Poland gets it RIGHT. "Increasing # of Homosexuals = Bad for Society"

[darin]

One of the last honest-Politicians left?



WARSAW, Poland (AP) - Poland's conservative prime minister rejected European Union criticism Thursday of a proposal to fire teachers for "homosexual propaganda," saying it was not in the interest of society to have more gay people.

Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski said homosexuals did not face discrimination in his country, responding to an EU parliament vote to send a mission to Poland to investigate recent anti-gay comments by senior officials.

"Nobody is limiting gay rights in Poland," Kaczynski told reporters hours after the vote.

"However, if we're talking about not having homosexual propaganda in Polish schools, I fully agree with those who feel this way," he said. "Such propaganda should not be in schools; it definitely doesn't serve youth well."

"It's not in the interest of any society to increase the number of homosexuals—that's obvious."

Last month, Deputy Education Minister Miroslaw Orzechowski said teachers deemed to be promoting "homosexual culture" in schools would be fired, and the ministry announced it would draw up corresponding legislation.

The ministry has not defined what it means by efforts to promote homosexuality and has yet to submit the legislation, according to the parliamentary press office.

The EU parliament called on Polish authorities to publicly condemn and take measures against declarations by officials "inciting discrimination and hatred based on sexual orientation."

The assembly asked the EU's anti-racism center in Vienna to look into "the emerging climate of racist, xenophobic and homophobic intolerance in Poland," and to determine whether the bloc's anti-discrimination rules were being violated.

The resolution—sponsored by the Socialists, Liberals and Greens but largely opposed by conservative lawmakers—was likely to strain EU- Poland relations further. Since joining the EU in 2004, Poland has clashed with the bloc on a variety of issues, from the environment to the economy.

The vast majority of Poland's 38 million people are members of the Roman Catholic church, which considers homosexual behavior sinful. Kaczynski's Law and Justice party, which won parliamentary elections in September 2005, has stressed Catholic values. The party governs with the small, right-wing League of Polish Families, which is militantly anti-abortion and anti-gay rights.

Robert Biedron, the head of Poland's Campaign Against Homophobia, condemned Kaczynski's statements, calling them "old homophobic comments, full of hatred and intolerance toward homosexuals."

"It's an old tune from this government," he said.

During a visit to Germany earlier this year, Education Minister Roman Giertych, the leader of the League of Polish Families, said "one must limit homosexual propaganda so that children won't have an improper view of family."

Human Rights Watch has sent a letter to Kaczynski saying it fears the measure would bar safe sex education and lead to the expulsion or dropping out of gay students.

President Lech Kaczynksi—the prime minister's brother—refused to grant parade permits for gay rights marches while he served as mayor of Warsaw, although a gathering was held anyway, in front of his office. (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8OOFTCO5&show_article=1)

[Hagbard Celine]

You can't create more gay people and you can't prevent people from being gay either. It's one of those things that's going to happen or it isn't--naturally. This is yet another instance of a population-gone-schitzoid over something they shouldn't be trying to "suppress" in the first place.

[darin]

You can't create more gay people and you can't prevent people from being gay either. It's one of those things that's going to happen or it isn't--naturally. This is yet another instance of a population-gone-schitzoid over something they shouldn't be trying to "suppress" in the first place.


In strictly biological terms - especially from the point of view of Evolution - Homosexuality is a biological DEFECT and only a detriment to society.

[typomaniac]

It's still ridiculous to conclude that any kind of "propaganda" about homosexuality will ever make a straight person turn gay at any age.

[darin]

It's still ridiculous to conclude that any kind of "propaganda" about homosexuality will ever make a straight person turn gay at any age.

Nobody 'turns' gay. People start 'being' gay. When a kid has daddy-issues or an uncle who has been molesting him for 5 years, and cries about 'not fitting in' it's VERY easy for a kid THAT jacked up to turn to homosexuality as an outlet for what's REALLY missing in his life. Keeping SCHOOLS out of the issue only helps.

