lily
04-25-2007, 09:32 PM
It seems like most of the threads here are discussing Religion, but Ethics was also in the title, so I thought I would post this here.
I admit that the mother's statement of she wanted her child to die naturally the way God wanted it, while a ventilator was breathing for him kind of threw me for a loop as did all the experts saying the child was in pain.......but putting all that aside, I think it is the mother's wishes that should be upheld, not the courts, not the hospital and certainly not Medicade. This law needs to be overturned.
Also, if it was reversed and the mother said enough, and the state said no, I would also be on the mother's side. This is a choice that needs to be made by family and no one else.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/04/25/baby.emilio/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
Fight over baby's life support divides ethicists
By Elizabeth Cohen
AUSTIN, Texas (CNN) -- When Emilio Gonzales lies in his mother's arms,
sometimes he'll make a facial expression that his mother says is a smile.
But the nurse who's standing right next to her thinks he's grimacing in
pain.
Which one it is -- an expression of happiness or of suffering -- is a
crucial point in an ethical debate that has pitted the mother of a dying
child against a children's hospital, and medical ethicists against each
other.
Emilio is 17 months old and has a rare genetic disorder that's ravaging his
central nervous system. He cannot see, speak, or eat. A ventilator breathes
for him in the Pediatric Intensive Care Unit at Austin Children's Hospital,
where he's been since December. Without the ventilator, Emilio would die
within hours.
The hospital contends that keeping Emilio alive on a ventilator is painful
for the toddler and useless against his illness -- Leigh's disease, a rare
degenerative disorder that has no cure.
Under Texas law, Children's has the right to withdraw life support if
medical experts deem it medically inappropriate.
Emilio's mother, Catarina Gonzales, on the other hand, is fighting to keep
her son on the ventilator, allowing him to die "naturally, the way God
intended."
The two sides have been in and out of courts, with the next hearing
scheduled for May 8.
The case, and the Texas law, have divided medical ethicists. Art Caplan, an
ethicist at the University of Pennsylvania, supports the Texas law giving
the hospital the right to make life or death decisions even if the family
disagrees. "There are occasions when family members just don't get it
right," he said. "No parent should have the right to cause suffering to a
kid in a futile situation."
But Dr. Lainie Ross, a pediatrician and medical ethicist at the University
of Chicago, says she thinks Emilio's mother, not the doctors, should be able
to decide whether Emilio's life is worth living. "Who am I to judge what's a
good quality of life?" she said. "If this were my kid, I'd have pulled the
ventilator months ago, but this isn't my kid."
The law, signed in 1999 by then-Gov. George W. Bush, gives Texas hospitals
the authority to stop treatment if doctors say the treatment is
"inappropriate" -- even if the family wants the medical care to continue.
The statute was inspired by a growing debate in medical and legal
communities over when to declare medical treatment futile.
Dr. Ross says that under the law, some dozen times hospitals have pulled the
plug against the family's wishes. She says more often than not, the law is
used against poor families. "The law is going to be used more commonly
against poor, vulnerable populations. If this family could pay for a nurse
to take care of the boy at home, we wouldn't be having this conversation,"
she said.
Emilio is on Medicaid, which usually doesn't pay for all hospital charges.
The hospital's spokesman said that he doesn't know how much it's costing the
hospital to keep Emilio alive, but that cost was not a consideration in the
hospital's decision.
"[Our medical treatments] are inflicting suffering," said Michael Regier,
senior vice president for legal affairs and general counsel for the Seton
Family of Hospitals, of which Austin Children's is a member. "We are
inflicting harm on this child. And it's harm that is without a corresponding
medical benefit."
"It's one thing to harm a child and know this is something I can cure," he
added. "But that's not the case here." Regier says Emilio is unaware of his
surroundings, and grimaces in pain. He said the ventilator tube down his
throat is painful, as is a therapy in which hospital staff beat on his chest
to loosen thick secretions.
But Gonzales says her son is on heavy doses of morphine and not in pain. She
said her son does react to her. "I put my finger in his hand, and I'm
talking to him, and he'll squeeze it," she says. "Then he'll open his eyes
and look at me."
Gonzales said she'll continue to fight for treatment for her son. "I love my
kid so much, I have to fight for him," she said. "That's your job -- you
fight for your son or your daughter. You don't let nobody push you around or
make decisions for you."
