Could an independent Texas survive economically? The facts say 'Yes'

[crin63]

Interesting article and consideration.



Many of those who scoff at the notion of Texas independence do so by trying to paint a portrait of a trailer-park redneck republic which slides rapidly into Third World status without the many intricate connections to its sister states fostered by the benevolent government in Washington, D.C.

"...its worth would crater precipitously, after NAFTA rejected it and the United States slapped it with an embargo that would make Cuba look like a free-trade zone," one blogger predicts. "Indeed, Texas would quick become the next North Korea, relying on foreign aid due to its insistence on relying on itself.

"In short: the state of Texas would rapidly become direly impoverished, would need to be heavily armed, and would be wracked with existential domestic and foreign policy threats. It would probably make our failed states list in short order. Probably better to pay the damn taxes."

But is that an accurate portrait -- and are the "damned taxes" the problem? The facts suggest otherwise.

For starters, the Texas economy isn't based on trailer-park economics.

As noted in Wikipedia, the Texas economy is the largest one that's still growing in the U.S., and in 2006 the state was home of six of the top 50 companies on the Fortune 500 list and 58 of the top 500 -- the most of any state. In 2008, the state had a Gross Domestic Product of $1.245 trillion, second-largest in the U.S. and 15th-largest in the world.

Texas currently conducts more than $150 billion a year in trade with other nations; it leads all other states in exports, and has for five consecutive years. In 2005, per-capita domestic production in Texas was $42,975 per person.

Them toothless trailer-park hoochie mommas sure do know how to work, don't they?

http://www.examiner.com/x-24030-Texas-Nationalist-Examiner~y2009m10d12-Could-an-independent-Texas-survive-economically-The-facts-say-Yes

[chloe]

Interesting article. Would you move your family to Texas crin63? I think some other states would survive Independent too. Utah & Arizona along with Texas. I am not sure if Kentucky would or not.

[glockmail]

I'd rather live in Utah.

[chloe]

I'd rather live in Utah.

Really? I wish there was a list of states planning the big breakaway. Texas isn't so bad I used to live there.:salute:

[Binky]

I have two brothers and a sister and their families that live in Texas. I would have to consult with them first before deciding to make a move there. I'm sure they'd be more than able to clue me in as to their states problems, taxes etc., and it's whole political shabang.....

[Trigg]

I could see Texas doing very well as an independent country. They're not land locked and they border Mexico, two big pluses if they decide to leave the union.

Also, why assume the US would "slap it with an embargo"??? Plenty of people have ties to Texas and I would think those Americans would be against any retribution by the gov. I certainly would, since I have cousins in the state.

[SassyLady]

Why would they have to fight to secede? Aren't they allowed to leave voluntarily? Would Mexico try to move in and take over again? Lots of questions.

[glockmail]

Really? I wish there was a list of states planning the big breakaway. Texas isn't so bad I used to live there.:salute:I'm sure TX is fine, but there's no place to ski.

[glockmail]

Why would they have to fight to secede? Aren't they allowed to leave voluntarily? Would Mexico try to move in and take over again? Lots of questions.I heard that they have the option to break themselves into five states, thus increasing their Senate representation from 2 to ten.

Nice legs, by the way. :)

[crin63]

Interesting article. Would you move your family to Texas crin63? I think some other states would survive Independent too. Utah & Arizona along with Texas. I am not sure if Kentucky would or not.

My family lives in Texas and they have been trying to get us to move there for 10 years or so. When this country collapses under the weight of this out of control tyrannical government I'm not sure what any of us will do.

Personally I love Northern Arizona and would love to live there.

[bullypulpit]

Heh...Just goes to show that Texas is neither too small to be a country nor too large to be an insane asylum.

But more to the point, y'alls complaints about "this tyrannical government" are no more than rantings of petulant children. Your complaints also reveal a profound ignorance of just what tyranny and oppression REALLY are. Is trying to make sure everyone has access to affordable health care REALLY the same as the slave labor used in Burma or North Korea? That's basically the moral equivalence y'all, and the RWN talking heads you parrot, are trying to make. And it sounds reeeeeally stupid. 'Course, if the shoe fits... :rolleyes:

Stop being such a bunch of whiny gits and grow up for chrissakes. At the vary least, think for yourselves and stop being such mindless tools.

[glockmail]

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Stop being such a bunch of whiny gits and grow up for chrissakes. At the vary least, think for yourselves and stop being such mindless tools. How ironic, Chimpy.

[CSM]

How ironic, Chimpy.

Bully, like many other libs are dismayed because the "silent majority" is no longer silent. He and those like him do not want an informed citizen that disagrees with their liberal crap spouting off.

[revelarts]

Heh...Just goes to show that Texas is neither too small to be a country nor too large to be an insane asylum.

But more to the point, y'alls complaints about "this tyrannical government" are no more than rantings of petulant children. Your complaints also reveal a profound ignorance of just what tyranny and oppression REALLY are. Is trying to make sure everyone has access to affordable health care REALLY the same as the slave labor used in Burma or North Korea? That's basically the moral equivalence y'all, and the RWN talking heads you parrot, are trying to make. And it sounds reeeeeally stupid. 'Course, if the shoe fits... :rolleyes:

Stop being such a bunch of whiny gits and grow up for chrissakes. At the vary least, think for yourselves and stop being such mindless tools.


See I don't understand this left right squabble,
When Bush was president Many people on the left threatened or promised they would "move to Canada" if Bush where elected president again (or stole the election again, (Which he did by the way)). They Wanted Health Care and a more socialist country (and they said less war but not much on that now a days huh?). Constitution Somstitution we need health care in the U.S..
But now thr right are CRAZY TOOLS to want move to another country. Because of the obvious and real CHANGE from a sortof capitalistic free Republic to a more socialist state.

My problem with the Right is that while Bush (and now Obama) was pissing on the constitution FOR OUR SAFETY that was O.k. or "where gonna DIE!"

But the Core principals of the founders weren't "SAFETY" or "SECURITY" it was FREEDOM. freedom from oppressive, over reaching, unaccountable gov't.. The bill of rights wasn't something to throw out when republicans came to power. Or when a few hundred guys in towels threaten you.

Both parties have betrayed the constitution for it's own ends for years until now it's hanging by threads God help us all

[revelarts]

One thing that is interesting about the secession move (which I think has some really good aspects) is that there's no talk of any proposed new states having to be a world military super power. I don't hear talk of Texas needing to "BOMB IRAN" because it might get nukes any minute. Or Vermont saying they need a military bases in Kuiat and Korea to protect it's interest. Or a New Hamshpire needing to assassinate Chavez. Will Texas send troops to Afghanistan?

Those ideas don't make any sense for smaller countries do they? they really don't make much sense to larger ones either if you really look at it hmm?

[CSM]

One thing that is interesting about the secession move (which I think has some really good aspects) is that there's no talk of any proposed new states having to be a world military super power. I don't hear talk of Texas needing to "BOMB IRAN" because it might get nukes any minute. Or Vermont saying they need a military bases in Kuiat and Korea to protect it's interest. Or a Delaware needing to assassinate Chavez. Will Texas send troops to Afghanistan?

Those ideas don't make any sense for smaller countries do they? they really don't make much sense to larger ones either if you really look at it hmm?

Good points for discussion! A lot of that foreign policy stance resulted from WW II and the Cold War. That plus the mentality that the US is considered a "superpower". I suspect that as US power and influence declines (due mostly to our own government's ineptitude) those foreign policy positions will become more like those of Europe.

As for Texas, they may not send troops to Afghanistan but I bet they would cast some scrutiny on Mexico!

[HogTrash]

If Texas went independent and suspended many of it's social programs, billions of dollars could go back into it's infrastructure and economy and many of the nonproductive texans would migrate to other states, which would also eliminate many of their minority problems, including crime.

I would also imagine the Texas/Mexican border could be made more secure under total Lone Star control with the elimination of federal government involvement in it's affairs...Texans, as a rule, don't pussy foot around as bad as Washington DC...The Nation Of Texas sounds like a very good idea to me.

Hmmm?...If Texas was successful in this endeavor, I could see New Mexico and Arizona possibly petitioning to join them down the road, to be part of their new Lone Star Nation.

[crin63]

Personally I find the whole premise an interesting idea.

The problem is that too many Liberals from places like California have moved there and are starting to ruin Texas. Whats Texas coming too if Houston elected a lesbo as mayor. Those Liberals are going to eventually ruin Texas as well.

Texas should have a moratorium on people moving there from California and other Blue States. Maybe they need an entrance exam as well, lol.

[HogTrash]

Personally I find the whole premise an interesting idea.

The problem is that too many Liberals from places like California have moved there and are starting to ruin Texas. Whats Texas coming too if Houston elected a lesbo as mayor. Those Liberals are going to eventually ruin Texas as well.

Texas should have a moratorium on people moving there from California and other Blue States. Maybe they need an entrance exam as well, lol.A great benefit to us is that liberals and their minority counterparts prefer to congregate in the urban areas for the most part.

Their herd mentality helps in keeping them all together, which makes them easy to keep an eye on and much more managable.

[CSM]

A great benefit to us is that liberals and their minority counterparts prefer to congregate in the urban areas for the most part.

Their herd mentality helps in keeping them all together, which makes them easy to keep an eye on and much more managable.

Not to mention, much easier to take out with a nuclear strike or chem/bio attack. If worse comes to worst, they will get to experience the result of Obama's foreign policy first hand.

[HogTrash]

Not to mention, much easier to take out with a nuclear strike or chem/bio attack. If worse comes to worst, they will get to experience the result of Obama's foreign policy first hand.Their preferred habitat does make them desirable targets for terrorists and others looking to get more bang for their buck. :beer:

[glockmail]

Personally I find the whole premise an interesting idea.

The problem is that too many Liberals from places like California have moved there and are starting to ruin Texas. Whats Texas coming too if Houston elected a lesbo as mayor. Those Liberals are going to eventually ruin Texas as well.

Texas should have a moratorium on people moving there from California and other Blue States. Maybe they need an entrance exam as well, lol.

Just pass a law that a cop will not respond to a simple home invasion, and that all home owners and renters are required to own guns.

[glockmail]

Bully, like many other libs are dismayed because the "silent majority" is no longer silent. He and those like him do not want an informed citizen that disagrees with their liberal crap spouting off. That's a good point. Folks are beginning to speak out. Just today I was walking out of the Ace hardware store and this cute gal in front of me walks to her car next to mine and she's got an Obama sticker on the back. So I call over to her "How's that hopey-changy thing doing for you now?" She couldn't sneak away fast enough.

Ordinary folks are calling these O-Bots out, like Chimpy, and they don't seem to like it.

[SassyLady]

My family lives in Texas and they have been trying to get us to move there for 10 years or so. When this country collapses under the weight of this out of control tyrannical government I'm not sure what any of us will do.

Personally I love Northern Arizona and would love to live there.

My mother-in-law lives in Flagstaff (lots of snow); my sister-in-law in Showlow and my daughter in Tucson..........and all three are completely different climates. My MIL bought property about 20 years ago to build a retreat ... for all the expatriates of CA. Couldn't find water after drilling in three different places and then finally sold it.

Parker and Lake Havasu are nice.

I've often thought of New Mexico.

[crin63]

My mother-in-law lives in Flagstaff (lots of snow); my sister-in-law in Showlow and my daughter in Tucson..........and all three are completely different climates. My MIL bought property about 20 years ago to build a retreat ... for all the expatriates of CA. Couldn't find water after drilling in three different places and then finally sold it.

Parker and Lake Havasu are nice.

I've often thought of New Mexico.

Too much partying and old memories going on at Parker and Havasu :eek:

I really like the Prescott area and interestingly enough my great, greats lived there right after the War of Northern Aggression. My great grandfather that's buried there is the highest ranking Confederate officer buried in Arizona.