Canadians damn sure don't like Ann Coulter very much... [Archive] - Debate Policy

HogTrash

03-25-2010, 05:56 PM

BoogyMan

03-25-2010, 06:00 PM

The Canukistannis are an unusual lot. :)

namvet

03-25-2010, 06:14 PM

no wonder they took a back seat in the great war. who wants em ????

HogTrash

03-25-2010, 07:00 PM

The Canukistannis are an unusual lot. :)"Unusual lot"?...That's it?...You are an American aren't you, BoogyMan?

You don't think a neighboring nation that's so much like the US, that has abolished free speech and the right to express their opinions, is a little more than "unusual"?

Do you see any simularities between Canada and the US?...They have adopted the socialist system of government and we are now moving in that same direction?

They have adopted a government healthcare system and we are presently in the process of creating our own, despite the protest by the majority of Americans?

America is struggling with decades of speech restrictions due to political correctness and they lost the freedom of speech by making political correctness the law?

Canada is a crystal ball giving us a glimpse into the future of America...The tracks in the snow and the pile of warm bear shit should be signaling you to beware.

Kathianne

03-25-2010, 07:03 PM

"Unusual lot"?...That's it?...You are an American aren't you, BoogyMan?

You don't think a neighboring nation that's so much like the US, that has abolished free speech and the right to express their opinions, is a little more than "unusual"?

Do you see any simularities between Canada and the US?...They have adopted the socialist system of government and we are now moving in that same direction?

They have adopted a government healthcare system and we are presently in the process of creating our own, despite the protest by the majority of Americans?

America is struggling with decades of speech restrictions due to political correctness and they lost the freedom of speech by making political correctness the law?

Canada is a crystal ball giving us a glimpse into the future of America...The tracks in the snow and the pile of warm bear shit should be signaling you to beware.
Yes and no. Canada has always had the US to help protect it, they didn't need to spend $$$ on defense during the Cold War, if we were safe, so were they.

On the other hand, they never had a first amendment or free speech as we know it. Always more European than the US. Sort of England and France lite, in our front yard.

HogTrash

03-25-2010, 07:22 PM

Yes and no. Canada has always had the US to help protect it, they didn't need to spend $$$ on defense during the Cold War, if we were safe, so were they.

On the other hand, they never had a first amendment or free speech as we know it. Always more European than the US. Sort of England and France lite, in our front yard.True, Canada never had a bill of rights chiseled in stone, but none the less they have pretty much enjoyed the same freedoms we have and I'm sure many of them became accustomed to it.

Besides the ability to speak freely they have lost the freedom to own a gun...There are some very angry canadians who are not happy with the direction their nation has taken.

Im pretty sure the Canadians who invited Ann to speak at this university did so to make the headlines and show the world that they are nolonger able to practice freedom of speech and expression.

Maybe they were also trying to warn Americans and the world of the dangers of political correctness and what may someday be our future...I for one got the message!

BoogyMan

03-25-2010, 08:03 PM

"Unusual lot"?...That's it?...You are an American aren't you, BoogyMan?

You don't think a neighboring nation that's so much like the US, that has abolished free speech and the right to express their opinions, is a little more than "unusual"?

Do you see any simularities between Canada and the US?...They have adopted the socialist system of government and we are now moving in that same direction?

They have adopted a government healthcare system and we are presently in the process of creating our own, despite the protest by the majority of Americans?

America is struggling with decades of speech restrictions due to political correctness and they lost the freedom of speech by making political correctness the law?

Canada is a crystal ball giving us a glimpse into the future of America...The tracks in the snow and the pile of warm bear shit should be signaling you to beware.

I guess you missed that whole Canukistanni comment, eh Hog? ROFL

Kathianne

03-25-2010, 08:27 PM

True, Canada never had a bill of rights chiseled in stone, but none the less they have pretty much enjoyed the same freedoms we have and I'm sure many of them became accustomed to it.

Besides the ability to speak freely they have lost the freedom to own a gun...There are some very angry canadians who are not happy with the direction their nation has taken.

Im pretty sure the Canadians who invited Ann to speak at this university did so to make the headlines and show the world that they are nolonger able to practice freedom of speech and expression.

Maybe they were also trying to warn Americans and the world of the dangers of political correctness and what may someday be our future...I for one got the message!

Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant did that quite awhile ago. Everyone knows the differences between speech here and there. Although our is changing, no doubt about that.

HogTrash

03-25-2010, 08:33 PM

I guess you missed that whole Canukistanni comment, eh Hog? ROFLNo, I caught it and you did fine Boog. :beer: My rude ass was just using your post as a vehicle to make my point.

I was afraid nobody else would post and I so much wanted to post that statement before it exited my head.

And I do feel bad for using you like a cheap whore and I don't blame you for being mad...I apologize.

BoogyMan

03-25-2010, 08:41 PM

No, I caught it and you did fine Boog. :beer: My rude ass was just using your post as a vehicle to make my point.

I was afraid nobody else would post and I so much wanted to post that statement before it exited my head.

And I do feel bad for using you like a cheap whore and I don't blame you for being mad...I apologize.

Hog, I am not angry at all.

I just thought it was funny that you didn't get the whole comparison of a country not allowing free speech to the 'stans (afghanistan etc). It speaks almost wordlessly to the idea of censorship in those countries. :)

Noir

03-25-2010, 08:49 PM

no wonder they took a back seat in the great war. who wants em ????

I think that is doing a great diservice to the tens of thosands of Canadians that gave their life in the great war.

Kathianne

03-25-2010, 08:55 PM

I think that is doing a great diservice to the tens of thosands of Canadians that gave their life in the great war.

Right you are. Canada, part of the British Commonwealth had many casualties during WWI.

Noir

03-25-2010, 09:09 PM

Right you are. Canada, part of the British Commonwealth had many casualties during WWI.

True, having looked into it a bit after namvets comments it seems that of the troops they commited about 10% died and 30% were injured.

2 things strike me about namvets comments, first of mocking an ally in a horrid war, secondly, and most importantly, these are comments coming from a VET! these are the kind of things that young ignorant people are meant to say, and then older and wiser Vets. Put them right, somewhere in this topic that has gone wrong. Be most humble in your apology NamVet, it's the least the dead deserve.

HogTrash

03-25-2010, 09:34 PM

True, having looked into it a bit after namvets comments it seems that of the troops they commited about 10% died and 30% were injured.

2 things strike me about namvets comments, first of mocking an ally in a horrid war, secondly, and most importantly, these are comments coming from a VET! these are the kind of things that young ignorant people are meant to say, and then older and wiser Vets. Put them right, somewhere in this topic that has gone wrong. Be most humble in your apology NamVet, it's the least the dead deserve.I can see your point and agree with much of what you say...The sad part is those veterans sacrifices now appear to be for nothing.

Americans are easy to loose respect for nations that surrender their freedom and welcome a socialist system of government dependence.

Especially when so many veterans died fighting the same socialist system these people willingly and foolishly surrendered those freedoms to.

Kathianne

03-25-2010, 09:38 PM

I can see your point and agree with much of what you say...The sad part is those veterans sacrifices now appear to be for nothing.

Americans are easy to loose respect for nations that surrender their freedom and welcome a socialist system of government dependence.

Especially when so many veterans died fighting the same socialist system these people willingly and foolishly surrendered those freedoms to.

I've no problem dismissing countries that slam us or backstab us. France over Iraq for instance. That doesn't mitigate their help in the American Revolution or either of the world wars. French resistance helped out Americans too many times to count. No matter their leaders, one shouldn't forget or ridicule those that stood for right and were on our side.

Mr. P

03-25-2010, 09:50 PM

I heard her on the radio say she was speaking in Calgory tonight...last I heard that's Canada.

HogTrash

03-25-2010, 09:55 PM

I've no problem dismissing countries that slam us or backstab us. France over Iraq for instance. That doesn't mitigate their help in the American Revolution or either of the world wars. French resistance helped out Americans too many times to count. No matter their leaders, one shouldn't forget or ridicule those that stood for right and were on our side.I think we pretty much agreed on that.

KarlMarx

03-26-2010, 04:44 AM

Canada's laws make it illegal for you to say, write, or, if they could somehow enforce it, think anything that they consider "defamatory" of what they deem designated vicitim groups, e.g. Muslims.

Mark Steyn, who now writes a column for National Review was brought up on charges for penning a piece that was considered "offensive" to Muslims. Fortunately, he was able to defend himself in court and was found innocent. Afterwards, he decided to pack his bags and move to the United States.

Now, you don't have to agree with Ann Coulter's views, but unless you favor a form of the thought police, a tyranny that forbids the free expression of ideas then what happened in Toronto should disturb you.

After all, this proves that tyranny literally exists next door to us and may someday jump the border and take root here in this country.

namvet

03-26-2010, 08:30 AM

red states rule

03-26-2010, 08:46 AM

I'll bet dollars to dimes if you polled all of these angry Canadians, everyone of them would swear that they're not being politically correct.

They would of course claim they're only protesting hate and racism...Hmmm?...That sounds very familiar?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuhz43FwEsA

If Canadians think Ann Coulter talks hate, they would probably lynch me from the nearest tree If I ever opened my big mouth there! :laugh2:

:poke:

This is typical of liberals. Look at the actions of peace loving and open minded liberals a few years ago when the founder of the Minute Men was to give a speech at a college

Instead of not attending the speech, they made damn sure no speech was given

Liberals support free speech as long as they agree with what is being said

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Gaffer

03-26-2010, 08:48 AM

Noir

03-26-2010, 08:52 AM

that was the decision of allied cmdrs. not mine. i owe them nothing and you even less

Aw, I see, playing politics with the dead, you'll be glad to know I will not question you further on the topic, as I don't care for your opinion any more.

