Here's a quote for you....

[revelarts]

Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end.

-Leonard Nimoy

[LongTermGuy]

“Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the little voice at the end of the day that says I'll try again tomorrow.”
― Mary Anne Radmacher (http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/149829.Mary_Anne_Radmacher)

......

Bonus Quote:


“But paradise is locked and bolted....
We must make a journey around the world to see if a back door has perhaps been left open.”
― Heinrich von Kleist (http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/54427.Heinrich_von_Kleist), On a Theatre of Marionettes (http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/4637505)

[revelarts]

....I accepted an invitation to talk to the women’s branch of the Ku Klux Klan … I saw through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated crosses … I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak … In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered.....
Margret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood

In 1926, Sanger spoke at a Ku Klux Klan rally in 1926 in Silver Lake, New Jersey. Following the invitation, Sanger describes her elation after receiving multiple speaking requests from white supremacy groups. She writes of the experience on page 366 of her book, An Autobiography

[LongTermGuy]

~ "Pick up your Obama Phone and order some with your food stamp EBT card" ~

[LongTermGuy]

“The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next.” Abraham Lincoln

[revelarts]

"It may be that it is the obnoxious thing in its mildest and least repulsive form; but illegitimate and unconstitutional practices get their first footing in that way, namely, by silent approaches and slight deviations from legal modes of procedure. ...It is the duty of courts to be watchful for the constitutional rights of the citizen, and against any stealthy encroachments thereon."

— Justice Joseph Bradley - United States Supreme Court
(1886)

[aboutime]

“I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how a man could look up into the heavens and say there is no God.”
― Abraham Lincoln

Wish our politicians knew this....
“No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar”
― Abraham Lincoln

[LongTermGuy]

`I don't know that God experiences time like we do or when He created it`

: Peter 3:8
`But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.`

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

....I accepted an invitation to talk to the women’s branch of the Ku Klux Klan … I saw through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated crosses … I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak … In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered.....
Margret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood

In 1926, Sanger spoke at a Ku Klux Klan rally in 1926 in Silver Lake, New Jersey. Following the invitation, Sanger describes her elation after receiving multiple speaking requests from white supremacy groups. She writes of the experience on page 366 of her book, An Autobiography

You do know that Sanger was and still is a lib/dem hero... much the same way as is FDR. Right?
She was back then too!!!!--Tyr

[LongTermGuy]

​"Your suffering will be legendary...even in Hell"

:coffee:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnaeO6QSPI

[LongTermGuy]

~ "If the Democrat lap dog media will have to choose between Billary and Ted Cruz, do you really think they will favor the GOP candidate?
....Let me tell you something: if a video would be released showing her having sexual intercourse with a German Shepherd dog named Adolf she would still be the candidate favored by the liberal media.
They're is no crime, no matter how odious a Democrat candidate can perpetrate that can make the liberals in the media turn on him/her and support a Republican instead. They would rather stick red hot nails into their eyeballs then cut their wrists with a rusty knife blade and bleed until they die rather than treat a Republican fairly." ~

:coffee:

[revelarts]

Fear is the foundation of most governments.
John Adams

Many of the benefits from keeping terrorism fear levels high are obvious. Private corporations suck up massive amounts of Homeland Security cash as long as that fear persists, while government officials in the National Security and Surveillance State can claim unlimited powers and operate with unlimited secrecy and no accountability.
Glenn Greenwald

America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand.
Harry S Truman

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Fear is the foundation of most governments.
John Adams

Many of the benefits from keeping terrorism fear levels high are obvious. Private corporations suck up massive amounts of Homeland Security cash as long as that fear persists, while government officials in the National Security and Surveillance State can claim unlimited powers and operate with unlimited secrecy and no accountability.
Glenn Greenwald

America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand.
Harry S Truman


Trumann canned MacArthur, thus I automatically discount any quote that bastard ever made. He was a dishonest political, self-serving animal..
Douglas MacArthur was dead on right, we should have nuked China into submission. --Tyr

[LongTermGuy]

~ "What? A protest with a bunch of black people turns violent?
Shocked I say, how could something like this have happened?

First they demanded integration and now some want segregation? I just can't keep up." ~

....{​unknown}

[revelarts]

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.
C. S. Lewis

[revelarts]

Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important.
C. S. Lewis
If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark would be without meaning.
C. S. Lewis

A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell.
C. S. Lewis

Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see.
C. S. Lewis

[LongTermGuy]

`Pattern recognition has been the key to human ascendancy`

[LongTermGuy]

~ "Sleep well and dream of large women." ~

[LongTermGuy]

~ "There's no such thing as a liberal. A liberal is a commie with a college education thinking negro thoughts." ~

[revelarts]

Prophetic Warning: Senator Frank Church –
who chaired the famous “Church Committee” into the unlawful FBI Cointel program, and who chaired the Senate Foreign Relations Committee – said in 1975:

“Th[e National Security Agency's] capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide. [If a dictator ever took over, the N.S.A.] could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back.“

[Gunny]

Prophetic Warning: Senator Frank Church –
who chaired the famous “Church Committee” into the unlawful FBI Cointel program, and who chaired the Senate Foreign Relations Committee – said in 1975:

“Th[e National Security Agency's] capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide. [If a dictator ever took over, the N.S.A.] could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back.“

Off your meds today, huh?

[revelarts]

Off your meds today, huh?

you don't like the truth today, huh?

[aboutime]

Prophetic Warning: Senator Frank Church –
who chaired the famous “Church Committee” into the unlawful FBI Cointel program, and who chaired the Senate Foreign Relations Committee – said in 1975:

“Th[e National Security Agency's] capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide. [If a dictator ever took over, the N.S.A.] could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back.“


Glad to finally see you admit how OBAMA has become our Dictator. Thanks to Frank Church. Now, maybe you can tell us HOW to fight back when Obama ignores his Oath, and our Constitution to please our enemies, and build his Legacy as the WORST Dictator, President in History.

[Perianne]

Glad to finally see you admit how OBAMA has become our Dictator. Thanks to Frank Church. Now, maybe you can tell us HOW to fight back when Obama ignores his Oath, and our Constitution to please our enemies, and build his Legacy as the WORST Dictator, President in History.

aboutime, do you consider Obama worse than Lincoln?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

~ "Sleep well and dream of large women." ~

You misspelled --"boobs" .. :poke:

And dream of large boobs, nice ring to it too. ;)--Tyr

[revelarts]

Glad to finally see you admit how OBAMA has become our Dictator. Thanks to Frank Church. Now, maybe you can tell us HOW to fight back when Obama ignores his Oath, and our Constitution to please our enemies, and build his Legacy as the WORST Dictator, President in History.

OH Yeah, Obama and Bush have been unconstitutional dictatorial in many of their actions. we agree.
Which ones worse? it's hard to say. Bush opened the hole for Obama to run through, so Obama may take the ball further in the end.

[aboutime]

OH Yeah, Obama and Bush have been unconstitutional dictatorial in many of their actions. we agree.
Which ones worse? it's hard to say. Bush opened the hole for Obama to run through, so Obama may take the ball further in the end.


Reminder rev. Bush has been out of Washington, and the Oval office for six-plus years. But as expected from you. A defender of OBAMA the Dictator....you love. You had to blame Bush again....somehow, some way, somewhere. How typically Liberal, and Hateful of you.

[Drummond]

Reminder rev. Bush has been out of Washington, and the Oval office for six-plus years. But as expected from you. A defender of OBAMA the Dictator....you love. You had to blame Bush again....somehow, some way, somewhere. How typically Liberal, and Hateful of you.

Aboutime ... in my experience, the greater the Conservative leader, so the greater the duration of all the barbs they get.

Margaret Thatcher has been dead for a while now ... but not only did our Left do their utmost to attack her when in Office, not only did they continue long after she'd left Downing Street, but they even continued their attacks after she died !!

If Bush continues to be the butt of such attacks, my advice is to see it as the indicator of the meritorious leader he was ! The greater the attacks, the greater the compliment to him and his record.

[revelarts]

Reminder rev. Bush has been out of Washington, and the Oval office for six-plus years. But as expected from you. A defender of OBAMA the Dictator....you love. You had to blame Bush again....somehow, some way, somewhere. How typically Liberal, and Hateful of you.

AT I see you can't read.
some how you think if someones says BOTH are bad that they REALY mean ONE is good. The one you pick at that.

Where's Jim to come and complain about people putting words in others mouths here?

AT, that's about THE most DISHONEST reading of my post as I've seen. and there have been plenty. sorry i don't fit your lil left right mold AT
Sorry your reading comprehension is so poor.

I try to be an equal opportunity political crook detector.
I've been complaining about Bush for years and quickly added Obama to the my list of political crooks when he came on board. though i never try to just make up any ol crap and say anyone is ALL evil ALL the time as some seem to do.
But they BOTH should be in JAIL as far as i'm concerned.
Bush pissed on the the constitution in ways I thought i'd never see a so called "conservative" do. Obama grabed the baton and ran like h3ll with it as well.
they're both are criminals. I will not forget what they've done. even if you want to DREAM that Bush is somehow better and DEFEND his BS pretending that it doesn't smell anymore because he's gone.

Bush's legacy still lingers AT.
BS war on terror, gitmo, patriot act, warrentless wire taps, ending of posse comitatus, taking the nat'l guard from the Governors, torture, BS preemptive war, secret overseas prisons, TSA, etcetc
Those are not Carter or Reagan or HWB or Clinton or Obama legacy items, that all Bush AT. Bush gave those to America, Obama has owned all of that from Bush and laid his layers of crap on top of all that.

I suspect that you still don't get it.
you just like to whine about my post in general anyway, whatever AT.

[aboutime]

AT I see you can't read.
some how you think if someones says BOTH are bad that they REALY mean ONE is good. The one you pick at that.

Where's Jim to come and complain about people putting words in others mouths here?

AT, that's about THE most DISHONEST reading of my post as I've seen. and there have been plenty. sorry i don't fit your lil left right mold AT
Sorry your reading comprehension is so poor.

I try to be an equal opportunity political crook detector.
I've been complaining about Bush for years and quickly added Obama to the my list of political crooks when he came on board. though i never try to just make up any ol crap and say anyone is ALL evil ALL the time as some seem to do.
But they BOTH should be in JAIL as far as i'm concerned.
Bush pissed on the the constitution in ways I thought i'd never see a so called "conservative" do. Obama grabed the baton and ran like h3ll with it as well.
they're both are criminals. I will not forget what they've done. even if you want to DREAM that Bush is somehow better and DEFEND his BS pretending that it doesn't smell anymore because he's gone.

Bush's legacy still lingers AT.
BS war on terror, gitmo, patriot act, warrentless wire taps, ending of posse comitatus, taking the nat'l guard from the Governors, torture, BS preemptive war, secret overseas prisons, TSA, etcetc
Those are not Carter or Reagan or HWB or Clinton or Obama legacy items, that all Bush AT. Bush gave those to America, Obama has owned all of that from Bush and laid his layers of crap on top of all that.

I suspect that you still don't get it.
you just like to whine about my post in general anyway, whatever AT.



You couldn't leave well enough alone. Thanks for proving my point again. WHATEVER? How original, and dumb.

EXCUSES, EXCUSES, EXCUSES. And you really are funny too! You and others have never proven he Lied, and none of you ever will.

[revelarts]

The right to defy an unconstitutional statute is basic in our scheme. Even when an ordinance requires a permit to make a speech, to deliver a sermon, to picket, to parade, or to assemble, it need not be honored when it's invalid on its face. –
Potter Stewart (1915-1985), U.S. Supreme Court Justice, Walker v. Birmingham, 1967

The Constitution is a written instrument. As such, its meaning does not alter. That which it meant when it was adopted, it means now. –
South Carolina v. United States, 199 U.S. 437, 448 (1905)

When a legislature undertakes to proscribe the exercise of a citizen's constitutional rights it acts lawlessly and the citizen can take matters into his own hands and proceed on the basis that such a law is no law at all. –
Justice William O. Douglas

The Constitution is not neutral. It was designed to take the government off the backs of people.
– Justice William O. DouglasThe ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it. –
Felix Frankfurter, Graves vs. New York; 1939

[revelarts]

Emergency does not increase granted power or remove or diminish the restrictions imposed upon power granted or reserved. The Constitution was adopted in a period of grave emergency. Its grants of power to the federal government and its limitations of the power of the States were determined in the light of emergency, and they are not altered by emergency. –
Charles Evans Hughes
(1862-1948), Chief Justice, U.S. Supreme Court, Home Building & Loan Assn v. Blairsdell, 1934

[LongTermGuy]

http://www.ctoutandabout.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Smiling_Mule.jpg

~ "You see my mule don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it..." ~

[LongTermGuy]

"Who Knows what evil Lurks in the hearts of Men...The shadow Knows"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMlRpN8ANrU

[Balu]

Confucious say "He who laughs last must not get joke".

Rira bien, qui rira le dernier.

He laughs best who laughs last.

[Gunny]

Rira bien, qui rira le dernier.

He laughs best who laughs last.

He who laughs last has an M40A1 that fires a .308 at 1765 ftps and will blow your commie head right the fuck off at 1200 meters.

Questions?

[Jeff]

He who laughs last has an M40A1 that fires a .308 at 1765 ftps and will blow your commie head right the fuck off at 1200 meters.

Questions?

Hey, leave my little commie buddy alone Gunny, hell I am going to be his guest in Russia. :laugh:


Your such a angry young man, always wanting to Blow some Commie's effing head off, heck he won't be able to purchase my ticket if you do that. :laugh:

[LongTermGuy]

Hey, leave my little commie buddy alone Gunny, hell I am going to be his guest in Russia. :laugh:


Your such a angry young man, always wanting to Blow some Commie's effing head off, heck he won't be able to purchase my ticket if you do that. :laugh:


You evil conniving bastard you!:coffee: Good morning:laugh:

[Jeff]

You evil conniving bastard you!:coffee: Good morning:laugh:

Good Morning Buddy. :thumb:

[Kathianne]

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No matter how low your opinion of Washington DC, it's nothing compared to Washington DC's low opinion of you.

[revelarts]

"If God doesn't soon bring judgment upon America, He'll have to go back and apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah!"

Ruth Graham 1965
Billy Graham's wife

[LongTermGuy]

http://www.notable-quotes.com/g/god_quote_4.jpg

[aboutime]

"If God doesn't soon bring judgment upon America, He'll have to go back and apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah!"

Ruth Graham 1965
Billy Graham's wife

rev. GOD NEVER NEEDS TO APOLOGIZE FOR ANYTHING!

[revelarts]

Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.
John Quincy Adams

[LongTermGuy]

~ "As a matter of fact, yeah....they were foolproof....The problem is that you don't have to protect yourself against fools....You have to protect yourself from people like me" ~

-- Jeffery Deaver

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[Balu]

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No matter how low your opinion of Washington DC, it's nothing compared to Washington DC's low opinion of you.

It sounds no good at all, if to think deep into the meaning. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/sad.gif

[LongTermGuy]

“I just dont know how...to think less. If you know how, then teach me...”
― Aishah Madadiy (http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/5819255.Aishah_Madadiy), Velvet di Durham (http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/19201924)

:laugh:

[LongTermGuy]

"You were quite a bit off, weren't you? No need to explain, you're not the first one. Just take a deep breath, then start packing warm clothes and a shovel. The commissar will take you to the train station with the rest of them"

*Unknown....

[LongTermGuy]

​http://www.glocktalk.com/attachments/tumblr_n9udq58zce1tikadco3_r1_250-gif.254355/

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

​http://www.glocktalk.com/attachments/tumblr_n9udq58zce1tikadco3_r1_250-gif.254355/

I can remember saying that a few times!!! :laugh:--Tyr

[LongTermGuy]

"Mr. Limbaugh said: “There’s just one problem — Trump is not following the rules that "targets are supposed to follow"...... Targets are supposed to immediately grovel, apologize.”
“Guiding all of this,” Mr. Limbaugh said, “is the guiding "presumption" that the majority of the American people are as outraged as the "media are.”

[LongTermGuy]

`10 people come..9 Politicians Enter....1 Man Leave`

[LongTermGuy]

~ “.@FrankLuntz is a low class slob who came to my office looking for consulting work and I had zero interest. Now he picks anti-Trump panels!” he said." ~

[revelarts]

....seems more and more real....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFE-8_xsHog

[revelarts]

Perrianne, i have to say, I'm not sure we look as that clip the same way.

[Perianne]

Perrianne, i have to say, I'm not sure we look as that clip the same way.

I know we don't. But I still appreciate you sharing it.

[revelarts]

“I am convinced that when Nietzsche came to Switzerland and went insane, it was not because of venereal disease, though he did have this disease. Rather, it was because he understood that insanity was the only philosophic answer if the infinite-personal God does not exist.”
How Should We Then Live? The Rise and Decline of Western Thought and Culture (https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/522965)



“We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.”

“If man is not made in the image of God, nothing then stands in the way of inhumanity. There is no good reason why mankind should be perceived as special. Human life is cheapened. We can see this in many of the major issues being debated in our society today: abortion, infanticide, euthanasia, the increase of child abuse and violence of all kinds, pornography ... , the routine torture of political prisoners in many parts of the world, the crime explosion, and the random violence which surrounds us.”

"Christianity provides a unified answer for the whole of life."

"Christianity is the greatest intellectual system the mind of man has ever touched."

“Regardless of a man's system, he has to live in God's world.”
The God Who Is There (https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/77364)


Francis A. Schaeffer

[revelarts]

"No totalitarian authority nor authoritarian state can tolerate those who have an absolute by which to judge that state and its actions. The Christians had that absolute in God's revelation. Because the Christians had an absolute, universal standard by which to judge not only personal morals but the state, they were counted as enemies of totalitarian Rome and were thrown to the beasts."
Francis Schaeffer

[revelarts]

“If they can get you to ask the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about the answers.”
Thomas Pynchon

[revelarts]

“In the twenties the religious education of children was classified as a political crime under Article 58-10 of the Code—in other words, counter revolutionary propaganda! True, one was still permitted to renounce one's religion at one's trial: it didn't often happen but it nonetheless did happen that the father would renounce his religion and remain at home to raise the children while the mother went to the Solovetsky Islands. (Throughout all those years women manifested great firmness in their faith.) All persons convicted of religious activity received tenners, the longest term then given.”
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, soviet dissident author,
The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956


“...And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you’d be cracking the skull of a cutthroat....”
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, soviet dissident author,
The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956

[revelarts]

“And even in the fever of epidemic arrests, when people leaving for work said farewell to their families every day, because they could not be certain they would return at night, even then almost no one tried to run away and only in rare cases did people commit suicide. And that was exactly what was required. A submissive sheep is a find for a wolf.”
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956

[LongTermGuy]

"​Walking dead starting now..."

[LongTermGuy]

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~ "That`s why its important to Deport Illegal Parasite eggs with the parents early...if not..they become dependent on American tax dollars...wont conform to American values and `think they own the place`...and one day..they breed and have more eggs...and the process starts all over again...until there is no America left....and everything is consumed and run down...like a third world country..." ~

[revelarts]

http://orig13.deviantart.net/40fc/f/2013/280/8/1/thomas_jefferson_on_banks_by_fourdaysfromnow-d6plfvi.jpg

[LongTermGuy]

XXX UFC Women's Bantamweight Title: Ronda Rousey vs. Holly Holm XXX

Rousey's story is well known at this point, an Olympic bronze medalist in judo who is 12-0 in MMA with 11 first round stoppages and 1 third round stoppage. Her striking has improved greatly but her ground game and armbar remains her bread and butter.

Holm was a world champion boxer who has won all her MMA fights. She hasn't looked great in the UFC thus far, however, and her ground game is a question mark against such a high level opponent.

Round 1. Rousey comes in swinging wildly with punches. Holm circles from the outside and connnects with a hard combination includes a straight punch to the jaw. Rousey clinches a minute and 20 seconds in. Holm brushes off the clinch and lands a few hard punches. Rousey is bleeding from the nose. Rousey gets a clinch and takes Holm down, but she can't get the armbar. Holm backs off and lands a big punch as they return to the feet. Rousey continues to look to close distance with Holm landing shots as she moves in. Holm is pounding Rousey with shots. Rousey hurts Holm with a hook. Holm is forced to clinch and takes Rousey down. Holm then backs off and stands up. Rousey charges in wildly in desperation. They clinch and exchange knees to the body. 10-9 Holm.

Round 2. Rousey dives in and gets caught with a couple of counter punches. Holm is a different level of striker. Holly Holm with a head kick that knocks Rousey out.

Winner: Holly Holm, KO, round 2.
That was one of the biggest upsets in MMA history. Holm when she entered MMA was thought to be a big challenge to anyone because of her boxing background and because she was knocking opponents out with head kicks. Her first two UFC fights were struggles even in victory and people backed off from that optimism even as she remained unbeaten.

This fight affirmed those original hopes as Holm demonstrated all her skill and athleticism.
For Rousey, it was a bad weekend. She came off as a bad sportswoman insulting and refusing to touch gloves with the even tempered and good natured Holm and then fought a wild, dangerous fight that didn't show sufficient respect for her opponent's ability.
For UFC, it's likely a big victory. Rousey's star is already so high and it sets up what will be a massive money rematch, perhaps at UFC 200 next year.`


Wow!

[revelarts]

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[LongTermGuy]

http://overpassesforamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/obama-clown-climate-change.jpg

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://overpassesforamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/obama-clown-climate-change.jpg

Perfect picture but the problem is that scam is being used worldwide to steal ever more power and eliminate ever more freedom. In fear people are greater ever greater power to the globalists and they are pure evil as are their allies the muslims! Each using the other to further certain murdering, power grabbing goals. --Tyr

[LongTermGuy]

President `o` on TV now...

"We have to do our part ...we cannot close our hearts to REFUGEES...."

[Gunny]

President `o` on TV now...

"We have to do our part ...we cannot close our hearts to REFUGEES...."

Oh, you must be watching what I am ... World's Dumbest Criminals on TruTV.

[LongTermGuy]

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[LongTermGuy]

http://www.thoughtsfromaconservativemom.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/backtosleep_obama_muslim.gif

[revelarts]

The three aims of the tyrant are,
1, the humiliation of his subjects; he knows that a mean-spirited man will not conspire against anybody;

2, the creation of mistrust among them; for a tyrant is not to be overthrown until men begin to have confidence in one another -- and this is the reason why tyrants are at war with the good; they are under the idea that their power is endangered by them, not only because they will not be ruled despotically, but also because they are too loyal to one another and to other men, and do not inform against one another or against other men --

3, the tyrant desires that all his subjects shall be incapable of action, for no one attempts what is impossible and they will not attempt to overthrow a tyranny if they are powerless.
Aristotle

[revelarts]

"My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military."

"War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses."

"I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket."

"I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag."



Major General , Smedley Darlington Butler

[aboutime]

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rev. You and Carlin must have been related. Both of you hate, or hated cops.

So, would you like to tell us about your run-in's with the police? Carlin had many too!:laugh:

[LongTermGuy]

~ ​"Expect the unexpected and be prepared to react....Don`t be Afraid..Be bold in your response..." ~

[LongTermGuy]

~ "Not a good thing for muslim turkey to stick its neck out...... lots of turkeys getting their heads chopped off this .......

.....time of the year....also not a good idea to poke a bear with a short stick." ~


`Russia to deploy S-400 defense missile system to Khmeimim airbase in Syria - defense minister`

[revelarts]

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[Perianne]

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A real man would beat the mosquito to death.

I read one time that Superman got crabs. He killed them with a ball peen hammer. :)

[LongTermGuy]

http://www.featurepics.com/FI/Thumb300/20081210/Man-Having-Cup-Coffee-997206.jpg


~ "Watching the Kubuki Theatre that is Chicago. <nobr style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'PT Sans', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; line-height: 13.6889px; background-color: rgb(250, 250, 250);">Obama administration (http://www.glocktalk.com/#) </nobr>is sending out mouthpieces to deflect

blame from the mayor. The whole thing smells bad. Really bad. The police chief is <nobr style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'PT Sans', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; line-height: 13.6889px; background-color: rgb(250, 250, 250);">fired (http://www.glocktalk.com/#)</nobr> because the mayor

says that he's lost the confidence of the people. Ya think?.... He's been chief for four and a half years with about

2000 killings during that time. The absolute worst thing for the lot of them in Chicago is that there are

no <nobr style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'PT Sans', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; line-height: 13.6889px; background-color: rgb(250, 250, 250);">republicans (http://www.glocktalk.com/#)</nobr> within four light years distance to blame the mess on. Own it boys and take your punishment." ~

[revelarts]

We seek peace, knowing that peace is the climate of freedom.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

[revelarts]

...He (GOD) has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being...
Apostle Paul Acts 17:26-28

...I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God,who sits on the throne,and to the Lamb.”...
Apostle John Revelation 7:9-10

[revelarts]

"We have to condemn publicly the very idea that some people have the right to repress others.
In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers ... we are ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations."
- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

[revelarts]

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[revelarts]

"You do not wake up one morning a bad person. It happens by a thousand tiny surrenders of self-respect to self-interest."
- Robert Brault

[revelarts]

http://www.quotessays.com/images/hermann-goerings-quotes-1.jpg

[revelarts]

You know your country is dying when you have to make a distinction between what is moral and ethical, and what is legal."
John De Armond

"When people who are honestly mistaken learn the truth, they will either cease being mistaken, or cease being honest!"
Anonymous

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
William Pitt

He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself.
Thomas Paine

The first question which the priest and the Levite asked was: "If I stop to help this man, what will happen to me?" But... the good Samaritan reversed the question: "If I do not stop to help this man, what will happen to him?"
Martin Luther King, Jr.

An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi

[revelarts]

“The easiest way to gain control of a population is to carry out acts of terror. [The public] will clamor for such laws if their personal security is threatened”.
- Josef Stalin -


"When people are are being beaten by a stick they aren't much happy if it's called "the people's" stick.
Mikhail Bakunin


"your dead kids don't trump my constitutional rights"
Joe the Plummer

[revelarts]

The future ain't what it used to be.
Yogi Berra

[revelarts]

Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Groucho Marx

[Abbey Marie]

"People suck"

-Mike Tyson

[aboutime]

"People suck"

-Mike Tyson


Who also said.... "I take a BITE out of crime!":laugh:

[revelarts]

Here a quote from the an unheard quarter.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/rubicon666/12311225_10154431919708327_5779427991779131547_n_z pswf7yc747.jpg

[LongTermGuy]

"If Clyde wants you dead, you're dead"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op420yvuUzk

[sundaydriver]

“Remember, if you ever need a helping hand, it's at the end of your arm, as you get older, remember you have another hand: The first is to help yourself, the second is to help others.”
― Sam Levenson

[Drummond]

.. I hope Revelarts is taking notes ...

Always be on guard against tyranny, whatever shape it may assume.

Any clever person can make plans for winning a war if he has no responsibility for carrying them out.

You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: Victory – victory at all costs, victory in spite of terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival. [This one was in preparation for the anticipated struggle against Nazism, just months before the London Blitz of 1940]

We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills, we shall never surrender. [The proper attitude against an implacable enemy, I suggest ..]

We must be careful not to assign to this deliverance the attributes of a victory. Wars are not won by evacuations. [ Obama should've heeded that one, rather than pull troops out of Iraq !!]

I am a man of simple tastes—I am quite easily satisfied with the best of everything.

[Gunny]

“Remember, if you ever need a helping hand, it's at the end of your arm, as you get older, remember you have another hand: The first is to help yourself, the second is to help others.”
― Sam Levenson

Never look down on someone unless it's to offer them a hand up.

[LongTermGuy]

``....RIP Lemmy...Thanks for the music.``


`Motörhead frontman dead at 70`

​https://consequenceofsound.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/screen-shot-2015-12-28-at-7-36-21-pm.png?w=1182
He was 70 years old....

https://consequenceofsound.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/screen-shot-2015-12-28-at-7-36-21-pm.png?w=1182


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M4FG1UXH5w

[aboutime]

The Journey of a Thousand Miles Begins with One Step.
The title of this article is based on the words of Lao Tzu, who said,
“The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.”