[Gaffer]

Faggots are recruited, not born that way. That's what these programs in schools are designed for.

I suggest they start putting these programs into effect in all muslims schools. It will help reduce their population emensely.

[typomaniac]

Nobody 'turns' gay. People start 'being' gay. When a kid has daddy-issues or an uncle who has been molesting him for 5 years, and cries about 'not fitting in' it's VERY easy for a kid THAT jacked up to turn to homosexuality as an outlet for what's REALLY missing in his life. Keeping SCHOOLS out of the issue only helps.If a kid like that 'starts [out] being' straight, he'll end up straight. And if meanwhile he spends some time experimenting with the other team, well.......

:gives:

[darin]

I give a fuck, because doing that will JACK with a person's mind and leave them dead, morally, physically, and spiritually.

[avatar4321]

You can't create more gay people and you can't prevent people from being gay either. It's one of those things that's going to happen or it isn't--naturally. This is yet another instance of a population-gone-schitzoid over something they shouldn't be trying to "suppress" in the first place.

If you cant create more gay people, why the propaganda designed to?

[avatar4321]

I give a fuck, because doing that will JACK with a person's mind and leave them dead, morally, physically, and spiritually.

Just be grateful that Christ can bring them life.

[typomaniac]

If you cant create more gay people, why the propaganda designed to?Maybe it's actually designed to keep losers from harassing gays and perhaps beating them to death. :poke:

[Hagbard Celine]

In strictly biological terms - especially from the point of view of Evolution - Homosexuality is a biological DEFECT and only a detriment to society.

Homosexuality doesn't have anything to do with evolution. Evolution doesn't have an end result or a purpose. It's a process like weather or erosion. It's just a natural process that guides biological development. It's not a religion or an ethos or any of the things you seem to think it is.

Homosexuality may be a defect--I think a more accurate phrase is sexual deviancy--but it has no detrimental effect on society. If anything, it adds diversity and another point of view to society, both of which are good things.

[Hagbard Celine]

If you cant create more gay people, why the propaganda designed to?

What on earth are you talking about? If you're referring to the fact that gays encourage everyone to accept homosexuality as normal, you're way off. Anyone who is not gay is not going to engage in homosexual acts, they're just not. Encouraging society to accept homosexuals rather than judging and ostracizing them doesn't seek to create "new" homosexuals, it encourages those with homosexual tendencies to be unashamed of who they are.

[darin]

Homosexuality doesn't have anything to do with evolution. Evolution doesn't have an end result or a purpose. It's a process like weather or erosion. It's just a natural process that guides biological development.

Homosexuality may be a defect--I think a more accurate phrase is sexual deviancy--but it has no detrimental effect on society. If anything, it adds diversity and another point of view to society, both of which are good things.

Except Homosexuality SHOULD be disappearing if Evolution is a true theory - and did you just write that homosexuality brings GOOD things to society? WOW. Dude...How you define 'good' really disturbs me.

[Hagbard Celine]

Except Homosexuality SHOULD be disappearing if Evolution is a true theory - and did you just write that homosexuality brings GOOD things to society? WOW. Dude...How you define 'good' really disturbs me.

No, you're wrong again. Like I said, evolution doesn't have a pre-determined end result. It's an environmentally stimulated/random process so the diversity we see in ours and all other species all over the planet is perfectly in sync with the theory of evolution.

And yes, homosexuality brings diversity to human society, which is a good thing. Not to mention the many homosexuals throughout history who have contributed things to humanity.

[typomaniac]

Except Homosexuality SHOULD be disappearing if Evolution is a true theory - and did you just write that homosexuality brings GOOD things to society? WOW. Dude...How you define 'good' really disturbs me.Many biologists think that homosexuality is just another evolutionary mechanism for population control.

[darin]

Many biologists think that homosexuality is just another evolutionary mechanism for population control.

That'd be dumb. :) It's neat - I suppose - but dumb.

[typomaniac]

That'd be dumb. :) It's neat - I suppose - but dumb.Are you a biologist? :poke:

(I'm not, which is why I was just paraphrasing what some of them believe and not editorializing on the theory itself.)

[Hagbard Celine]

Are you a biologist? :poke:

(I'm not, which is why I was just paraphrasing what some of them believe and not editorializing on the theory itself.)

Evolution doesn't have "population control measures" built into it. Any population "controls" if there are such things, would more than likely be built into an ecosystem rather than evolution. It would have to do with the environment's ability to support only a certain number of individual organisms. When the number got too high to support, the environment would "crash" in some manner leading to a drop in population. Since homosexuality isn't in any way connected to any ecosystem I'm aware of--other than the broadway musical ecosystem--I think any "scientist" who actually subscribes to this idea is probably either a quack or some kind of religious fundie masquerading as a scientist.

[Trigg]

You can't create more gay people and you can't prevent people from being gay either. It's one of those things that's going to happen or it isn't--naturally. This is yet another instance of a population-gone-schitzoid over something they shouldn't be trying to "suppress" in the first place.

The article says nothing about suppressing it.

Schools teach sexuality and function, how to prevent pregnancy and STD's, they don't need to teach about homosexuals. The only reason to do that is to teach children it is normal, which many in this overwhelmingly Catholic country rightly disagree with.

[glockmail]

You can't create more gay people and you can't prevent people from being gay either. It's one of those things that's going to happen or it isn't--naturally. This is yet another instance of a population-gone-schitzoid over something they shouldn't be trying to "suppress" in the first place. Bullshit. The Queer Agenda has been attempting to brainwash the public for years, from exaggerating the real pecentage in the population, calling it "normal", "natural", "healthy", and "moral", all lies, and starting with the youngest children. Why all this effort if not to influence behaivior?

[glockmail]

It's still ridiculous to conclude that any kind of "propaganda" about homosexuality will ever make a straight person turn gay at any age. Just like turning a liberal into a conservative or vice versa. Not easy yet done every day.

[Pale Rider]

Robert Biedron, the head of Poland's Campaign Against Homophobia, condemned Kaczynski's statements, calling them "old homophobic comments, full of hatred and intolerance toward homosexuals."

We just hear that OVER and OVER!

IT IS NOT HOMOPHOBIC OR HATEFUL TO OPPOSE THE HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA!!!

[-Cp]

No, you're wrong again. Like I said, evolution doesn't have a pre-determined end result. It's an environmentally stimulated/random process so the diversity we see in ours and all other species all over the planet is perfectly in sync with the theory of evolution.

And yes, homosexuality brings diversity to human society, which is a good thing. Not to mention the many homosexuals throughout history who have contributed things to humanity.

If looking at another dude's hairy bung-hole gives a fag a hard-on than you have a JACKED UP sense of "good things" -

If taking a trip down the Hershey Highway is a "good thing" because its "diverse" than again your JACKED UP

Let's see what fags have contributed:

1. Aids
2. Ass Rash
3. Fletching
4. Gerbals
5. STD's

Yeah -wow... we're SOO happy that queers prefer poop than vagina.....

[Hagbard Celine]

The article says nothing about suppressing it.

Schools teach sexuality and function, how to prevent pregnancy and STD's, they don't need to teach about homosexuals. The only reason to do that is to teach children it is normal, which many in this overwhelmingly Catholic country rightly disagree with.
What's wrong with teaching them that sometimes people with a certain disposition opt for same sex? What if it helped some confused, closeted fudgepacker or some lonely, willowy carpet muncher to explore and find their true selves?

[Hagbard Celine]

If looking at another dude's hairy bung-hole gives a fag a hard-on than you have a JACKED UP sense of "good things" -

If taking a trip down the Hershey Highway is a "good thing" because its "diverse" than again your JACKED UP

Let's see what fags have contributed:

1. Aids
2. Ass Rash
3. Fletching
4. Gerbals
5. STD's

Yeah -wow... we're SOO happy that queers prefer poop than vagina.....

I wasn't referring to their sexual preference genius. I was referring to the various homos throughout history who have contributed positive things in the arts, sciences, politics, religion, etc. Alexander the Great for instance.

[typomaniac]

I wasn't referring to their sexual preference genius. I was referring to the various homos throughout history who have contributed positive things in the arts, sciences, politics, religion, etc. Alexander the Great for instance.In his day, homosex was actually fashionable. (Neither for the first nor the last time in history, most likely.)

[Hagbard Celine]

In his day, homosex was actually fashionable. (Neither for the first nor the last time in history, most likely.)

Well, the Greeks revered the human form both male and female for its beauty plus many men were soldiers and spent months and years away from their wives so they had to gain "release" somehow. My point is that queers can contribute to society without their sexuality interfering the same as heteros can.

[Trigg]

It's still ridiculous to conclude that any kind of "propaganda" about homosexuality will ever make a straight person turn gay at any age.

If you had ever had a child come home from school informing you what their teacher had told them you would realize that MOST children believe everything the teacher says.

I have heard "but my teacher said ___________" to many times to count.

If the teacher says homosexuality is normal these kids will believe it. And guess what, a large percentage DON'T THINK IT'S NORMAL, you might disagree with this and that is your choice. The rest of us don't want our children endoctrinated, thank you very much.

[Hagbard Celine]

If you had ever had a child come home from school informing you what their teacher had told them you would realize that MOST children believe everything the teacher says.

I have heard "but my teacher said ___________" to many times to count.

If the teacher says homosexuality is normal these kids will believe it. And guess what, a large percentage DON'T THINK IT'S NORMAL, you might disagree with this and that is your choice. The rest of us don't want our children endoctrinated, thank you very much.

So what if they think it's normal. That doesn't mean they will be gay.

[Trigg]

What's wrong with teaching them that sometimes people with a certain disposition opt for same sex? What if it helped some confused, closeted fudgepacker or some lonely, willowy carpet muncher to explore and find their true selves?

What's wrong with teaching them beatiality (sp)? Maybe some poor closeted sheep lover needs to find themself???

Schools do not need to teach sexuality. They need to teach the plumbing, diseases and how NOT to get pregnant. The rest the person and their family can deal with together.

[typomaniac]

What's wrong with teaching them beatiality (sp)? Maybe some poor closeted sheep lover needs to find themself???Ever heard the phrase "consenting adult?" In legalese, "adult" refers to a human being.
Schools do not need to teach sexuality. They need to teach the plumbing, diseases and how NOT to get pregnant.All of which requires some simple background knowledge about sexuality, doesn't it?

[Hagbard Celine]

What's wrong with teaching them beatiality (sp)? Maybe some poor closeted sheep lover needs to find themself???

Schools do not need to teach sexuality. They need to teach the plumbing, diseases and how NOT to get pregnant. The rest the person and their family can deal with together.

Now that's just silly. We all know that only Irish people do that.

[Trigg]

Ever heard the phrase "consenting adult?" In legalese, "adult" refers to a human being.All of which requires some simple background knowledge about sexuality, doesn't it?

Hang on there sparky, we're not talking adults here, we're talking about impressionable CHILDREN.

They do not need to be taught questionable sexuality.

[Trigg]

Now that's just silly. We all know that only Irish people do that.


:rolleyes:

[typomaniac]

Hang on there sparky, we're not talking adults here, we're talking about impressionable CHILDREN.Don't know about you, but I wasn't suggesting that it's a good idea to teach children to have sex before adulthood, or with anyone besides other adults. Ever.

[Trigg]

Don't know about you, but I wasn't suggesting that it's a good idea to teach children to have sex before adulthood, or with anyone besides other adults. Ever.

Then why teach it in schools??? I

[typomaniac]

Then why teach it in schools??? For the same reason schools teach about hetero sex: to let kids know that it exists before too many of their friends tell them ridiculous fictions about it.
:smoke:

[Trigg]

For the same reason schools teach about hetero sex: to let kids know that it exists before too many of their friends tell them ridiculous fictions about it.
:smoke:


They teach sex in the context of pregnancy and childbirth.

There are many fetishes and abnormal practices that are not, and do not, need to be taught to impressionable chiildren.

[typomaniac]

They teach sex in the context of pregnancy and childbirth.

There are many fetishes and abnormal practices that are not, and do not, need to be taught to impressionable chiildren.It's better that children should know, in a general way, about other kinds of sex than that they should have to learn it "on the street."

[Trigg]

It's better that children should know, in a general way, about other kinds of sex than that they should have to learn it "on the street."

We disagree. The school is not there to teach about different kinds of sex. That is what parents are for.

Children need to learn about how their body works and how that relates to pregnancy and preventing STDs period.

If you open up discussion on homosexuality your opening up all the other averent behavior that is out there. Homosexuality is not normal, beastiality is not normal, gerbaling is not normal, there are many things that CHILDREN do not need to be taught.

Just because YOU think gays are normal does not mean that MY child needs to be taught about it.

[typomaniac]

We disagree. The school is not there to teach about different kinds of sex. That is what parents are for.Unfortunately that doesn't always work. Such is the price of living in a nation of immigrants from many cultures, where some parents couldn't imagine having those kinds of conversations. Many cultures are far weirder about sex than others.
Children need to learn about how their body works and how that relates to pregnancy and preventing STDs period.Agreed: which is why they need to know that STDs come from homo sex also.
If you open up discussion on homosexuality your opening up all the other averent behavior that is out there. Homosexuality is not normal, beastiality is not normal, gerbaling is not normal, there are many things that CHILDREN do not need to be taught.It still exists. So there's no reason to pretend to pre-teen kids that it doesn't. They're not stupid, generally.
Just because YOU think gays are normal does not mean that MY child needs to be taught about it.I don't think they're normal (they're in the minority after all), but if you disapprove of having your child learn about them you can always homeschool your child. So much for your argument.

[Nukeman]

), but if you disapprove of having your child learn about them you can always homeschool your child. So much for your argument.


Why not just homeschool the kids that want to learn about homosexuality?? If you feel it is appropriate for the kids who's parents are against homosexual indoctrination, why not turn that around and let the parents who are for it homeschool thier own chlidren. I will bet you whatever amount you want that the majority of parents DONT want thier children taught these subjects and the ones that DO are in the vast minority. so we should just let them be the ones that are homeshcooled dont you think.... Takes care of the problem for the majority of the US population!!!!

[Nuc]

I suggest they start putting these programs into effect in all muslims schools. It will help reduce their population emensely.

Nope, Muslims are notorious bisexuals. In fact they have a saying, "Boys for pleasure, women for children, but a melon for delight."

Don't ask what they do with the melon.

[typomaniac]

Why not just homeschool the kids that want to learn about homosexuality?? If you feel it is appropriate for the kids who's parents are against homosexual indoctrination, why not turn that around and let the parents who are for it homeschool thier own chlidren. I will bet you whatever amount you want that the majority of parents DONT want thier children taught these subjects and the ones that DO are in the vast minority. so we should just let them be the ones that are homeshcooled dont you think.... Takes care of the problem for the majority of the US population!!!!And while we're at it, perhaps we should let the parents decide whether schools should teach evolution or creation, huh? :poke:

[TheSage]

Homosexuality doesn't have anything to do with evolution. Evolution doesn't have an end result or a purpose. It's a process like weather or erosion. It's just a natural process that guides biological development. It's not a religion or an ethos or any of the things you seem to think it is.

Homosexuality may be a defect--I think a more accurate phrase is sexual deviancy--but it has no detrimental effect on society. If anything, it adds diversity and another point of view to society, both of which are good things.

Maybe people who choose a lifestyle of strict dog shit eating are good for society too! Hey. Maybe hitting yourself on the head with a hammer repeatedly on purpose is a good idea! It's different too!