Should the N word be banned?

[jimnyc]

This word was recently used in the title of a thread to describe the black guy in the posted video within the thread. Since very rarely, if ever posted here, a few are both insulted by the mere fact that it was posted - and the misdirected belief that the board supports or encourages any type of racism. People post negative things about Italians, Muslims, Liberals, Conservatives, Indians, Asians.... but the N word pops up just once!

Anyway, if the community would choose to censor the word, in the future it would come up as ******

Keep in mind, and this is just my personal take, and my one vote carries no more weight than any other - will this open a door to further votes on censorship down the road?

[Little-Acorn]

My vote:

No.

The word "nigger" should not be banned.

People using the word in an offensive way on this board, should be warned and/or suspended for a week or two.

To quote a recent poster, if they don't like it, they can kiss........

[darin]

No way. Never.

[crin63]

Isn't it term of endearment? :eek:

Personally I don't like the word or use the word but we are about free-speech here for the most part. If it were constantly being posted in thread titles I might have a different view but once in a while, no harm, no foul.

[HogTrash]

Should the rules of Political Correctness be the operating standard for Debate Policy?

* Yes?

* No?

I will refrain from participating in the poll since I may be the catalyst.

:popcorn:

[SassyLady]

No.
It just another word on a long list of offensive words.
Where would you stop?

[Luna Tick]

It's an offensive word and I despise people who put down black people like that, but I also believe in free speech. Don't ban it.

[Missileman]

You have to consider the source. The one trick pony is now the 1.01 trick pony. It's just more evidence of his inability to participate in an intelligent discussion. Unfortunately, you can't legislate against stupid or offensive.

[PostmodernProphet]

I guess if the result is "no" we'll have the answer as to whether this is a racist board.....


It's an offensive word and I despise people who put down black people like that, but I also believe in free speech. Don't ban it.

other words are banned....


No.
It just another word on a long list of offensive words.
Where would you stop?

apparently, somewhere after the "c" word.....

[HogTrash]

Isn't it odd that the "N" word is so politicly incorrect that it totally eclipsed the entire messege of the thread I posted it in.

Not one person was able to focus on the point of the OP while people are in an uproar all over the board with follow-up threads and some threatening to leave.

The power of PC never fails to amaze me...I am very thankful to be free of the baggage that weighs you down and censors your thoughts as well as your speech.

I knew a lady who had a cat that was raised from a kitten in her house and had never even once known the freedom of the wide open spaces just outside the door.

I told her I thought this was cruel and she smiled at me and replied, "the cat is perfectly content because it doesn't miss what it has never known".

[KarlMarx]

I wonder which word will be the next after nigger? faggot?

Perhaps some people ought to learn to use the "ignore" list if they don't like what someone is saying... I use it and I'm certain that someone has placed me on theirs...

[Little-Acorn]

Isn't it odd that the "N" word is so politicly incorrect that it totally eclipsed the entire messege of the thread I posted it in.
[/I]

Get your head out of your ass, HT. You came up with a well-cleansed definition of "nigger" in hopes that everyone else would accept it. But everyone else knows what it really means: A black person who is inferior or even subhuman, simply because he is black. Not because of anything he did.

I told you that then, and you ignored it and tried to stick by your new, made-up definition. You want a new meaning? Make up a new word. Don't use one that means something so vile, and think you can automatically change everyone's knowledge of what it means.

Using "nigger" offensively, even to someone who acted as vilely as that guy did, says that there are black people who are subhuman, even though they did nothing. Quit acting like a brain-dead dumbshit and pretending people think it means anything else.

[Mr. P]

I think banning a word or words on this board would be akin to banning a book or books in the library.

It's despicable for one to use words in an attempt to incite or personally harm folks. But we've all done it at sometime in life. No excuse but most of us mature.

So the answer is, DON'T BUY the author or the book if ya don't like the story. That, IMO, should be the focus.

On the other hand..I agree with PMP..the web crawlers will tag words and attract slime. It's as I told my daughter...if ya dress "that" way yer gonna get a reputation you don't want.

[revelarts]

I think banning a word or words on this board would be akin to banning a book or books in the library.

It's despicable for one to use words in an attempt to incite or personally harm folks. But we've all done it at sometime in life. No excuse but most of us mature.

So the answer is, DON'T BUY the author or the book if ya don't like the story. That, IMO, should be the focus.

On the other hand..I agree with PMP..the web crawlers will tag words and attract slime. It's as I told my daughter...if ya dress "that" way yer gonna get a reputation you don't want.

I'd have to agree with this.
I don't like a lot of words, "N" being in my top 5 of Bad words. But I can't really bring myself to say ban it. Make no mistake part of me really wants to. But this is a debate site , so I guess it's the price you pay for freedom and all that etc.. Sadly sometime people use crappy language in attempts to make, so called, intelligent points or to be funny or from frustration.
But crappy language does stink up the place and attract flys and vermin. (to add to the slut analogy).

[revelarts]

And you know... I've found that I can piss people off quite effectively without using any foul language . i think most of the people here probably have that same ability from time to time.:D

[Binky]

The problem with banning something such as the use of a word, is that it escalates into something worse as time goes on. Free speech means freedom to speak as we each see fit.

It doesn't mean we have to like the speech that is being spoken. Only that we have the right to speak it.

So no, do not ban the word. Or any words. Much like my pastor, in my youth, who went to our Board of Education to get the book, The Good Earth, by Pearl S. Buck, banned from the shelves, it just creates the urge to read it that much more. And then, when I had the chance to watch the movie starring Henry Fonda, I couldn't understand what all the to do was about. And I resented him for trying to control what we should read or not read........

[HogTrash]

The problem with banning something such as the use of a word, is that it escalates into something worse as time goes on. Free speech means freedom to speak as we each see fit.

It doesn't mean we have to like the speech that is being spoken. Only that we have the right to speak it.