[revelarts]

@drummond
as you often do, you fail to take in the whole picture and only see what you want.
more Churchill quote


"Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things."
Winston Churchill


"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law."
Winston Churchill

"We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle."
Winston Churchill


"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on."
Winston Churchill

"Battles are won by slaughter and maneuver. The greater the general, the more he contributes in maneuver, the less he demands in slaughter."
Winston Churchill

"We shall show mercy, but we shall not ask for it."
Winston Churchill

"Nothing can be more abhorrent to democracy than to imprison a person or keep him in prison because he is unpopular. This is really the test of civilization."
Winston Churchill

"To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war."
Winston Churchill


these last 2 i ask you to reflect on.

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened."
Winston Churchill

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."
Winston Churchill

[LongTermGuy]

~ "*I'm* the enemy. Because I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, freedom of choice. I'm

the kind if guy who would sit in the greasy spoon and think "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the big

rack of Barbecued spare ribs with the side order of gravy fries?"

...... I *want* high cholesterol. I want to eat bacon, butter and buckets of cheese alright? I want to smoke a

Cuban cigar the size of Cincinatti in a non-smoking section. I wanna run around naked with green jell-o all

over my body reading a Playboy magazine. Why? Because maybe I feel the need to okay pal?" ~

*Remember the movie this quote came from?;)

[Russ]

If you're going through Hell... keep going! - Winston Churchill

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

If you're going through Hell... keep going! - Winston Churchill
If you are living in Hell, you must have voted in the obama(twice!).
author--me... ;)-Tyr

[Drummond]

@drummond
as you often do, you fail to take in the whole picture and only see what you want.
revelarts

.. and you DON'T ?

I have a right to choose what quotes I append here. As do you.

Suggest you stop trying to score argumentative points and stick to the thread's purpose !

[Drummond]

In politics, If you want anything said, ask a man. If you want anything done, ask a woman.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Look at a day when you are supremely satisfied at the end. It's not a day when you lounge around doing nothing; it's a day you've had everything to do and you've done it.

I am extraordinarily patient, provided I get my own way in the end.

I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.

When I'm out of politics I'm going to run a business, it'll be called rent-a-spine.

Europe was created by history. America was created by philosophy.

Consensus: “The process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values, and policies in search of something in which no one believes, but to which no one objects; the process of avoiding the very issues that have to be solved, merely because you cannot get agreement on the way ahead. What great cause would have been fought and won under the banner: ‘I stand for consensus?'

Of course it's the same old story. Truth usually is the same old story.

To those waiting with bated breath for that favourite media catchphrase, the U-turn, I have only this to say, ‘You turn if you want; the lady’s not for turning'

[Perianne]

All from the great Thomas Sowell

"Since this is an era when many people are concerned about 'fairness' and 'social justice,' what is your 'fair share' of what someone else has worked for?"

"There are few talents more richly rewarded with both wealth and power, in countries around the world, than the ability to convince backward people that their problems are caused by other people who are more advanced."

"Civilization has been aptly called a 'thin crust over a volcano.' The anointed are constantly picking at that crust."

"We seem to be moving steadily in the direction of a society where no one is responsible for what he himself did, but we are all responsible for what somebody else did, either in the present or in the past."

” For the anointed, traditions are likely to be seen as the dead hand of the past, relics of a less enlightened age, and not as the distilled experience of millions who faced similar human vicissitudes before.”

"Much of the social history of the Western world, over the past three decades, has been a history of replacing what worked with what sounded good."

"One of the consequences of such notions as ‘entitlements’ is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence."

[fj1200]

Suggest you stop trying to score argumentative points and stick to the thread's purpose !

:laugh: Irony; It's frickin' hilarious. :laugh:

“Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho

[Drummond]

:laugh: Irony; It's frickin' hilarious. :laugh:

“Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho



Yes, well - you should know ! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[fj1200]

Yes, well - you should know ! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

That follow up quote was awesome wasn't it?

[Drummond]

That follow up quote was awesome wasn't it?

Yes, well - you should know ! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[fj1200]

Yes, well - you should know ! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

:laugh: Yes I do.

[aboutime]

:laugh: Irony; It's frickin' hilarious. :laugh:

“Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho



fj....Sounds like Paulo knew you very well!

[LongTermGuy]

Found this in a Yahoo article winning lotto (comments section)...Felt it was nice...


~ "I love to buy lotto tickets. It is a big deal for me since I live in alabama and only do it every once in a while. I have to drive to

GA for the tickets. And I do it for the dream. I do not expect to win. It is like buying a movie ticket. I love to dream for a few

days about how great my life would be. I know just 300K would make my life great! So what would it be to be a

multimillionaire? That is easy. I could help everyone all the time. Anonymously of course. I could afford a small wedding on a

beach. And paying off all my debt. I could pay for my kids college. And I could take a real vacation. But really the dream is

just security. It is like a warm blanket for several days. well worth the drive. Good luck to everyone. And I hope some lucky

winner remembers where they came from. And does not end up worse for wear." ~

[revelarts]

Hate, It's caused a lot of problems in this world, but it has not solved one yet.
Maya Angelou

[revelarts]

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[revelarts]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/61/99/71/61997150b00e137cdaf0b29008660504.jpg

[Perianne]

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Thomas Sowell has sooooo many great quotes. He is a genius.

[LongTermGuy]

http://www.glocktalk.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fizquotes.com%2Fquotes-pictures%2Fquote-every-morning-in-africa-a-gazelle-wakes-up-it-knows-it-must-run-faster-than-the-fastest-lion-or-anonymous-354416.jpg&hash=8720e1c019dfe1b371f38420cf728d3f

[revelarts]

"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. In their totality and in their interactions these phenomena do constitute a common threat with demands the solidarity of all peoples. But in designating them as the enemy, we fall into the trap about which we have already warned namely mistaking systems for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself."

"The First Global Revolution", A Report by the Council of the Club of Rome by Alexander King and Bertrand Schneider 1991.

[revelarts]

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."

David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.

[revelarts]

A long one but let it sink in.


When asked about the "war on drugs" begun in the Nixon Administration...
....“You want to know what this was really all about?” he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black people, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

John Ehrlichman
counsel and Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under President Richard Nixon.
https://harpers.org/archive/2016/04/legalize-it-all/

[LongTermGuy]

~ "I have seen plenty of women use the men's room. Usually when their lines are really long or it is foul. No problems, but please ladies, sit on the seat. Don't hover and spray everywhere like a horse. We like our restrooms cleaner than most of the women, at least that's what I've heard. Anyway, if you have to go, go. Most of the men aren't in the toilet trying to find a date. If you want to look at some wieners, that's okay too." ~

[aboutime]

~ "I have seen plenty of women use the men's room. Usually when their lines are really long or it is foul. No problems, but please ladies, sit on the seat. Don't hover and spray everywhere like a horse. We like our restrooms cleaner than most of the women, at least that's what I've heard. Anyway, if you have to go, go. Most of the men aren't in the toilet trying to find a date. If you want to look at some wieners, that's okay too." ~


Thinking about this, and here's one remedy everyone should agree on.

IF YOU are going to use the bathroom of the other gender for any reason.

REMOVE ALL OF THE TOILET SEATS to BOTH bathrooms.

IF the men have to stand....so should the women. It's the EQUALITY you demand.

Then SPRAY AS MUCH AS YOU WANT...

slip and fall at your own RISK!:laugh::laugh:

[revelarts]

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[Black Diamond]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/e7/b1/18/e7b118566b66e13d4c9fef4f6a835eb3.jpg

Very true.

[revelarts]

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[revelarts]

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[revelarts]

Mika of Morning Joe asked him again about his foreign policy team and strategy and, more specifically, whom he consults with consistently. Trump replied:

"I'm speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I've said a lot of things. I know what I'm doing, and I listen to a lot of people, I talk to a lot of people, and at the appropriate time I'll tell you who the people are. But my primary consultant is myself and I have, you know, a good instinct for this stuff."

[revelarts]

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/rubicon666/450134bb380f33c86f5fd0159d586bd5_zpsdtvyyrvm.jpg

[aboutime]

Mika of Morning Joe asked him again about his foreign policy team and strategy and, more specifically, whom he consults with consistently. Trump replied:

"I'm speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I've said a lot of things. I know what I'm doing, and I listen to a lot of people, I talk to a lot of people, and at the appropriate time I'll tell you who the people are. But my primary consultant is myself and I have, you know, a good instinct for this stuff."


rev. Ya know? When you take time to actually think about it, and what you said above. TRUMP actually sounds exactly like what I think YOU would be saying here. NO JOKE, NO INSULT. Think about it...honestly.

[revelarts]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/3c/29/76/3c29760707c285ba888f985d9db6adb4.jpg

[revelarts]

Politics:
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.

Ambrose Bierce

[Abbey Marie]

http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/f4/3a/c4/f43ac440b492240043fed7edcef9c3d4.jpg


Amen to that, Rev.

[revelarts]

On 9-11, among other things, Trump had this to say.
"
...40 Wall Street actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan,
and it was actually,
before the World Trade Center, was the tallest-and then,
when they built the World Trade Center,
it became known as the second-tallest.
And now it's the tallest...
"
Donad Trump
said, referring to his 71-story building blocks away from the now-collapsed twin towers,

[revelarts]

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[revelarts]

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[revelarts]

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[revelarts]

“I personally would be advocating now for a no-fly zone and humanitarian corridors to try to stop the carnage on the ground and from the air, to try to provide some way to take stock of what’s happening, to try to stem the flow of refugees,”
Hillary Clinton
said in an interview with NBC affiliate WHDH in Boston after a campaign event nearby.



“...To have a no-fly zone you have to take out all of the air defenses, many of which are located in populated areas. So our missiles, even if they are standoff missiles so we’re not putting our pilots at risk— you’re going to kill a lot of Syrians...”
Hillary Clinton
Wikkileaks

[revelarts]

http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/fe/ce/8f/fece8ff9b77280058e8fdd859ea8b274.jpg

I used to think this was talking about how people were on the outside.

[revelarts]

A people that elect corrupt politicians, impostors, thieves and traitors
are not victims… but accomplices.
George Orwell

[revelarts]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/37/78/62/377862359e7256362e8fee39d48dda7b.jpg

[aboutime]

A people that elect corrupt politicians, impostors, thieves and traitors
are not victims… but accomplices.
George Orwell


And, had Hillary won the election. Those words would NOW apply to AMERICA & AMERICANS.

[revelarts]

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[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

A people that elect corrupt politicians, impostors, thieves and traitors
are not victims… but accomplices.
George Orwell

I am wondering why we never saw you post this little bit of wisdom 8 years ago, after the "real deal" was elected..-Tyr

[revelarts]

I am wondering why we never saw you post this little bit of wisdom 8 years ago, after the "real deal" was elected..-Tyr
I wasn't aware of it.
But seems to me it should be applied to the elections going back at least 45 years and including the present.

[Black Diamond]

I wasn't aware of it.
But seems to me it should be applied to the elections going back at least 45 years and including the present.
Obama doubled down on the patriot act and/or spying no?

[revelarts]

Obama doubled down on the patriot act and/or spying no?
continued and reaffirmed absolutely, "doubled down" no.
He did doubled down on illegal invasions/attacks in foreign countries, killing of people without due process.
He did doubled down on attacking/jailing gov't whistle blowers and racketing up gov't secrecy.

but the domestic spying itself has simply continued... with a few caveats reigning it in around the edges added since he's been in.
But do I think he probably lied about domestic spying more than Bush lied about it.
in a cumulative sense, not a substantive.

[Black Diamond]

continued and reaffirmed absolutely, "doubled down" no.
He did doubled down on illegal invasions/attacks in foreign countries, killing of people without due process.
He did doubled down on attacking/jailing gov't whistle blowers and racketing up gov't secrecy.

but the domestic spying itself has simply continued... with a few caveats reigning it in around the edges added since he's been in.
But do I think he probably lied about domestic spying more than Bush lied about it.
in a cumulative sense, not a substantive.
I took Oliver stones word for it. He was interviewed about his new movie: Snowden

[revelarts]

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[aboutime]

rev. Please explain, why only now..you are coming forward with all of this after the last eight years of your favorite Liar was in office?

Pretty choosy huh?

Oh, and one more point. Would you like to be the very first to provide HONEST PROOF that Bush ever lied to us?

So far. Nobody has ever had the proof, other than rumor, accusations, and more lies.

[revelarts]

rev. Please explain, why only now..you are coming forward with all of this after the last eight years of your favorite Liar was in office?
Pretty choosy huh?
yes you are pretty choosy. this thread goes back to like 2010, seems you choose not to check back before you started making up complaints about me ...again.



Oh, and one more point. Would you like to be the very first to provide HONEST PROOF that Bush ever lied to us?
So far. Nobody has ever had the proof, other than rumor, accusations, and more lies.

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[Gunny]

yes you are pretty choosy. this thread goes back to like 2010, seems you choose not to check back before you started making up complaints about me ...again.



https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/59/2d/c6/592dc6ea780af336611d6fb1e6753003.gif
I have a complaint, Rowdy Roddy. yeah. See that movie too.

[revelarts]

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[revelarts]

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[aboutime]

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rev. That is very true. Donald admitted where he learned that stuff. Which was when he was a Democrat/Liberal.
Now, it reads like the FIRST RULE in the DNC Manual, and Talking Points Book that teaches liberals how to LIE, CHEAT, STEAL, and convince the Uneducated how to follow like sheep.

[revelarts]

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[aboutime]

http://icansayit.com/images/crimes.jpg

[revelarts]

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-remember-we-are-all-one-country-now-dismiss-from-your-mind-all-sectional-feeling-and-robert-e-lee-77-85-49.jpg

[revelarts]

https://pre04.deviantart.net/1d0b/th/pre/i/2017/226/f/4/out_of_the_oligarchy_and_into_the_circus_by_americ andreaming-dbjmewk.jpg

[revelarts]

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-non-cooperation-with-evil-is-as-much-a-duty-as-is-cooperation-with-good-mahatma-gandhi-10-59-45.jpg

[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wPeC4CLkLU

[revelarts]

"In a 1866 letter to fellow Confederate Gen. Thomas L. Rosser, Robert E Lee wrote,

'As regards the erection of such a monument as is contemplated, my conviction is, that however grateful it would be to the feelings of the South, the attempt ... would have the effect of ... continuing, if not adding to, the difficulties under which the Southern people labour.'


Three years later, Lee was invited to a meeting of Union and Confederate officers to mark the placing of a memorial honoring those who took part in the battle of Gettysburg, he wrote in a letter declining the invitation.

"I think it wiser not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered..."

[LongTermGuy]

"No where near what Obama Paid his poor...abused boyfriends who are now suffering from "yes we can" Rectal cancer."



Author: LTG

[LongTermGuy]

" Just in....AT&T just announced $1000 bonus for 200,000 employees because of Tax Plan"

http://cowgernation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/1401x788-R1244_FEA_Trump_A_SML.jpg

[revelarts]

"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government’s purposes are beneficent.
Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers.
The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."

—Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, Olmstead v. U.S. (1928)

[revelarts]

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[revelarts]

https://i.ibb.co/1TWVnx5/CSLewis-Quite.jpg

[revelarts]

https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-the-only-way-to-test-a-hypothesis-is-to-look-for-all-the-information-that-disagrees-karl-popper-140-72-81.jpg

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government’s purposes are beneficent.
Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers.
The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."

—Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, Olmstead v. U.S. (1928)

The insidious without true nundestandig has been promoted by the ffing dem party and its socialist engineered school system for better than 4 long decades now! Fruits of which we see in charge of this nation now. And the dfar greater calamity that may yet come from that= TREASONOUS CABAL, that is so damn hellbent on further weakeniing that nation. And mark y words- that is exactly what they are doing under the thumbs of Obama, the ffing scum Soros and the gllobalist regime. All of which are dedicated to destroying this nation and our freedoms--and our CONSTITUTION.
All definite enemies of this nation and its now blinded citizenry, imho..--:saluting2:---Tyr

[revelarts]

Most aren't vaccinating against covid,
most are vaccinating against unemployment, public opinion and loss of travel.
So what is more dangerous?
The virus or the government?

anonymous

[Juicer66]

Most aren't vaccinating against covid,
most are vaccinating against unemployment, public opinion and loss of travel.
So what is more dangerous?
The virus or the government? anonymous


Try Clif High -- know anybody more clever and deeper ?

He suggests that adding all the evidence and connecting all of the dots shows that the force we have directing our planet is a virus 100%

A space bug working in our Materium dimension to obtain total control .

Of course put baldly and in isolation that can be easily written off as Freaky Woo .Except that in toto it is far more subtle , sophisticated and compelling than you might ever imagine .

Just saying . Not for Normies -- they have enough problems already .

[revelarts]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIWrhbkXMAAc3QC?format=jpg&name=small

[revelarts]

http://www.juancole.com/images/2012/04/jqa.jpg

can we get back to "isolationist" presidents please.

[revelarts]

​“Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.”
—Harry Truman

“If large numbers of people believe in freedom of speech, there will be freedom of speech, even if the law forbids it. But if public opinion is sluggish, inconvenient minorities will be persecuted, even if laws exist to protect them.”
—George Orwell, author, c. 1945


“If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all.”
—Noam Chomsky, speaking in a BBC television interview with John Pilger on The Late Show (1992)


“Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.”
—UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights

[revelarts]

"It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad."
James Madison


“Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear-kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor-with the cry of grave national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it ...”
General Douglas MacArthur 1957


"Observe good faith and justice toward all nations. Cultivate peace and harmony with all."
George Washington


"Great is the guilt of an unnecessary war."
John Adams


"The defense policy of the United States is based on a simple premise: The United States does not start fights. We will never be an aggressor."
Ronald Reagan


"We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security."
Dwight D. Eisenhower


"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing."
Dwight D. Eisenhower


"No protracted war can fail to endanger the freedom of a democratic country."
Alexis de Tocqueville


"Economically considered, war and revolution are always bad business."
Ludwig von Mises


"If we don’t stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, we’re going to have a serious problem coming down the road."
George W. Bush,
2000 before becoming president

[BoogyMan]

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."

- Ronald Reagan

[revelarts]

“I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone.”
— Alexander Acosta, United States Attorney for the Southern District of Florida

[revelarts]

Both China and India are reverting to their own currencies in pursuing trade with Russia.
The combined population total of these countries is 2.7 billion people.
Do the US and its allies realize the long term strategic consequences of this?

Tom Fowdy
North Korea and China Analysis

[revelarts]

“Man is not permitted
without censure
to follow his own thoughts in the search of truth,
when they lead him ever so little out of the common road.”-
John Locke

[fj1200]

Both China and India are reverting to their own currencies in pursuing trade with Russia.
The combined population total of these countries is 2.7 billion people.
Do the US and its allies realize the long term strategic consequences of this?

