might not have America's best interests at heart. So, let's all thank President Bush, and the rest of his unlamented administration for creating an insidious threat to our national security.

Sigh.....I've never seen anyone have a hard on for so long for someone like you have for Bush. Get over it already.

The point now is "what will this Administration do about it?" Can you answer that one BP....I mean, look forward for once and tell us what you think Obama will do to get us free of China?

[hjmick]

CAGW, of course, conveniently left out the fact that the majority of the deficit was run up by Dubbyuh as he and his GOP handlers funded not one, but two wars off budget. And how did they pay for these wars...? By BORROWING the money from OVERSEAS. God forbid they should have raised taxes to pay for them...especially in the case of Iraq which was a war of choice, not necessity. Never before in American history was the money to fund a war borrowed from foreign interests...particularly those, like China who might not have America's best interests at heart. So, let's all thank President Bush, and the rest of his unlamented administration for creating an insidious threat to our national security.

For crying out loud, Bully, put away your partisan erection for just five fucking minutes. There is blame enough for the peoples of both parties when it comes to the deficit and to whom this country owes money.

[bullypulpit]

If y'all would stop conveniently forgetting the facts and show some measure of intellectual honesty and a willingness to hold the late, unlamented Bush administration responsible for its actions, I WOULD tone down the rhetoric. But the facts stand on their own...The Bush administration cratered the US economy.

http://www.cbpp.org/images/cms/10-22-10bud-bythenumbers.jpg

[darin]

Dude? The SPENDING is the problem, not Bush Stopping Clinton's tax hikes.

(sigh).

[BoogyMan]

CAGW, of course, conveniently left out the fact that the majority of the deficit was run up by Dubbyuh as he and his GOP handlers funded not one, but two wars off budget. And how did they pay for these wars...? By BORROWING the money from OVERSEAS. God forbid they should have raised taxes to pay for them...especially in the case of Iraq which was a war of choice, not necessity. Never before in American history was the money to fund a war borrowed from foreign interests...particularly those, like China who might not have America's best interests at heart. So, let's all thank President Bush, and the rest of his unlamented administration for creating an insidious threat to our national security.

That started with Mr. Bush? Mr. Obama has discontinued the practice? Wow, open your eyes BP.

[bullypulpit]

Dude? The SPENDING is the problem, not Bush Stopping Clinton's tax hikes.

(sigh).

Dude! Read the fuckin' report!

<center><a href=http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3036>Critics Still Wrong on What’s Driving Deficits in Coming Years
Economic Downturn, Financial Rescues, and Bush-Era Policies Drive the Numbers</a></center>

But hell, don't let facts stand in the way of your fantasy...As if you and your fellow travelers ever do.

[SassyLady]

Dude! Read the fuckin' report!


<CENTER>Critics Still Wrong on What’s Driving Deficits in Coming Years
Economic Downturn, Financial Rescues, and Bush-Era Policies Drive the Numbers (http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3036)</CENTER>

But hell, don't let facts stand in the way of your fantasy...As if you and your fellow travelers ever do.

News headline in 2013:


Critics Still Wrong on What's Driving Deficits
Economic Disaster, Stimulus, and Obama-Era Policies and Out of Control Spending Drive the Numbers



Personally, I predict the headlines to be even worse than they are today because of what Obama has done in the last two years, regardless of what he does in the next two.

[Libertarian94]

CAGW, of course, conveniently left out the fact that the majority of the deficit was run up by Dubbyuh as he and his GOP handlers funded not one, but two wars off budget. And how did they pay for these wars...? By BORROWING the money from OVERSEAS. God forbid they should have raised taxes to pay for them...especially in the case of Iraq which was a war of choice, not necessity. Never before in American history was the money to fund a war borrowed from foreign interests...particularly those, like China who might not have America's best interests at heart. So, let's all thank President Bush, and the rest of his unlamented administration for creating an insidious threat to our national security.

Must you really? Its silly I think we are all on the same page in saying debt is a bad thing. What we disagree on is what to do about it. But pointing your finger the other way and saying "your guy did it to" helps absolutely no one. So quit bitching about who's fault it is and come up with a solution, lord knows we need one.

[fj1200]

Dude! Read the fuckin' report!

<center><a href=http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3036>Critics Still Wrong on What’s Driving Deficits in Coming Years
Economic Downturn, Financial Rescues, and Bush-Era Policies Drive the Numbers</a></center>

But hell, don't let facts stand in the way of your fantasy...As if you and your fellow travelers ever do.

Facts huh?

Your "facts" start with a faulty premise and run from there.

Top 10 Myths About the Bush Tax Cuts
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Commentary/2007/02/Top-10-Myths-About-the-Bush-Tax-Cuts

[bullypulpit]

Facts huh?

Your "facts" start with a faulty premise and run from there.

Top 10 Myths About the Bush Tax Cuts
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Commentary/2007/02/Top-10-Myths-About-the-Bush-Tax-Cuts

Indeed...the 'facts" presented by the right, and yes, the Heritage Foundation is rignt-wing, are rooted in a fundamentally and fatally flawed premise, also know as the "Laffer Curve".

[bullypulpit]

Must you really? Its silly I think we are all on the same page in saying debt is a bad thing. What we disagree on is what to do about it. But pointing your finger the other way and saying "your guy did it to" helps absolutely no one. So quit bitching about who's fault it is and come up with a solution, lord knows we need one.

Sorry, but the numbers speak for themselves...

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/numbers/Content/GIF/T07-0213.gif

Source: <a href=http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/numbers/displayatab.cfm?DocID=1651&topic2ID=40&topic3ID=57&DocTypeID=5>Tax Policy Center</a>

The three tax cuts put in place by the Bush administration dropped government receipts by $1.7 TRILLION. between 2001 and 2010. Gosh, that's more than the budget deficit. Which reminds me, where were all the GOP fiscal conservatives when the Bush administration was running up these deficits? They were ALL silent when the GOP had control of Congress and the White House. Please don't be so disingenuous as to try and revise history like the rest of the Bush apologists.

[fj1200]

Indeed...the 'facts" presented by the right, and yes, the Heritage Foundation is rignt-wing, are rooted in a fundamentally and fatally flawed premise, also know as the "Laffer Curve".

That didn't even address my admittedly weak response. You can do better can't you?

[fj1200]

Sorry, but the numbers speak for themselves...

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/numbers/Content/GIF/T07-0213.gif

Source: <a href=http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/numbers/displayatab.cfm?DocID=1651&topic2ID=40&topic3ID=57&DocTypeID=5>Tax Policy Center</a>

The three tax cuts put in place by the Bush administration dropped government receipts by $1.7 TRILLION. between 2001 and 2010. Gosh, that's more than the budget deficit. Which reminds me, where were all the GOP fiscal conservatives when the Bush administration was running up these deficits? They were ALL silent when the GOP had control of Congress and the White House. Please don't be so disingenuous as to try and revise history like the rest of the Bush apologists.

Try reading the footnotes first.

(1)... "Estimates are static and do not account for any potential microeconomic behavioral response."
(2)... "The actual effect on receipts could differ."

Tax revenues are a function of GDP and not tax rates.

http://media.hoover.org/images/tax_rates_graph_ranson.jpg?size=large

[bullypulpit]

That didn't even address my admittedly weak response. You can do better can't you?

But it did. The whole premise of "supply side" economics is fundamentally and fatally flawed.

[fj1200]

But it did. The whole premise of "supply side" economics is fundamentally and fatally flawed.

Sorry BP, didn't mean to challenge your talking points with actual analysis.