Palin On Fire - Brings House Down In New Orleans

[red states rule]

The more I see and here Sarah Palin, the more I like her. She has a fire that was not allowed to be on display in the last election.

She ripped Obama a new one in her speech

As while the liberal media and the rank and file libs hate her with a passion - she continues to speak out and say what so many Americans are thinking


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[crin63]

I love Caribou Barbie. Libs can call her any derogatory names they like but she's got my vote. I had read about her months before McCain picked her as his running mate and was impressed with the things I had read.

[red states rule]

I love Caribou Barbie. Libs can call her any derogatory names they like but she's got my vote. I had read about her months before McCain picked her as his running mate and was impressed with the things I had read.

Crin. it looks like Ms Palin is showing America the real Sarah Palin. She is no longer being held in check by the idiots who ran the McCan campaign

She is able to travel America and call Obama out on his long and ever increasing list of blunders, mistakes, and lies

The way she took Obama to school over his insane nuclear weapons polciy was great to watch. I suspect the Obama War Room is working overtime to come with ways they can attack and smear her.

Like with Obamcare, taxes, and spending - it is obvious they can't debate the substance of Obama's nuclear weapon policy - they will lose when the facts and common sense ebter the discussion

[red states rule]

More on Ms. Palin. this time on domestic issues

Hey libs and Obama supporters, how do you like a strong does of common sense instead of the tired and worn out bumper sticker slogans Obama gives you?

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[Joe Steel]

The more I see and here Sarah Palin, the more I like her. She has a fire that was not allowed to be on display in the last election.

She ripped Obama a new one in her speech

As while the liberal media and the rank and file libs hate her with a passion - she continues to speak out and say what so many Americans are thinking

What her fans are doing isn't "thinking." For the most part, it's just fixation on myths, misconceptions and extremist ideology.

[red states rule]

What her fans are doing isn't "thinking." For the most part, it's just fixation on myths, misconceptions and extremist ideology.

Hey Joe, how is that hope and change doing? Even a CBS poll has Obama at an all time low

People are not happy with liberalism run wild

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/04/02/image6356672.gif

[pete311]

The day Palin is pres is the day I rescind my citizenship.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e6E

Even the McCain team realized how completely stupid she is. Anyone can spout some fancy preconstructed rhetoric.

RSR, obama's approval rating has absolutely zero relevance to whether Palin is fit for office.

[red states rule]

The day Palin is pres is the day I rescind my citizenship.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e6E

Even the McCain team realized how completely stupid she is. Anyone can spout some fancy reconstructed rhetoric.

Well, I will ask you. How is all that hope and change doing for you?

Here is another example of how well Obama and Dems are doing with the voters

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/april_2010/obama_approval_index_april_10_2010/303451-1-eng-US/obama_approval_index_april_10_2010.jpg

Seems voters do not like the massive tax and spend polices Dems are ramming down our throats

Pete, you huys did mot give a damn about Obama's fitness for office - you just wanted Bush and Republicans out of office

[stephanie]

The day Palin is pres is the day I rescind my citizenship.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e6E

Even the McCain team realized how completely stupid she is. Anyone can spout some fancy preconstructed rhetoric.

RSR, obama's approval rating has absolutely zero relevance to whether Palin is fit for office.

START PACKING.:thumb:
You gotta love how the lefties don't believe ANY WOMAN is FIT for office. Look how they dissed Hillary over the Obama.

[red states rule]

START PACKING.:thumb:

I will drive him to the airport - as well as as many of his liberal buddies that want to tag along :laugh2:

[Joe Steel]

Hey Joe, how is that hope and change doing? Even a CBS poll has Obama at an all time low

People are not happy with liberalism run wild

Myths and misconceptions are easier to embrace than complex ideas. That's why Regressive ideas are popular.

[stephanie]

Myths and misconceptions are easier to embrace than complex ideas. That's why Regressive ideas are popular.

Translation-The Amercian people just aren't buying into our Communist ideas, what the hell is up with that.:laugh2:

[red states rule]

Myths and misconceptions are easier to embrace than complex ideas. That's why Regressive ideas are popular.

Keep ducking the question Joe

I guess you love massive spending, trillion dollar puls deficit, rising unemployment - all in the name of ramming thru liberal polices

[Joe Steel]

Translation-The Amercian people just aren't buying into our Communist ideas, what the hell is up with that.:laugh2:

Ignorance is easy. Comprehension is hard.

No translation is necessary.

[Joe Steel]

Keep ducking the question Joe

I guess you love massive spending, trillion dollar puls deficit, rising unemployment - all in the name of ramming thru liberal polices

I'm not ducking anything. Obama's record is clear. Those of us who understand what he's doing know his policies are necessary. Those who are too stupid to understand are Palin fans.

[red states rule]

I'm not ducking anything. Obama's record is clear. Those of us who understand what he's doing know his policies are necessary. Those who are too stupid to understand are Palin fans.

Yep, his record in clear. That is why Dems are going to gets their collective asses kicked in November

[Joe Steel]

Yep, his record in clear. That is why Dems are going to gets their collective asses kciked in November

As I said, ignorance is easy. Comprehension is hard. We're going to need a few more months of turn-around for the success of Obama's policies to become apparent to Palin fans.

[HogTrash]

What her fans are doing isn't "thinking." For the most part, it's just fixation on myths, misconceptions and extremist ideology.Hey Joe!...Do you have any examples of Palin's "extremist ideology" or does your liberal sandwich have no meat in it? :confused:

[red states rule]

As I said, ignorance is easy. Comprehension is hard. We're going to need a few more months of turn-around for the success of Obama's policies to become apparent to Palin fans.

What successful polices are you talking about? Obama has gotten everything he wanted and he has been in offcie for 15 months and things have gotten worse

The stimulus was a pork loaded bill that has created zero jobs

Obamacare will bust the budget, cost jobs, and companies are already saying it will cost them BILLIONS

Massive tax increase that will further drive the economy down

How do you spin all the different polls showing how pissed off voters are Joe? Are all those polls biased? Or are the American people to stupid to undersatnd the greatness of Obama?

[stephanie]

Ignorance is easy. Comprehension is hard.

No translation is necessary.

Did Confucius say that?
Or did Joe Steel make that one up?:laugh2:

[Joe Steel]

Hey Joe!...Do you have any examples of Palin's "extremist ideology" or does your liberal sandwich have no meat in it? :confused:

Bon appétit:


Perhaps the most offensive thing I heard out of Palin's mouth over the course of Hannity's entire show was when she suggested that not warmongering makes the troops sad. Hannity asked Palin about the hard line Obama is drawing with Israel and the fact that he's willing to negotiate with Iran. Her response was:


That is a scary place for us to be. It is also a slap in the face to our men and women serving in uniform today and have served our country in the past [sic]. Those willing to lay down their lives for our security, for our freedom. They wanna know that all options are on the table. They wanna know that the resources, that the strategies are there for them to keep us safe, to be victorious.

Let me just translate that into rational English: Palin's saying that our troops want us threatening our enemies and refusing to negotiate. That our overextended troops actually want us to provoke a war on another front, just to prove that we are fast friends with Israel.

Slipping Into Something More Comfortable: Sarah Palin Changes the Facts Almost as Often as She Changes Her Outfit (http://blog.buzzflash.com/analysis/1019)

[red states rule]

Did Confucius say that?
Or did Joe Steel make that one up?:laugh2:

When I take on Joe in a debate on issues Stephanie, I feel like Don Rickles taking on a 12 year old in a put down contest

[red states rule]

Bon appétit:

Damn, I never knew it was exreme to use everything possible to deter ur enemies from attacking

The fact America has been safe (except for 9-11) is thanks to our massive military and our enemies knew we would wipe them off the map

Now Obama has taken that off the table.

If AQ wants to destroy America they better hurry. Obama may beat them to it

[pete311]

Well, I will ask you. How is all that hope and change doing for you?

Here is another example of how well Obama and Dems are doing with the voters

Seems voters do not like the massive tax and spend polices Dems are ramming down our throats

Pete, you huys did mot give a damn about Obama's fitness for office - you just wanted Bush and Republicans out of office

My daily life is still pretty fantastic. The argument that because Obama isn't popular means Palin is fit for office is amazingly poor.

I'd much rather have Obama than someone who just a few months ago claimed there was a Department of Law. Wow, and you want Palin negotiating with someone like Putin?

[Joe Steel]

What successful polices are you talking about? Obama has gotten everything he wanted and he has been in offcie for 15 months and things have gotten worse

The stimulus was a pork loaded bill that has created zero jobs

Obamacare will bust the budget, cost jobs, and companies are already saying it will cost them BILLIONS

Massive tax increase that will further drive the economy down

How do you spin all the different polls showing how pissed off voters are Joe? Are all those polls biased? Or are the American people to stupid to undersatnd the greatness of Obama?

The American People are being duped by self-interested hacks and shills. Obama's policies are working.


Federal stimulus dollars have begun to flow, initiating an "amazing" number of projects and creating jobs, Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) said Wednesday.

Snowe was one of three Republicans to support passage of the $787 billion stimulus package and has taken a beating form conservatives for doing so. But now that the checks are going out, she said, people can feel the benefits.

It's "paramount [for people] to see that activity, creating jobs or averting job losses," she said.

"Even those who were opposed to the stimulus spending will see some of the projects that are underway in their communities as they're initiated," she added. "I've just been meeting with a lot of municipal officials and really it is amazing the number of projects that are getting under way."

GOP Senator: Stimulus Working Already (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/25/gop-senator-stimulus-work_n_179241.html)

[red states rule]

My daily life is still pretty fantastic. The argument that because Obama isn't popular means Palin is fit for office is amazingly poor.

I'd much rather have Obama than someone who just a few months ago claimed there was a Department of Law. Wow, and you want Palin negotiating with someone like Putin?

So now experience matters?

What about all the gaffes of Obama - as well as his failed polices?

I hope one day to take a trip across the country, and visit all 57 states :laugh2:

[Joe Steel]

When I take on Joe in a debate on issues Stephanie, I feel like Don Rickles taking on a 12 year old in a put down contest

See what I mean?

Ignorance easy.

The rest of see you as Foster Brooks.

[red states rule]

The American People are being duped by self-interested hacks and shills. Obama's policies are working.

Polices are working eh?

$1.6 Trillion annual defict

Near 10% unemployment

A budget near $4 trillion

Dems ram thru Obamacre despite every poll showing a mjority of voter oppsoed it

Dems telling Obama NOT to campaign for them and to stay away

The government taking over private companies

Trillions in new tax increases coming our way

Yea Joe, they are working if you want to weaken the US economy

[red states rule]

See what I mean?

Ignorance easy.

The rest of see you as Foster Brooks.

Only the libs see me that way. Libs see me as a threat and must be silenced

[Joe Steel]

Damn, I never knew it was exreme to use everything possible to deter ur enemies from attacking

The fact America has been safe (except for 9-11) is thanks to our massive military and our enemies knew we would wipe them off the map

Now Obama has taken that off the table.

If AQ wants to destroy America they better hurry. Obama may beat them to it

There you go again. You're spreading myths and distortions.

I never said defense is extreme. Palin said the troops don't want negotiations, that they just want nuclear war.

[Joe Steel]

Polices are working eh?

$1.6 Trillion annual defict

Near 10% unemployment

A budget near $4 trillion

Dems ram thru Obamacre despite every poll showing a mjority of voter oppsoed it

Dems telling Obama NOT to campaign for them and to stay away

The government taking over private companies

Trillions in new tax increases coming our way

Yea Joe, they are working if you want to weaken the US economy

What's your point? How does any of that prove Obama's policies are not working?

[red states rule]

What's your point? How does any of that prove Obama's policies are not working?

How will massive deficts, spending, and tax increases help the economy?

[stephanie]

Palin was a Governor of a State with Three (that I know of) large Military Installations, A Early Warning Radar Installation, yet they still want to claim she has no EXPERICNE and couldn't deal with Putin.

The Obama has NEVER held a REAL job in his LIFE. He taugh how to be a community Agitator, was a "lowly" State Senator, and a JUNIOR Senator (and a piss poor one at that) before his great ambitions that he SHOULD BE President.
Man the left sure knows how to blow smoke up peoples asses.:laugh2:

[red states rule]

Palin was a Governor of a State with Three (that I know of) large Military Installations, A Early Warning Radar Installation, yet they still want to claim she has no EXPERICNE and couldn't deal with Putin.

The Obama has NEVER held a REAL job in his LIFE. He taugh how to be a community Agitator, was a "lowly" State Senator, and a JUNIOR Senator (and a piss poor one at that) before his great ambitions that he SHOULD BE President.
Man the left sure knows how to blow smoke up peoples asses.:laugh2:

That is why is doing such a rotten job. All his life nobody questioned his actions. Everyone told him how great he was. To do otherwise would have been considered a racist slur

We now have Jimmy Carter's second term

And only people like Joe turn a blind eye to actual results and attack those pointing out the failures of liberalism

[pete311]

Palin was a Governor of a State with Three (that I know of) large Military Installations, A Early Warning Radar Installation, yet they still want to claim she has no EXPERICNE and couldn't deal with Putin.


Just because I have a microwave in my house doesn't make me an engineer or physicist.

[red states rule]

Just because I have a microwave in my house doesn't make me an engineer or physicist.

So tell me Pete, given the continuing and mounting failures of Obama and the Dems, why would anyone want to keep them in office?

You guys ran on "change" - and so far the change has been a total and complete failure

Ms Palin is being specific on what needs to done - while Obama ran on bumper sticker slogans and has been a far left liberal

[HogTrash]

Bon appétit:


Perhaps the most offensive thing I heard out of Palin's mouth over the course of Hannity's entire show was when she suggested that not warmongering makes the troops sad. Hannity asked Palin about the hard line Obama is drawing with Israel and the fact that he's willing to negotiate with Iran. Her response was:

That is a scary place for us to be. It is also a slap in the face to our men and women serving in uniform today and have served our country in the past [sic]. Those willing to lay down their lives for our security, for our freedom. They wanna know that all options are on the table. They wanna know that the resources, that the strategies are there for them to keep us safe, to be victorious.
Let me just translate that into rational English: Palin's saying that our troops want us threatening our enemies and refusing to negotiate. That our overextended troops actually want us to provoke a war on another front, just to prove that we are fast friends with Israel.

Slipping Into Something More Comfortable: Sarah Palin Changes the Facts Almost as Often as She Changes Her Outfit To be quite frank, I don't see anything that closely resembles this morons interpretations, in any of Palin's words.

If you don't mind, I would like to see some Palin "quotes" instead of what some leftwing blogger thinks she meant.

[Gaffer]

The day Palin is pres is the day I rescind my citizenship.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e6E

Even the McCain team realized how completely stupid she is. Anyone can spout some fancy preconstructed rhetoric.

RSR, obama's approval rating has absolutely zero relevance to whether Palin is fit for office.

Don't let the screen door hit you on your way out.

[Mr. P]

How will massive deficts, spending, and tax increases help the economy?

Waiting for ole Slow Joe to spin this one.

:popcorn:

[red states rule]

To be quite frank, I don't see anything that closely resembles this morons interpretations, in any of Palin's words.

If you don't mind, I would like to see some Palin "quotes" instead of what some leftwing blogger thinks she meant.

Here is more of what she said HT. Libs hate to hear her since she makes so much sense and they hate to hear people cheering what she says

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[pete311]

So tell me Pete, given the continuing and mounting failures of Obama and the Dems, why would anyone want to keep them in office?

You guys ran on "change" - and so far the vhange has been a total and complete failure

Ms Palin is being specific on what needs to done - while Obama ran on bumper sticker slogans and has been a far left liberal

Red you keep trying to argue that Palin is fit for office because obama isn't. Do you not see the massive failure in logic there? I love how you guys assume I'm a liberal obama supporter. Hell I voted for Bush. Palin is no different on the campaign trail than Obama. Politicians are all the same. Over promise and under deliver. If you think Palin is our solution or savior, then you are just as deluded as the obama supporters.

[stephanie]

Just because I have a microwave in my house doesn't make me an engineer or physicist.


You just Explained the Obama to a T:thumb:

[red states rule]

Red you keep trying to argue that Palin is fit for office because obama isn't. Do you not see the massive failure in logic there? I love how you guys assume I'm an obama supporter. Hell I voted for Bush. Palin is no different on the campaign trail than Obama. Politicians are all the same. Over promise and under deliver. If you think Palin is our solution or savior, then you are just as deluded as the obama supporters.

What I am saying is Ms Palin is more fit for office because she is expresing Reagan conservatism, offering a clear choice over Obama, and is pointing out the stupidity of his policies

Ms Palin allowed herself to put on a leash by the fools running the Mccain campaign, and now she is being herself

In Novemeber Dems will suffer heavy losses, and if Obama continues to be the arrogant and cocky liberal, he will lose to just about anyone the Republicans would put up

Is Palin a saviour - no. I am not like the liberal media and Obama supoporters who actually did cast him as a messiah. He is just another tax and spend liberal

I want as many CONSERVATIVES as possible to be elected

BTW, I thought you posted you did vote for Obama - or am I wrong?

[red states rule]

You just Explained the Obama to a T:thumb:

Obama is not a foreign or domestic policy expert

But he thinks he is, since he slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night

[stephanie]

Red you keep trying to argue that Palin is fit for office because obama isn't. Do you not see the massive failure in logic there? I love how you guys assume I'm a liberal obama supporter. Hell I voted for Bush. Palin is no different on the campaign trail than Obama. Politicians are all the same. Over promise and under deliver. If you think Palin is our solution or savior, then you are just as deluded as the obama supporters.

So who is your pick for the Republican running against the Obama?

[red states rule]

So who is your pick for the Republican running against the Obama?

Someone along the lines of Susan Collins perhaps?

[pete311]

What I am saying is Ms Palin is more fit for office because she is expresing Reagan conservatism, offering a clear choice over Obama, and is pointing out the stupidity of his policies

Ms Palin allowed herself to put on a leash by the fools running the Mccain campaign, and now she is being herself

In Novemeber Dems will suffer heavy losses, and if Obama continues to be the arrogant and cocky liberal, he will lose to just about anyone the Republicans would put up

Is Palin a saviour - no. I am not like the liberal media and Obama supoporters who actually did cast him as a messiah. He is just another tax and spend liberal

I want as many CONSERVATIVES as possible to be elected

BTW, I thought you posted you did vote for Obama - or am I wrong?

Expressing an idea is much different than actually being able to do it. I simply don't think she is very intelligent. My guess is that she will start strong, but get pummeled during the debates.

I sure hope the dems get crushed. I am always for a balanced government.

I did vote for Obama but I voted for Bush the election before. Just demonstrating I am not blinded by one side.

[pete311]

Someone along the lines of Susan Collins perhaps?

A senator from Maine? Doesn't Maine want independence from the US? ;)

[stephanie]

Expressing an idea is much different than actually being able to do it. I simply don't think she is very intelligent. My guess is that she will start strong, but get pummeled during the debates.

I sure hope the dems get crushed. I am always for a balanced government.

I did vote for Obama but I voted for Bush the election before. Just demonstrating I am not blinded by one side.

Oh really, you evidently were blinded by Obama. thanks a friggen lot.

[red states rule]

Expressing an idea is much different than actually being able to do it. I simply don't think she is very intelligent. My guess is that she will start strong, but get pummeled during the debates.

I sure hope the dems get crushed. I am always for a balanced government.

I did vote for Obama but I voted for Bush the election before. Just demonstrating I am not blinded by one side.

So much like all the promises of hope and change? How no pork would be in the "stimulus" plan? Or how Bush's reckless spending got us in an economic mess and yet Dems increasing the defict by a factor of four wil get us out of the mess? Or how Obama's stimulus plan would keep unemployment under 8% (and how it saved/created 2 million jobs) Or how "Cash for Clunkers" would help save the auto companies?

Yea, that change is a sight to behold

Your voting for Obama shows you are easily suckered and now thanks to you and others - we will all pay thru the nose

[red states rule]

A senator from Maine? Doesn't Maine want independence from the US? ;)

I thought she would be your kind of Republican. The kind that is willing to see both sides. Does not see things right or wrong. And wants to "get along"

[pete311]

Your voting for Obama shows you are easily suckered and now thanks to you and others - we will all pay thru the nose

I still think we're better off than if Palin were in office.

[pete311]

I thought she would be yor kind of Republican. The kind that is willing to see both sides. Does not see things right or wrong. And wants to "get along"

That does sound good, I will research her.

[red states rule]

I still think we're better off than if Palin were in office.

There were some people who actually thought we would have been better off with Carter in officie then Ronald Reagan

The problem is you have nothing to say about Obama's accomplishments. But alot of people will have something to say as they go to the polls in November

[red states rule]

That does sound good, I will research her.

Look under RINO

Funny, you could have voted for that type of Republican in the last election - but you went with Obama

Tells me alot about you Pete

[HogTrash]

Red you keep trying to argue that Palin is fit for office because obama isn't. Do you not see the massive failure in logic there? I love how you guys assume I'm a liberal obama supporter. Hell I voted for Bush. Palin is no different on the campaign trail than Obama. Politicians are all the same. Over promise and under deliver. If you think Palin is our solution or savior, then you are just as deluded as the obama supporters.The truely delusional people are those who bought into the leftwing media lies and Saturday Nite Live skits, to form their opinions of Sarah Palin.

This is why you people are compared to mindless sheep...You are easily manipulated and follow blindly...But at least your gullibility has no bounderies.

Ask yourself why your leftwing masters hate Sarah Palin so much and you will realize it is because they fear her...Do you honestly believe they fear a dummy?

[red states rule]

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[pete311]

Ask yourself why your leftwing masters hate Sarah Palin so much and you will realize it is because they fear her...Do you honestly believe they fear a dummy?

meh, I don't think so. There is no way Palin gets into office next term. Again, you stack her against someone with intelligence in 9-10 debates and I think you'll find her quite unimpressive. All her speeches are grandiose pep rally rhetoric. Find me a video where she actually details out some plans. Show me her logic, arguments, charts, math equations. Something that shows she can problem solve at the root level rather than just using worthless high level statements she read out of a conservative childrens book. That video posted in the OP is worthless. She bashes obama without giving one alternate solution.

[SassyLady]

I simply don't think she is very intelligent.

A lot of people think Obama is intelligent because he can read a teleprompter with words written by experts at linguistic manipulation.........however, I would vote for common sense rather than intelligence......of which I believe Palin has both.

[pete311]

A lot of people think Obama is intelligent because he can read a teleprompter with words written by experts at linguistic manipulation.........however, I would vote for common sense rather than intelligence......of which I believe Palin has both.

Until you realize there is no such thing as common sense. You think common sense is the same for people in say South Africa? You want her using her common sense when dealing with South Africa's common sense? That is all far to subjective.

[SassyLady]

meh, I don't think so. There is no way Palin gets into office next term. Again, you stack her against someone with intelligence in 9-10 debates and I think you'll find her quite unimpressive. All her speeches are grandiose pep rally rhetoric. Find me a video where she actually details out some plans. Show me her logic, arguments, charts, math equations. Something that shows she can problem solve at the root level rather than just using worthless high level statements she read out of a conservative childrens book. That video posted in the OP is worthless. She bashes obama without giving one alternate solution.

And you voted for Obama because he did this? Where?

[SassyLady]

Until you realize there is no such thing as common sense. You think common sense is the same for people in say South Africa? You want her using her common sense when dealing with South Africa's common sense? That is all far to subjective.

And how is Obama's "superior intelligence" working for us in South Africa today?

[SassyLady]

She bashes obama without giving one alternate solution.

Her solution is to get Obama and the rest of the progressives out of office.

Isn't this the same solution you were after when you voted for Obama....just get the old guard out.

[pete311]

And you voted for Obama because he did this? Where?

Nice work trying to flip things on me and obama. We are talking about Palin.

[Kathianne]

And you voted for Obama because he did this? Where?

Seriously, both your post and Pete's are indicative of one who one, and I'm afraid one who has a chance.

I don't think the country has been in such a bad place since the Whiskey Rebellion. We came through that, but am not sure we can get through this.

[pete311]

And how is Obama's "superior intelligence" working for us in South Africa today?

He certainly would not base decisions on international matters using "common sense".

[Kathianne]

He certainly would not base decisions on international matters using "common sense".

That is way obvious. Was that supposed to be an endorsement of his foreign policy?

[Gaffer]

He certainly would not base decisions on international matters using "common sense".

True common sense is not one of the dark lords strong points. But then I wouldn't expect a liberal to understand anything to do with common sense.

[pete311]

I don't think the country has been in such a bad place since the Whiskey Rebellion. We came through that, but am not sure we can get through this.

Do you actually get out of your house? Drama drama drama. Everywhere I go in the states things look completely normal. Cities are bustling like always. I was just at a baseball game and everyone looked pretty dang good. Sure some people lost jobs, but hey, life is tough. Happiness is not a right.

[SassyLady]

Nice work trying to flip things on me and obama. We are talking about Palin.

So you require more from Palin than you did Obama?

[pete311]

That is way obvious. Was that supposed to be an endorsement of his foreign policy?

Apparently not to mrskurtsprincess, who wants Palin to make decisions on international matters using common sense.

[pete311]

So you require more from Palin than you did Obama?

Why do you keep bringing up obama. We are talking about palin. If you want to talk about obama start a new thread.

[SassyLady]

Why do you keep bringing up obama. We are talking about palin. If you want to talk about obama start a new thread.

Aren't you the one that said you would rather have Obama than Palin. You made the statement - defend it with why you would rather have him instead of denigrating Palin.

I'm using the same tactics you are and you don't seem to like it....why?

[SassyLady]

Apparently not to mrskurtsprincess, who wants Palin to make decisions on international matters using common sense.


If one doesn't use common sense in both domestic and foreign policy, what does one use instead?

Here is what her common sense has accomplished:

She took on her own party and exposed corruption and some politicians ended up in jail. She took on "big oil" and would not back down and created the ACES program. She doesn't want to spend and tax us into oblivion. She managed to get a natural gas pipeline project started which I believe is the largest construction project in America. She created a plan for Alaska to be on a 50% renewable energy system within the next 15 years or so.

As for foreign policy .... I believe, if she were elected President, that she would have as much foreign policy under her belt as did our current president when he was elected.

So what is your point?

[pete311]

If one doesn't use common sense in both domestic and foreign policy, what does one use instead?


You use objective data, logic, problem solving, diplomacy... Common sense is built over time through unique subjective experiences usually from within a distinct culture. Your common sense is much different than say an indian mans. Sure there are some commonalities, but they are quite different. I think you mean well, but are confused on the concept.

[Kathianne]

Why do you keep bringing up obama. We are talking about palin. If you want to talk about obama start a new thread.

Perhaps because he had less experience than she, a scant 15 months ago. On the other hand, both of them are lacking, big time, IMO. Real problem, the asshat that plays the race card is currently in charge,because of his race, with less experience than the asshat making zillions off of cuteness.

[Gaffer]

You use objective data, logic, problem solving, diplomacy... Common sense is built over time through unique subjective experiences usually from within a distinct culture. Your common sense is much different than say an indian mans. Sure there are some commonalities, but they are quite different. I think you mean well, but are confused on the concept.

We all know who's confused here and its not MrsK. As I said before you have no concept of common sense. Common sense equates with logic not subjective experiences. And it has nothing whatsoever to do with culture.

[pete311]

We all know who's confused here and its not MrsK. As I said before you have no concept of common sense. Common sense equates with logic not subjective experiences. And it has nothing whatsoever to do with culture.

Let's get our definitions straight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense

Common sense (or, when used attributively as an adjective, commonsense, common-sense, or commonsensical), based on a strict construction of the term, consists of what people in common would agree on[citation needed] : that which they "sense" as their common natural understanding.[citation needed] Some people (such as the authors of Merriam-Webster Online) use the phrase to refer to beliefs or propositions that — in their opinion — most people would consider prudent and of sound judgment, without reliance on esoteric knowledge or study or research, but based upon what they see as knowledge held by people "in common". Thus "common sense" (in this view) equates to the knowledge and experience which most people allegedly have, or which the person using the term believes that they do or should have.

This is where I am coming from. I think what I say makes sense in this respect.


The most common meaning to the phrase is good sense and sound judgement in practical matters.[citation needed] It has nothing to do with what other people may think or feel.

If this is what you arguing from, then yes certainly I agree with you. I hope Palin or Obama use sound judgment in practical matters.

[SassyLady]

You use objective data, logic, problem solving, diplomacy... Common sense is built over time through unique subjective experiences usually from within a distinct culture. Your common sense is much different than say an indian mans. Sure there are some commonalities, but they are quite different.

So, are you saying Obama has more experience with the culture of South Africa because ............ he has access to objective data, logic, problem solving, diplomacy ..... all of which are available to Gov. Palin, and...... myself and everyone on this board for that matter. Perhaps it's just me, but I think Gov. Palin's common sense approach has more "commonalities" with the American culture than Obama. To me that is more important than her ability to connect with the culture of South Africa.




I think you mean well, but are confused on the concept.


I am not confused about the concept of the appeal of common sense vs. elitism as you implied. You, on the other hand, seem to think that you can debate intelligently through the use of subtle, and not so subtle putdowns, (ad hominem) which only allows everyone to see the foundation of your argument is shaky.

BTW - still haven't heard why you think Obama has more common sense than Palin.

[SassyLady]

Let's get our definitions straight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense



Common sense (or, when used attributively as an adjective, commonsense, common-sense, or commonsensical), based on a strict construction of the term, consists of what people in common would agree on[citation needed] : that which they "sense" as their common natural understanding.[citation needed] Some people (such as the authors of Merriam-Webster Online) use the phrase to refer to beliefs or propositions that — in their opinion — most people would consider prudent and of sound judgment, without reliance on esoteric knowledge or study or research, but based upon what they see as knowledge held by people "in common". Thus "common sense" (in this view) equates to the knowledge and experience which most people allegedly have, or which the person using the term believes that they do or should have

If this is what you arguing from, then yes certainly I agree with you. I hope Palin or Obama use sound judgment in practical matters.


You have proven my point - and thank you for clearing up who was confused.

[SassyLady]

There you go again. You're spreading myths and distortions.

I never said defense is extreme. Palin said the troops don't want negotiations, that they just want nuclear war.

Now, who is spreading lies...where did she say "troops don't want negotiations, that they just want nuclear war."

Those were her exact words??? Or were they Keith Olberman's interpretation, or Chris Matthews, or Randi Rhodes?

[SassyLady]

I hope Palin or Obama use sound judgment in practical matters.

Here is the kind of common sense Obama uses. In his own words:



To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.

I think Sarah Palin is more politically in tune with Americans .... but I could be wrong. :poke:

[REDWHITEBLUE2]

The day Palin is pres is the day I rescind my citizenship.
GOOD one less obamabot to worry about

[pete311]

You have proven my point - and thank you for clearing up who was confused.

I love how i made an effort to reach middle ground with you and instead of really reading and thinking about that paragraph with all context, you cherrypick out what works for you without making any effort to understand the complete context. the point of all that is we were both right, it depends on which definition of common sense you use.

fine, i will point it out to you


knowledge held by people "in common"

again, you think your daily life is anything like a man in india or a women in iraq? no, there are little common sense knowledge you share. so you don't want to use your common sense that you developed within your daily life to make decisions about issues in iraq or india. but i understand your perspective on general sound judgment

[SassyLady]

I love how i made an effort to reach middle ground with you and instead of really reading and thinking about that paragraph with all context, you cherrypick out what works for you without making any effort to understand the complete context. the point of all that is we were both right, it depends on which definition of common sense you use.

fine, i will point it out to you


again, you think your daily life is anything like a man in india or a women in iraq? no, there are little common sense knowledge you share. so you don't want to use your common sense that you developed within your daily life to make decisions about issues in iraq or india. but i understand your perspective on general sound judgment

Yes, you did admit that you could agree that common sense is important in our leaders. However, where we diverge in our thinking is that I want the leader of America to exhibit more "common sense", or "commonalities", with Americans, as opposed to India, Iraq, South Africa.....etc.

I am not saying that we shouldn't take into account what daily life is in those countries in our dealings with them. I just want our President to exhibit a "common sense" approach based upon our culture, not theirs.

BTW - you still have not explained how Obama has more "common sense" from an American perspective than Gov. Palin.

I believe Michelle Bachman has it right .... Obama is engaged in imaginary thinking and looking at things from a transworld view instead of an American sovereignty view. He is an American president, not the leader of the world, but I believe he thinks he is.

[red states rule]

meh, I don't think so. There is no way Palin gets into office next term. Again, you stack her against someone with intelligence in 9-10 debates and I think you'll find her quite unimpressive. All her speeches are grandiose pep rally rhetoric. Find me a video where she actually details out some plans. Show me her logic, arguments, charts, math equations. Something that shows she can problem solve at the root level rather than just using worthless high level statements she read out of a conservative childrens book. That video posted in the OP is worthless. She bashes obama without giving one alternate solution.

She is offering alternate solutions. You sould listen to what she said and not relying on someone telling you what she said.

BTW, bashing is now pointing out the masive failures of his polices? Pointing out the tax increases, the soaring deficits, the lies about Obamacare? That is bashing?

Again, what about all the promises of hope and change? How about the promise of no pork would be in the "stimulus" plan? Or how Bush's reckless spending got us in an economic mess and yet Dems increasing the defict by a factor of four wil get us out of the mess? Or how Obama's stimulus plan would keep unemployment under 8% (and how it saved/created 2 million jobs) Or how "Cash for Clunkers" would help save the auto companies?

Yea, that change is a sight to behold

Your voting for Obama shows you are easily suckered and now thanks to you and others - we will all pay thru the nose

You calim to like Reopublicans who do not pass judegemnt, who do see things in black and white, who are willing to work with the other side - yet you had that type of epublican in McCain and yet you voted for Obama

Any reposnse Pete?

[Gaffer]

Only a liberal would think of common sense in terms of commonality of thought and come up with definitions to show what they mean. wikipedia at that.

You get in out of the rain, that's common sense. You don't touch hot surfaces, that's common sense. You eat when your hungry, drink when your thirsty, that's commonsense. It's what liberals lack as they want someone else to do it all for them. All your arguing here is communist sense.

[red states rule]

Only a liberal would think of common sense in terms of commonality of thought and come up with definitions to show what they mean. wikipedia at that.

You get in out of the rain, that's common sense. You don't touch hot surfaces, that's common sense. You eat when your hungry, drink when your thirsty, that's commonsense. It's what liberals lack as they want someone else to do it all for them. All your arguing here is communist sense.

I have found a common trait with most liberals is they do not care about acutal results of their programs - only the good intentions

Common sense would tell you that after 40 years of throwing moeny at poverty - throwing more moeny at poverty is NOT going to solve the problem. However with liberals, the solutions to all our problems is usually throwing moeny at the problem. (Which means raising taxes on those who are already handing over more then 50% of their income to the government)

When they see mounting and continuing failures of their liberal ideas, the last theing they want to hear is someone talking about the failures. They would rather hear people talking about how hard they tried, and how much they cared - and at least they tried to solve the problem

[pete311]

I am not saying that we shouldn't take into account what daily life is in those countries in our dealings with them. I just want our President to exhibit a "common sense" approach based upon our culture, not theirs.
In domestic issues of course. But if you send a diplomat to saudia arabia and tell to negotiate with american common sense you will likely end up offending them the minute you try to greet them. i am again taking the stand point that common sense requires specialized knowledge.



BTW - you still have not explained how Obama has more "common sense" from an American perspective than Gov. Palin.
Maybe he doesn't, i'm not debating that fact nor do I care to.



I believe Michelle Bachman has it right .... Obama is engaged in imaginary thinking and looking at things from a transworld view instead of an American sovereignty view. He is an American president, not the leader of the world, but I believe he thinks he is. What is transworld?


I have found a common trait with most liberals is they do not care about acutal results of their programs - only the good intentions I don't consider myself an obama supporter. I have my problems with him and the house/congress. I just have many more problems with Palin. I would have voted for McCain if he had picked someone other than Palin.



Common sense would tell you that after 40 years of throwing moeny at poverty - throwing more moeny at poverty is NOT going to solve the problem. That is not common sense. That is called analyzing data and current conditions. By your definition a kid would never make a basket in basketball. He misses five times in a row. Does he give up or maybe alter his arms a bit.


She is offering alternate solutions. You sould listen to what she said and not relying on someone telling you what she said.

BTW, bashing is now pointing out the masive failures of his polices? Pointing out the tax increases, the soaring deficits, the lies about Obamacare? That is bashing?
I would like her to actually work through the problems and give specifics rather than pep rally sound bites. Any one of us could go up there and say obama this, obama that, low taxes, private healhcare, blah blah blah. That does make us fit for office.



Your voting for Obama shows you are easily suckered and now thanks to you and others - we will all pay thru the nose
Again, if McCain had picked nearly anyone on the short list other than Palin, I would have voted for him.



You get in out of the rain, that's common sense. You don't touch hot surfaces, that's common sense. You eat when your hungry, drink when your thirsty, that's commonsense. It's what liberals lack as they want someone else to do it all for them. All your arguing here is communist sense.
Yes I agree, now how does that common sense help you in negotiating peace in the mid east. "Hey Palestine, bombs are bad, that is common sense, so please stop blowing up people" - love Palin.

[red states rule]

Pete, you have confirmed my posts about Obama supporters. They were also confirmed by the panel of all liberal reporters on the Chris Matthews Show this morning

Across the board, they all defended Obama's failures by saying how he was trying to do too much, but he gets an "A" for effort

They all talked about social issues, as Obama is doing - and not one of them talked about the economy and jobs

Seems Obama, Reid, And Pelosi are determeined to focus on ramming thru their social agenda - while the economy continues to tank

They really could not care less how many people lose their jobs - as long as they reshape America into their liberal nanny state. So what is libs have transfered $9 TRILLION in wealth from the producers and given it to the non-producers - that does not mean soical programs are a failure. It means MORE money (i.e.higher taxes on the producers) is needed

[pete311]

Pete, you have confirmed my posts about Obama supporters. They were also confirmed by the panel of all liberal reporters on the Chris Matthews Show this morning

Wonderful job staying on topic. Weird how every response to Palin is turned into obama bashing. This thread is about Palin. My responses are about Palin. Your responses to my Palin comments are all "obama sucks" sound bites. Get it through your skull that I don't love obama and I don't consider myself liberal. Not that it's a crime. I voted bush and I would have voted mccain if he hadn't picked a total dumbass.

[red states rule]

Wonderful job staying on topic. Weird how every response to Palin is turned into obama bashing. This thread is about Palin. My responses are about Palin. Your responses to my Palin comments are all "obama sucks" sound bites. Get it through your skull that I don't love obama and I don't consider myself liberal. Not that it's a crime. I voted bush and I would have voted mccain if he hadn't picked a total dumbass.

I am on topic. Plain is offering clear solutions, which you are ignoring

How ami I bashing Obama? By pointing out the failures of his polices? How the stimulus bill has nothing but a pork bill with handouts and political payoffs?

How Obama is concentrating on soical issues and not the economy?

Is that now bashing in your book?

You seem to have a hard time addresing my entire posts - just cherry picking one sentence and playing the Obama victim card

I understand your motives however. I would have voted fro Obama I would be desperate not to talk about his results either

[pete311]

I am on topic. Plain is offering clear solutions, which you are ignoring

How ami I bashing Obama? By pointing out the failures of his polices? How the stimulus bill has nothing but a pork bill with handouts and political payoffs?

How Obama is concentrating on soical issues and not the economy?

Is that now bashing in your book?

You seem to have a hard time addresing my entire posts - just cherry picking one sentence and playing the Obama victim card

I understand your motives however. I would have voted fro Obama I would be desperate not to talk about his results either

How about you point out his failures in another thread instead of hijacking this Palin thread.

Do you have a link to Palin's detailed solutions? I am genuinely interested to hear what she has fleshed out.

[red states rule]

How about you point out his failures in another thread instead of hijacking this Palin thread.

Do you have a link to Palin's detailed solutions? I am genuinely interested to hear what she has fleshed out.

Because Ms Palin is offering new ideas and solutuions - while you call Obama failures BASHING

You can't talk about Plain's ideas without comparing them to Obama's failures

What is next Pete - tag me a racist for bashing Obama? :laugh2:

Again, her speech has several ideas. But you seem more interested in reading what someone lese tells you she said rather then hearing to the ideas yourself

[pete311]

Because Ms Palin is offering new ideas and solutuions - while you call Obama failures BASHING

You can't talk about Plain's ideas without comparing them to Obama's failures

What is next Pete - tag me a racist for bashing Obama? :laugh2:

Again, her speech has several ideas. But you seem more interested in reading what someone lese tells you she said rather then hearing to the ideas yourself

RSR, please if you will, link me to her speeches and documents with her new creative ideas. I genuinely want to learn here. From the video in the first post, her ideas are not new and they are sound bite pep rally speech. And it's absurd that we can't talk about Palin without mentioning Obama. Her ideas are her own.