So no, do not ban the word. Or any words. Much like my pastor, in my youth, who went to our Board of Education to get the book, The Good Earth, by Pearl S. Buck, banned from the shelves, it just creates the urge to read it that much more. And then, when I had the chance to watch the movie starring Henry Fonda, I couldn't understand what all the to do was about. And I resented him for trying to control what we should read or not read........I agree Binky...and one book doesn't make a very good fire.

[Binky]

Well, considering it was about a family of immigrants (not sure as to what ethenticy they were), it was set in the early 1900's I believe or maybe even during the depression. Can't remember. Anyway, they traveled mostly throughout CA looking for work. They were pickers. When they heard of crops that needed picking they would travel to where the job prospect was. There were big operations that supplied shanty's/small cabins for their pickers to stay in while harvesting the crops. There were always the poor people that picked and usually families of four or more stayed in that tiny cabin.

Anyway, I just never figured out why he wanted that book banned.

[KarlMarx]

The Grapes of Wrath was like about how wonderful Socialism was, wasn't it? I saw the movie... the Jodds are really poor but then they find a work camp set up by Roosevelt's New Deal (which was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court... where are they now when you really need 'em?)....

Seems to me that book said "Capitalism bad, Socialism Good".... not that I promote banning it, but it's not the kind of message I want my kids to be taking home with them.

[Binky]

The Grapes of Wrath was like about how wonderful Socialism was, wasn't it? I saw the movie... the Jodds are really poor but then they find a work camp set up by Roosevelt's New Deal (which was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court... where are they now when you really need 'em?)....

Seems to me that book said "Capitalism bad, Socialism Good".... not that I promote banning it, but it's not the kind of message I want my kids to be taking home with them.


Yeah, maybe that's the title. Anyway, I never understood his reasoning for getting it banned. Could be that was why....

[KarlMarx]

Yeah, maybe that's the title. Anyway, I never understood his reasoning for getting it banned. Could be that was why....
The Left seems to get up in arms when someone bans a book, claiming that they cherish the free exchange of ideas and that they abhor censorship....

what a crock.

The Left hates the free exchange of (opposing) ideas and love censorship.

[Sweetchuck]

Nigger

There, I said it.

...wait, I'll say it again.

Nigger

Ooooohhh....

Here's the problem I have with political correctness, racism, etc. Too much emphasis is put into the words and not into the meaning. When Chris Rock says 'nigger', nobody gives a shit, but when a white politician says it, all hell breaks loose.

Here's the best part - Chris Rock is using the word in it's worst derogatory sense and the white guy is simply using the word, but the white guy gets condemned.

No, the word should not be banned. What needs to be banned is the double standard and until that double standard is eliminated, racism in its true form will never go away.

[PostmodernProphet]

I'm reminded of a three year old, sitting in the corner giggling as he says "peepee".....

[Sweetchuck]

I wonder which word will be the next after nigger? faggot?

Perhaps some people ought to learn to use the "ignore" list if they don't like what someone is saying... I use it and I'm certain that someone has placed me on theirs...

First they came for "damn", and I said nothing.

Then they came for "fuck", and I said nothing...

[DragonStryk72]

First they came for "damn", and I said nothing.

Then they came for "fuck", and I said nothing...

But they gave us back "shit".

[HogTrash]

Only one other word in the english language has ever been so feared and tabboo as the "N" word, that it was reduced to it's first letter when spoken in public, and that is the "F" word.

Although the "F" word has now become accepted for the most part in modern society, the "N" word is still only spoken in whispers after checking over our shoulders to first see who else is present.

Only those to whom the "N" word actually applies are permitted to courageously use it openly to flaunt their unique ability to speak freely where others may not...To these ignorant niggas, the word has power.

[Jeff]

It's an offensive word and I despise people who put down black people like that, but I also believe in free speech. Don't ban it.

I wonder if ya despise two black guys calling each other Nigger, if ya look up the word nigger in the Webster dictionary it says a dirty filthy PERSON, commonly used as slang to describe blacks, but if you look further it is used to describe more than just blacks. I do agree that it is used mostly to offend blacks but if we ban this word do we ban Cracker ? Peckerwood ?

Furthermore in my eyes the word is used like most cuss words when ya can't think of anything better to say, in other words it is used in ignorance when used as a racial slur and a intelligent black person would know this and wouldn't let it bother them.

No to the Ban

[gabosaurus]

No to the Ban

I was wondering when you were going to come out of your hole and subscribe to the racist mantra. I often wonder if Hog Trash is one of your missing brothers.

[actsnoblemartin]

does that mean that black people who call each other nigga are racist? :dunno:


I was wondering when you were going to come out of your hole and subscribe to the racist mantra. I often wonder if Hog Trash is one of your missing brothers.

[jimnyc]

I was wondering when you were going to come out of your hole and subscribe to the racist mantra. I often wonder if Hog Trash is one of your missing brothers.

Can you please tell me, without running from this thread, without ignoring my post, and without rhetoric - why is someone a racist if they choose less censorship? Are we, citizens of the USA, free to use the word in our daily lives? Does this mean that America is a majority racist? Should we also make a law to ban the word here in the US?

[Jeff]

I was wondering when you were going to come out of your hole and subscribe to the racist mantra. I often wonder if Hog Trash is one of your missing brothers.

I guess reading a dictionary is to hard for a school lunch room attendant , for that matter I guess reading my post was to hard for you, as I said it is used in ignorance when it being used as a racial slur, but your mind is not quite sharp enough to understand, but understand this, I do consider you and those like you to be a NIGGER, yes you are a young white girl but if you could actually read the definition of the word you fit it exactly, when I gave my OPINION I new I could count on you attacking during your break between breakfast and lunch at the school

See Gabs you are a nigger for many reasons but the one that comes to mind above all is the night I went to bat for you against another poster, a poster might I add that has actually served his country and has more common sense in his pinky than you have in your empty little head and I never got so much as a thank you from you, so see Gabs send your shitty little attacks towards me thats fine, but dam one has to wonder if the hatred you have for me cause I have different beliefs than you couldn't might not be the same type of hatred a racist has for another race, again Gabs you have shown why you are you :eek:

[gabosaurus]

If you had a clue, you would know that school is out for the summer.
I also feel that it is reprehensible that you would come to the defense of a word that is never acceptable in modern society. If you lived and worked in multi cultural environment, perhaps you would realize that.
So my attacks are not on you personally, but your defense of racial stereotypes. The fact that some words and actions were acceptable 50 years ago does not mean they are acceptable now.


Can you please tell me, without running from this thread, without ignoring my post, and without rhetoric - why is someone a racist if they choose less censorship? Are we, citizens of the USA, free to use the word in our daily lives? Does this mean that America is a majority racist? Should we also make a law to ban the word here in the US?

Perhaps it is common decency and respect. Or perhaps a sense of broadening equality. My question to you is -- why are some words deemed acceptable and others are not? Is that not more censorship?
If you go back a few decades, demeaning sexual comments and actions against women were deemed acceptable. Just as demeaning language against minorities were acceptable. In the minds of some neanderthal rednecks, it should still be acceptable. This is the dreaded "PC" that Hogtrash (and others) rail against.
Attitudes change over time. Choosing not to change your behavior and language might help you avoid "being PC," but it can also demean your stature. It can cost you friends, a job or a marriage.
Since this is a free society, you always have a choice. You can continue to chin up at the trough, exercising your right to use racial, ethnic and gender slurs and comments. Or you can choose to exercise decency and respect for others.

[Jeff]

[QUOTE=gabosaurus;432200]If you had a clue, you would know that school is out for the summer.
I also feel that it is reprehensible that you would come to the defense of a word that is never acceptable in modern society. If you lived and worked in multi cultural environment, perhaps you would realize that.
So my attacks are not on you personally, but your defense of racial stereotypes. The fact that some words and actions were acceptable 50 years ago does not mean they are acceptable now.



I would of thought a Counselor for at-risk teens would work year around but I guess my thoughts of you being a lunch room attendant just become a little more real :laugh2:

NEVER Hmmm I guess when I hear one black guy calling another a nigger it must be my imagination :laugh2:

As for not working in a multi cultural environment , Gabs I work all over this Country, even in the land of Fruits and Nuts, but of course I don't work in your little liberal lunch room so I wouldn't know :laugh2:

As for you attack not being personal , can you not read ?

I was wondering when you were going to come out of your hole and subscribe to the racist mantra. I often wonder if Hog Trash is one of your missing brothers.

With all the others that have posted no to banning I was the only one that was replied to in this manner, in fact if I remember correctly I was the only one you replied to at all, maybe I am mistaken but it isn't really worth me going back to look, I just simple don't remember you asking anyone else if they came out of a hole or wondered if Hog was there brother :poke:

And on the 50 year ago thing I almost agree with you Gabs, but then why not Ban peckerwood and cracker Hmmm seems pretty simple to me but I don't work in a lunch room so maybe not :laugh2:

Gabs I know you would love to try and argue this but I have much more important things going on in my life right now to worry about some child from the land of fruits and nuts

[gabosaurus]

In California, pretty much all educators are on a nine-month contract. Which is OK with me, since it gives me more time to spend with my daughter.
And since I am not a teacher, I never do lunchroom duty. The vast majority of my work is done one-on-one with students.

If you thought that was a personal attack, you haven't read some of my responses to other members. I was taking into account your personal history of racism on this board. Though you are by far not the only one.
You may work all over the country, but obviously you have little personal contact with those of other ethnic or racial groups. Or you would be aware of the history and qualification of their interpersonal dialogue.
Simplistically, I will put it this way: You could call your wife or girlfriend a bitch or dumbass in an affectionate manner, but you would never allow another person to use the same language. A black guy might greet a close friend as "my nigga," but if you try the same greeting, you will likely get knifed.
If you don't understand the difference between whites and blacks using the word "nigger," then you obviously failed history class (among others).

[OCA]

I dare one of you white boys here to go downtown to any inner city and say "nigger" with Blacks around........hopefully your life insurance is paid up so you don't leave loved ones high and dry.

You know exactly what you mean when you say the word and Blacks SURE AS HELL know what you mean when you use the word.......you ain't foolin nobody.

[jimnyc]

I dare one of you white boys here to go downtown to any inner city and say "nigger" with Blacks around........hopefully your life insurance is paid up so you don't leave loved ones high and dry.

You know exactly what you mean when you say the word and Blacks SURE AS HELL know what you mean when you use the word.......you ain't foolin nobody.

First off, yours and Gabs opinions on this subject have nothing to do with whether or not DP should ban the word. I think most here would agree it's not part of our daily vocabulary and that it is a highly negative and insulting word. I can think of a few times the word can be used without meaning a negative reference to blacks, but you're right, the overwhelming majority of the time it is used to be negative.

But the question is whether or not we should ban it. Would you agree if the government passed a law making it a crime to use that word and diminish our freedom of speech? And if not, why would you then support banning it on the Internet?

And if you vote to ban it, and are so highly offended by it, are you going to vote in a similar manner when members complain about similar remarks about whites, jews, arabs, chinese, indians?

[OCA]

First off, yours and Gabs opinions on this subject have nothing to do with whether or not DP should ban the word. I think most here would agree it's not part of our daily vocabulary and that it is a highly negative and insulting word. I can think of a few times the word can be used without meaning a negative reference to blacks, but you're right, the overwhelming majority of the time it is used to be negative.

But the question is whether or not we should ban it. Would you agree if the government passed a law making it a crime to use that word and diminish our freedom of speech? And if not, why would you then support banning it on the Internet?

And if you vote to ban it, and are so highly offended by it, are you going to vote in a similar manner when members complain about similar remarks about whites, jews, arabs, chinese, indians?

No Jimmy i'm against the ban but at the same time if you get your ass fragged by a brotha after he heard you say "nigger" then I say he gets a free pass......justifiable homicide.

[Binky]

Nigger

There, I said it.

...wait, I'll say it again.

Nigger

Ooooohhh....

Here's the problem I have with political correctness, racism, etc. Too much emphasis is put into the words and not into the meaning. When Chris Rock says 'nigger', nobody gives a shit, but when a white politician says it, all hell breaks loose.

Here's the best part - Chris Rock is using the word in it's worst derogatory sense and the white guy is simply using the word, but the white guy gets condemned.

No, the word should not be banned. What needs to be banned is the double standard and until that double standard is eliminated, racism in its true form will never go away.

A white person using that word is condemned just because he/she is white. And blacks call each other that all the time. Heck, they are always slamming each other with nigger....

Anyway, IMO, if people want respect from others then they need to show respect for their own and themselves.... Chris Rock is a very funny guy. I like him and certainly have nothing against him. However, he is not doing his race any good by calling other blacks nigger. Nor are any of them for that matter when tossing that word around.

And racism will never go away because there are too many that love to spiel it keeping it alive. Jesse Jackson is one. And he's got the biggest mouth on the planet.....and a heart filled with hate....

[HogTrash]

No Jimmy i'm against the ban but at the same time if you get your ass fragged by a brotha after he heard you say "nigger" then I say he gets a free pass......justifiable homicide.How many times have I heard this popular media promoted assumption that black will always prevail over white in any conflict.

And always from white liberals spouting political correctness...Hollywood has most certainly had it's influence on American beliefs.

[OCA]

How many times have I heard this popular media promoted assumption that black will always prevail over white in any conflict.

And always from white liberals spouting political correctness...Hollywood has most certainly had it's influence on American beliefs.

Because its true Sparky, if you want to test it out just make sure i'm around cuz I love to watch white boys get pounded.

[revelarts]

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[jimnyc]

No Jimmy i'm against the ban but at the same time if you get your ass fragged by a brotha after he heard you say "nigger" then I say he gets a free pass......justifiable homicide.

You have to look at why this thread was started, Mike. A member used the word in describing a "bad" black person. Some were offended, some weren't, some just don't care. A few popped out and were disgusted by it enough to want to leave the board, and to accuse staff of being racist and the board "condoning and encouraging" racism.

If I ban the word, people accuse me of censorship. If I leave it alone, I am a racist. I'll take the accusation of being racist if it means putting free speech first.

This has nothing to do with whether or not whites should have the right to use the word, or whether you would get beat up for doing so. The objective went way off track. This was just to see if members wanted to ban the word or allow it in the name of free speech.

[Jeff]

Because its true Sparky, if you want to test it out just make sure i'm around cuz I love to watch white boys get pounded.

:laugh2::laugh2:

OCA I always took you to be a little more of a man, so a black man always whoops a white man :laugh2: I say what I want when I want no matter who is around, Guess I am not living a chicken shit life, and by the way Fragged is something ya see on TV usually in a war movie, in fact if you had been in during war time I have a very good feeling you would of found out the meaning of that word real quick :laugh2:

And I know you are not considering yourself white or a white boy as you refer to it, but walk threw Newark NJ , Sheeps head bay NY, Ozone Park in Queens, Harlem and see if they ask you where you are from before they FRAG you :laugh2: And by the way that was a short list of areas known to be pretty tuff that I have slept in in the last 6 months and on the side of the road with a high dollar load behind me :laugh2:

Since way back I have always wondered about you OCA, Paulie as a Avatar days, well I got my answer, :laugh2:

As for Gabby, as I said before I am threw arguing with you, I have way more important things to do than argue with a child that can't even tell the truth

But I have to wonder who the real racist on this board are, I have never before took it for granted that if ya say something a black man don't like he would automatically kill ya :laugh2: course then again I work with blacks have blacks in my neighborhood and have many black friends that I get along with very well, seems to me that uptight snobby bitches that have never been to a ghetto or even know street lingo :laugh2: are the ones that scream the loudest about the bad names, in fact I think the Brothers have a name for yall, LILY WHITE MFers or punk that usually works also :laugh2:

But no one has answered my question, should Peckerwood , cracker or any of the other racial slurs used against whites also be banned the same as the N word ?

[Sweetchuck]

:laugh2::laugh2:

OCA I always took you to be a little more of a man, so a black man always whoops a white man :laugh2: I say what I want when I want no matter who is around, Guess I am not living a chicken shit life, and by the way Fragged is something ya see on TV usually in a war movie, in fact if you had been in during war time I have a very good feeling you would of found out the meaning of that word real quick :laugh2:

And I know you are not considering yourself white or a white boy as you refer to it, but walk threw Newark NJ , Sheeps head bay NY, Ozone Park in Queens, Harlem and see if they ask you where you are from before they FRAG you :laugh2: And by the way that was a short list of areas known to be pretty tuff that I have slept in in the last 6 months and on the side of the road with a high dollar load behind me :laugh2:

Since way back I have always wondered about you OCA, Paulie as a Avatar days, well I got my answer, :laugh2:

As for Gabby, as I said before I am threw arguing with you, I have way more important things to do than argue with a child that can't even tell the truth

But I have to wonder who the real racist on this board are, I have never before took it for granted that if ya say something a black man don't like he would automatically kill ya :laugh2: course then again I work with blacks have blacks in my neighborhood and have many black friends that I get along with very well, seems to me that uptight snobby bitches that have never been to a ghetto or even know street lingo :laugh2: are the ones that scream the loudest about the bad names, in fact I think the Brothers have a name for yall, LILY WHITE MFers or punk that usually works also :laugh2:

But no one has answered my question, should Peckerwood , cracker or any of the other racial slurs used against whites also be banned the same as the N word ?

Two thoughts. First, you do not have the right to not be offended. Second, being a racist isn't against any law unless you cause a legally defined harm of some sort.

Banning words is a form of censorship IMO.

[Jeff]

Two thoughts. First, you do not have the right to not be offended. Second, being a racist isn't against any law unless you cause a legally defined harm of some sort.

Banning words is a form of censorship IMO.
I agree Chuck it is a form of censorship, but my question is to those who think the N word ought to be banned, should the slurs used by blacks towards whites be banned also ?

[Sweetchuck]

I agree Chuck it is a form of censorship, but my question is to those who think the N word ought to be banned, should the slurs used by blacks towards whites be banned also ?

Fair question.

If anyone peruses DJ Junkies, you'll know that they're going through a clusterfuck of sorts with banning slurs and it's turning into a huge babysitting-fest.

"Cracker" is a word they are now pissing and moaning about. So I have to put my cheese on wafers now? 13 of the cards in a deck will now be called "shovels"? Where is the fine line?

Here's a thought - why not ban the intent instead of the word? Yeah, I know - it requires some common sense mixed in with a little judgment, and maybe that's too much to ask of some people.

Message forums aren't a public domain, the administrators of the board have the right to ban words, actions - whatever, and the subscribers of that forum can either accept those rules or post somewhere else but in my mind, a well ran, well moderated board will let adults be adults and assholes be assholes since that runs mostly parallel with freedoms. The line that you don't want to cross is the obvious intent to offend, not the baseless intent so, again IMO, if I want to greet a fellow poster by saying "what's up, my nigga" and that fellow poster responds in like, who is offended? The politically correct, overly sensitive person is, but if I, in a fit of anger call you the N word, then who is offended? You are, especially if you are black and justifiably so.

So to directly answer your question, no but I don't think any of those words should be banned.

That's my take, but what the fuck do I know.

[Jeff]

Fair question.

If anyone peruses DJ Junkies, you'll know that they're going through a clusterfuck of sorts with banning slurs and it's turning into a huge babysitting-fest.

"Cracker" is a word they are now pissing and moaning about. So I have to put my cheese on wafers now? 13 of the cards in a deck will now be called "shovels"? Where is the fine line?

Here's a thought - why not ban the intent instead of the word? Yeah, I know - it requires some common sense mixed in with a little judgment, and maybe that's too much to ask of some people.

Message forums aren't a public domain, the administrators of the board have the right to ban words, actions - whatever, and the subscribers of that forum can either accept those rules or post somewhere else but in my mind, a well ran, well moderated board will let adults be adults and assholes be assholes since that runs mostly parallel with freedoms. The line that you don't want to cross is the obvious intent to offend, not the baseless intent so, again IMO, if I want to greet a fellow poster by saying "what's up, my nigga" and that fellow poster responds in like, who is offended? The politically correct, overly sensitive person is, but if I, in a fit of anger call you the N word, then who is offended? You are, especially if you are black and justifiably so.

So to directly answer your question, no but I don't think any of those words should be banned.

That's my take, but what the fuck do I know.

I think ya know a good bit Chuck, I agree and like your answer , but honestly Chuck my question although for anyone to answer was asked mainly to see what the ones that said the N word should be banned would say, I am like you nothing should be censored, we are adults and in my end of the world people realize slurs for what they are, I explained in my first post that a educated person more than likely would not be offended by any of those words , but I wanted to see what our high and mighty Libs that feel the N word is so terrible would say, I guess time will tell :laugh2:

[HogTrash]

Because its true Sparky, if you want to test it out just make sure i'm around cuz I love to watch white boys get pounded.I speak from experience, while you speak from hatred for whitey.

I was born and raised the first 13 years of my life in an inner city ghetto.

If you had been there you would have been sorely dissappointed.

Hmmm?.....You claim not to be black, OCA?

If this is true then I would guess you're either a wigger or a mudwrestler.

[OCA]

You have to look at why this thread was started, Mike. A member used the word in describing a "bad" black person. Some were offended, some weren't, some just don't care. A few popped out and were disgusted by it enough to want to leave the board, and to accuse staff of being racist and the board "condoning and encouraging" racism.

If I ban the word, people accuse me of censorship. If I leave it alone, I am a racist. I'll take the accusation of being racist if it means putting free speech first.

This has nothing to do with whether or not whites should have the right to use the word, or whether you would get beat up for doing so. The objective went way off track. This was just to see if members wanted to ban the word or allow it in the name of free speech.

Ok Jimmy, i'm with ya, don't ban it but then again can I call Marty retard? Are we gonna ban me from doing that?

[OCA]

I speak from experience, while you speak from hatred for whitey.

I was born and raised the first 13 years of my life in an inner city ghetto.

If you had been there you would have been sorely dissappointed.

Hmmm?.....You claim not to be black, OCA?

If this is true then I would guess you're either a wigger or a mudwrestler.

Nope, neither, i'm from the master race.

But really i'm just a guy who judges everyone on their character of person and not the color of their skin.

To judge someone solely on the color of their skin shows a lack of intelligence and the inability to think critically.

I've judged you already, care to guess which way I judged you with my most respected thoughts?

[OCA]

But no one has answered my question, should Peckerwood , cracker or any of the other racial slurs used against whites also be banned the same as the N word ?

When was the last time you were walking down the road and someone called you cracker? :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

And i'm sure you fought them all off lol.

And i'm guessing that nobody answered your question because maybe......it was a stupid question?

[Jeff]

When was the last time you were walking down the road and someone called you cracker? :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

And i'm sure you fought them all off lol.

And i'm guessing that nobody answered your question because maybe......it was a stupid question?

Stupid to you cause as I have stated very clearly you are a chicken shit that wants to act like a tuff guy behind a computer screen , have I ever been called peckerwood or cracker absolutely, as I have told you I don't sit in front of a TV feeling sorry for the poor minority's I work with them, and here is a little secret for ya I laugh when called it, as do they, it is a joke, but yes OCA I understand you thinking the question is stupid , hell when trapped don't answer try to insult, LOL,

But lets see there was at least one person that felt the N word should be banned I simply asked should the slurs against whites be banned, hmmm stupid I don't think so, but then again I am a man :laugh2: And well we are on the Subject if I am called a racial slur by a black man should I be able to kill him and get a free pass ? you know that justifiable homicide, Somehow I am sure that will be a stupid question also, LMAO, I love to watch internet tuff guys , And I mean that I use to love to watch ya deal with Big D, LOL

AS for fighting them all off, not usually, have I fought the poor minority killers ( as you so deemed them ) many times, again I am not a computer bad ass, I live my life where ever and how ever I want

Good thing I haven't gotten FRAGGED yet :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[Jeff]

Nope, neither, i'm from the master race.

But really i'm just a guy who judges everyone on their character of person and not the color of their skin.

To judge someone solely on the color of their skin shows a lack of intelligence and the inability to think critically.

I've judged you already, care to guess which way I judged you with my most respected thoughts?

OCA you dont judge by the color of someones skin but a black man from the Ghetto is a killer ( yes if a man FRAGS ...god I love that...someone cause he is called a name he would be a stone cold murder )

What if someone calls me a tattooed Mother Fer can I kill them, LOL, what logic

And lets not forget how you love to watch White boys get pounded, LOL, ok so you judge them as you see them, so am I to assume you don't like all white people, :laugh2::laugh2:

[OCA]

Stupid to you cause as I have stated very clearly you are a chicken shit that wants to act like a tuff guy behind a computer screen , have I ever been called peckerwood or cracker absolutely, as I have told you I don't sit in front of a TV feeling sorry for the poor minority's I work with them, and here is a little secret for ya I laugh when called it, as do they, it is a joke, but yes OCA I understand you thinking the question is stupid , hell when trapped don't answer try to insult, LOL,

But lets see there was at least one person that felt the N word should be banned I simply asked should the slurs against whites be banned, hmmm stupid I don't think so, but then again I am a man :laugh2: And well we are on the Subject if I am called a racial slur by a black man should I be able to kill him and get a free pass ? you know that justifiable homicide, Somehow I am sure that will be a stupid question also, LMAO, I love to watch internet tuff guys , And I mean that I use to love to watch ya deal with Big D, LOL

AS for fighting them all off, not usually, have I fought the poor minority killers ( as you so deemed them ) many times, again I am not a computer bad ass, I live my life where ever and how ever I want

Good thing I haven't gotten FRAGGED yet :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

I know, I get called peckerwood everyday as I work.:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[Jeff]

I know, I get called peckerwood everyday as I work.:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

As I said I could tell by your lack of street Lingo you work in your comfort zone, I seriously doubt you have ever seen downtown DC, and of course how many people from the Ghetto hire cleaners, :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

OCA you are a funny guy I give ya that, but lets settle on being a tuff guy on the internet and don't even pretend ya know about real life, I mean hell I walked into work everyday for 2 years up in NJ and had a black guy yell to me morning peckerwood and I would tell him morning spear chucker, it is a joke amongst us that really live life, he meant no offense toward me nor I to him, but I guess the liberal handbook doesn't explain that :laugh2::laugh2:

[OCA]

OCA you dont judge by the color of someones skin but a black man from the Ghetto is a killer ( yes if a man FRAGS ...god I love that...someone cause he is called a name he would be a stone cold murder )

What if someone calls me a tattooed Mother Fer can I kill them, LOL, what logic

And lets not forget how you love to watch White boys get pounded, LOL, ok so you judge them as you see them, so am I to assume you don't like all white people, :laugh2::laugh2:

Yeah, there are quite a few white boys I despise, mostly all the motherfuckers that have run the country and economy into the ground.

But you know what really gets me going? Me saying anything here off the top of my head and getting a reaction out of y'all, you guys are my puppets on a string.:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[OCA]

As I said I could tell by your lack of street Lingo you work in your comfort zone, I seriously doubt you have ever seen downtown DC, and of course how many people from the Ghetto hire cleaners, :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

OCA you are a funny guy I give ya that, but lets settle on being a tuff guy on the internet and don't even pretend ya know about real life, I mean hell I walked into work everyday for 2 years up in NJ and had a black guy yell to me morning peckerwood and I would tell him morning spear chucker, it is a joke amongst us that really live life, he meant no offense toward me nor I to him, but I guess the liberal handbook doesn't explain that :laugh2::laugh2:

Shows how much you know about D.C., downtown is great, N.E. and S.E. are the shits but I take jobs there too.

I'm guessing I know more about hard work and real life then you but then again I guess I don't because I don't talk like one of those ignorant street fucks......oh well.

Tuff guy in any phase of my life.

[Jeff]

Yeah, there are quite a few white boys I despise, mostly all the motherfuckers that have run the country and economy into the ground.

But you know what really gets me going? Me saying anything here off the top of my head and getting a reaction out of y'all, you guys are my puppets on a string.:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

As my wife says all the time if that makes you feel better have at it, LOL

But I have to agree with ya on the people running the economy into the ground sure enough, but with that said I have to ask , haven't ya watched anything your messiah is doing ?

[Jeff]

Shows how much you know about D.C., downtown is great, N.E. and S.E. are the shits but I take jobs there too.

I'm guessing I know more about hard work and real life then you but then again I guess I don't because I don't talk like one of those ignorant street fucks......oh well.

Tuff guy in any phase of my life.

you really are as ignorant as people say :laugh2: when bad areas are spoke of it is usually referred to downtown , Atlanta has bad areas as just as you said west side ( ex 14 off the loop is real bad) east side, but when ya talk to people heading there it is spoke of as downtown, again you show your ignorance :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Tuff guy :laugh2: I seen your pic, scrawny little MF is more like it :laugh2:

[OCA]

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

As my wife says all the time if that makes you feel better have at it, LOL

But I have to agree with ya on the people running the economy into the ground sure enough, but with that said I have to ask , haven't ya watched anything your messiah is doing ?

He ain't my messiah but he was the best man BY FAR given the two realistic choices we were given and has dealt adequately given the plate of shit left to him by the retarded cowboy. I think all politicians eat ass.

Let me ask you this, so if we can use "nigger" here can I call Marty a "retard" at will? Seems to me that if we ain't banning one and call each other "nigger" day and night I should be able to call him a retard.

[OCA]

you really are as ignorant as people say :laugh2: when bad areas are spoke of it is usually referred to downtown , Atlanta has bad areas as just as you said west side ( ex 14 off the loop is real bad) east side, but when ya talk to people heading there it is spoke of as downtown, again you show your ignorance :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Tuff guy :laugh2: I seen your pic, scrawny little MF is more like it :laugh2:

Hahaha you bought that pic?:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

That was my cousin and his freakin hot ass girlfriend, I have a strict no internet pics policy. Even your bro Johnny picked up on that right away.



Guess I'm more specific in my area speech, crucify me for being intelligent

[gabosaurus]

I grew up in a racially mixed community where Anglos were always the minority. I caught more crap for being short than for being a certain color. I've never had any trouble with blacks or Latinos.
If you were actually in the loop, you would know that blacks distrust Latinos a lot more than they distrust whites. I have heard more prejudicial comments on this board than I ever heard in school. Kids trust each other. It's the adults that cause the trouble.



Guess I'm more specific in my area speech, crucify me for being intelligent

Being intelligent does place you in the minority on this board.

[Abbey Marie]

He ain't my messiah but he was the best man BY FAR given the two realistic choices we were given and has dealt adequately given the plate of shit left to him by the retarded cowboy. I think all politicians eat ass.

Let me ask you this, so if we can use "nigger" here can I call Marty a "retard" at will? Seems to me that if we ain't banning one and call each other "nigger" day and night I should be able to call him a retard.

IMO, there is a difference between using offensive terms in general/about people in the public eye, and using them directly at another member. I consider the latter to be much worse. In addition, it is not in keeping with the goal of this board- which last time I checked was- policy debate. However this discussion plays out, I for one will delete any such posts.

[HogTrash]

Hahaha you bought that pic?:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

That was my cousin and his freakin hot ass girlfriend, I have a strict no internet pics policy. Even your bro Johnny picked up on that right away.



Guess I'm more specific in my area speech, crucify me for being intelligentWhy the "strict no internet pics policy" mr tuff guy?

[red states rule]

IMO, there is a difference between using offensive terms in general/about people in the public eye, and using them directly at another member. I consider the latter to be much worse. In addition, it is not in keeping with the goal of this board- which last time I checked was- policy debate. However this discussion plays out, I for one will delete any such posts.

Your work load just decreased Abbey.

OCA removed from the discussion

[Free Speech]

This word was recently used in the title of a thread to describe the black guy in the posted video within the thread. Since very rarely, if ever posted here, a few are both insulted by the mere fact that it was posted - and the misdirected belief that the board supports or encourages any type of racism. People post negative things about Italians, Muslims, Liberals, Conservatives, Indians, Asians.... but the N word pops up just once!

Anyway, if the community would choose to censor the word, in the future it would come up as ******

Keep in mind, and this is just my personal take, and my one vote carries no more weight than any other - will this open a door to further votes on censorship down the road?
Although I'm not black, I am offended when it's not used properly.

"We niggers gotta stick together." acceptable
"He's just another nigger who thinks he's above the law." not acceptable

No, I don't think it should be censored or banned, but definitely in the warning category.

[Sweetchuck]

I have a question and instead of creating a new thread, I thought I'd hijack this one. It's still tangent to the issue though, but is the term "white trash" racist? To black people that is, not so much to white people.

I always thought the therm suggested that only "white trash" white people were trashy and the implication is that all non-white people are trash so calling white people "white trash" is like taking a shot at minorities.

[Free Speech]

I have a question and instead of creating a new thread, I thought I'd hijack this one. It's still tangent to the issue though, but is the term "white trash" racist? To black people that is, not so much to white people.

I always thought the therm suggested that only "white trash" white people were trashy and the implication is that all non-white people are trash so calling white people "white trash" is like taking a shot at minorities.
White trash is only racist to white trash. :laugh:
No really, "Ghetto" is the term for black "white trash", which can be used in a racist manner.
Blacks may use the white trash term to describe whites, but Ghetto to describe blacks.

In addition:
The term (white trash) is almost exclusively used for rural states and "backwards" countries, but originated for southerners.
It can also be used for people who live in trailer parks, mobile homes, or boat houses.

[country]

Where does it stop? First it was nigger, then negro, then black person, then afro american, then person of color. What is PC?? White folks are called many names and noone gets their shorts in a bunch over "cracker", "honky", "white boy" or any number of names. People are just looking for an excuse to be offended.

[Free Speech]

White folks are called many names and noone gets their shorts in a bunch over "cracker", "honky", "white boy" or any number of names.
Actually M&M got a little upset at those terms, being the first white rapper since Vanilla Ice.

From my last post:

In addition:
The term (white trash) is almost exclusively used for rural states and "backwards" countries, but originated for southerners.
It can also be used for people who live in trailer parks (Jennifer Simpson), mobile homes (Britney Spears), or boat houses (Miley Cyrus).

[HogTrash]

I have a question and instead of creating a new thread, I thought I'd hijack this one. It's still tangent to the issue though, but is the term "white trash" racist? To black people that is, not so much to white people.

I always thought the therm suggested that only "white trash" white people were trashy and the implication is that all non-white people are trash so calling white people "white trash" is like taking a shot at minorities.The things that offend blacks, gets changed as often as a baby's diaper.

Keeping up with Political Correctness in America is a never ending struggle.

[Abbey Marie]

I have a question and instead of creating a new thread, I thought I'd hijack this one. It's still tangent to the issue though, but is the term "white trash" racist? To black people that is, not so much to white people.

I always thought the therm suggested that only "white trash" white people were trashy and the implication is that all non-white people are trash so calling white people "white trash" is like taking a shot at minorities.

That's so funny, I've told my husband the same thing. It's akin to saying that the overwhelming majority of white people are fine- it's just that tiny percentage that is bad. Especially since the term isn't used for other races. "Black trash"? I've never heard it. For those reasons, I have always thought that if I were black, I wouldn't like the term at all.

[gabosaurus]

"White trash" is way too broad of a designation. You need to apply the proper sub genres.
You can be "hillbilly white trash" or "redneck white trash." Further down the line, you have "trailer trash," which is below either of the above.
Then you have those like HogTrash, who qualifies as "redneck trailer trash."
Just so you'll know. :p

[HogTrash]

No matter how much we do, they never seem to be satisfied and they complain incessantly. :blsmile:

I personally don't believe any group of people in the world are worth this much effort to keep happy.

[Free Speech]

No matter how much we do, they never seem to be satisfied and they complain incessantly. :blsmile:

I personally don't believe any group of people in the world are worth this much effort to keep happy.
The justification they use for offense of these terms is the image of them in the media, how they are treated, and the hardships they've endured.
What about those men with big noses in WWII, you think we complain in these modern times?
I mean we helped build the pyramids for God's sake!

[HogTrash]

"White trash" is way too broad of a designation. You need to apply the proper sub genres.
You can be "hillbilly white trash" or "redneck white trash." Further down the line, you have "trailer trash," which is below either of the above.
Then you have those like HogTrash, who qualifies as "redneck trailer trash."
Just so you'll know. :pI've been a good father, faithful husband, good provider, good friend, good neighbor, honest, educated, intelligent, successful, charitable, a veteran and just an all around nice fella.

By what standard do you judge me to be "redneck trailer trash"?...That's rhetorical of course, I'm well aware of the standard you judge the wise ole Hog by.

If you should ever become aware of just how ignorant you truely are, you will no doubt die of embarrassment.

[Sweetchuck]

Ok, I'm going to take this discussion off in another direction, what about homosexuals?

I belong to a bunch of sports forums, one of them has a rule about talking about racial issues (and politics) and they enforce these rules pretty sternly, however gay bashing is commonplace and often encouraged.

Are racial minorities the only protected class?

Even here gay bashing is tolerated. :gay:

Now I'm not stepping up to be the hero of the gay community, I'm just posting this simple question.

[Free Speech]

Ok, I'm going to take this discussion off in another direction, what about homosexuals?

I belong to a bunch of sports forums, one of them has a rule about talking about racial issues (and politics) and they enforce these rules pretty sternly, however gay bashing is commonplace and often encouraged.

Are racial minorities the only protected class?

Even here gay bashing is tolerated. :gay:

Now I'm not stepping up to be the hero of the gay community, I'm just posting this simple question.
As already mentioned "queer" is acceptable as long as a gay person says it.

Gay bashing is tolerated ("tolerated", not accepted) because they know nothing can be done, and just laugh at how stupid the person who said it is.
It's sorta like celebrity exaggeration in the tabloids.
Sure it hurts, but they can't do anything about it without wasting taxpayer's money.

By the way, if you didn't get that pyramids comment:
People around Arabia and Babylon were recruited as slave labor at the time.
Most of these people were Jewish hence the WWII reference.

[Gaffer]

As already mentioned "queer" is acceptable as long as a gay person says it.

Gay bashing is tolerated ("tolerated", not accepted) because they know nothing can be done, and just laugh at how stupid the person who said it is.
It's sorta like celebrity exaggeration in the tabloids.
Sure it hurts, but they can't do anything about it without wasting taxpayer's money.

By the way, if you didn't get that pyramids comment:
People around Arabia and Babylon were recruited as slave labor at the time.
Most of these people were Jewish hence the WWII reference.

Your wording is not correct. Slaves were not recruited. They were prisoners from conquered lands. Just thinking about slave recruiters is comical, where's monty python when you need him?

[Sweetchuck]

My cell phone ringtone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ

[Free Speech]

This is about the "n" word, and I think we should stay on track as stated in the forum rules.

[Kathianne]

This is about the "n" word, and I think we should stay on track as stated in the forum rules.

Wow, did I miss your being made a mod? If not, please look after your own posts. Thank you.

[jon_forward]

I dont believe the word itself is the problem. It has other uses and used as such is not or should not be offensive to anyone. NO, do not ban

[Free Speech]

Wow, did I miss your being made a mod? If not, please look after your own posts. Thank you.
I'm sorry for stepping on any toes, but it seems like you aren't doing your job in regards to that rule.

Yes, I switched subjects for a moment, but only to avoid an upcoming flame.

21 - No
1 - Yes

Who's the idiot who voted yes? ;)

[Kathianne]

It wasn't your poll and everyone, even that one person has the right to vote the way they wish.

We are doing our job and if you read the rules you will see that is so.

Do not question moderation. Which includes telling other members what posts are acceptable. We do so, when necessary. Privately, whenever possible. Thank you.

[Sweetchuck]

Wow, did I miss your being made a mod? If not, please look after your own posts. Thank you.

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[Mr. P]

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[Sweetchuck]

pssssstttt !!! yer about to stomp on yer own dick boy. just sayin

Flattery will get you nowhere.

[Mr. P]

Flattery will get you nowhere.

:laugh2: Good one! :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: