Don't pump gas on MAY 15th

[Pale Rider]

Don't pump gas on MAY 15th


NO GAS...On May 15th 2007

Don't pump gas on MAY 15th

In April 1997, there was a "gas out" conducted nationwide in protest of gas
prices. Gasoline prices dropped 30 cents a gallon overnight.

On May 15th 2007, all internet users are to not go to a gas station in protest
of high gas prices. Gas is now over $3.00 a gallon in most places.

There are 73,000,000+ American members currently on the internet network, and
the average car takes about 30 to 50 dollars to fill up.

If all users did not go to the pump on the 15th, it would take
$2,292,000,000.00 (that's almost 3 BILLION) out of the oil companies pockets for
just one day, so please do not go to the gas station on May 15th and lets try to
put a dent in the Middle Eastern oil industry for at least one day.

If you agree (which I cant see why you wouldn't) resend this to all your
contact list. With it saying, ''Don't pump gas on May 15th"

[TheStripey1]

and what, if anything, do you think this will accomplish?

[manu1959]

and what, if anything, do you think this will accomplish?

non-violent protest man.........

[Pale Rider]

and what, if anything, do you think this will accomplish?

Put a little dent in their pocket... :slap:

[shattered]

My guess would be you'll see gas prices shoot up the following week, to make back what they lost on that one day...

[Mr. P]

Ok...If I think about it I'll buy the day before. Here is what they don't tell you...
The profit to the oil companies is a mere .07 per gallon. The rest of the cost per gallon is transportation cost, storage, all the middle men etc...And guess who gets the BIG piece of the pie at point of sale? Did you guess Govmint? You're right.

http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/statistics/gas_taxes_by_state_2002.html

[manu1959]

Ok...If I think about it I'll buy the day before. Here is what they don't tell you...
The profit to the oil companies is a mere .07 per gallon. The rest of the cost per gallon is transportation cost, storage, all the middle men etc...And guess who gets the BIG piece of the pie at point of sale? Did you guess Govmint? You're right.

http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/statistics/gas_taxes_by_state_2002.html

hard to make a profit on the wind and the sun.....

[Mr. P]

hard to make a profit on the wind and the sun.....

Not if you make the equipment to harvest that energy.

[TheStripey1]

non-violent protest man.........

I understand that part, just wondered what if anything he thought it would accomplish... and I DO find it funny that a republican/right winger would suggest demonstrating... why that's almost liberal of PR... has hell frozen over?

[manu1959]

Not if you make the equipment to harvest that energy.

yea like the government would actually build something useful

[TheStripey1]

Put a little dent in their pocket... :slap: so you buy gas on the 14th or the 16th... what's the difference?

Now if you, and everyone else, traded in their gas guzzler for a Prius... that might put a dent in their pocket.

maybe... probably not though, they'd just raise the prices more...

[manu1959]

so you buy gas on the 14th or the 16th... what's the difference?

Now if you, and everyone else, traded in their gas guzzler for a Prius... that might put a dent in their pocket.

maybe... probably not though, they'd just raise the prices more...

blind people hate priusesessss

[Kathianne]

I understand that part, just wondered what if anything he thought it would accomplish... and I DO find it funny that a republican/right winger would suggest demonstrating... why that's almost liberal of PR... has hell frozen over?

I'll agree that GOP tends not so much at 'protesting' in the marching sense, but I'll have you know that I write many of my Congressional reps and many letters to the editors to make my voice heard, (yes, most are published).

[TheStripey1]

hard to make a profit on the wind and the sun.....

They make the profit on the process, the materials and the energy they capture...

[Mr. P]

yea like the government would actually build something useful

:laugh2: I wasn't suggesting 'They' do it. :laugh2:

But I see the point of your post now..:salute:

[TheStripey1]

yea like the government would actually build something useful


not the government, private industry...

[manu1959]

They make the profit on the process, the materials and the energy they capture...

by thye i assuem you mean people that actually do things....not gov't folks that just talk about what could be done....

[TheStripey1]

blind people hate priusesessss

I'm not blind... but I'll bite... tigers do that...

why do blind people hate Priuses?

