View Full Version : School expels transgender student, same one that canceled prom over lesbian student
LiberalNation
03-26-2010, 09:26 PM
they just want to get sued. they can't deny someone an education over gender orientation.
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2010/03/24/itawamba-agricultural-high-school-suspended-a-transgendered-student-back-in-january
Constance McMillen wasn't the first student at Itawamba Agricultural High School to contact the ACLU this year.
Juin Baize was a student at Itawamba Agricultural—for a grand total of four hours.
Baize, his mother, and his two sisters moved to Fulton, Mississippi, from New Harmony, Indiana, to live with Baize's grandmother at the beginning of the year. (For now Baize says he prefers to use male pronouns.) Baize, age sixteen, enrolled at Itwamba Agricultural High School, where Constance McMillen was also a student. McMilllen clearly recalled Baize's first—and only—day at Itawamba Agricultural.
"People were talking about him all day, trying to get a look at him," said McMillen. "It was insane, it was ridiculous, it made me so mad. They said he was causing a distraction with what he was wearing but it was a half day of school and people didn’t have time to get used to him."
The other students wouldn't be given a chance to get used to him: the next time Baize came to school, according Kristy Bennett, legal director of the ACLU of Mississippi, Baize was given a suspension notice and sent home. When Juin returned to school after his first suspension, he was suspended again.
“Juin’s case was a situation where a transgender student wanted to attend school dressed in feminine clothing," said Bennett, "and the school district would not even let him attend school."
The reasons for a student's suspension are supposed to be noted on the suspension form, according to Bennett, but that part of Baize's suspension notice was left blank. So the ACLU sent a letter to the school on Baize's behalf asking the school administration for the reasoning behind his suspension—information the ACLU would need in order to challenge Baize's suspension in court.
"But the school would not talk to us about the situation," said Bennett.
Baize's suspension was written about in the local paper in February—which prompted Baize's grandmother to order her daughter and her three grandchildren to move out of her house. I spoke with Baize's mother, Beverly Bertsinger, last week. At the time she and her three children were staying in the home of a friend-of-a-friend.
“If I had the money, I would move the kids somewhere else, somewhere they would be safe,” Bertsinger told me. “I wish we could move somewhere for my son, somewhere a transgender teenager would be safe. I worry about him constantly. Everywhere he goes he goes with me.”
Baize's appearance and the fact that he, unlike Constance McMillen, was perceived as a trouble-making outsider made living in Fulton increasingly impossible. Beverly Baize couldn't find work because, she believes, Fulton is a small town and people disapproved of her son. Juin was harassed when he left the house, according to Beverly Baize, so she stopped letting him go out alone and then stopped letting him go out at all.
“I’m so afraid for him,” Bertsinger told me last week. “I support him. I buy him the clothing to wear as a female. I just want him to be safe.”
darin
03-27-2010, 08:39 AM
If kids can't follow the rules, they should be expelled. The sad thing is the parents aren't getting the kid the mental help the kid is crying out for.
Missileman
03-27-2010, 10:04 AM
If kids can't follow the rules, they should be expelled. The sad thing is the parents aren't getting the kid the mental help the kid is crying out for.
Point to where it said rules were being violated. From what I read, the kid was suspended for being different.
DragonStryk72
03-27-2010, 10:51 AM
Yeah, This whole thing sort of stinks, and it is the same school acting up again. This is likely a case of Old Guard guys that are trying to write policy for the school by punishing students who "deviate", and sadly, it won't end until there is a lawsuit.
LiberalNation
03-27-2010, 11:46 AM
How is virginia beach dragon, I am going to be down there the first of may if we get time after washington dc. Any special sights besides the beach to check out or good food places.
crin63
03-27-2010, 03:08 PM
Transgender attire is not wholesome, its not an acceptable standard and causes disturbances.
I'd expel the freak also.
Heres the schools dress code.
DRESS CODE
The administration and staff of IAHS recognize that students must be aware of the importance of acceptable standards of personal appearance as they move into the adult world. The school also recognizes that students are more productive when their appearance is "neat and conservative" as opposed to "sloppy and extreme." It is with these concepts in mind that the following regulations are set forth pertaining to personal appearance and grooming.
It is believed by the school that parents/legal guardians should recognize that the main purpose of public education is to provide an education for students that will allow them to become useful citizens in a global society. Thus, any disruptions or concerns caused by students as a result of dress will call for appropriate disciplinary action by the school.
Teachers must inform students regarding unacceptable attire. This must be done during homeroom period each day. The principal or designee must make judgments as to whether a student is properly groomed or dressed.
The Itawamba County School District has a compelling governmental interest to establish a school environments which will promote a more effective climate for learning; aid students in concentrating on school work; uphold modesty standards; promote a campus atmosphere of respect, pride and self-esteem; instill students with discipline; promote a wholesome environment; and be safer for the students, faculty and staff; therefore, the Itawamba County School District adopts the following dress code for its students:
1. Students in grades 6-12 will not be allowed to wear shorts, tube tops, tank tops, muscle shirts, overalls, sweatsuits, jogging pants or windsuit pants.
2. No student will be allowed to wear any clothing, item or article that promotes or advertises alcohol or the consumption of alcohol or that promotes or advertises tobacco or tobacco use or that contains profanity or suggestive or obscene writing. Clothing that advertises casinos is prohibited.
3. No students will be allowed to wear excessively baggy pants. All pants must be fitted so that no illegal or unauthorized items may be hidden therein.
4. No student will be allowed to wear fatigue pants or shorts.
5. No student will be allowed to wear a trench coat.
6. No student will be allowed to wear suggestive or indecent clothing.
7. No student will be allowed to wear clothing with suggestive or obscene symbols, pictures, numbers or writing, either manufactured or handwritten. No fraternity jerseys or shirts shall be worn.
8. Undergarments of any kind shall not be visible.
9. Skirts or dresses shall be knee length or longer.
10. Hats, caps, hoods, bandanas, head covers, or dark glasses may not be worn inside school buildings. Other articles which may interrupt the educational process may not be brought to school. Prescription sunglasses may be worn in the classroom upon order of a doctor.
11. Clothing and general appearance are not to be the type that would cause a disturbance or interfere with the instructional program and shall not constitute a health or safety hazard.
12. Shoes must be worn at all times.
13. Midriffs shall not be exposed.
14. No see-through clothing shall be permitted.
15. Clothing with holes that expose skin or undergarments shall not be worn
16. No clothing top shall be so low as to expose any part of the breast or an excessive part of the back.
17. Shirts must be buttoned.
18. Belts, if worn, must be buckled.
19. Pants are to be worn at the student's waist.
The following actions will take effect when a student violates the Student Dress Code. All offenses accumulate on a per semester basis.
Offense Consequences
First Warning and required to change clothes
Second Three days out of school suspension
Third Ten days out of school suspension
http://itawambaahs.com/
darin
03-27-2010, 03:52 PM
again - some of you folk are creul and hateful enough to allow that kid to continue in his actions? A display of LOVE would send that kid to get the therapy he needs.
LiberalNation
03-27-2010, 04:00 PM
the therapy he needs is a sex change to match his mind to his body. This isn't new, people have suffered from this throughout history and were most likely born that way.
darin
03-27-2010, 04:53 PM
you hate that person. :( 'born that way' - that's honestly as silly as saying child molesters should be given children to have sex with because the molester was 'born that way'. Or maybe murderers should be given victims because the murder "just feels this is who they are".
LiberalNation
03-27-2010, 07:21 PM
molestors are typical made thru abuse.
darin
03-28-2010, 08:55 AM
so are homosexuals, right?
BoogyMan
03-28-2010, 09:03 AM
Did you see the picture of the student in the article that LN neglected to add to the post?
I think you have hit the nail squarely on the head here.
http://www.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2010/03/24/1269468586-media1.jpeg
Transgender attire is not wholesome, its not an acceptable standard and causes disturbances.
I'd expel the freak also.
Heres the schools dress code.
http://itawambaahs.com/
LiberalNation
03-28-2010, 09:26 AM
he pulls it off rather well, most guys are too tall, broad shouldered, he's not.
BoogyMan
03-28-2010, 10:52 AM
he pulls it off rather well, most guys are too tall, broad shouldered, he's not.
He is a he, pure and simple.
Missileman
03-28-2010, 11:23 AM
Transgender attire is not wholesome, its not an acceptable standard and causes disturbances.
http://itawambaahs.com/
What you're actually arguing is transgenders aren't wholesome, or acceptable and cause disturbances, why try to hide your bias in a dress code? I have no doubt that there are plenty of girls in the school wearing similar clothing.
DragonStryk72
03-28-2010, 11:44 AM
How is virginia beach dragon, I am going to be down there the first of may if we get time after washington dc. Any special sights besides the beach to check out or good food places.
Tons, you've got Dowtown Norfolk, which has multiple museums, as well as Jillian's (adult version of Chuck E. Cheese), Kelly's Tavern, which is a local chain of Irish taverns, very good food, with reasonable prices. If you have the time though, the best places to eat are up in Williamsburg, which is about an hour away. In the Colonial area of williamsburg, you have the taverns for Colonial Williamsburg, Chouning's Tavern, Shield's Tavern, Christiana Campbell's, and King's Arms, then in Merchant's Square you have the Trellis, and just off of their Aroma's Coffee shop and cafe. In town, you have places like Captain George's Seafood Buffet, and Red, Hot & Blue to pick from.
Then there are all the crab places to go, given our convenient oceanside location. All in all, you can get pretty much anything you want in VA as far as food and entertainment.
DragonStryk72
03-28-2010, 11:49 AM
Here's what I ask: What does it have to do with edcuation? Is this really interrupting class, or are they just assuming it would disrupt class? See, this is a problem I have with schools trying to teach moral behavior, because it really isn't up to them in any case, and often leads to one person getting to define what "moral" behavior is, regardless of whether or not it is called for. They need to focus on the education, and quit trying to be something they are not.
BoogyMan
03-28-2010, 11:59 AM
What you're actually arguing is transgenders aren't wholesome, or acceptable and cause disturbances, why try to hide your bias in a dress code? I have no doubt that there are plenty of girls in the school wearing similar clothing.
The girls are not the problem, it is when a boy attends school dressed as a girl that problems begin.
Missileman
03-28-2010, 12:16 PM
Here's what I ask: What does it have to do with edcuation? Is this really interrupting class, or are they just assuming it would disrupt class? See, this is a problem I have with schools trying to teach moral behavior, because it really isn't up to them in any case, and often leads to one person getting to define what "moral" behavior is, regardless of whether or not it is called for. They need to focus on the education, and quit trying to be something they are not.
It's not even about morals...there's nothing immoral about dressing differently.
BoogyMan
03-28-2010, 12:19 PM
It's not even about morals...there's nothing immoral about dressing differently.
This is not a person simply dressing "differently." this is about a boy coming to school dressed as a girl.
Gaffer
03-28-2010, 12:59 PM
If he chooses to dress as a girl that's his right, however he can expect to be beat up and abused daily. The school wants to head off the problems it will cause by telling him no. Really very simple. Nothing comes into play here except common sense.
So the schools denying educating them to stop them being bullied?
I'm sure that if this is how this person wants to live they're gonna have to get use to being teased, stared at and so forth.
Can I ask those that have said he should be expelled, if he was post operation i.e. A girl, would it be okay for 'her' to go to the school as a girl, or would they still have to dress as a boy?
BoogyMan
03-28-2010, 02:35 PM
So the schools denying educating them to stop them being bullied?
I'm sure that if this is how this person wants to live they're gonna have to get use to being teased, stared at and so forth.
Can I ask those that have said he should be expelled, if he was post operation i.e. A girl, would it be okay for 'her' to go to the school as a girl, or would they still have to dress as a boy?
If the kid is a known transvestite and dressing as a girl, he is in clear violation of the school rules against dressing in such a way as to cause problems and should go somewhere that can cater to his issues.
HogTrash
03-28-2010, 06:07 PM
they just want to get sued. they can't deny someone an education over gender orientation.
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2010/03/24/itawamba-agricultural-high-school-suspended-a-transgendered-student-back-in-january
Constance McMillen wasn't the first student at Itawamba Agricultural High School to contact the ACLU this year.
Juin Baize was a student at Itawamba Agricultural—for a grand total of four hours.
Baize, his mother, and his two sisters moved to Fulton, Mississippi, from New Harmony, Indiana, to live with Baize's grandmother at the beginning of the year. (For now Baize says he prefers to use male pronouns.) Baize, age sixteen, enrolled at Itwamba Agricultural High School, where Constance McMillen was also a student. McMilllen clearly recalled Baize's first—and only—day at Itawamba Agricultural.
"People were talking about him all day, trying to get a look at him," said McMillen. "It was insane, it was ridiculous, it made me so mad. They said he was causing a distraction with what he was wearing but it was a half day of school and people didn’t have time to get used to him."
The other students wouldn't be given a chance to get used to him: the next time Baize came to school, according Kristy Bennett, legal director of the ACLU of Mississippi, Baize was given a suspension notice and sent home. When Juin returned to school after his first suspension, he was suspended again.
“Juin’s case was a situation where a transgender student wanted to attend school dressed in feminine clothing," said Bennett, "and the school district would not even let him attend school."
The reasons for a student's suspension are supposed to be noted on the suspension form, according to Bennett, but that part of Baize's suspension notice was left blank. So the ACLU sent a letter to the school on Baize's behalf asking the school administration for the reasoning behind his suspension—information the ACLU would need in order to challenge Baize's suspension in court.
"But the school would not talk to us about the situation," said Bennett.
Baize's suspension was written about in the local paper in February—which prompted Baize's grandmother to order her daughter and her three grandchildren to move out of her house. I spoke with Baize's mother, Beverly Bertsinger, last week. At the time she and her three children were staying in the home of a friend-of-a-friend.
“If I had the money, I would move the kids somewhere else, somewhere they would be safe,” Bertsinger told me. “I wish we could move somewhere for my son, somewhere a transgender teenager would be safe. I worry about him constantly. Everywhere he goes he goes with me.”
Baize's appearance and the fact that he, unlike Constance McMillen, was perceived as a trouble-making outsider made living in Fulton increasingly impossible. Beverly Baize couldn't find work because, she believes, Fulton is a small town and people disapproved of her son. Juin was harassed when he left the house, according to Beverly Baize, so she stopped letting him go out alone and then stopped letting him go out at all.
“I’m so afraid for him,” Bertsinger told me last week. “I support him. I buy him the clothing to wear as a female. I just want him to be safe.”The onslaught of political correctness with it's allies like the ACLU and SPLC, has demanded that validity be given to perversion.
The enemies of America are aware that the acceptance of immorality will hasten the demise of even the most powerful of nations.
Missileman
03-28-2010, 09:21 PM
The onslaught of political correctness with it's allies like the ACLU and SPLC, has demanded that validity be given to perversion.
The enemies of America are aware that the acceptance of immorality will hasten the demise of even the most powerful of nations.
If dressing differently is immoral to you, you should invest in some new ones.
HogTrash
03-28-2010, 10:01 PM
If dressing differently is immoral to you, you should invest in some new ones.An all too typical liberal remark...Boring, ignorant and void of imagination.
I'm amazed I even bothered to respond...I must really be bored tonight.
Abbey Marie
03-28-2010, 10:10 PM
After he gets it all lopped off, he can wear a dress and use the girls room. Until then, he should follow the boy's dress code. End of story.
Oh and his mom should do him a big favor and home school him for now.
Missileman
03-28-2010, 10:22 PM
An all too typical liberal remark...Boring, ignorant and void of imagination.
I'm amazed I even bothered to respond...I must really be bored tonight.
Another same ol' trick from the one trick pony...get a new act when you get your new morals.
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