I admit that the mother's statement of she wanted her child to die naturally the way God wanted it, while a ventilator was breathing for him kind of threw me for a loop as did all the experts saying the child was in pain.......but putting all that aside, I think it is the mother's wishes that should be upheld, not the courts, not the hospital and certainly not Medicade. This law needs to be overturned.
Also, if it was reversed and the mother said enough, and the state said no, I would also be on the mother's side. This is a choice that needs to be made by family and no one else.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/04/25/baby.emilio/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
Fight over baby's life support divides ethicists
By Elizabeth Cohen
AUSTIN, Texas (CNN) -- When Emilio Gonzales lies in his mother's arms,
sometimes he'll make a facial expression that his mother says is a smile.
But the nurse who's standing right next to her thinks he's grimacing in
pain.
Which one it is -- an expression of happiness or of suffering -- is a
crucial point in an ethical debate that has pitted the mother of a dying
child against a children's hospital, and medical ethicists against each
other.
Emilio is 17 months old and has a rare genetic disorder that's ravaging his
central nervous system. He cannot see, speak, or eat. A ventilator breathes
for him in the Pediatric Intensive Care Unit at Austin Children's Hospital,
where he's been since December. Without the ventilator, Emilio would die
within hours.
The hospital contends that keeping Emilio alive on a ventilator is painful
for the toddler and useless against his illness -- Leigh's disease, a rare
degenerative disorder that has no cure.
Under Texas law, Children's has the right to withdraw life support if
medical experts deem it medically inappropriate.
Emilio's mother, Catarina Gonzales, on the other hand, is fighting to keep
her son on the ventilator, allowing him to die "naturally, the way God
intended."
The two sides have been in and out of courts, with the next hearing
scheduled for May 8.
The case, and the Texas law, have divided medical ethicists. Art Caplan, an
ethicist at the University of Pennsylvania, supports the Texas law giving
the hospital the right to make life or death decisions even if the family
disagrees. "There are occasions when family members just don't get it
right," he said. "No parent should have the right to cause suffering to a
kid in a futile situation."
But Dr. Lainie Ross, a pediatrician and medical ethicist at the University
of Chicago, says she thinks Emilio's mother, not the doctors, should be able
to decide whether Emilio's life is worth living. "Who am I to judge what's a
good quality of life?" she said. "If this were my kid, I'd have pulled the
ventilator months ago, but this isn't my kid."
The law, signed in 1999 by then-Gov. George W. Bush, gives Texas hospitals
the authority to stop treatment if doctors say the treatment is
"inappropriate" -- even if the family wants the medical care to continue.
The statute was inspired by a growing debate in medical and legal
communities over when to declare medical treatment futile.
Dr. Ross says that under the law, some dozen times hospitals have pulled the
plug against the family's wishes. She says more often than not, the law is
used against poor families. "The law is going to be used more commonly
against poor, vulnerable populations. If this family could pay for a nurse
to take care of the boy at home, we wouldn't be having this conversation,"
she said.
Emilio is on Medicaid, which usually doesn't pay for all hospital charges.
The hospital's spokesman said that he doesn't know how much it's costing the
hospital to keep Emilio alive, but that cost was not a consideration in the
hospital's decision.
"[Our medical treatments] are inflicting suffering," said Michael Regier,
senior vice president for legal affairs and general counsel for the Seton
Family of Hospitals, of which Austin Children's is a member. "We are
inflicting harm on this child. And it's harm that is without a corresponding
medical benefit."
"It's one thing to harm a child and know this is something I can cure," he
added. "But that's not the case here." Regier says Emilio is unaware of his
surroundings, and grimaces in pain. He said the ventilator tube down his
throat is painful, as is a therapy in which hospital staff beat on his chest
to loosen thick secretions.
But Gonzales says her son is on heavy doses of morphine and not in pain. She
said her son does react to her. "I put my finger in his hand, and I'm
talking to him, and he'll squeeze it," she says. "Then he'll open his eyes
and look at me."
Gonzales said she'll continue to fight for treatment for her son. "I love my
kid so much, I have to fight for him," she said. "That's your job -- you
fight for your son or your daughter. You don't let nobody push you around or
make decisions for you."