[TheStripey1]

I'll agree that GOP tends not so much at 'protesting' in the marching sense, but I'll have you know that I write many of my Congressional reps and many letters to the editors to make my voice heard, (yes, most are published).

Good job... but I still find it uhhh, funny that a righty is proposing a protest... or supporting one at any rate...

:dance:

[Kathianne]

Good job... but I still find it uhhh, funny that a righty is proposing a protest... or supporting one at any rate...

:dance:

Sorry, but an 'internet protest', which involves not gassing car on one day, fits the parameters.

[TheStripey1]

by thye i assuem you mean people that actually do things....not gov't folks that just talk about what could be done....

yes, entrepreneurs...

[TheStripey1]

Sorry, but an 'internet protest', which involves not gassing car on one day, fits the parameters.


maybe he will also place a placard in his car window exhorting his fellow northern nevadans (and nevadanettes) to do the same... that would bring it out of the realm of unseen protests...

[Kathianne]

maybe he will also place a placard in his car window exhorting his fellow northern nevadans (and nevadanettes) to do the same... that would bring it out of the realm of unseen protests...

Well personally, I don't think this type of thing will do it, at least not yet. Maybe in a year or two. But the idea is right.

[Mr. P]

maybe he will also place a placard in his car window exhorting his fellow northern nevadans (and nevadanettes) to do the same... that would bring it out of the realm of unseen protests...

Hey! I have one of those on my F250.. It says "FOR SALE"!:laugh2:

[TheStripey1]

Hey! I have one of those on my F250.. It says "FOR SALE"!:laugh2:

Think anyone'll be interested with gas nosing towards $3.50 per gallon? How many miles to the dollar do you get in that beast?

[manu1959]

Think anyone'll be interested with gas nosing towards $3.50 per gallon? How many miles to the dollar do you get in that beast?

i have one of those cars that only takes the preimium stuff ...i wish i was only paying 3.50

[TheStripey1]

i have one of those cars that only takes the preimium stuff ...i wish i was only paying 3.50

nods... mine is a high performance economy car... I too have to pay premium rates, but mine is only $3.55 over here... and I've seen it even lower in Martinez... how much are you paying over there, manu?

[manu1959]

nods... mine is a high performance economy car... I too have to pay premium rates, but mine is only $3.55 over here... and I've seen it even lower in Martinez... how much are you paying over there, manu?

3.65 east of the tunnel but before walnut crick was 3.75 a while ago....hate to think what gas in the city is

[TheStripey1]

probably closer to $4... another good reason NOT to go there...

[manu1959]

probably closer to $4... another good reason NOT to go there...

nah...i love the city....great nightlife...great restaurants... family went to alcatraz at night a few weekends ago then had dinner in a building i helped design...

[Mr. P]

Think anyone'll be interested with gas nosing towards $3.50 per gallon? How many miles to the dollar do you get in that beast?

Nope, I can give it away. It's a typical full size PU truck about 12 mpg.
Our price goes up and down by .20 per gal as often as one day to the next so per dollar? Donno.

[shattered]

Wednesday morning: $2.85
Wednesday night: $2.99
Thursday morning: $3.09

Pfft.

[loosecannon]

Here is what they don't tell you...
The profit to the oil companies is a mere .07 per gallon. The rest of the cost per gallon is transportation cost, storage, all the middle men etc...And guess who gets the BIG piece of the pie at point of sale? Did you guess Govmint? You're right.

http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/statistics/gas_taxes_by_state_2002.html

That is a huge exaggeration Mr P.

Gasoline, diesel and Jet fuel/kerosene are by products of the truly profitable products that oil companies produce.

The oil companies have to sell them in huge quantities to get the feedstock for plastics fertilizers etc.

Gasoline is basically disposed of on a retail level to get the stuff that makes money.

And the profits are giant in Oil. Oil companies but their oil and pump it, transport it for a combined cost of $2-$15/barrel, then sell each barrel for almost $70/barrel. That is A gross profit of $55/barrel on each one of 80 million barrels produced and sold/day.

$4.4 billion dollars /day just in oil gross profits.