Tom Fowdy
North Korea and China Analysis



And?

Perhaps its own thread.

[revelarts]

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[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEhSk71gUCQ

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGhNZXwWUAQxcw3?format=jpg&name=small

With now my having endured three vicious blows in the last 7 weeks.....



John Paul Jones =

""His most famous quote is “I have not yet begun to fight!”, which is what he really said while standing on the deck of the Bon Homme Richard when his enemies asked him to surrender. He ended up being victorious, but unfortunately, it was at the cost of the lives of many of his men.""


I temporarily forgot my allegiance and dedication to this man- his famous quote... which has been the central core of me all of my life-- that is what an infinite depth of grief can do to any man, any man...

I wake, I see the true Light and now I remember-- darkness shall , NOT DESTROY ME...-Tyr

[jimnyc]

revelarts

This one goes way way back, but the same idea. Videos galore of this one too but I think best in text.



The Monkey Ladder

A group of scientists placed five monkeys in a cage, and in the middle, a ladder with bananas on top. Every time a monkey went up the ladder, the scientists soaked the rest of the monkeys with cold water.

After a certain amount of this, each time a monkey would to start up the ladder, the others would pull it down and beat it up; this too went on for a while, but eventually no monkey would dare try climbing the ladder, no matter how great the temptation.

The scientists then decided to replace one of the monkeys. The first thing this new monkey did, of course, was start to climb the ladder. Immediately, the others pulled him down and beat him up.

After several beatings, the new monkey learned never to go up the ladder, even though there was no evident reason not to, aside from the beatings.

The second monkey was substituted and the same occurred. The first monkey participated in the beating of the second monkey. A third monkey was changed and the same was repeated. The fourth monkey was changed, resulting in the same, before the fifth was finally replaced as well.

What was left was a group of five monkeys that — without ever having received a cold shower — continued to beat up any monkey who attempted to climb the ladder.

If it was possible to ask the monkeys why they beat up on all those who attempted to climb the ladder, their most likely answer would be “I don’t know. It’s just how things are done around here.”

[revelarts]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOD7eonVkAYCNLW?format=jpg&name=900x900

[revelarts]

When you’re okay with naked strangers dancing for children
but go apoplectic when adults pray to God—
you’re on the side of evil and we’re done pretending any different.

-more than a few people world wide.

[revelarts]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZibbQpVsAEL94E?format=jpg&name=small

[icansayit]

https://icansayit.com/pictures/krushevsocialism.jpg

Obama knows what he planned, and following MR. KRUESHEV'S words. Does anyone honestly not believe Socialism/Communism has taken over the LIBERAL/DEMOCRATS?https://icansayit.com/pictures/Musbrohoodmem.jpg

[SassyLady]

Thomas Sowell


The media are less a window on reality, than a stage on which officials and journalists perform self-scripted, self-serving fictions.

[revelarts]

“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”
- Jiddu Krishnamurti

[revelarts]

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[revelarts]

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[revelarts]

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[revelarts]

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
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“If once the people become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature, in spite of individual exceptions.”
Thomas Jefferson quote
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“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.”
Thomas Jefferson quote
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“No government ought to be without censors; and where the press is free no one ever will.”
Thomas Jefferson quote
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“It is always better to have no ideas than false ones; to believe nothing, than to believe what is wrong.”
Thomas Jefferson quote
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“Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter”
Thomas Jefferson quote
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“I have seen enough of one war never to wish to see another”
Thomas Jefferson quote
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“Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government) those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny”
Thomas Jefferson quote
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“We hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”
Thomas Jefferson quote
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“Information is the currency of democracy.”
Thomas Jefferson quote
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“Leave no authority existing not responsible to the people.”
Thomas Jefferson quote

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“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government...”
Thomas Jefferson quote

__________________
Yep

[revelarts]

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[revelarts]

Bump

[revelarts]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1UvR-raIAgVbuw?format=jpg&name=small

[icansayit]

It has haunted me, and should haunt everyone now.


https://e1.pxfuel.com/desktop-wallpaper/277/189/desktop-wallpaper-bhagavad-gita-robert-oppenheimer-atomic-bomb-nuclear-backgrounds.jpg

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

It has haunted me, and should haunt everyone now.


https://e1.pxfuel.com/desktop-wallpaper/277/189/desktop-wallpaper-bhagavad-gita-robert-oppenheimer-atomic-bomb-nuclear-backgrounds.jpg

My friend, I have lived with that threat all of my life. The top three USA, Russia and China started out the main culprits, now we have lesser powers that have atomic weapons. The two to worry about the most are China and Iran, especially so with Iran, imho. But Israel is watching Iran.
Iran is ran by crazy religious zealots. =--Tyr

[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDB_2XnRXg4


"You know how I stopped being faced by protesters at universities when i went to talked there?
I hold my talks at 8 oclock in the morning....."
Jordan Peterson

[revelarts]

https://www.azquotes.com/public/picture_quotes/8a/8f/8a8f7b317c3d923a2099ed3b26da341d/roger-williams-1517936.jpg

[revelarts]

There is a moral virtue,
a moral fidelity,
ability and honesty,
which other men, besides church members,
are, by good nature and education,
by good laws and good examples nourished and trained up in;
so that civil places and trust and credit need not be monopolized into the hands of church members
(who sometimes are not fitted for public office),
while all others are deprived and despoiled of their natural and civil rights and liberties.

Roger Williams (https://www.azquotes.com/author/28074-Roger_Williams)

[revelarts]

Civil government is an ordinance of God,
to conserve the civil peace of a people, so far as concerns their bodies and goods. (https://www.azquotes.com/quote/1517924)
Roger Williams (https://www.azquotes.com/author/28074-Roger_Williams)

[Kathianne]

I don't doubt for a moment that Williams would agree with you. Then again as a Catholic, I'm really glad a Puritan isn't running the show.

I deplore many so called Christians, especially those who are absolute in who is saved and who condemned.

Not one of my Jesus friends.

[revelarts]

I don't doubt for a moment that Williams would agree with you. Then again as a Catholic, I'm really glad a Puritan isn't running the show.

I deplore many so called Christians, especially those who are absolute in who is saved and who condemned.

Not one of my Jesus friends.

Aren't there Catholics that say if you aren't in the Roman Catholic Church you're not going to heaven?
Maybe not the pope. seems he thinks everybody is A-OK. But some conservative Catholics? Do you deplore them too?

And didn't the Puritans have to run to America from the Catholics? To be able get and give the religious freedom to believe what they wanted, even if it's misused and hurts people's feelings deeply?

Hurt feelings is real and should not be the point, but it's one level of pain.
But prison, exile, and the rack for not believing exactly like 'the Church' are another level.
just sayin.
Historically speaking... there's a reason why there are were so many Puritains at the founding of the US.

[Kathianne]

Aren't there Catholics that say if you aren't in the Roman Catholic Church you're not going to heaven?
Maybe not the pope. seems he thinks everybody is A-OK. But some conservative Catholics? Do you deplore them too? Yes.


And didn't the Puritans have to run to America from the Catholics? To be able get and give the religious freedom to believe what they wanted, even if it's misused and hurts people's feelings deeply? I believe they were running from the Dutch and their own rebellious children.


Hurt feelings is real and should not be the point, but it's one level of pain.
But prison, exile, and the rack for not believing exactly like 'the Church' are another level.
just sayin.
Historically speaking... there's a reason why there are were so many Puritains at the founding of the US. Yes, but not the same people, education wise or outlook wise as Founders. For those who wish to go for Puritans, I suppose the Amish are about as close as you'll get, but I don't think they are recruiting?

[icansayit]

No matter what your beliefs. Nor how you view any other human being.

FAITH...is the belief in the Unseen.
As our 1st Amendment declared: "We all have the Freedom of Religion. Nobody can change, or take that away."

To be honest with everyone here. It is NONE of anyone else's Business! Short and To The Point.

[revelarts]

"English migration to Massachusetts consisted of a few hundred pilgrims who went to Plymouth Colony in the 1620s and between 13,000 and 21,000 emigrants who went to the Massachusetts Bay Colony between 1630 and 1642." fleeing for $$ and from the Church of England thought to cozy with the Catholics.



Yes, but not the same people, education wise or outlook wise as Founders. For those who wish to go for Puritans, I suppose the Amish are about as close as you'll get, but I don't think they are recruiting?


not sure what your saying exactly but
I know some protestants have caused you pain but please lets not erase history.


William Penn Puritan Founder of Pennsylvania
Roger Williams Puritan Founder of Rhode Island
Thomas Hooker Puritan Minister and Founder of the Connecticut Colony
Roger Sherman Puritan of Connecticut remembered as the architect of the Connecticut Compromise, which prevented a stalemate between states during the creation of the United States Constitution.
the only person to sign all four of the important American Revolutionary documents: the Articles of Association in 1774, the Declaration of Independence in 1776, the Articles of Confederation in 1781, and the Constitution of the United States in 1787
here are a few book titles
- John Winthrop: America's Forgotten Founding Father - Puritan
-The Puritan Ideology of Mobility: Corporatism, the Politics of Place and the Founding of New England Towns before 1650
-The Beginnings of New England Or the Puritan Theocracy in its Relations to Civil and Religious Liberty
- First Founders: American Puritans and Puritanism in an Atlantic World


As i showed in just a few of his quotes the concept of separation of church and state was CLEARLY outlined by Roger Williams and Rhode Island that he founded. It was the MODEL for the concept we now take for granted... and abuse.
Before Jefferson, before Pain, before Madison they all looked to him, that oppressive Puritan?