[red states rule]

RSR, please if you will, link me to her speeches and documents with her new creative ideas. I genuinely want to learn here. From the video in the first post, her ideas are not new and they are sound bite pep rally speech. And it's absurd that we can't talk about Palin without mentioning Obama. Her ideas are her own.

If you would bother to watch the videos I posted, Ms Palin offerd her ideas on energy, economic policies, and how to put people to work. I guess it is to much to ask of you to watch the videos

Again, what is Obama bashing Pete? Or is that to hard a question to answer?

[pete311]

If you would bother to watch the videos I posted, Ms Palin offerd her ideas on energy, economic policies, and how to put people to work. I guess it is to much to ask of you to watch the videos

Again, what is Obama bashing Pete? Or is that to hard a question to answer?

Are those videos in this thread? If so, I will take a look.

I would be happy to answer questions about obama in a new thread that you make.

[red states rule]

Are those videos in this thread? If so, I will take a look.

I would be happy to answer questions about obama in a new thread that you make.

Why do you have such a hard time telling me where I "bashed" Obama? I guess the new standard is talking about his accomplishments and results of his programs is now off limits

[PostmodernProphet]

The day Palin is pres is the day I rescind my citizenship.

don't make promises you can't keep......

[pete311]

ok I watched the two videos posted here. These are my observations.

1st video: No ideas, no solutions. She criticizes obama on cuba, honduras, china, iran, afganistan, and israel. offers no counter solutions.

2nd video:

My understanding is that we don't have enough oil to last long anyway no matter how much we drill. 134b is 3% of the worlds total reserve. Enough to last us 18 years if we could drill at max capacity which we aren't close to. oils platforms and refineries take years to build. by then i hope we have a viable alternative anyway.

Palin says we need to feed our hungry industry with more energy. But then says we need to use less and use it more efficient. Good, but she fails to explain how to achieve that.

She wants to use tax incentives to drive alternative energy sales. Isn't that like handing money out? Cash for Clunkers gave people a big tax deduction to buy a new car.

Why is Palin, a presidential prospect, responding to a hack like ann coulter. Who cares about ann coulter. It's like Bill Gates responding in a press conference what some nutjob on the street is saying about him.

Palin wants to encourage innovation. Wonderful, please tell me how.

She wants to empower states to find solutions. Wonderful, tell me how.

Wind farms are good, but they are comprehensive as they can't be built everywhere. There is not space and perhaps not enough wind to run NYC.

Palin wants to create a competitive climate for new energy solutions. Cool, tell me now. btw, I think there are at least a dozen credible new energy solutions battling it out now.

America will invent the next big innovation. Who cares. Let's just find it. If the Danish figure it out great. What are we in a sports league here? It's not us versus the world. We all share the planet and it's gettin much smaller.

[pete311]

don't make promises you can't keep......

i have no problem being an expat on some tropical island

[Abbey Marie]

START PACKING.:thumb:
You gotta love how the lefties don't believe ANY WOMAN is FIT for office. Look how they dissed Hillary over the Obama.

Hi Stephanie! :salute:

Remember how all those actors were going to leave the country if Bush was elected? I don't know of any who did. :laugh2:

[red states rule]

Hi Stephanie! :salute:

Remember how all those actors were going to leave the country if Bush was elected? I don't know of any who did. :laugh2:

Some of them made anti war/anti US military movies that bombed at the box office

I guess they did not want to give up their Beverly Hill mansions and stop making those US dollars

[Abbey Marie]

Why do you keep bringing up obama. We are talking about palin. If you want to talk about obama start a new thread.

Actually, it's a legitimate and appropriate question that MrsKurt posed to you. Since you denigrate Palin for a lack of charts, etc., why do you demand more of her to run for President, than you did or do of Obama? Why is she held to a higher standard? Are Conservatives to be held to a higher standard just because you don't like them? Or- is it because she is female?

[Abbey Marie]

Expressing an idea is much different than actually being able to do it. I simply don't think she is very intelligent. My guess is that she will start strong, but get pummeled during the debates.

I sure hope the dems get crushed. I am always for a balanced government.

I did vote for Obama but I voted for Bush the election before. Just demonstrating I am not blinded by one side.

This sounds reasonable, and I believe you, but how does it square with your statement that you would revoke your citizenship if Palin is elected? Why isn't Palin a good balance to Obama?

[stephanie]

This sounds reasonable, and I believe you, but how does it square with your statement that you would revoke your citizenship if Palin is elected? Why isn't Palin a good balance to Obama?

Oh boy, I want to hear the answer to this one.:laugh2:

[Abbey Marie]

Only a liberal would think of common sense in terms of commonality of thought and come up with definitions to show what they mean. wikipedia at that.

You get in out of the rain, that's common sense. You don't touch hot surfaces, that's common sense. You eat when your hungry, drink when your thirsty, that's commonsense. It's what liberals lack as they want someone else to do it all for them. All your arguing here is communist sense.

Gaffer, that is one excellent paragraph. You should make it your sig. :salute:

[red states rule]

This sounds reasonable, and I believe you, but how does it square with your statement that you would revoke your citizenship if Palin is elected? Why isn't Palin a good balance to Obama?

and yet we have Joe Biden - the economic genius - who stated the US is spending trillions to avoid going bankrupt

or "Look, John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number-one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S, jobs."

and he is such an expert on US history

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened."

Only problem was, FDR ws not President at that tiome, and the TV was not for sale in stores

So I laugh when people spout off how dumb Ms Palin is -considering they voted for Biden for VP (and the much less experienced Obama for President)

[SassyLady]

Wonderful job staying on topic. Weird how every response to Palin is turned into obama bashing. This thread is about Palin. My responses are about Palin. Your responses to my Palin comments are all "obama sucks" sound bites. Get it through your skull that I don't love obama and I don't consider myself liberal. Not that it's a crime. I voted bush and I would have voted mccain if he hadn't picked a total dumbass.

Did you miss the main topic of this thread .... it is all about Palin pointing out Obama's failures.......so I believe we are on topic when we confirm what Palin said.

From original post:


She ripped Obama a new one in her speech



You, however, are the one wanting to turn this thread into a Palin bashing thread and get off topic.

[bullypulpit]

The more I see and here Sarah Palin, the more I like her. She has a fire that was not allowed to be on display in the last election.

She ripped Obama a new one in her speech

As while the liberal media and the rank and file libs hate her with a passion - she continues to speak out and say what so many Americans are thinking


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On fire? Only if she and Michelle Bachman engaged in a Brittany/Madonna style lip-lock. As for "bringing down the house", well, if you're that easily impressed by prose more devoid of intellectual content than the Atacama Desert is of water, then more's the pity for the nation and the GOP.

[pete311]

This sounds reasonable, and I believe you, but how does it square with your statement that you would revoke your citizenship if Palin is elected? Why isn't Palin a good balance to Obama?

I admit it might have been a hyperbole. From my understand there can only be one president at a time. If she wants to run for senate, by all means.

RSR would you like to respond to my #100 post?

[red states rule]

On fire? Only if she and Michelle Bachman engaged in a Brittany/Madonna style lip-lock. As for "bringing down the house", well, if you're that easily impressed by prose more devoid of intellectual content than the Atacama Desert is of water, then more's the pity for the nation and the GOP.

and like most Obama supporters BP, you do take anytime to explain how Obama's polices are working - or why Obama and Dems are tanking in the polls

You also will not justify why Dems are obsessed with pushing their social aganda while ignoring the economy

All you have is personal attacks since you - like the rest of us - watch liberals rack up failure after failure

[SassyLady]

ok I watched the two videos posted here. These are my observations.

1st video: No ideas, no solutions. She criticizes obama on cuba, honduras, china, iran, afganistan, and israel. offers no counter solutions.

As she should ..... when a president is making mistakes they should be pointed out. I see no problem with what she did in this video




2nd video:

My understanding is that we don't have enough oil to last long anyway no matter how much we drill. 134b is 3% of the worlds total reserve. Enough to last us 18 years if we could drill at max capacity which we aren't close to. oils platforms and refineries take years to build. by then i hope we have a viable alternative anyway.

18 years of using our own oil is 18 years of not being dependent on countries that hate us. Imagine the amount of jobs that would be created by opening up drilling and build refineries. We have started toward solving two problems....providing more oil and creating jobs.




Palin says we need to feed our hungry industry with more energy. But then says we need to use less and use it more efficient. Good, but she fails to explain how to achieve that.

She will probably use the same experts that Obama will use ... no one expects him to personally come up with the way it will be achieved.




She wants to use tax incentives to drive alternative energy sales. Isn't that like handing money out? Cash for Clunkers gave people a big tax deduction to buy a new car.

No it isn't. It is keeping the money in the pockets of the people who are actively working to get something done. We are not "giving" them money we have collected from others.




Why is Palin, a presidential prospect, responding to a hack like ann coulter. Who cares about ann coulter. It's like Bill Gates responding in a press conference what some nutjob on the street is saying about him.

I know you don't like it when we bring Obama's name into the situation, but are you going to tell me that our president has not responded to what he considers a "hack"? Why do you continue to hold Palin to a different standard than Obama?




Palin wants to encourage innovation. Wonderful, please tell me how. She wants to empower states to find solutions. Wonderful, tell me how.

Reducing the scope of government.



Wind farms are good, but they are comprehensive as they can't be built everywhere. There is not space and perhaps not enough wind to run NYC.

Then they will have to use an alterate source.


Palin wants to create a competitive climate for new energy solutions. Cool, tell me now. btw, I think there are at least a dozen credible new energy solutions battling it out now.

Good, then she is on the right track.



America will invent the next big innovation. Who cares. Let's just find it. If the Danish figure it out great. What are we in a sports league here? It's not us versus the world. We all share the planet and it's gettin much smaller.

By competitive I think she means not stifling innovation by the heavy hand of government. She wants reduced government because she knows that Americans flourish with innovation when there is less government intervention.

Hope this helps.

[stephanie]

and like most Obama supporters BP, you do take anytime to explain how Obama's polices are working - or why Obama and Dems are tanking in the polls

You also will not justify why Dems are obsessed with pushing their social aganda while ignoring the economy

All you have is personal attacks since you - like the rest of us - watch liberals rack up failure after failure

yep, the Bully dear has now become just another shrill parrot of left wing talking points for the Progressive party. shame really. he used to be somewhat reasonable. I guess watching his party Implode with the American people will do that to a person.:laugh2:

[pete311]

As she should ..... when a president is making mistakes they should be pointed out. I see no problem with what she did in this video
No problems, but it's not useful in any way. In fact did didn't even explain why she thought those things were wrong. She just made a list.



18 years of using our own oil is 18 years of not being dependent on countries that hate us. Imagine the amount of jobs that would be created by opening up drilling and build refineries. We have started toward solving two problems....providing more oil and creating jobs.

Near sighted I agree with you. However 18 years is not long at all, especially when it will take a decade to build everything needed to get to max capacity. What will happen to all those jobs and infrastructure when the oil runs dry. The more we pump oil the less demand for alternative energy solutions. BUT, yes, we should increase output to ease demands, but it must be a smale slice of the complete plan.



She will probably use the same experts that Obama will use ... no one expects him to personally come up with the way it will be achieved.

True, but I still expect more fleshed out answers. Her speeches are something you or I could come up with. If you were surrounded by experts would you personally be fit to run the states?



I know you don't like it when we bring Obama's name into the situation, but are you going to tell me that our president has not responded to what he considers a "hack"? Why do you continue to hold Palin to a different standard than Obama?

I would criticize obama in that respect too. Do you have a video?





Reducing the scope of government.

How?



By competitive I think she means not stifling innovation by the heavy hand of government. She wants reduced government because she knows that Americans flourish with innovation when there is less government intervention.


I generally agree with this.

[SassyLady]

No problems, but it's not useful in any way. In fact did didn't even explain why she thought those things were wrong. She just made a list.

She was at a Tea Party event - the attendees are educated on why they are wrong .... no need to go into the particulars.




Near sighted I agree with you. However 18 years is not long at all, especially when it will take a decade to build everything needed to get to max capacity. What will happen to all those jobs and infrastructure when the oil runs dry. The more we pump oil the less demand for alternative energy solutions. BUT, yes, we should increase output to ease demands, but it must be a smale slice of the complete plan.

Don't disagree with you on this but I'm sure that in the intervening 18 years innovative ideas will continue to bubble up (if government gets out of the way) and those people who worked on the oil rigs (when the oil dries up) will find jobs in other areas of the world where new rigs are being installed. Why are you so intent on putting up roadblocks to creating jobs NOW?



True, but I still expect more fleshed out answers. Her speeches are something you or I could come up with. If you were surrounded by experts would you personally be fit to run the states?

Me personally? Nope - don't have the patience to put up with progressives. Would break all kinds of constitutional laws to get them eliminated.

However, getting back to the topic of Palin being on fire ... Every president since we started this has surrounded themselves with experts and advisors because it is more important that they have leadership skills, not on being an expert on any one subject (nuclear arms, foreign policies, healthcare, industry, etc.) Leadership is the art of motivating a group of people to act towards achieving a common goal. I would say at this point Sarah Palin is as qualified to be a leader as Obama is....both of them are motivating people to move to a common goal. Her goal is to eliminate corruption and waste in our government, and to build a strong defense for America.



I would criticize obama in that respect too. Do you have a video?

Nope ... can't stand the man so don't watch videos of him. Got enough of him in the last two years to last a lifetime. Perhaps someone else can come up with a video for you.


How?

Repeal healthcare for one.



I generally agree with this.

YAY!!!! Pete agrees with Palin on something!!!

Thanks for being open-minded enough to see that there is one thing you can support Sarah Palin about.

[Cap'n Chew]

What successful polices are you talking about? Obama has gotten everything he wanted and he has been in offcie for 15 months and things have gotten worse

The stimulus was a pork loaded bill that has created zero jobs

Obamacare will bust the budget, cost jobs, and companies are already saying it will cost them BILLIONS

Massive tax increase that will further drive the economy down

How do you spin all the different polls showing how pissed off voters are Joe? Are all those polls biased? Or are the American people to stupid to undersatnd the greatness of Obama?

Things have gotten worse?

The DOW is up from it's low in March 2009 of about 6500, to last Friday where we closed at 10,997.

We went from 750,000 jobs lost in January 2009, to a net gain of 160,000 last March, the biggest one-month gain in three years.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mupm2BmIjtc/S7ZwZRn4mFI/AAAAAAAALQY/9adN70fVUAU/s400/chart+jobs.jpg

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

Our GDP went from over -6% to nearly +6% within a year.

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdp_large.gif

Things are getting better, it'll take some time to get back to where we were, but we will get there.

[pete311]

She was at a Tea Party event - the attendees are educated on why they are wrong .... no need to go into the particulars.
Noted, but then the chosen video was a weak one to use for this thread.



Why are you so intent on putting up roadblocks to creating jobs NOW?

Certainly I am not, but the long term future of the US should be considered. How about the gov hire more road construction. My city is still riddled with crumbling roads and bridges.



YAY!!!! Pete agrees with Palin on something!!!

Thanks for being open-minded enough to see that there is one thing you can support Sarah Palin about.

I appreciate the props, even if it is backhanded ;) However on second thought it's just not that easy to say we need less gov. Take for example the economic crisis we just went though. I believe that was caused because we didn't have enough regulation in the bank sector. In fact Bush repealed some laws that would helped prevent it. So more gov is needed in some areas.

[Abbey Marie]

I admit it might have been a hyperbole. From my understand there can only be one president at a time. If she wants to run for senate, by all means.

RSR would you like to respond to my #100 post?

Well, you called her a Presidential prospect. I assumed that was the scenario we were discussing.

Thanks for the admission. You are imo way above th Hollywood libs who would never admit to hyperbole.

This is not directed to you, but I do notice that when libs are unhappy about a potential president, they tend to use statements like they will "leave the country". When conservatives are in the same situation, they tend to talk about how they fear the country will be irretrievably damaged, but they do not talk of leaving. I maintain, (to much criticism I am sure), that this is one example of why conservatives are true patriots. :salute:

[red states rule]

Things have gotten worse?

The DOW is up from it's low in March 2009 of about 6500, to last Friday where we closed at 10,997.

We went from 750,000 jobs lost in January 2009, to a net gain of 160,000 last March, the biggest one-month gain in three years.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mupm2BmIjtc/S7ZwZRn4mFI/AAAAAAAALQY/9adN70fVUAU/s400/chart+jobs.jpg

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

Our GDP went from over -6% to nearly +6% within a year.

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdp_large.gif

Things are getting better, it'll take some time to get back to where we were, but we will get there.

Obamacare is already costing companies BILLIONS

The deficit has gone from $500 billion to $1.5 TRILLION

The budget is near $4 trillion

Dems are wanting TRILLIONS in new taxes - including a $1/gal increase in the federal gas tax

More then half of the jobs added last month were TEMP jobs

Obama and the Dems are still only interested in social programs and ignoring the economy

Is it any wonder Obama has hit new lows in his approval rating, Congress is in the teens, and about only 1/3 feel the country is headed in the right direction?

[SassyLady]

Well, you called her a Presidential prospect. I assumed that was the scenario we were discussing.

Thanks for the admission. You are imo way above th Hollywood libs who would never admit to hyperbole.

This is not directed to you, but I do notice that when libs are unhappy about a potential president, they tend to use statements like they will "leave the country". When conservatives are in the same situation, they tend to talk about how they fear the country will be irretrievably damaged, but they do not talk of leaving. I maintain, (to much criticism I am sure), that this is one example of why conservatives are true patriots. :salute:

I would say that in my experience cowards run and the courageous stay and fight for what they believe in. So, even though we fear the country will be changed, we are willing to stick it out and get it back on track.

And, as it has been mentioned before, who has really left? Did Michael Moore leave when Bush was elected? No!!! And he broke my heart when he didn't keep his promise. :slap:

[SassyLady]

Noted, but then the chosen video was a weak one to use for this thread.

Once again, do you not remember what this thread is about? It is about the fact that Palin is "on fire" and bringing the house down. The videos posted here attest to that fact.

You don't like Palin .... we get that! I just don't understand why you are, in vain I might add, trying to debunk the fact that she is having a huge impact on people around the nation....she is setting a fire under people's backsides! Woohoo!



Certainly I am not, but the long term future of the US should be considered. How about the gov hire more road construction. My city is still riddled with crumbling roads and bridges.

Hey, I'm OK with your county, city or state raising your taxes to fix your roads. Just don't tax me to fix your roads. I am OK with a portion of my income taxes supporting the interstate system, but not every pot hole in every community. That is a community responsibility and you can leave that community or state if they are not taking care of you. Move where your dollar is being used wisely. Just don't expect me to put more in the pot for your community .... I need to support my own community.



I appreciate the props, even if it is backhanded ;) However on second thought it's just not that easy to say we need less gov. Take for example the economic crisis we just went though. I believe that was caused because we didn't have enough regulation in the bank sector. In fact Bush repealed some laws that would helped prevent it. So more gov is needed in some areas.

I think the point is that the regulations, even when in place, are controlled by corrupt politicians. Gov. Palin's primary focus will be to eliminate corruption in government as she did in Alaska. And, as long as the government is corrupt, all the regulations in the world will not help us.

[bullypulpit]

and like most Obama supporters BP, you do take anytime to explain how Obama's polices are working - or why Obama and Dems are tanking in the polls

You also will not justify why Dems are obsessed with pushing their social aganda while ignoring the economy

All you have is personal attacks since you - like the rest of us - watch liberals rack up failure after failure

Seems the markets are reacting well to Obama's policies.

<center><a href=http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/DW/W>Dow Jones>Dow-Jones Industrial Average</a></center>

And golly, he's tied with Saint Ronald Reagan after his first year in office.

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What you and your fellow travelers fail to realize is that social policy and economic policy go hand in hand. F'rinstance, a single payer health care system would cut the costs of insurance out of companies bottom line allowing them to invest in new technology and equipment and enhance their ability to compete in the global market place.

As for personal attacks...well gosh Red, if Caribou Barbie and the rest of the sorry-assed excuses the GOP has for leadership now, I would have something to work with in offering constructive criticism. Never mind the legions of drones, such as yourself, who simply repeat the spew of the RWN punditocracy.

[jimnyc]

And golly, he's tied with Saint Ronald Reagan after his first year in office.

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And where does his job approval stand now? And how about the democrat lead congress?

[SassyLady]

Never mind the legions of drones, such as yourself, who simply repeat the spew of the RWN punditocracy.

You really don't see yourself as a drone who simply repeats the spew and hatred of the left wing progressive liberals?

If not, where does the stuff you spew here originates?

[HogTrash]

meh, I don't think so. There is no way Palin gets into office next term.I never suggested she would or is even interested.


Again, you stack her against someone with intelligence in 9-10 debates and I think you'll find her quite unimpressive.I would stack her against Obama any time and any place...Of course, I don't believe Obama is all that bright.


All her speeches are grandiose pep rally rhetoric.This is a quality of any leader who is worth their salt.


Find me a video where she actually details out some plans. Show me her logic, arguments, charts, math equations. Something that shows she can problem solve at the root level rather than just using worthless high level statements she read out of a conservative childrens book. That video posted in the OP is worthless.Apparently, other than snipped clips and sound bites by your left wing media, you have listened to very little of Sarah Palin in detail.


She bashes obama without giving one alternate solution.You can't judge Palin's intelligence by this.

Millions of people who aren't smart enough to figure out the solution are smart enough to know that Obama's socialist policies are doomed to failure.

The fact that you don't get it speaks volumes about your powers of deduction.

[red states rule]

Seems the markets are reacting well to Obama's policies.

<center><a href=http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/DW/W>Dow Jones>Dow-Jones Industrial Average</a></center>

And golly, he's tied with Saint Ronald Reagan after his first year in office.

<center><img src=http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/s9mr5tegfeg14_qjhzqgga.gif></center>

What you and your fellow travelers fail to realize is that social policy and economic policy go hand in hand. F'rinstance, a single payer health care system would cut the costs of insurance out of companies bottom line allowing them to invest in new technology and equipment and enhance their ability to compete in the global market place.

As for personal attacks...well gosh Red, if Caribou Barbie and the rest of the sorry-assed excuses the GOP has for leadership now, I would have something to work with in offering constructive criticism. Never mind the legions of drones, such as yourself, who simply repeat the spew of the RWN punditocracy.

OLD poll BP. Obama wishes he was at 57% :laugh2:

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CBS poll has Obama at an all time low as well

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/04/02/image6356672.gif

and the latest Gallup has Obama at 45%

http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx


and despite all the selling of Obamcare, the people still are not buying it

54% Still Favor Repeal of Health Care Law

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/march_2010/health_care_law


BP, people want Dems to work on the economy and jobs - not pushing their social agenda

[Joe Steel]

How will massive deficts, spending, and tax increases help the economy?

Spending is the only way to end a recession. Borrowing and taxation will fund spending.

[Gaffer]

Spending is the only way to end a recession. Borrowing and taxation will fund spending.

Your just plain stupid.

[PostmodernProphet]

Spending is the only way to end a recession. Borrowing and taxation will fund spending.

is it better if that spending is done by the government or better if that spending is done by people?.....is it being spent on things that factories produce or is it being spent on hiring another bureaucrat for a year.....

[pete311]

Your just plain stupid.

at least his grammar is correct

[Gaffer]

at least his grammar is correct

His grammar is correct, and he's still just plain stupid. Whether I use your or you're is irrelevant. The message is the same.

[Joe Steel]

is it better if that spending is done by the government or better if that spending is done by people?.....is it being spent on things that factories produce or is it being spent on hiring another bureaucrat for a year.....

Government spending is better. The most important attribute of any spending program is getting the money to those who will spend it. Usually this the poor and middle-class. Government can target it's spending to get money to the poor and middle-class. Cutting taxes to "allow taxpayers to keep more of their own money" is unreliable. They may or may not spend it.

[PostmodernProphet]

Government can target it's spending to get money to the poor and middle-class.

then why didn't they do that....

[HogTrash]

Spending is the only way to end a recession. Borrowing and taxation will fund spending. :laugh2: :laugh: :lol: No comment... :lmao:

My momma told me, "if ya can't say somethin nice, keep your big mouth shut". :smoke:

[Mr. P]

Government spending is better. The most important attribute of any spending program is getting the money to those who will spend it. Usually this the poor and middle-class. Government can target it's spending to get money to the poor and middle-class. Cutting taxes to "allow taxpayers to keep more of their own money" is unreliable. They may or may not spend it.

Nahh they'll stuff the mattress with it or bury it in the yard. IDIOT!

If they don't spend it, it goes in the bank and the bank loans it..so it's spent in that IT DOES go into the economy...You are such a fool, Slow Joe.