And since oil has more than doubled in price since 1999 ($30-$70) those profits increased 200% since 2001.

That is just the raw oil without counting any retail of fuels, refining, transporting, and down stream products like plastics and fertilizers that generate additional profits.

[manu1959]

cliff clavin.................

[Pale Rider]

maybe he will also place a placard in his car window exhorting his fellow northern nevadans (and nevadanettes) to do the same... that would bring it out of the realm of unseen protests...

Nah... I'm not liberal enough for that. The idea was sent to me in an email. I figured it would make a good topic for debate here.

[Mr. P]

cliff clavin.................

I don't think Cliff knows the difference between gross profit and net profit.

[manu1959]

I don't think Cliff knows the difference between gross profit and net profit.

a fin says he tells us anyway.........

[typomaniac]

Here's a better topic: the average price of gas was $1.46 in January of 2001.

:slap:

[Mr. P]

Nah... I'm not liberal enough for that. The idea was sent to me in an email. I figured it would make a good topic for debate here.

It is, Pale.

[Kathianne]

Here's a better topic: the average price of gas was $1.46 in January of 2001.

:slap:

So it's NOT all about oil?

[typomaniac]

cliff clavin.................I would have expected you to know more about TV than about business.

[typomaniac]

So it's NOT all about oil?Mostly it's about greed, methinks.

[Kathianne]

Mostly it's about greed, methinks.

Why not us? Where is the greed?

[Mr. P]

Here's a better topic: the average price of gas was $1.46 in January of 2001.

:slap:

So? I remember a coke being .50 0r less. And gas being .35 per gallon. What's yer point?

[typomaniac]

So? I remember a coke being .50 0r less. And gas being .35 per gallon. What's yer point?What's the annual inflation rate been over the past 6 years? Do the math.

[typomaniac]

Why not us? Where is the greed?There's certainly greed involved in commuting by yourself in a Hummer H1 five days a week, I'll concede that.

[Kathianne]

There's certainly greed involved in commuting by yourself in a Hummer H1 five days a week, I'll concede that.

and how many are there? Give me a break.

[typomaniac]

and how many are there? Give me a break.Ford Explorers aren't all that much better.

[Kathianne]

Ford Explorers aren't all that much better.

Again, the point?

[jimnyc]

I promise not to pump gas on the 15th, I'm about broke anyway! :)

[typomaniac]

Again, the point?A point, not THE point:

1. I said that mostly high gas prices were about greed.
2. You asked where the greed was, and implied it was "about us."
3. I agreed that it was partially about us.

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[Kathianne]

A point, not THE point:

1. I said that mostly high gas prices were about greed.
2. You asked where the greed was, and implied it was "about us."
3. I agreed that it was partially about us.

Additional programs are available at my site on eBay for $3.69 each.


Additional programs are available at my site on eBay for $3.69 each. LOL! pass!

[gabosaurus]

I thought you were all in favor of excessive corporate profits.

[Mr. P]

What's the annual inflation rate been over the past 6 years? Do the math.

15.6% Jan 01-Jan 07.

26.79% for Billy Boys 8 years.

Seems like things are better now, So what's yer point?

[loosecannon]

I don't think Cliff knows the difference between gross profit and net profit.

Of course I do.

But Gross profits of $4.4 billion/day are still giant net profits.

And that is just the crude oil.

[typomaniac]

15.6% Jan 01-Jan 07.

26.79% for Billy Boys 8 years.

Seems like things are better now, So what's yer point?I don't know what orifice you pulled those numbers from, but they sure as hell aren't from the Fed. :poke:

[loosecannon]

Here's a better topic: the average price of gas was $1.46 in January of 2001.

:slap:

What was that typo? Could you speak up?


Here's a better topic: the average price of gas was $1.46 in January of 2001.

:slap:

Thanks dude, I thought you said that.

Gee gasoline doubled in price under Bush. And the economy is great.

Prices doubling in 6 years is an outstanding economy.

[loosecannon]

So it's NOT all about oil?

Exactly, it is all about OIL PROFITS

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[loosecannon]

So? I remember a coke being .50 0r less. And gas being .35 per gallon. What's yer point?

