View Full Version : DP starting to look like stormfront
LiberalNation
06-10-2010, 10:05 PM
Honestly, I don't need to be member of a board that promotes racism.
chloe
06-10-2010, 10:09 PM
I wouldn't say its like stormfront just because Hogtrash is racist.
LiberalNation
06-10-2010, 10:15 PM
threads with titles nigger this and nigger that and you don't see a comparison. That stuff is on the front page.
chloe
06-10-2010, 10:16 PM
threads with titles nigger this and nigger that and you don't see a comparison. That stuff is on the front page.
Yes I see that but its only one poster doing that. Anyways don't leave:cool:
PostmodernProphet
06-10-2010, 10:57 PM
I wouldn't say its like stormfront just because Hogtrash is racist.
no, I would say it because Hogtrash is a racist with a 2million+ reputation.....it does tend to make the whole board suck.....
HogTrash
06-10-2010, 11:01 PM
DP starting to look like stormfront
Honestly, I don't need to be member of a board that promotes racism.Profanity and racial slurs are permitted on many political websites, but not at Stormfront...You need to get out more.
threads with titles nigger this and nigger that and you don't see a comparison. That stuff is on the front page.I'm equally offended by liberal ignorance and PC stupidity, but you don't see me pissin, moanin, whinin and bitchin about your choice of material.
I insulted a disgusting lowlife who attacked an innocent man and his wife in front of their 5 year old daughter.....Deal with it you pathetic moron.
LiberalNation
06-10-2010, 11:02 PM
I'm sure you would know all about the stormfront rules trash.
chloe
06-10-2010, 11:09 PM
What does one posters reputation have to do with the whole board becoming stormfront ? Anyway she shouldn't leave because of him just put him on ignore.
People have some topics they don't want to debate like religion, race, abortion because it becomes to emotional so they avoid those threads.
The fact that his reputation is so high must mean in some way he is onto something about people being politically correct in public and not in private. He is at least open about his issues. He does respond to other non racial related posts occasionally so it is possible his rep comes for other reasons.....
Anyway Liberal Nation should stay just ignore his threads.
Luna Tick
06-10-2010, 11:32 PM
HogTrash may be racist, but I'd still kinda like to have him spank my bare butt, maybe punishing me for being too liberal. Ooh, baby.
HogTrash
06-10-2010, 11:49 PM
HogTrash may be racist, but I'd still kinda like to have him spank my bare butt, maybe punishing me for being too liberal. Ooh, baby.It's true, you are a major hottie LT, but I don't do liberals.
They're simply not woman enough to satisfy the ravenous Hog.
SassyLady
06-10-2010, 11:50 PM
Honestly, I don't need to be member of a board that promotes racism.
What is stormfront? Is it a board that promotes racism? Do you post there?
SassyLady
06-10-2010, 11:52 PM
no, I would say it because Hogtrash is a racist with a 2million+ reputation.....it does tend to make the whole board suck.....
I think it balances out the excessive rep of the liberals like Libby and Gabby.
HogTrash
06-10-2010, 11:59 PM
I'm sure you would know all about the stormfront rules trash.I know lots of things Libby.....Do you wanna know why?
Because I don't allow others to pick and choose my sources.
I place no restrictions on where or from who I get my information.
Never forget...The truth is the truth, no matter who tells it to you.
HogTrash
06-11-2010, 12:48 AM
What is stormfront? Is it a board that promotes racism? Do you post there?It is a massive international website for white activists and supporters, that caters to kkk, nazis, skinheads, white supremists, white seperatists and national socialists...They have very strict guidelines concerning profanity and racial slurs.
Most call themselves White Nationalists or WNs...Some are devout racists, most blame jews for all the worlds problems, and some are just concerned about the future of the white race, which is politicaly incorrect as hell as anyone who has been paying attention knows.
They are closely monitered by local, state and foreign police departments, numerous US government agencies, the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad, Interpol and several private organizations such as The Anti Defamation League and The Southern Poverty Law Center.
SassyLady
06-11-2010, 01:45 AM
It is a massive international website for white activists and supporters, that caters to kkk, nazis, skinheads, white supremists, white seperatists and national socialists...They have very strict guidelines concerning profanity and racial slurs.
Most call themselves White Nationalists or WNs...Some are devout racists, most blame jews for all the worlds problems, and some are just concerned about the future of the white race, which is politicaly incorrect as hell as anyone who has been paying attention knows.
They are closely monitered by local, state and foreign police departments, numerous US government agencies, the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad, Interpol and several private organizations such as The Anti Defamation League and The Southern Poverty Law Center.
Wow ..... I think I knew there was something like this out there just never paid attention to what it was called.
So, what type of white people do they accept? Sounds like they aren't just against anything non-white but are anti-semitic also. Why would anyone blame just the Jewish people for all the world's problems. White people have had majority control for most of the time .... haven't they? ....shrugs....
Luna Tick
06-11-2010, 02:04 AM
It's true, you are a major hottie LT, but I don't do liberals.
They're simply not woman enough to satisfy the ravenous Hog.
Then you'll never know what you're missing.
jimnyc
06-11-2010, 08:02 AM
Honestly, I don't need to be member of a board that promotes racism.
Can you point out to where "the board" promotes racism? One person does not make an entire community. People will ALWAYS be posting things that annoy or make others angry.
"The board" promotes a place where like minded adults can speak their minds without fear of being banned, unless they break the written rules. Not a single opinion of ANY member is promoted by this board.
Abbey Marie
06-11-2010, 09:29 AM
Yes, what he said.
So, LN, does the fact that you post here mean it looks like we promote lesbianism?
HogTrash
06-11-2010, 09:30 AM
Then you'll never know what you're missing.True, but I will always have my imagination to satisfy my Luna Tick fantasies. :mm:
LiberalNation
06-11-2010, 10:16 AM
Yes, what he said.
So, LN, does the fact that you post here mean it looks like we promote lesbianism?
do I use slurs for straight people in thread titles, you'll ban the word **** cuz abbys sensative but niggers just fine, why cuz the board thinks racism is acceptable. We can offend blacks but my goodness those few women must be protected from language.
PostmodernProphet
06-11-2010, 11:01 AM
I think it balances out the excessive rep of the liberals like Libby and Gabby.
gabby has rep?
PostmodernProphet
06-11-2010, 11:05 AM
Can you point out to where "the board" promotes racism? One person does not make an entire community. People will ALWAYS be posting things that annoy or make others angry.