Let's keep it real, let's not do the liberals job for them. They want to erase the puritans and religion from American history and contemporary life . even in looking these items up the search engine put up that dismiss or downplay or demonize the Puritans role in the nations founding

[revelarts]

No matter what your beliefs. Nor how you view any other human being.

FAITH...is the belief in the Unseen.
As our 1st Amendment declared: "We all have the Freedom of Religion. Nobody can change, or take that away."

To be honest with everyone here. It is NONE of anyone else's Business! Short and To The Point.

the 1st amendment that was taking it's CUE from what Roger Williams the puritan did in Rhode Island nearly 100 years earlier.
the only reason it's there is because of a religious persons conviction and understanding of God's POV from the Bible itself.

that Belief in that UNSEEN RIGHT comes from a belief in the UNSEEN God.

why are conservative people upset with me saying this?

[Kathianne]

"English migration to Massachusetts consisted of a few hundred pilgrims who went to Plymouth Colony in the 1620s and between 13,000 and 21,000 emigrants who went to the Massachusetts Bay Colony between 1630 and 1642." fleeing for $$ and from the Church of England thought to cozy with the Catholics.





not sure what your saying exactly but
I know some protestants have caused you pain but please lets not erase history.


William Penn Puritan Founder of Pennsylvania
Roger Williams Puritan Founder of Rhode Island
Thomas Hooker Puritan Minister and Founder of the Connecticut Colony
Roger Sherman Puritan of Connecticut remembered as the architect of the Connecticut Compromise, which prevented a stalemate between states during the creation of the United States Constitution.
the only person to sign all four of the important American Revolutionary documents: the Articles of Association in 1774, the Declaration of Independence in 1776, the Articles of Confederation in 1781, and the Constitution of the United States in 1787
here are a few book titles
- John Winthrop: America's Forgotten Founding Father - Puritan
-The Puritan Ideology of Mobility: Corporatism, the Politics of Place and the Founding of New England Towns before 1650
-The Beginnings of New England Or the Puritan Theocracy in its Relations to Civil and Religious Liberty
- First Founders: American Puritans and Puritanism in an Atlantic World


As i showed in just a few of his quotes the concept of separation of church and state was CLEARLY outlined by Roger Williams and Rhode Island that he founded. It was the MODEL for the concept we now take for granted... and abuse.
Before Jefferson, before Pain, before Madison they all looked to him, that oppressive Puritan?



Let's keep it real, let's not do the liberals job for them. They want to erase the puritans and religion from American history and contemporary life . even in looking these items up the search engine put up that dismiss or downplay or demonize the Puritans role in the nations founding

I've no desire to erase history, neither Puritans nor Pilgrims. I also do not use them as my heroes, as their intolerance was every bit as strong as the Church of England, that the Puritans were trying to 'reform' and the Pilgrims had lost hope in. Either way, they were Protestants that hated the Catholics and would gladly have murdered them if given half a chance.

[revelarts]

I've no desire to erase history, neither Puritans nor Pilgrims. I also do not use them as my heroes, as their intolerance was every bit as strong as the Church of England, that the Puritans were trying to 'reform' and the Pilgrims had lost hope in. Either way, they were Protestants that hated the Catholics and would gladly have murdered them if given half a chance.

Ok, i think i hear you.

[revelarts]

Moving on
I'm just adding my earlier point about the Christain roots of the RIGHT of religious freedom.


https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-wee-do-freely-profess-that-our-lord-the-king-hath-no-more-power-over-their-roman-catholics-thomas-helwys-113-12-68.jpg


"Thomas Helwys, (born c. 1550—died c. 1616), English Puritan leader, member of a Separatist group that emigrated to Amsterdam (1608), where he helped organize the first Baptist church. Returning to England (1611/12) to witness to his belief in adult Baptism and greater individual moral responsibility (against extreme Calvinist predestination), Helwys established the first General Baptist congregation in London. He was imprisoned for advocating universal religious tolerance and the independence of the church from state control."
Britanica

Christians working against the state and other christians to establish the RIGHT of religious freedom for everyone.
in the late 1500s and early 1600s
The 1st permanent settlement in the U.S. was Jamestown that didn't start until 1607.
the road to the right of religious freedom from the state came from Religious Christians.


https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-the-foundation-of-authority-is-based-upon-the-consent-of-the-people-thomas-hooker-75-49-27.jpg

"Thomas Hooker, (born probably July 7, 1586, Markfield, Leicestershire, England—died July 7, 1647, Hartford, Connecticut [U.S.]),
prominent British American colonial clergyman known as “the father of Connecticut.” Seeking independence from other Puritan sects in Massachusetts, Thomas Hooker and his followers established one of the first major colonies in Hartford, Connecticut. A staunch supporter of universal Christian suffrage (voting rights independent of church membership), Hooker was a renowned theologian and orator who greatly shaped the early development of colonial New England."

Early 1600s America... a Puritan is making these points. And he's not the only one.
the concept of the power of the state coming from the people. And the rights of citizenship NOT being linked legally to any specific religious membership.
Secularist & Deist like Jefferson & Paine are not even out of diapers or alive yet.


The point is a lot of the roots of the ideals & rights we take for granted came from extremely religious people... with religious reasons.
I think most would agree that , at the least, to better understand the ideals we want to preserve and renew we should understand where and why they came to be.
Even if we don't want to LEAD with it in public because so many of our tolerant fellow citizens are... um... less than open to Christianity these days.

[revelarts]

Truth never lost ground by enquiry.

....

No people can be truly happy... if abridged of the freedom of their conscience

....

Love is the hardest lesson in Christianity; but, for that reason, it should be most our care to learn it.



William Penn

[Kathianne]

I like some of those later posts, especially when you, yourself make the point that fj and Gunny and I were making all along. One can be very religious and tolerant enough not to invoke God as the reason for laws, nor a reason to follow those laws. It also does not deny God, nor His existence.

God is much stronger than Trump and such, doesn't need the acolytes to make Him real.

[icansayit]

the 1st amendment that was taking it's CUE from what Roger Williams the puritan did in Rhode Island nearly 100 years earlier.
the only reason it's there is because of a religious persons conviction and understanding of God's POV from the Bible itself.

that Belief in that UNSEEN RIGHT comes from a belief in the UNSEEN God.

why are conservative people upset with me saying this?


What does MY being conservative have to do with anything? Did I sound upset?

That's why I insist..."IT'S NOBODY ELSE'S BUSINESS WHAT I BELIEVE OR HAVE FAITH IN!"

Many of us were taught, at a young age. Avoid talking about Religion and Politics. So...what do we do here?

[revelarts]

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers . . . we are ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

[revelarts]

To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he's doing is good, or else that it's a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

just reminds me of
When some claimed 'we HAVE TO demand vaccination'. they thought they were doing good.
When some claimed 'we HAVE TO torture'. they thought they were doing good. (or claimed "it's not torture")


ok here's one place where I'd dare to differ a bit from Solzhenitsyn.
I'd say the above is true unless they are psychopaths.
OR they've been gradually acclimated to do evil regularly over time (boiling frog style) like many of the NAZI soldiers were.
(though he probably says the same somewhere i just don't know about it)

[AHZ]

Both excellent quotes from one of mankind's true treasures. Alexsander Salty Nixon.

[AHZ]

To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he's doing is good, or else that it's a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn


ok here's one place where I'd dare to differ a bit from Solzhenitsyn.
I'd say the above is true unless they are psychopaths.
OR they've been gradually acclimated to do evil regularly over time (boiling frog style) like many of the NAZI soldiers were.

(though he probably says the same somewhere i just don't know about it)

that gradual acclimation to evil goes to the first part of the quote, where a man comes to be believe what's he's doing is good.

the mass murderer eugenicists of today have convinced people that making sure people die "allows evolution to occur" or some such darwinian / malthusian / luciferian nonsense.

or as some would say it "weeds out the losers".

"culling the herd" is another mass murderer phrase, when you use it about people.

this is naziism.

[revelarts]

that gradual acclimation to evil goes to the first part of the quote, where a man comes to be believe what's he's doing is good.

the mass murderer eugenicists of today have convinced people that making sure people die "allows evolution to occur" or some such darwinian / malthusian / luciferian nonsense.

or as some would say it "weeds out the losers".

"culling the herd" is another mass murderer phrase, when you use it about people.

this is naziism.


I agree with a lot of that.

Here's the thing to connect here.
It goes to the point about "do unto others" golden rule as THE basis for morality unattached to the rest of the moral laws and the Biblical understanding of who human being are.


If the darwinist is correct then "getting rid of weeds" makes sense. It's for the benefit of the others, the rest of the species.
It's the general basis for Hitler's POV.
He wasn't killing people in the camps, he was killing "vermin, subspecies, febble minded" that held back the health and welfare of the Pure German Volksgemeinschaft.

What he did was ..."for the greater good".


If he believed his statements ,what was theproblem with his assertions.

Well 1st of all it Seems he misunderstood who fell into the the category of Human Beings.
Why? Because he believed the current "Science" and pagan myths about Ayrians.

Jesus dealt with this misunderstanding of WHO is a human being/other on many occasions, 1 in the parable of the good Samaritain.
He rejected the prejudice of the the day. including all in the human family no matter what race, sick or well, rich or poor.

and Genesis makes clear that we are all FAMILY every human is "made in the image of God".
It's 1 of reasons given why we do not kill. It's an attack on God by poxy.
And the opposite of what we are supposed to do, which is to Love each other.

The Darwinist, Malthusians, NAZIS, & communist nuts misunderstand who man is. (intentionally or unintentionally)
and the value of EACH human being.

[AHZ]

I agree with a lot of that.

Here's the thing to connect here.
It goes to the point about "do unto others" golden rule as THE basis for morality unattached to the rest of the moral laws and the Biblical understanding of who human being are.


If the darwinist is correct then "getting rid of weeds" makes sense. It's for the benefit of the others, the rest of the species.
It's the general basis for Hitler's POV.
He wasn't killing people in the camps, he was killing "vermin, subspecies, febble minded" that held back the health and welfare of the Pure German Volksgemeinschaft.

What he did was ..."for the greater good".


If he believed his statements ,what was theproblem with his assertions.

Well 1st of all it Seems he misunderstood who fell into the the category of Human Beings.
Why? Because he believed the current "Science" and pagan myths about Ayrians.

Jesus dealt with this misunderstanding of WHO is a human being/other on many occasions, 1 in the parable of the good Samaritain.
He rejected the prejudice of the the day. including all in the human family no matter what race, sick or well, rich or poor.

and Genesis makes clear that we are all FAMILY every human is "made in the image of God".
It's 1 of reasons given why we do not kill. It's an attack on God by poxy.
And the opposite of what we are supposed to do, which is to Love each other.

The Darwinist, Malthusians, NAZIS, & communist nuts misunderstand who man is. (intentionally or unintentionally)
and the value of EACH human being.


the darwinist theory is a 'might makes right' luciferianism and a dehumanization of humans.

even if we did evolve from apes, it's wrong to be an asshole.

[Kathianne]

the darwinist theory is a 'might makes right' luciferianism and a dehumanization of humans.

even if we did evolve from apes, it's wrong to be an asshole.
Then just stop being one.

[revelarts]

the darwinist theory is a 'might makes right' luciferianism and a dehumanization of humans.
even if we did evolve from apes, it's wrong to be an asshole.

why? Might makes right.
There are NO goals, or overarching moral law giver. just a bunch of other "evolved" monkeys.
Survival is just a raw instinct. And it isn't even universal at all times. People and animals, even whole colonies of animals, commit suicide from time to time. Or simply do stupid things to get killed. Animals of all kind abandon their young. some of the strongest in a some groups sacrifice themselves with NO guarantee of future survival of the young or the group. The vast number of mast extinctions shows that survival is not really that powerful or accurate a driver. Life ... if just matter and time... is very tenuous and not going to last long in the imagined billions of years scheme of things.

[icansayit]

We are All SINNERS. Nothing anyone says, thinks, does, or pretends to be can change that.

"Let he who is without sin. Cast the first stone". Comes to mind.

Any takers?

[Kathianne]

We are All SINNERS. Nothing anyone says, thinks, does, or pretends to be can change that.

"Let he who is without sin. Cast the first stone". Comes to mind.

Any takers?

I totally do, it's easy to lose one's temper and go off. Then again:

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[hjmick]

"If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole."



I get the impression that there is a member on this sight who "runs into assholes all day..."

[Black Diamond]

"If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole."



I get the impression that there is a member on this sight who "runs into assholes all day..."

Interesting.

And agreed re the poster

[hjmick]

Interesting.

And agreed re the poster


The quote is from the character Raylan Givens in Justified.


It's a quote that I have reflected on more than once...

[revelarts]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6bolbxXoAAWTSL?format=jpg&name=small

[AHZ]

I agree with a lot of that.

Here's the thing to connect here.
It goes to the point about "do unto others" golden rule as THE basis for morality unattached to the rest of the moral laws and the Biblical understanding of who human being are.


If the darwinist is correct then "getting rid of weeds" makes sense. It's for the benefit of the others, the rest of the species.
It's the general basis for Hitler's POV.
He wasn't killing people in the camps, he was killing "vermin, subspecies, febble minded" that held back the health and welfare of the Pure German Volksgemeinschaft.

What he did was ..."for the greater good".


If he believed his statements ,what was theproblem with his assertions.

Well 1st of all it Seems he misunderstood who fell into the the category of Human Beings.
Why? Because he believed the current "Science" and pagan myths about Ayrians.

Jesus dealt with this misunderstanding of WHO is a human being/other on many occasions, 1 in the parable of the good Samaritain.
He rejected the prejudice of the the day. including all in the human family no matter what race, sick or well, rich or poor.

and Genesis makes clear that we are all FAMILY every human is "made in the image of God".
It's 1 of reasons given why we do not kill. It's an attack on God by poxy.
And the opposite of what we are supposed to do, which is to Love each other.

The Darwinist, Malthusians, NAZIS, & communist nuts misunderstand who man is. (intentionally or unintentionally)
and the value of EACH human being.

morality is actually rational.

those who seek to keep using human on human predation as their way of life hate morality, and so invented atheism and darwinism, to justify themselves "allowing evolution to occur" with their evil.


bad people blowing smoke up their own asses hate morality, and by extension, the golden rule, the best example of morality.

[Kathianne]

morality is actually rational.

those who seek to keep using human on human predation as their way of life hate morality, and so invented atheism and darwinism, to justify themselves "allowing evolution to occur" with their evil.


bad people blowing smoke up their own asses hate morality, and by extension, the golden rule, the best example of morality.

Read what you wrote and gnash your teeth and weep. Try removing that log from your eye.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers . . . we are ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn






Applies very well to what our government is doing right now. (When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers)... Truth...Tyr

[AHZ]

Read what you wrote and gnash your teeth and weep. Try removing that log from your eye.


could i have a criticism a little more constructive?

[AHZ]

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers . . . we are ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn







yeah.

and i can't believe this people being 'open minded' about musk's neurallink and AI in general.

that shit will kill us all.

lex fridman
joe rogan
tim pool
all shills for neurallink and ai.

AI, a turnkey solution for complete global hegemony and population control.

http://www.prisonplanet.com

[revelarts]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F60v2WAWsAEhUeP?format=jpg&name=small

[AHZ]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F60v2WAWsAEhUeP?format=jpg&name=small



yes.

and times like these show what people really believe.

The devil's morality has insinuated itself into all the cracks and crevices of the mind and society.

"might makes right" is the devil's ideology, but it also a child's view. A 'terrible twos' demiurge of egoic fugue energy.

real god says morality matters.

[revelarts]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4I4BodXAAMYhAr?format=webp&name=small

[revelarts]

https://sd.keepcalms.com/i-w600/it-is-only-when-a-mosquito-lands-on-your-testicles-do-you-realize-that-violence-is-not-the-solution-to-all-problems.jpg

[fj1200]

Per usual internet memes are simplistic. The mosquito will die so it's all violence to the mosquito.

[revelarts]

Per usual internet memes are simplistic. The mosquito will die so it's all violence to the mosquito.
well actually, among other non-violent solutions
One could use a fan to blow the mosquito away.

[fj1200]

All mosquitos must die. Even if I'm not caught outside without pants. :eek:

[revelarts]

Globalist:

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."

David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.


"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. In their totality and in their interactions these phenomena do constitute a common threat with demands the solidarity of all peoples. But in designating them as the enemy, we fall into the trap about which we have already warned namely mistaking systems for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself."

"The First Global Revolution", A Report by the Council of the Club of Rome by Alexander King and Bertrand Schneider 1991.

[revelarts]

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on."
Winston Churchill

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened."
Winston Churchill

"When people who are honestly mistaken learn the truth, they will either cease being mistaken, or cease being honest!"
Anonymous


An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi

[revelarts]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCedOQJ0ZEA




The nine most terrifying words in the English language are "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."


Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem. ... Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it. ... The problem is not that people are taxed too little, the problem is that government spends too much.


Too often character assassination has replaced debate in principle here in Washington. Destroy someone's reputation, and you don't have to talk about what he stands for.


Either you will control your government, or government will control you.


We must never remain silent in the face of bigotry. We must condemn those who seek to divide us.
In all quarters and at all times, we must teach tolerance and denounce racism, anti-Semitism and all ethnic or religious bigotry wherever they exist as unacceptable evils.
We have no place for haters in America -- none, whatsoever.


Almost all the worlds' constitutions are documents in which governments tell the people what their privileges are. Our Constitution is a document in which We the People tell the government what it is allowed to do. We the People are free.


One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine.


If some among you fear taking a stand because you are afraid of reprisals from customers, clients, or even government, recognize that you are just feeding the crocodile hoping he'll eat you last.



If more government is the answer, then it was a really stupid question.


Ronald Wilson Reagan

[revelarts]

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[revelarts]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-NSGLcXwAA1lDD?format=jpg&name=small

[revelarts]

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/f5/e1/0f/f5e10fda64ddccf4fdb45a57fbb93dd2.jpg

[revelarts]

First, it is providing a means whereby key individuals on its payroll are able to obtain both power and wealth through granting special favors to certain politically influential groups that are subject to its regulation. This activity is similar to the 'protection racket' of organized crime: for a price, one can induce FDA administrators to provide 'protection' from the FDA itself.

Secondly, as a result of this political favoritism, the FDA has become a primary factor in that formula whereby cartel-oriented companies in the food and drug industry are able to use the police powers of government to harass or destroy their free-market competitors.



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[revelarts]

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[revelarts]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F59ME79WYAAztAX?format=jpg&name=small