modern day marriage is a dropping

[actsnoblemartin]

and Here's why

Men Get screwed, with alimony, child support, and loss of his income, house, cars, and kids.

There is no benefit for some female fairy tale munipulation, and I wont be silent about it

A Marriage Strike is now in effect!!

A Marriage Strike has been declared by a majority of men and women in order to stop the destruction of the institution of marriage and the devastation of the family unit.

Men and women, in ever increasing numbers are avoiding marriage. The impediments to a commitment for marriage stem largely from "lifetime alimony." Both sexes are not immune, it affects them equally. On one hand, some are facing financial suicide in the outcome of divorces and want to avoid it while the recipient of alimony fears losing their permanent welfare ticket and avoid marriage since doing so will usually cut off their income.


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[Sweetchuck]

I have absolutely no problem with people living together or getting married later in life, in fact I highly encourage it.

I'll take that a step farther, I don't think people should get married before they turn 30.

I grew up a Catholic and I gotta tell you, what a fucking racket. Went to a Catholic high school and, during my sexual peak when I would fuck anything that made eye contact with me, these nuns are telling me that I'll go to hell if I do so before I got married.

So what's that tell horny kids? Wanna get laid? Get married.

And we wonder why the divorce rate is where it is nowadays. Religious stupidity.

[Trigg]

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And we wonder why the divorce rate is where it is nowadays. Religious stupidity.

The divorce rate is what it is today because people get married with the intention of staying together until the going gets tough instead of until death do us part.

As far as the OP, what states have alimony anymore? Indiana certainly doesn't

[Sweetchuck]

The divorce rate is what it is today because people get married with the intention of staying together until the going gets tough instead of until death do us part.

As far as the OP, what states have alimony anymore? Indiana certainly doesn't

You're on the right track I think. Kids who get married in their late teens/early 20's generally aren't mature enough to understand the commitment required for a life-long marriage. Girls just want a wedding and dudes just want laid.

[DragonStryk72]

Well, actually, the stats on marriage are actually misleading. The supposed 40% of marriages ending is actually not that high, really. Once you discount all the bullshit weddings in Vegas, the citizenship marriages, and other various sham marriages, we have to take a look at people who have no business getting married in the first place doing so multiple times. Those who fail to learn from their past are doomed to repeat it.

The larger problem is simply unrealistic expectations of what marriage actually entails. This is not because of child support, alimony, and other such things that only occur should the marriage end (also they are starting to allow alimony and child support to the man as well, martin), but the expectations of the couple going into marriage. I'll use two of my married friends as examples of this. First, we have Brian and Anna, who actually married rather young, but both were raised with a solid knowledge of what marriage is about. They do not expect miracles from each other, and both understand fully that there will be fights, even really bad fights at times, and understood this prior to getting married.

Now, we look at Ron and Tabby, two of my other friends. Anyone who looked at them would have told you it was a bad plan, because they wanted wholly different things, but they got married because Tabby had gotten pregnant. That is not insurmountable, but it requires give from both parties, a give that neither one was selfless enough to make. This led to increasing fights and battles that eventually ripped the marriage apart, all because they had each walked into it with no understanding of what it means to be married.

My parents divorced when I was 18, and their 20 year long marriage was a constant battle, again, because of unrealistic expectations. Marriage is not a fix to a broken relationship, but I did learn what not to do, and what a bad marriage looks like.

All in all, marriage is just fine, and age has nothing to do with the maturity of the adults involved. Some are simply naturally aspected for it, others observe and learn. No amount of age or experience is really a determinate of whether you are ready for marriage.

Marriage is not, and never has been, about sex. Any attempt to put such forth is to completely miss the point. I know married couples who have next to no sex, and both are fine with it, just the way they are, just as I know married couples who are like rabbits on cialis. Each happy married couple is different, just the way it is. The speaker in the second video impugned himself in the first few minutes of his rant, right when he put forth that because he doesn't have the maturity, responsibility, or commitment for owning anything more evolved than a puppy, this proves that men aren't supposed to form long term commitments.

You love your family, most usually, for your whole life, right? It's not necessarily always at the forefront of your mind, but it's there. It's isn't simply a "bio-chemical reaction" (By the way, every single thing your body does is a bio-chemical reaction, so #2 is also saying NSA relationships, and even wanking off are useless, really, and should be abandoned. Oh yeah, hope you don't care about any of your friends either, because those're bio-chemical reactions, too), really love is something else, and I stand by Jim's sig line from Good Will Hunting:


Wonderful stuff, you know, little things like that. Ah, but, those are the things I miss the most. The little idiosyncrasies that only I knew about. That's what made her my wife. Oh and she had the goods on me, too, she knew all my little peccadillos. People call these things imperfections, but they're not, aw that's the good stuff. And then we get to choose who we let into our weird little worlds. You're not perfect, sport. And let me save you the suspense. This girl you met, she isn't perfect either. But the question is: whether or not you're perfect for each other. That's the whole deal. That's what intimacy is all about. Now you can know everything in the world, sport, but the only way you're findin' out that one is by givin' it a shot. You certainly won't learn from an old fucker like me. Even if I did know, I wouldn't tell a pissant like you.

[DragonStryk72]

while I was moving into my new place, martin, a thought occurred to me that I feel I should share with you now. I do not believe that you have any real idea what marriage is really about. I'm not insulting you, let me be clear, I'm just making the observation that you lack the knowledge.

So I have a question that I hope you will answer for me: What is it that you believe marriage is about? I think if we start there we might have a solid dialogue on the subject.

[Trigg]

You're on the right track I think. Kids who get married in their late teens/early 20's generally aren't mature enough to understand the commitment required for a life-long marriage. Girls just want a wedding and dudes just want laid.

Well since I got married at 19 I'm going to have to disagree with you on that.

The problem isn't maturity, it's that people today don't get married for the long haul. Marriage can be tough, and to many get married with the idea of staying together only during the good times and don't give a thought to the hard ones.

I would also tend to disagree with you on living together. It's easy to throw up your hands and leave a relationship if you're just living together and I would think that would set a pattern. Things get rough, pack your stuff and leave. However, if you're married that's harder to do.

I will encourage my children NOT to shack up before marriage. Will they listen to me, I don't know.

[Sweetchuck]

Well since I got married at 19 I'm going to have to disagree with you on that.

The problem isn't maturity, it's that people today don't get married for the long haul. Marriage can be tough, and to many get married with the idea of staying together only during the good times and don't give a thought to the hard ones.

I would also tend to disagree with you on living together. It's easy to throw up your hands and leave a relationship if you're just living together and I would think that would set a pattern. Things get rough, pack your stuff and leave. However, if you're married that's harder to do.

I will encourage my children NOT to shack up before marriage. Will they listen to me, I don't know.

Certainly we can agree to disagree. I never said you didn't have the right to be wrong.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

But I do have to suggest that you are suffering from cognitive bias when you extrapolate your marriage experience with the norm. Clearly the pattern is that more and more people are getting divorced rather than staying married for the long haul and I can only point to the reasons why they erroneously got married in the first place.

[DragonStryk72]

Certainly we can agree to disagree. I never said you didn't have the right to be wrong.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

But I do have to suggest that you are suffering from cognitive bias when you extrapolate your marriage experience with the norm. Clearly the pattern is that more and more people are getting divorced rather than staying married for the long haul and I can only point to the reasons why they erroneously got married in the first place.

ah, but your conjecture is also biased, Chuck. Brian and Anna, my friends, got married in their mid-twenties. In general, I say it goes back to an incorrect assumptions about what marriage will be like. People have gotten to the point of expectations that are just unrealistic in the extreme. It's like everyone has this epic narrative of their life in their head, and if person A doesn't fit that narrative, then they're gone.

A lot of it has to do with the lack of responsibility, I believe, of teens these days, and it isn't their fault. Parents are putting off teaching responsibility repeatedly, until at 18, they seem to believe that responsibility has somehow formed into their child through some form of osmosis.

[Sweetchuck]

ah, but your conjecture is also biased, Chuck. Brian and Anna, my friends, got married in their mid-twenties. In general, I say it goes back to an incorrect assumptions about what marriage will be like. People have gotten to the point of expectations that are just unrealistic in the extreme. It's like everyone has this epic narrative of their life in their head, and if person A doesn't fit that narrative, then they're gone.

A lot of it has to do with the lack of responsibility, I believe, of teens these days, and it isn't their fault. Parents are putting off teaching responsibility repeatedly, until at 18, they seem to believe that responsibility has somehow formed into their child through some form of osmosis.

Oh, why didn't you say so in the first place? Clearly your experience coupled with your friends experience is representative of the entire population.

... clearly.

:rolleyes:

As for the rest of your commentary, if you keep it up you're going to wind up basically stating what I've stated.

[chloe]

:clap:
and Here's why

Men Get screwed, with alimony, child support, and loss of his income, house, cars, and kids.

There is no benefit for some female fairy tale munipulation, and I wont be silent about it

A Marriage Strike is now in effect!!

A Marriage Strike has been declared by a majority of men and women in order to stop the destruction of the institution of marriage and the devastation of the family unit.

Men and women, in ever increasing numbers are avoiding marriage. The impediments to a commitment for marriage stem largely from "lifetime alimony." Both sexes are not immune, it affects them equally. On one hand, some are facing financial suicide in the outcome of divorces and want to avoid it while the recipient of alimony fears losing their permanent welfare ticket and avoid marriage since doing so will usually cut off their income.


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Martin both genders get screwed LOL. My ex husband is a Divorce Attorney, I don't get child support he hasn't paid for a over a year now and I didn't ask for alimoney but I got the kids and that was worth more then money. I don't think a piece of paper can tell about love commitment anyway, it might protect the couple in legal things in case one of them passes away but you can set those things up without a marriage contract if you want to. My ex husband fell into bad financial times and I let him move into my house and live there rent free for a year, because he's the father of our children and his emotional state was not good. Caring about someone's wellbeing and showing that kind of care in good or bad times is what it should be about in my opinion. Today people seem more concerned with there own self-interests. I don't see any reason for marriage but I do see value in giving respect to whomever you made children with regardless of how things evolved or ended. Since you don't want kids then that won't be any part of your equation. What is it you want in your long term relationship? Do you even want a long term relationship?

[DragonStryk72]

And the host is wrong about guys getting nothing out of marriage. There is one thing in marriage that men cannot get outside of marriage: A wife.