The point was gas was 35 cents/ga in 1973.

It was 1.46 in 2001

It is 3.49 in 2007

If gasoline had increased in value at the same rate between 1973 and 2001 as it did between 2001 and 2007 it would have been $11.49/gallon in 2001, and $27.29/gallon today.

[Mr. P]

I don't know what orifice you pulled those numbers from, but they sure as hell aren't from the Fed. :poke:

They even have gas price inflation on the site.

http://inflationdata.com/inflation/inflation_rate/HistoricalInflation.aspx

[loosecannon]

I don't know what orifice you pulled those numbers from, but they sure as hell aren't from the Fed. :poke:

Yeah they are, comparing 6 years aggregate to 8 years aggregate.

But those numbers are still hogwash.

Real estate, oil, gasoline, copper, steel, aluminum, gold, silver and most commodities have more than doubled under Bush. In 6.5 years.

Whereas they rose only about 27% under Clinton.

100+% vs 27%.

[Pale Rider]

Yeah they are, comparing 6 years aggregate to 8 years aggregate.

But those numbers are still hogwash.

Real estate, oil, gasoline, copper, steel, aluminum, gold, silver and most commodities have more than doubled under Bush. In 6.5 years.

Whereas they rose only about 27% under Clinton.

100+% vs 27%.

I'm not convinced it's all about something Bush did. I think a lot of it has to do with the world economy, China, India, Iran playing around with building atomic bombs, and the war in Iraq.

[loosecannon]

I'm not convinced it's all about something Bush did. I think a lot of it has to do with the world economy, China, India, Iran playing around with building atomic bombs, and the war in Iraq.


Well Bush, Cheney and Condi are all oil career proffessionals. So naturally they wouldn't go with the oil interests.

The biggest chunk of it IS bigger than the WH. It included Great Britain and OPEC.

The oil cartels have erected an oil futures market that controls oil and oil prices on a whim.

Let's just say the Bush admin was a team player in representing the rights of oil and war profiteers.

At our expense.

$1/gallon could be shaved off each gallon of gasoline if the WH and congress regulated oil price fixing.

But they won't.

Even Chavez can and does sell oil and gas to the US at a 40% discount. Why?

Because Chavez doesn't serve the oil profiteers.

[Hobbit]

Ok, I just now found this thread or I would have chimed in earlier. Not buying gas on one day is quite possibly the stupidest idea I have ever heard as a protest in my entire life. It doesn't say drive less. It doesn't say to use less gas, just to basically move the date of purchase to either the day before or the day after. You cannot accomplish a boycott without giving up something. Simply moving the date of purchase will not even be noticed. At least hippies with drum circles by the reflecting pool attract attention.

Look, if you want to 'stick it' to the oil companies...DON'T BUY GAS. Do what I do when the squeeze is on. Ride a bike. Walk. Use mass transit. Drive less. USE...LESS...GAS!

That is all.

[avatar4321]

i dont see how this can possibly put a dent in their pockets. its not like they wont be getting their money. you are going to have to fill up at some point.

[Pale Rider]

Ok, I just now found this thread or I would have chimed in earlier. Not buying gas on one day is quite possibly the stupidest idea I have ever heard as a protest in my entire life. It doesn't say drive less. It doesn't say to use less gas, just to basically move the date of purchase to either the day before or the day after. You cannot accomplish a boycott without giving up something. Simply moving the date of purchase will not even be noticed. At least hippies with drum circles by the reflecting pool attract attention.

Look, if you want to 'stick it' to the oil companies...DON'T BUY GAS. Do what I do when the squeeze is on. Ride a bike. Walk. Use mass transit. Drive less. USE...LESS...GAS!

That is all.


Well don't hold back... tell us how you really feel. :uhoh:

[Pale Rider]

i dont see how this can possibly put a dent in their pockets. its not like they wont be getting their money. you are going to have to fill up at some point.

What "I" got out of it is, that if everyone didn't buy gas on one day, it would show the oil company's what sort of power the public actually has. What good that would do, I don't know. Like you say, you'll have to fill up at some point anyway.