"The board" promotes a place where like minded adults can speak their minds without fear of being banned, unless they break the written rules. Not a single opinion of ANY member is promoted by this board.
Jim, there's a difference between a racist posting an opinion on a current topic and a racist starting threads with outright racist language in the title....the webspyders are going to pick up on it and draw some very undesirable people to our midst.....
HogTrash
06-11-2010, 11:47 AM
Wow ..... I think I knew there was something like this out there just never paid attention to what it was called.
So, what type of white people do they accept?It's not a club Princess...It's basicly a place for white people only to share information and ideas, vent their anger and plan their white revolution.
There are men and women of every age and many nations have their own forum at the website, so there are some language barriers if you happen to drift from the "press one for english" pages.
There are some assholes and serious racists there but I understand their anger, and many people are just worried about the plight of the white race and the direction the world is taking and I understand their concerns.
I have witnessed some of the most ignorant people in the world praising hitler and spouting their nonsense there, along with some of the most brilliant minds I have ever encountered on the internet.
The same as anyplace else, there are those there who agree or debate my opinions and those who hate me passionately...Mostly the White National Socialist who worship Adolf Hitler and plan the resurrection of his Third Reich.
Like everyone else who passes through the forbidden zones of stormfront, I would imagine that I have made somebodies "Watch List"...But, like Rick Nelson said, "you can't please everyone, so you gotta please yourself".
Sounds like they aren't just against anything non-white but are anti-semitic also. Why would anyone blame just the Jewish people for all the world's problems. White people have had majority control for most of the time .... haven't they? ....shrugs....They believe "white control" is an illusion and that the jews actually control everything from behind the scenes through some form of either Plutocracy, Aristacracy or Kleptocracy or possibly some combination, as best I can figure.
It is true that the jews do control many of the worlds banks and most of the worlds media...The control of wealth along with the flow of information does have the potential for the accumulation of an enormous amount of power and influence.
IMO, I believe the jews do have alot of political enfluence and are one of the smallest, close-knit groups of people in the world who live in fear because of a history of very bad experiences and hated by nearly everyone and believe wealth and power provides safe haven.
But I have to ask myself, why have they been the most hated people on earth since the beginning of civilization?...It is almost certain that they are guilty of something that has made them so very unpopular for thousands of years?...Don't you think?
Stormfront hates and fears the jews, and like I have always said, irrational fear is paranoia while rational fear is a survival tool, but which is it?...Anyway, I have my own agenda...The total destruction of political correctness and to reverse the damage it has caused.
No, I am not a racist...The only people on my shit-list are liberals, progressives, democrats and anyone who votes for them, regardless of their race...Unfortunately, 96% of black Americans fall into that catagory.
LiberalNation
06-11-2010, 12:02 PM
gabby has rep?
I don't suppose ya'll noticed but gabby is mostly gone, hardly posting at all. Lets drive off all the libs and make the board a circle jerk seems to be the policy. Noir you also drove off.
PostmodernProphet
06-11-2010, 12:48 PM
I don't suppose ya'll noticed but gabby is mostly gone, hardly posting at all. Lets drive off all the libs and make the board a circle jerk seems to be the policy. Noir you also drove off.
me?....I doubt very much that Noir would say that I was the one who drove him off....I will agree that I had to join another board just to find liberal meat.....all that's left for me here is to argue with those more conservative than I am.....
LiberalNation
06-11-2010, 12:58 PM
sorry, I didn't mean you specifically pmp.
You know your screen name acronym means pimp in texts speak.
KarlMarx
06-11-2010, 01:01 PM
Honestly, I don't need to be member of a board that promotes racism.
I've been a member of this board since 2007 (with a one year hiatus), before that, Jim ran USMB, and I was a member on that board. While this board is definitely on the conservative side, it does not promote racism.
LN... since you are going to be sworn to uphold the Constitution soon let me clue you in on something. The First Amendment guarantees the right to free speech. That means that you will sometimes run into individuals whose viewpoint you'll disagree with or find repugnant. Bigotry is protected under the First Amendment just as having a liberal viewpoint is.
That's the way freedom works. You don't dictate what other people can believe in, you don't have to agree with what other people believe in, but you can engage them in constructive debate on the topic at hand.
I could turn this around on you and claim that you are pushing a radical gay agenda by posting some of the things you do and go off saying that Debate Policy is starting to remind me of the DeCastro District.... but do I? In fact, does any one?
Learn to respect the rights of others just as you would have them respect yours.
LiberalNation
06-11-2010, 01:26 PM
it may do that but you can't be an open racist in the army and expect to advance, they'll get you out quite quickly. People here can say what they want, I asked for no one to be censored, just stated I would not be a perticipient where racism was encouraged and supported.
KarlMarx
06-11-2010, 02:10 PM
it may do that but you can't be an open racist in the army and expect to advance, they'll get you out quite quickly. People here can say what they want, I asked for no one to be censored, just stated I would not be a perticipient where racism was encouraged and supported.
I don't believe racism is encouraged or supported. You have the right to abstain from participating. However, comparing the entire board to StormFront.org is not justified. That is the problem with people on your side of the argument, I'm afraid, you tend to paint everyone on the Right with a broad brush based on the actions of a few.
jimnyc
06-11-2010, 03:38 PM
do I use slurs for straight people in thread titles, you'll ban the word **** cuz abbys sensative but niggers just fine, why cuz the board thinks racism is acceptable. We can offend blacks but my goodness those few women must be protected from language.
The 4 letter word you wrote was obviously banned. You edited your post after the fact to get around the board censors, and that has earned you a few days off.
Look, if the community as a whole wants the N word banned too, I will oblige. But I personally see one as quite insulting while the other C word is vulgar and nobody should have to read. I'll leave it to a week long vote.
I don't suppose ya'll noticed but gabby is mostly gone, hardly posting at all. Lets drive off all the libs and make the board a circle jerk seems to be the policy. Noir you also drove off.
Those who leave CHOOSE to leave. We have a lot of very intelligent members here from the right, maybe the others choose to leave as they can't win an argument/debate? :)
it may do that but you can't be an open racist in the army and expect to advance, they'll get you out quite quickly. People here can say what they want, I asked for no one to be censored, just stated I would not be a perticipient where racism was encouraged and supported.
We neither encourage or support ANY members posts on this board, we simply facilitate.
darin
06-11-2010, 03:56 PM
If people are free to be gay. If people are free to be Liberals. If people are free to be Communists.
People are free to be racists.
HogTrash
06-11-2010, 05:20 PM
I don't suppose ya'll noticed but gabby is mostly gone, hardly posting at all. Lets drive off all the libs and make the board a circle jerk seems to be the policy. Noir you also drove off.I absolutely detest liberals, but I believe they are necessary to any political website worth it's salt.
You can't have a good guy without a bad guy and the smartest liberal makes the dumbest conservative look like genius.
Luna Tick
06-11-2010, 05:35 PM
True, but I will always have my imagination to satisfy my Luna Tick fantasies. :mm:
Well, I've been trying to find a man willing to dress up like Hitler and spank my butt, but I keep running into men who think that's weird. It's so disappointing.
HogTrash
06-11-2010, 06:14 PM
Well, I've been trying to find a man willing to dress up like Hitler and spank my butt, but I keep running into men who think that's weird. It's so disappointing.Damn LT, you just might be a hot blooded, pistol packin Storm Troopett, in sheeps clothing?
Are you sure you're ready for this, Fraulein?
PostmodernProphet
06-11-2010, 06:22 PM
You know your screen name acronym means pimp in texts speak.
yes....people I beat in debates resort to telling me that as a last defense......
PostmodernProphet
06-11-2010, 06:25 PM
Look, if the community as a whole wants the N word banned too, I will oblige. But I personally see one as quite insulting while the other C word is vulgar and nobody should have to read. I'll leave it to a week long vote.
interesting....I find the "c" word far less offensive than the "n" word, and I am neither female or black....
red states rule
06-11-2010, 06:27 PM
I don't suppose ya'll noticed but gabby is mostly gone, hardly posting at all. Lets drive off all the libs and make the board a circle jerk seems to be the policy. Noir you also drove off.
With Gabby I believe she is busy with her young child and her job
With BP, it is more of a case of being unable to defend Obama and his liberal policies. When the facts start going against him, he runs away
While you are a huge lib, you stay away from the policy threads and go with the social themes, and anything that makes America look bad. Which is fine - that is what you are interested in. BP is simply a disappointed liberal who is not seeing his dream of liberal utopia coming to pass. The only thing I recall you complaining about was a soda tax
I have been on liberal boards where they simply restrict the number of posts conservatives can make, and delete their posts if the mods do not like them. One board even states you MUST be a liberal to post there
Liberals are welcome here. and unlike liberal boards they will not be banned, have their posts deleted, or have the number of posts they can make per day restricted
gabosaurus
06-12-2010, 12:25 AM
Racism and homophobia reflect the general slant of DP management and core membership toward those issues.
One positive is that almost all topics of conversation are allowed on DP. Which is not the case on most political boards. I was banned from DU for slamming Clinton. I have similarly been banned from many conservative boards.
The primary problem with DP is the same as on all boards with a strongly conservative slant. You can't argue or debate people who already have their minds made up. If someone starts a thread about Obama being a devil worshiper, there is nothing anyone can post that will make them budge from their opinion.
Bush was good. You weren't allowed to question his flaws and bad decisions.
Obama is bad. Nasty black out to enslave all patriotic Americans.
I have banged my head against this wall way too many times. If someone quotes Fox News, a radio talking head or some right-wing blog or web site, that is the gospel. If you try to reply with your own attribution, it is dismissed as being the "liberal mainstream media." Which, of course, is "biased" and can't be trusted.
What is the "liberal mainstream media?" Any form of communication that does not endorse the conservative party line. If you ever criticize a Republican candidate or issue, you have liberal bias. Didn't like Bush? Liberal bias! Don't like Palin or the teabaggers? Liberal bias!
Extreme right wing zealots are similar to radical Islam in a way. There is only one way of thinking and behaving. You don't want Rush or Beck to issue a fatwa against you. That would be a political and/or economic death sentence. You worship the Bush/Reagan Holy Book and have your TV and radios preset to the only acceptable channels.
There are way too many DP members who long for a return to the 40s and 50s. They want gays and lesbians back in the closet and minorities confined to pre-assigned ghettos. Segregation would return and blacks would be relegated to back of the bus. The Ku Klux Klan would proudly ride again, legally shooting or hanging "niggers" who dared to look at them wrong.
That is what modern conservatism is all about. Blacks are second class. Hispanics and Latinos are all suspect. Muslims are all terrorists who need to be killed. Freedom of religion only applies to approved Christianity. Killing is good, but sex is bad. Promiscuous men are awesome studs, but promiscuous women are sluts and whores. Men are the rulers and should not be questioned. Women are only useful in the kitchen and bedroom. The man makes the decisions. The woman obediently agrees.
This is the general tone of DP and conservative society as a whole.
Mr. P
06-12-2010, 12:33 AM
Racism and homophobia reflect the general slant of DP management and core membership toward those issues.
One positive is that almost all topics of conversation are allowed on DP. Which is not the case on most political boards. I was banned from DU for slamming Clinton. I have similarly been banned from many conservative boards.
The primary problem with DP is the same as on all boards with a strongly conservative slant. You can't argue or debate people who already have their minds made up. If someone starts a thread about Obama being a devil worshiper, there is nothing anyone can post that will make them budge from their opinion.
Bush was good. You weren't allowed to question his flaws and bad decisions.
Obama is bad. Nasty black out to enslave all patriotic Americans.
I have banged my head against this wall way too many times. If someone quotes Fox News, a radio talking head or some right-wing blog or web site, that is the gospel. If you try to reply with your own attribution, it is dismissed as being the "liberal mainstream media." Which, of course, is "biased" and can't be trusted.
What is the "liberal mainstream media?" Any form of communication that does not endorse the conservative party line. If you ever criticize a Republican candidate or issue, you have liberal bias. Didn't like Bush? Liberal bias! Don't like Palin or the teabaggers? Liberal bias!
Extreme right wing zealots are similar to radical Islam in a way. There is only one way of thinking and behaving. You don't want Rush or Beck to issue a fatwa against you. That would be a political and/or economic death sentence. You worship the Bush/Reagan Holy Book and have your TV and radios preset to the only acceptable channels.
There are way too many DP members who long for a return to the 40s and 50s. They want gays and lesbians back in the closet and minorities confined to pre-assigned ghettos. Segregation would return and blacks would be relegated to back of the bus. The Ku Klux Klan would proudly ride again, legally shooting or hanging "niggers" who dared to look at them wrong.
That is what modern conservatism is all about. Blacks are second class. Hispanics and Latinos are all suspect. Muslims are all terrorists who need to be killed. Freedom of religion only applies to approved Christianity. Killing is good, but sex is bad. Promiscuous men are awesome studs, but promiscuous women are sluts and whores. Men are the rulers and should not be questioned. Women are only useful in the kitchen and bedroom. The man makes the decisions. The woman obediently agrees.
This is the general tone of DP and conservative society as a whole.
Check the vote on the subject...yer way wrong.
red states rule
06-12-2010, 05:46 AM
Racism and homophobia reflect the general slant of DP management and core membership toward those issues.
One positive is that almost all topics of conversation are allowed on DP. Which is not the case on most political boards. I was banned from DU for slamming Clinton. I have similarly been banned from many conservative boards.
The primary problem with DP is the same as on all boards with a strongly conservative slant. You can't argue or debate people who already have their minds made up. If someone starts a thread about Obama being a devil worshiper, there is nothing anyone can post that will make them budge from their opinion.
Bush was good. You weren't allowed to question his flaws and bad decisions.
Obama is bad. Nasty black out to enslave all patriotic Americans.
I have banged my head against this wall way too many times. If someone quotes Fox News, a radio talking head or some right-wing blog or web site, that is the gospel. If you try to reply with your own attribution, it is dismissed as being the "liberal mainstream media." Which, of course, is "biased" and can't be trusted.
What is the "liberal mainstream media?" Any form of communication that does not endorse the conservative party line. If you ever criticize a Republican candidate or issue, you have liberal bias. Didn't like Bush? Liberal bias! Don't like Palin or the teabaggers? Liberal bias!
Extreme right wing zealots are similar to radical Islam in a way. There is only one way of thinking and behaving. You don't want Rush or Beck to issue a fatwa against you. That would be a political and/or economic death sentence. You worship the Bush/Reagan Holy Book and have your TV and radios preset to the only acceptable channels.
There are way too many DP members who long for a return to the 40s and 50s. They want gays and lesbians back in the closet and minorities confined to pre-assigned ghettos. Segregation would return and blacks would be relegated to back of the bus. The Ku Klux Klan would proudly ride again, legally shooting or hanging "niggers" who dared to look at them wrong.
That is what modern conservatism is all about. Blacks are second class. Hispanics and Latinos are all suspect. Muslims are all terrorists who need to be killed. Freedom of religion only applies to approved Christianity. Killing is good, but sex is bad. Promiscuous men are awesome studs, but promiscuous women are sluts and whores. Men are the rulers and should not be questioned. Women are only useful in the kitchen and bedroom. The man makes the decisions. The woman obediently agrees.
This is the general tone of DP and conservative society as a whole.
Gabby I have offered to debate you one on one - and have tried several times to have a civil discussion with you - and you have declined.
You are desperate to make excuses these days for the failure of liberalism, and in that state of desperation you select plays from the worn out liberal playbook. Anyone who opposes Obama (and his policies) is a racist and is spreading hate
You are sprewing the same crap Dems sprew in every election. Yet when your party took over 17 months ago, we were promised economic prosperity and terrorists would stop wanting to kill Americans. Al Gore (when he was running) ran around and said how Rebublican polices will KILL people, how Grandma's SS check will be taken away, and how school children will strave if Republicans are elected
Perhaps if you took the time to explain why Obama polcies are good for America, how tax increases and increasing the debt will bring the economy back, and how increasing the cost of doing business to companies will encourage them to hire more workers - you could change the minds of most of the members here
You can start with me Gabby. Say the word, and I will start a thread where it will be just you and me
If must really make you angry to see so many Republican women having a very good shot of knocking off big time libs in CA. How many Dems are turing on Obama and the Dem party as they watch them stumble around and make the US economy worse. Are they racists as well Gabby?
People are seeing what the Dems goal is - to get as many people dependent of government handouts, and ram thru their SOCIAL aganda (even though the economy continues to sink and people lose their jobs) Perhaps if you stopped banging your head against the wall, opend your eyes, and took a long hard look at what is happening you would see Obama is in way over his head, and is not a leader
HogTrash
06-12-2010, 06:07 AM
That is what modern conservatism is all about. Blacks are second class. Hispanics and Latinos are all suspect. Muslims are all terrorists who need to be killed. Freedom of religion only applies to approved Christianity. Killing is good, but sex is bad. Promiscuous men are awesome studs, but promiscuous women are sluts and whores. Men are the rulers and should not be questioned. Women are only useful in the kitchen and bedroom. The man makes the decisions. The woman obediently agrees.
This is the general tone of DP and conservative society as a whole.I've never seen any of these examples here at DP.
Except for maybe the one about us "awsome studs"?
:D
jimnyc
06-12-2010, 06:26 AM
interesting....I find the "c" word far less offensive than the "n" word, and I am neither female or black....
Contrary to what a few liberals may think, staff will go along with the feeling of the community. If people vote to allow the "N" word, I will do a similar vote on this word and allow it if it totally opens up "freedom of speech".
Racism and homophobia reflect the general slant of DP management and core membership toward those issues.
You'll be hard pressed to find anywhere on this board where staff condones, encourages or supports racism. In fact, if you look through the majority of threads dealing with blatant racism, I suggest taking a look at the responses the OP gets and who they come from.
And yes, the majority of staff is right leaning and the majority is against homosexuality. That hardly makes us afraid of homosexuals and we certainly don't moderate based on those viewpoints.
One positive is that almost all topics of conversation are allowed on DP. Which is not the case on most political boards. I was banned from DU for slamming Clinton. I have similarly been banned from many conservative boards.
Written rules. Don't break them and you likely won't have an issue here.
The primary problem with DP is the same as on all boards with a strongly conservative slant. You can't argue or debate people who already have their minds made up. If someone starts a thread about Obama being a devil worshiper, there is nothing anyone can post that will make them budge from their opinion.
Bush was good. You weren't allowed to question his flaws and bad decisions.
Obama is bad. Nasty black out to enslave all patriotic Americans.
I have banged my head against this wall way too many times. If someone quotes Fox News, a radio talking head or some right-wing blog or web site, that is the gospel. If you try to reply with your own attribution, it is dismissed as being the "liberal mainstream media." Which, of course, is "biased" and can't be trusted.
What is the "liberal mainstream media?" Any form of communication that does not endorse the conservative party line. If you ever criticize a Republican candidate or issue, you have liberal bias. Didn't like Bush? Liberal bias! Don't like Palin or the teabaggers? Liberal bias!
Extreme right wing zealots are similar to radical Islam in a way. There is only one way of thinking and behaving. You don't want Rush or Beck to issue a fatwa against you. That would be a political and/or economic death sentence. You worship the Bush/Reagan Holy Book and have your TV and radios preset to the only acceptable channels.
There are way too many DP members who long for a return to the 40s and 50s. They want gays and lesbians back in the closet and minorities confined to pre-assigned ghettos. Segregation would return and blacks would be relegated to back of the bus. The Ku Klux Klan would proudly ride again, legally shooting or hanging "niggers" who dared to look at them wrong.
That is what modern conservatism is all about. Blacks are second class. Hispanics and Latinos are all suspect. Muslims are all terrorists who need to be killed. Freedom of religion only applies to approved Christianity. Killing is good, but sex is bad. Promiscuous men are awesome studs, but promiscuous women are sluts and whores. Men are the rulers and should not be questioned. Women are only useful in the kitchen and bedroom. The man makes the decisions. The woman obediently agrees.
This is the general tone of DP and conservative society as a whole.
If I go to a board that has a majority of members made up of liberals, will they welcome me with open arms and be 100% open minded about my viewpoints?
KarlMarx
06-12-2010, 06:48 AM
Racism and homophobia reflect the general slant of DP management and core membership toward those issues.
Racism means treating someone different based on their skin color.
So, affirmative action is racist because it prefers the members of certain races over another. People like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Lou Farrakhan are racist because they are constantly using race to stir up ill feelings between blacks and whites. When certain individuals of a certain race behave badly, liberals use the excuse of institutionalized slavery. That's racism.
Homophobia, what is that? A mental illness? Just because I believe that homosexuality is a sin and that I disagree with the radical gay agenda, I am mentally ill? That smells like the tactics of Josef Stalin who institutionalized his political opponents. Radical gays do not want discussion on the issues at hand, they want total agreement. Sorry Gabby that's not going to happen. This is a free country, we are free people, we don't have to agree with you and the Left... and thank God for that. We are seeing first hand what the policies of the Left are leading to. Poverty for all, despair, and anger.
The primary problem with DP is the same as on all boards with a strongly conservative slant.
I'm afraid that is also true of boards that have a strongly leftist slant, too. That is human nature. People who would otherwise be the best of friends become the fiercest of enemies once issues of politics comes up.
Obama is bad. Nasty black out to enslave all patriotic Americans.
Ummmm... for eight years, we've had to suffer through a non-stop liberal temper tantrum about Bush. Bush was Hitler, Bush started a war for oil, Bush botched up Katrina, Bush lied, impeach Bush... etc, etc, etc... Your side is no better than ours. This is tantamount to the pot calling the kettle black.
Extreme right wing zealots are similar to radical Islam in a way. There is only one way of thinking and behaving.
Again, the pot calling the kettle black. The Left is the master of sloganeering and manipulating public opinion to their way of thinking. "The party of No", "Bush lied, people died", "silence is death", "Reagan caused AIDS", Global Warming, the list is very long.
There are way too many DP members who long for a return to the 40s and 50s. They want gays and lesbians back in the closet and minorities confined to pre-assigned ghettos. Segregation would return and blacks would be relegated to back of the bus. The Ku Klux Klan would proudly ride again, legally shooting or hanging "niggers" who dared to look at them wrong.
This is just an insult. Maybe one poster would like to see that but that's it. Many of the posters here are women who hold jobs... don't see any posters saying "quit your job and be a housewife". I haven't seen any threads saying that we should resegregate society, nor lynch blacks, nor return to the days of the 40s and 50s. Most of us want limited government, a strong defense, a free market economy, and a public with a sense of virtue. That's what we want. Of course, you see that as a return to the days before Selma, Alabama.
That is what modern conservatism is all about. Blacks are second class. Hispanics and Latinos are all suspect. Muslims are all terrorists who need to be killed. Freedom of religion only applies to approved Christianity. Killing is good, but sex is bad. Promiscuous men are awesome studs, but promiscuous women are sluts and whores. Men are the rulers and should not be questioned. Women are only useful in the kitchen and bedroom. The man makes the decisions. The woman obediently agrees.
Again.... this is just another insult. And this is the problem with the Left. You see everything as extreme black and white. If anyone disagrees with you, even by one iota, you have them pegged out as a racist, homophobic, sexist bigot and a member of the John Birch society.
red states rule
06-12-2010, 06:53 AM
If I go to a board that has a majority of members made up of liberals, will they welcome me with open arms and be 100% open minded about my viewpoints?
There is a board I use to post on (and I think Gabby is a member there) called Progressivesonline
Yea they let conservatives post there, but one the rep gets to -10 you are then restricted to 2 posts every 24 hours
I have been told many times that "this is a progressive board and only progressive ideas are welcome"
Over at the Democrat Underground, you are told up front you MUST BE A LIBERAL
This is what libs mean by an open exchange of ideas - as long as they agree with the ideas being presented
Binky
06-12-2010, 01:18 PM
There is a board I use to post on (and I think Gabby is a member there) called Progressivesonline
Yea they let conservatives post there, but one the rep gets to -10 you are then restricted to 2 posts every 24 hours
I have been told many times that "this is a progressive board and only progressive ideas are welcome"
Over at the Democrat Underground, you are told up front you MUST BE A LIBERAL
This is what libs mean by an open exchange of ideas - as long as they agree with the ideas being presented
In other words, they are discriminating against those who are not liberals, i.e, conservatives.....
LiberalNation
06-13-2010, 04:01 PM
Look, if the community as a whole wants the N word banned too, I will oblige. But I personally see one as quite insulting while the other C word is vulgar and nobody should have to read. I'll leave it to a week long vote.
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thanks for proving my point, the mods here are racist and support racism on the board. I'm gone *****.
chloe
06-13-2010, 04:16 PM
thanks for proving my point, the mods here are racist and support racism on the board. I'm gone *****.
LN I don't agree with racism but I bet if other message boards posted a poll that people voted on the same topic anonymously you would see the same result. Racism is wrong whether its William F. Buckley or Kanye West doing it. It comes from all races not just white people. I don't think all the Mods are racist, but they don't support censorship. I don't think any words should be censored not even the "C" one and I don't mean chloe:cool:
Gaffer
06-13-2010, 05:24 PM
She's leaving? that means I won't see this any more...This message is hidden because LiberalNation is on your ignore list. Cool.
Mr. P
06-13-2010, 09:01 PM
thanks for proving my point, the mods here are racist and support racism on the board. I'm gone *****.
In other words...I stomped my feet and through a tantrum but no one listened. Waaaaaaaa I'm going home.
Someday with maturity you'll understand life ain't always what "you" want it to be, Ln.
krisy
06-13-2010, 09:15 PM
In other words...I stomped my feet and through a tantrum but no one listened. Waaaaaaaa I'm going home.
Someday with maturity you'll understand life ain't always what "you" want it to be, Ln.
No doubt. I mean,how much begging does she want? Doesn't even seem like it's about the word.
gabosaurus
06-13-2010, 10:25 PM
So LN is gone, but Grand Dragon Trash and the mystical entity alleged to be "Luna Tick" are still here? Yeah, that makes sense.
SassyLady
06-13-2010, 10:44 PM
So LN is gone, but Grand Dragon Trash and the mystical entity alleged to be "Luna Tick" are still here? Yeah, that makes sense.
Freedom of Choice Gabby ... they choose to stay and post....Libby decided to leave.
chloe
06-13-2010, 10:52 PM
I tried to get LN to stay, I don't know what else I could do. Luna Tick is a nice person, she is mostly just joking around at the board I don't see why that is any problem. She's also really smart when she's being serious.
PostmodernProphet
06-13-2010, 11:01 PM
I tried to get LN to stay, I don't know what else I could do. Luna Tick is a nice person, she is mostly just joking around at the board I don't see why that is any problem. She's also really smart when she's being serious.
you don't really think Luna Tick is a she, do you?....
chloe
06-13-2010, 11:06 PM
you don't really think Luna Tick is a she, do you?....
Luna Tick is a nice person he or she :cool:
jimnyc
06-14-2010, 08:27 AM
So LN is gone, but Grand Dragon Trash and the mystical entity alleged to be "Luna Tick" are still here? Yeah, that makes sense.
Did HogTrash break any rules? Did we not go out of our way to see if members would want the word banned from further use? What in the world did LT do to deserve anything from staff for?
Did LN go out of her way to beat the censors on this board to make her point?
Is she still allowed to post as of now?
Seems all pretty clear to me.
gabosaurus
06-14-2010, 11:36 AM
you don't really think Luna Tick is a she, do you?....
I don't think Luna Tick is an actual person. I think it is a figment of someone's demented imagination. Perhaps a reaction to someone being slapped down by an actual female and not being able to deal with it.
chloe
06-14-2010, 11:38 AM
I don't think Luna Tick is an actual person. I think it is a figment of someone's demented imagination. Perhaps a reaction to someone being slapped down by an actual female and not being able to deal with it.
Why are you so against Luna Tick?
gabosaurus
06-14-2010, 11:44 AM
It's not the person. It's the concept.
chloe
06-14-2010, 11:46 AM
It's not the person. It's the concept.
Hmm I will have to think about that.
HogTrash
06-14-2010, 12:03 PM
I don't think Luna Tick is an actual person. I think it is a figment of someone's demented imagination. Perhaps a reaction to someone being slapped down by an actual female and not being able to deal with it.You are obviously jealous of the beautiful, sexy, exciting and mysterious Luna Tick.
chloe
06-14-2010, 12:05 PM
Gabosaurus is actually quite Pretty, she looks like a famous movie star. I think she must know Luna tick in real life or something. Anyway everyone quit chasing the Liberals off the board, its boring without that diversity.
Gaffer
06-14-2010, 12:21 PM
Gabosaurus is actually quite Pretty, she looks like a famous movie star. I think she must know Luna tick in real life or something. Anyway everyone quit chasing the Liberals off the board, its boring without that diversity.
We can't help it if they run away every time they are faced with truth and facts. :poke:
Abbey Marie
06-14-2010, 12:28 PM
thanks for proving my point, the mods here are racist and support racism on the board. I'm gone *****.
:lame2: Lies.
chloe
06-14-2010, 12:29 PM
We can't help it if they run away every time they are faced with truth and facts. :poke:
I think Liberal Nation has been sincere in her posts and sometimes showing a little slack and compassion can go a long way. I like Gabby's sense of humor, Noir at least explained his views in a personal way whether you agreed or not with his opinion. I just wished they wouldn't leave, DP is like a dysfunctional messageboard but we are all in it together.
gabosaurus
06-14-2010, 02:50 PM
We can't help it if they run away every time they are faced with truth and facts.
Sometimes we "run away" because we have actually responsibilities and more important things to do. There are others who have little to do except read right wing blogs and monitor this board.
And LN is wrong in saying that the mods on this board are racist and support racism on the board. Not all of them are.
HogTrash
06-14-2010, 03:14 PM
Sometimes we "run away" because we have actually responsibilities and more important things to do. There are others who have little to do except read right wing blogs and monitor this board.
And LN is wrong in saying that the mods on this board are racist and support racism on the board. Not all of them are. :eek: What could possibly be more important than defending poor helpless negroes? :confused:
HogTrash
06-14-2010, 03:17 PM
I just had a PC moment...Aren't ya proud of me? :D
gabosaurus
06-14-2010, 04:21 PM
:eek: What could possibly be more important than defending poor helpless negroes? :confused:
Please promise us that you will never breed.
http://i50.tinypic.com/o01hzp.jpg
Nukeman
06-14-2010, 05:17 PM
:eek: What could possibly be more important than defending poor helpless negroes? :confused:
that right there is the kind of useless bull shit that comes out of your keyboard that makes people NOT take you seriously!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep spewing that type of rhetoric and you will continue to be labeled a bigot and racist!!!!!!!!!!!
PostmodernProphet
06-14-2010, 05:26 PM
I don't think Luna Tick is an actual person. I think it is a figment of someone's demented imagination. Perhaps a reaction to someone being slapped down by an actual female and not being able to deal with it.
I've always assumed the same person is behind Lunatick and Spiderman Tuba
red states rule
06-14-2010, 06:30 PM
Sometimes we "run away" because we have actually responsibilities and more important things to do. There are others who have little to do except read right wing blogs and monitor this board.
And LN is wrong in saying that the mods on this board are racist and support racism on the board. Not all of them are.
In your case Gabby I have no doubt that is your reason. But in the case of Bully, Tuba, and others - it is the fact they can't accept the truth about the ever mounting failures of Obama and the Dems
Liberals like yourself Gabby are still angry - but angry your guys are falling on their collective asses, and we are the ones pointing it out
KarlMarx
06-14-2010, 06:35 PM
I just had a PC moment...Aren't ya proud of me? :D
Hog:
As much as I agree with you on many things, I have to point two things out that I hope you take in the spirit in which it is given (and any one out there... I'd appreciate if you don't "pile on" this post...)
1. You cannot be a racist and a Christian at the same time. Sorry, there is Biblical justification for this...
Galations 3:28 - "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Also, in Acts, the apostle Philip baptized an Ethiopian (Acts 8:26-40). In fact, he was led to that man by the Holy Spirit.
These two verses convince me, without a doubt, that Christianity and racism are contrary to one another.
2. You cannot be anti-Semitic and Christian at the same time, either. Sorry, that's the way it is. Our Lord, Jesus, his Mother, Mary, St. Joseph, the Apostles and many of the first disciple were Jewish. Also, God made his covenant with Abraham and with Isaac, his son. Being anti-semitic does not conform to scripture.
I understand that many blacks and many Jews are bad people. However, there are many decent ones out there. Lumping them all together is an injustice to those decent ones.
Again, I hope that you read these passages of scripture and think very hard about what I have said. The Lord can use you in much better ways if you give up racism and anti-semitism.
KarlMarx
06-14-2010, 06:51 PM
And LN is wrong in saying that the mods on this board are racist and support racism on the board. Not all of them are.
Again, not fair, I doubt if any of the mods are racist at all.
Just because we don't agree with you does not make you "smarter than us" (as your signature points out), nor does it make us racists.
This is a free country and, in my opinion, becoming less free each day thanks to the attitudes of people in public office who hold attitudes much like yours. They make public policy that is antagonistic towards the Middle Class and denigrates the common working person in the name of some nebulous "common good".
red states rule
06-14-2010, 06:54 PM
Again, not fair, I doubt if any of the mods are racist at all.
Just because we don't agree with you does not make you "smarter than us" (as your signature points out), nor does it make us racists.
This is a free country and, in my opinion, becoming less free each day thanks to the attitudes of people in public office who hold attitudes much like yours. They make public policy that is antagonistic towards the Middle Class and denigrates the common working person in the name of some nebulous "common good".
These days Karl, if you do not blindly support Obama and his agenda - you must be a racist (according to many libs in the medai)
Luna Tick
06-14-2010, 06:58 PM
You got me. I'm a bitter and angry person because when I was in Kindergarten a boy said "tooty fruity" and punched me in the stomach and stole my cupcake. From that day onward I was filled with rage against the world and I vowed to take it out on people by going on Internet boards and making silly posts.
HogTrash
06-14-2010, 08:01 PM
Hog:
As much as I agree with you on many things, I have to point two things out that I hope you take in the spirit in which it is given (and any one out there... I'd appreciate if you don't "pile on" this post...)
1. You cannot be a racist and a Christian at the same time. Sorry, there is Biblical justification for this...
Galations 3:28 - "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Also, in Acts, the apostle Philip baptized an Ethiopian (Acts 8:26-40). In fact, he was led to that man by the Holy Spirit.
These two verses convince me, without a doubt, that Christianity and racism are contrary to one another.
2. You cannot be anti-Semitic and Christian at the same time, either. Sorry, that's the way it is. Our Lord, Jesus, his Mother, Mary, St. Joseph, the Apostles and many of the first disciple were Jewish. Also, God made his covenant with Abraham and with Isaac, his son. Being anti-semitic does not conform to scripture.
I understand that many blacks and many Jews are bad people. However, there are many decent ones out there. Lumping them all together is an injustice to those decent ones.
Again, I hope that you read these passages of scripture and think very hard about what I have said. The Lord can use you in much better ways if you give up racism and anti-semitism.I deal with idiocy by joking around, but I like you so I'll be serious for a moment and tell you the truth, KM.....When judged by the standards of political correctness, I am undeniably a racist.
But, I don't judge myself by the standards of political correctness because it is nothing more than a manmade concept, created to control the speech, thoughts, beliefs and opinions of others.
The true definition of a racist is so easy that no need of a dictionary is necessary...It is a person who hates another person based solely on their race, which is beyond the control of anyone.
And for the umpteenth time, this is not about hate...The Democrat Party has been taken over by the progressives who seek to destroy America and rebuild their marxist utopia in it's place.
All people who support the Democrat Party with their votes are also the enemies of America and 96% of blacks and nearly 80% of hispanic immigrants are loyal democrat voters.....Get it?
Luna Tick
06-14-2010, 09:23 PM
The Democrat Party has been taken over by the progressives who seek to destroy America and rebuild their marxist utopia in it's place.
Sorry, but that's complete nonsense. You may not agree with the Democrats, but they're not seeking to destroy America or to establish anything remotely resembling Marxism. Marxism is an extremely complex political and social ideology, far too complex to discuss here in a few words. Here's a link that explains it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism
Marxists seek to eliminate all social classes and to equalize incomes into a totally egalitarian state. The Democrats seek to do no such thing. Their platform is to keep the market economy in place, but for the government to take action that makes the starting line less unequal. They've done so by introducing things like Social Security, public education, etc. The idea is that through such things, you don't have to be born into a rich family to get access to ways to better yourself. The economy is still competitive, but unlike in a pure capitalist system, a poor person can get a public education and thus have a chance to build himself up and develop his talents. That way someone who's father was a street sweeper can grow up to be in a better profession such as a doctor or a lawyer. The incomes of these professions are not equalized as they would be under Marxism. All industry is not publicly owned as it would be under Marxism.
You have the right to your opinion, but not the right to your own facts. And the fact is Democrats and liberals are very different from Marxists.
HogTrash
06-15-2010, 09:57 AM
Sorry, but that's complete nonsense. You may not agree with the Democrats, but they're not seeking to destroy America or to establish anything remotely resembling Marxism. Marxism is an extremely complex political and social ideology, far too complex to discuss here in a few words. Here's a link that explains it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism
Marxists seek to eliminate all social classes and to equalize incomes into a totally egalitarian state. The Democrats seek to do no such thing. Their platform is to keep the market economy in place, but for the government to take action that makes the starting line less unequal. They've done so by introducing things like Social Security, public education, etc. The idea is that through such things, you don't have to be born into a rich family to get access to ways to better yourself. The economy is still competitive, but unlike in a pure capitalist system, a poor person can get a public education and thus have a chance to build himself up and develop his talents. That way someone who's father was a street sweeper can grow up to be in a better profession such as a doctor or a lawyer. The incomes of these professions are not equalized as they would be under Marxism. All industry is not publicly owned as it would be under Marxism.
You have the right to your opinion, but not the right to your own facts. And the fact is Democrats and liberals are very different from Marxists.Your hearts in the right place, but your mind is not LT.
The Democrat Party is now controlled by progressives.
Liberals are not progressives, but simply their ignorant pawns.
"Progressive" is nothing more than the modern sanitized word for "Marxist".
Maxine Waters knows what it's all about and confirmed it in this 'ooops' moment she let slip out.
Watch her colleagues squirm as the cat escapes the bag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0BdKkEKTrs&feature=related
Open your mind and you will see where the Democrat Party is headed...They really no longer bother to conceal it.
gabosaurus
06-15-2010, 10:26 AM
I've always assumed the same person is behind Lunatick and Spiderman Tuba
It's like you have been reading my mind. Thanks for your brilliant observation.
Again, not fair, I doubt if any of the mods are racist at all.
I disagree.
gabosaurus
06-15-2010, 10:30 AM
These days Karl, if you do not blindly support Obama and his agenda - you must be a racist (according to many libs in the medai)
What about those who blindly supported Bush and his agenda? We were told that we supported terrorism if we didn't.
red states rule
06-15-2010, 10:32 AM
What about those who blindly supported Bush and his agenda? We were told that we supported terrorism if we didn't.
And once again, the only reply a loyal liberal can up with is go back to Bush. Gabby, what happened to all that hope and change we were promised? What happened to Obama changing the way things are done in DC?
Gabby, libs did support terrorists by smearing the troops, feeding the liberal media with classified documents that were publicshed on the front page, and by elected Dems doing all they could to tell us how the war was lost and how we had to surrender
Are you going to reply to post # 72?
Kathianne
06-15-2010, 10:38 AM
What about those who blindly supported Bush and his agenda? We were told that we supported terrorism if we didn't.
Few 'blindly supported Bush.' In fact, quite a lot of criticism of him, even in 2004. I don't remember charges of racism however.
red states rule
06-15-2010, 10:48 AM
Few 'blindly supported Bush.' In fact, quite a lot of criticism of him, even in 2004. I don't remember charges of racism however.
Pres Bush has hit from the right on Harriet Myers, spending, deficits, immigration, border security, not having surge in Iraq soon enough, and Rx drug bill to name a few
gabosaurus
06-15-2010, 06:54 PM
In your case Gabby I have no doubt that is your reason. But in the case of Bully, Tuba, and others - it is the fact they can't accept the truth about the ever mounting failures of Obama and the Dems
Liberals like yourself Gabby are still angry - but angry your guys are falling on their collective asses, and we are the ones pointing it out
I'm not angry about anything. Conservative Republicans are the ones that are angry. Look at all the anti-Obama threads on this board.
I was angry that Bush allowed America to be attacked. I was angry that the Bushies invented a false reason to attack a sovereign country. I was told to stand down and that it wasn't my place to question the President of the United States. I was t old that we all had to stand together behind our leaders, even if we didn't agree with his decisions.
I personally don't think that Obama has "fallen on his ass" yet. But that is just my perception. I don't read the right-wing blogs or have Fox or the radio talking heads to tell me otherwise.
I thought Bush was an ass for eight years. But my points were always overruled by the conservative majority, who presented reams of hate speech as proof.
Everyone believes what they want to believe. Whether it is correct or not.
PostmodernProphet
06-15-2010, 07:17 PM
It's like you have been reading my mind.
why do I feel the urge to take a bath or two.....
HogTrash
06-15-2010, 08:51 PM
Few 'blindly supported Bush.' In fact, quite a lot of criticism of him, even in 2004. I don't remember charges of racism however.Bush W was accused of racism because of his lack of compassion for the plight of the poor negro victims of Katrina. :boohoo:
Kathianne
06-16-2010, 03:52 AM
Bush W was accused of racism because of his lack of compassion for the plight of the poor negro victims of Katrina. :boohoo:
Well obviously, but it's not the President being labeled that's the problem, rather his opposition. The opponents of Bush were not labeled in such a way, the worst accusation would be 'unpatriotic' and that would be from the far, far right. Those that thought that ever expanding the Patriot Act and other terrorist legislation would be good.
Psychoblues
06-16-2010, 04:06 AM
"poor negro victims of Katrina". That alone says plenty. Trash is a pretty good nomenclature.
:beer::salute::beer:
Psychoblues
HogTrash
06-16-2010, 06:01 AM
"poor negro victims of Katrina". That alone says plenty. Trash is a pretty good nomenclature.
:beer::salute::beer:
PsychobluesYou may speak but only when spoken to, and that will only be when I need a shoe shine boy. :beer: :salute: :beer:
red states rule
06-16-2010, 06:06 AM
Bush W was accused of racism because of his lack of compassion for the plight of the poor negro victims of Katrina. :boohoo:
Now Obama can be accused of racism because of his lack of compassion for the plight of southern white victims of the oil spill
Just as ridiculous
Luna Tick
06-17-2010, 09:12 PM
Your hearts in the right place, but your mind is not LT.
The Democrat Party is now controlled by progressives.
Liberals are not progressives, but simply their ignorant pawns.
"Progressive" is nothing more than the modern sanitized word for "Marxist".
Maxine Waters knows what it's all about and confirmed it in this 'ooops' moment she let slip out.
Watch her colleagues squirm as the cat escapes the bag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0BdKkEKTrs&feature=related
Open your mind and you will see where the Democrat Party is headed...They really no longer bother to conceal it.
Simply untrue. I explained the difference between liberals and Marxists. They're not one and the same. You might not like either, but that doesn't make them the same.
Gaffer
06-17-2010, 09:21 PM
Simply untrue. I explained the difference between liberals and Marxists. They're not one and the same. You might not like either, but that doesn't make them the same.
The liberals are the ones that let the marxists in, they are now being controlled.
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