Kathianne

03-26-2010, 08:57 AM

By "the great war" I think namvet meant WW2. Which truly deserves the name of great war over WW1.

The Canadians have lived under the umbrella of the US for 60 years. That umbrella is being removed. They are going to be on their own. The US is going down like the trade center. It's been hit hard by the current administrations policies and its supports are weakened to the point gravity is going to take over. And everybody will have a front row seat of the destruction.

And like the great depression the world will join us.

Well Canadians were among the allies at Normandy, so Namvet's misuse of historical names notwithstanding, the point I made earlier still stands.

I agree with you about Canada hiding under the umbrella any longer, it's not covering us.

namvet

03-26-2010, 10:18 AM

I do stand corrected. i meant WW2. the great war couldn't hold a candle to this one.

as far as Noirs comment "playing politics with the dead" is true. their still playing politics with the dead from my war. and Korea and WW2. and Iraq and Afghan. its the way of the world. no way ever to keep them out of political debate. the lessons from the past used for fuel to debate present and future wars. and politics.

far as Canada goes they chose socialism. so be it let em live it. now their spittin on those of us that don't agree. fuck em. im sure their waving their socialists flags for Osama. and if you listen you can Castro down there shouting and waving his flag. clearly they don't know us and what we're capable of when we put our minds to it. just as long as we don't have to plant any political dead for it fine by me.
lets just wait till Nov and really show these idiots what were made of. they seem to forget on a daily basis

HogTrash

03-26-2010, 10:57 AM

This is typical of liberals. Look at the actions of peace loving and open minded liberals a few years ago when the founder of the Minute Men was to give a speech at a college

Instead of not attending the speech, they made damn sure no speech was given

Liberals support free speech as long as they agree with what is being said

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The same marxist plague that infected Canadian and European students is also indoctrinating Americans to demand that we too surrender our First Amendment.

We must reject them...The way to reject them is to reject political correctness...Stop the practice of PC and demand that government do the same.

HogTrash

03-26-2010, 11:26 AM

Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant did that quite awhile ago. Everyone knows the differences between speech here and there. Although our is changing, no doubt about that.Have you no comment on the below excerpt from the lead post of this thread?

I'll bet dollars to dimes if you polled all of these angry Canadians, everyone of them would swear that they're not being politically correct.

They would of course claim they're only protesting hate and racism...Hmmm?...That sounds very familiar?
Sometimes when a person argues the same point with the same advisary for a long period of time, it becomes a personal battle of the wills and makes winning the argument priority over the truth and admission of defeat impossible.

Kathianne

03-26-2010, 03:43 PM

Have you no comment on the below excerpt from the lead post of this thread?

Sometimes when a person argues the same point with the same advisary for a long period of time, it becomes a personal battle of the wills and makes winning the argument priority over the truth and admission of defeat impossible.

There is no larger issue. You are imposing US law on a country that has different laws. Now if you ask me where I'd rather live, up until recently I'd say here. Considering what appears going on here now, it might be wiser to go to a similar, yet different place.

Has nothing to do with me, has everything to do with being on the side losing the argument partially through idiots that think talking tough is the way to go, rather than making the points that need to be made. Please keep in mind the Whiskey Rebellion.

Silver

03-26-2010, 05:18 PM

Canadian leftists or US leftists....they're all the same...Freedom of Speech is universal for them but not for those that may disagree with them.....they are shouted down and not allowed to speak.....

As a matter of fact, thats pretty much how the leftists are all over the world.....rules are for others, but not them....

cat slave

03-26-2010, 07:11 PM

IMO the fact that all this took place on a college campus
simply shows the naivety of the young who think they are
the only ones who have the right idea and of course, this
is opposite of their parents/authority figures.

I thought was hilarious watching them scream about hate
speech with their fists in the air and very hateful expressions
on their faces. What a joke.

I agree with Silver....free speech is only free when it reflects
their ideology

HogTrash

04-05-2010, 12:30 AM

There is no larger issue. You are imposing US law on a country that has different laws. Now if you ask me where I'd rather live, up until recently I'd say here. Considering what appears going on here now, it might be wiser to go to a similar, yet different place.

Has nothing to do with me, has everything to do with being on the side losing the argument partially through idiots that think talking tough is the way to go, rather than making the points that need to be made. Please keep in mind the Whiskey Rebellion.Not so Kat...I am expressing my fears of the same thing happening in the US that has happened in Canada, as we inch ever closer to the day when political correctness becomes the law of the land.