I don't joy ride. The only time I drive my truck, which isn't the best on gas, is when it's necessary. Otherwise I ride my Harley, which gets 40 mpg city, and 45 mpg highway.

[Fountainhead]

The major oil companies in America are monopolies.

Chevron, Shell, 76, Valero, BP etc. here in CA unfairly control the market-price of gasoline. These oil companies are vertically integrated. They OWN and CONTROL every aspect of the fuel business. There is NO viable competition.

This has not always been true. Do you remember gas wars ?

When independent gas station operators would vie for customers by cutting their PROFIT on each gallon of gasoline ? Prices would spirol downward.

Now ... virtually ALL retail gasoline stations are OWNED by the brand-name fuel company. This very small group of Owners are FIXING the price of gasoline. They have monopolized the gasoline business ... and our brave, brave congressional representatives have done nothing about it.

My defense ? I save an average of .30/gal. EVERY TIME that I fill-up. How ? By simply purchasing my gasoline at the cheapest available market price. This is usually at COSTCO, WORLD, or ARCO stations. I constantly scan the website http://www.oaklandgasprices.com/ for the cheapest gasoline.

This is my constant and silent protest. I REFUSE to pay the usurious retail gasoline prices charged by the US oil company cartel. I REFUSE to help them set ever-greater record-breaking profits. Profiteering is illegal and I won't contribute to their larceny.

[loosecannon]

What "I" got out of it is, that if everyone didn't buy gas on one day, it would show the oil company's what sort of power the public actually has.

A LOT of smart people are saying exactly what you just said. That our corporate dominated power structure can and will ONLY respond to threats of mass boycotts.

If for example everybody stopped spending money on sundays without exception it would reach them like nothing else could.

The mere fact that the consuming public could act as a unit would change everything.

[Mr. P]

I think three days would drive the point home much better than one day.
The gas supply would backup like gas in a buffalo. :laugh2:

[loosecannon]

I think three days would drive the point home much better than one day.
The gas supply would backup like gas in a buffalo. :laugh2:

Great point, actual interuption of their carefully balanced machinery.

[KitchenKitten99]

so you buy gas on the 14th or the 16th... what's the difference?

Now if you, and everyone else, traded in their gas guzzler for a Prius... that might put a dent in their pocket.

maybe... probably not though, they'd just raise the prices more...

When they make a Prius actually look cool, can haul 4 adults or 2 adults and two kids in car seats as well as a full-grown Siberian Husky, and a trunk with enough room for a full-size stroller and 3 weeks worth of groceries for my family and daycare kids from Sam's club, and it says GM on it and not Toyota, then I will buy a Prius. Until then, my Impala or Cadillac can handle the aforementioned with no problems.

[KitchenKitten99]

Don't pump gas on MAY 15th


NO GAS...On May 15th 2007

Don't pump gas on MAY 15th

In April 1997, there was a "gas out" conducted nationwide in protest of gas
prices. Gasoline prices dropped 30 cents a gallon overnight.

On May 15th 2007, all internet users are to not go to a gas station in protest
of high gas prices. Gas is now over $3.00 a gallon in most places.

There are 73,000,000+ American members currently on the internet network, and
the average car takes about 30 to 50 dollars to fill up.

If all users did not go to the pump on the 15th, it would take
$2,292,000,000.00 (that's almost 3 BILLION) out of the oil companies pockets for
just one day, so please do not go to the gas station on May 15th and lets try to
put a dent in the Middle Eastern oil industry for at least one day.

If you agree (which I cant see why you wouldn't) resend this to all your
contact list. With it saying, ''Don't pump gas on May 15th"

Please check this site before posting chain emails: www.snopes.com

Here's your same email link, which shows this email is older than the last one you posted (from as far back as 1999): http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/nogas.asp
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[krisy]

I saw a story on the local news a year or so ago about a guy who had converted his car to use oil that he would get from fast food joints that were throwing it out. It wasn't much to convert the car over....under a thousand he claimed. I wonder if it"s that easy tho,if it is why doesn't everyone do it?


Pale,I would love to sock it to the oil companies as much as you. Even tho they get a little off of each gallon sold,how are they making billions in profits?

[Mr. P]

I saw a story on the local news a year or so ago about a guy who had converted his car to use oil that he would get from fast food joints that were throwing it out. It wasn't much to convert the car over....under a thousand he claimed. I wonder if it"s that easy tho,if it is why doesn't everyone do it?


There is a guy in Atlanta doing it. Cheaper to convert diesel to the veg oil than gas engines. Most folks don't drive diesel.


Pale,I would love to sock it to the oil companies as much as you. Even tho they get a little off of each gallon sold,how are they making billions in profits?

Volume, krisy. That's our fault.

[Hobbit]

Well don't hold back... tell us how you really feel. :uhoh:

I always do. :P

What we, the consumers, must do if we wish to actually see some results in gas prices are twofold.

1. Actually driving less. Moving the date of purchase won't do crap.

2. Contact the government and tell them to can it with the gas tax hikes. The government makes something on the order of triple what the gas company makes per gallon. Remember, if Exxon has record profits, the government is getting 3 times that much in taxes. I wonder if they'll give all of those 'excess' earnings back. Actually, I don't wonder, because I know they'll use it hire hookers...made of solid gold.

[KitchenKitten99]

2. Contact the government and tell them to can it with the gas tax hikes. The government makes something on the order of triple what the gas company makes per gallon. Remember, if Exxon has record profits, the government is getting 3 times that much in taxes. I wonder if they'll give all of those 'excess' earnings back. Actually, I don't wonder, because I know they'll use it hire hookers...made of solid gold.

You can tell them that, but they will find another way to get the money. My county (and two others) approved a 'Wheelage" tax last year because their excuse was since the gas tax hasn't been raised in 20 years, they need more funding for roads. YET... There was an ammendment voted in last November to make sure all vehicle-related taxes go TO roads and transit. There is just one problem with that ammendment. The stipulation is that a MINIMUM of 40% of the revenues go to transit, a MAXIMUM of 60% goes to roads and transportation. And the legislators can change the amount of funding as long as the guidelines are met. So if they want to, they can make 70% of revenue go to mass transit, and only 30% to roads (this is for the whole state mind you), and they still meed criteria, without a consensus or input from the residents. Even though only 2% of the whole population of MN uses public transportation on a regular basis.

So, because the gas tax has not been raised, I have to pay $12 more per vehicle for my tab renewal ($36 for me total) , as a 'Wheelage tax" because of the greedy bastards on Capitol Hill.

[Mr. P]

You can tell them that, but they will find another way to get the money. My county (and two others) approved a 'Wheelage" tax last year because their excuse was since the gas tax hasn't been raised in 20 years, they need more funding for roads. YET... There was an ammendment voted in last November to make sure all vehicle-related taxes go TO roads and transit. There is just one problem with that ammendment. The stipulation is that a MINIMUM of 40% of the revenues go to transit, a MAXIMUM of 60% goes to roads and transportation. And the legislators can change the amount of funding as long as the guidelines are met. So if they want to, they can make 70% of revenue go to mass transit, and only 30% to roads (this is for the whole state mind you), and they still meed criteria, without a consensus or input from the residents. Even though only 2% of the whole population of MN uses public transportation on a regular basis.

So, because the gas tax has not been raised, I have to pay $12 more per vehicle for my tab renewal ($36 for me total) , as a 'Wheelage tax" because of the greedy bastards on Capitol Hill.

$36 for a tag total? Per year?

[KitchenKitten99]

$36 for a tag total? Per year?

no, additional. the caddy is now $75/year (was $63), Impala $119 (was $107), and my Monte Carlo is $85/year (was $73). Granted my mom pays for the tabs on the MC, but it is still in my name until August. And based on my Impala's model year (2000), it was supposed to go down this year, but instead went up.

[Pale Rider]

I think three days would drive the point home much better than one day.
The gas supply would backup like gas in a buffalo. :laugh2:

Well yes, that's the point. If one day cost them billions, three days would practically cripple them, and that surely would get their damn attention. There'd be pure pandemonium inside the oil cartel, not to mention that backed up buffalo... :laugh2: