Gay marriage evil, abortion terrorism: Vatican

[-Cp]

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - The Vatican's second-highest ranking doctrinal official on Monday forcefully branded homosexual marriage an evil and denounced abortion and euthanasia as forms of "terrorism with a human face."

The attack by Archbishop Angelo Amato, secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, was the latest in a string of speeches made by either Pope Benedict or other Vatican officials as Italy considers giving more rights to gays.

In an address to chaplains, Amato said newspapers and television bulletins often seemed like "a perverse film about evil." He denounced "evils that remain almost invisible" because the media presented them as "expression of human progress."

He listed these as abortion clinics, which he called "slaughterhouses of human beings," euthanasia, and "parliaments of so-called civilized nations where laws contrary to the nature of the human being are being promulgated, such as the approval of marriage between people of the same sex ..."

Amato spoke at a time when the Vatican and Italy's powerful Roman Catholic Church are at loggerheads over plans for a highly controversial law that would give unmarried heterosexual and homosexual couples some form of legal recognition.

The Church and Catholic politicians, even some in Prime Minister Romano Prodi's centre-left coalition, see the proposed law as a Trojan Horse and say it could lead to gay marriages.

Amato, who is said to be very close to Pope Benedict, criticized the media's coverage of ethical issues.

After denouncing "abominable terrorism" such as that carried out by suicide bombers, he condemned what he called "terrorism with a human face," and accused the media of manipulating language "to hide the tragic reality of the facts."

"For example, abortion is called 'voluntary interruption of pregnancy' and not the killing of a defenseless human being, an abortion clinic is given a harmless, even attractive, name: 'centre for reproductive health' and euthanasia is blandly called 'death with dignity'," he said in his address.

Gay rights group have criticized the Pope and Catholic Church officials in the past over such comments, accusing them of interfering in Italy's domestic affairs.

Groups opposed to gay marriage and recognition of unmarried couples are planning a national rally in Rome next month.

Italy's Roman Catholic Church, set up on diocesan and parish levels, has the organizational machinery to mobilize hundreds of thousands of people. A huge turnout, which is expected, could be a major embarrassment for Prodi's government.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070423/wl_nm/pope_gays_dc

[typomaniac]

This is the faction of Christianity that's also largely responsible for why Mexico is suffocating under a booming population of the poor - and why the US is faced with a such huge immigration problem.

[manu1959]

This is the faction of Christianity that's also largely responsible for why Mexico is suffocating under a booming population of the poor - and why the US is faced with a such huge immigration problem.

huh? mind splainin this a bit? don't see the nexus.

[typomaniac]

huh? mind splainin this a bit? don't see the nexus.No birth control allowed. Ever try shopping for a condom anywhere in Mexico besides someplace that obviously caters only to turistas?

[manu1959]

No birth control allowed. Ever try shopping for a condom anywhere in Mexico besides someplace that obviously caters only to turistas?

... so because the vatican is denouncing abortions ..... mexicans don't have access to condoms .... so they are poor and illegally come to america....

[-Cp]

No birth control allowed. Ever try shopping for a condom anywhere in Mexico besides someplace that obviously caters only to turistas?

What does birth control have to do with the plight in Mexico?

[typomaniac]

What does birth control have to do with the plight in Mexico?No birth control -> too many people -> most of them will end up lacking the basic necessities.

Hey, this concept was pretty well accepted as far back as the middle ages.

[manu1959]

No birth control -> too many people -> most of them will end up lacking the basic necessities.

Hey, this concept was pretty well accepted as far back as the middle ages.


in the middle ages they died....now we give them food stamps and welfare

[darin]

No birth control -> too many people -> most of them will end up lacking the basic necessities.

Hey, this concept was pretty well accepted as far back as the middle ages.

Lack of contraception doesn't cause increased birth-rates. People having SEX causes increased birth rates.

[typomaniac]

Lack of contraception doesn't cause increased birth-rates. People having SEX causes increased birth rates.And ordering your followers to have "as many offspring as God will send" doesn't exactly help, either.

[typomaniac]

in the middle ages they died....now we give them food stamps and welfareAin't modern medicine a bitch? :rolleyes:

[avatar4321]

I already posted this:-p

[avatar4321]

This is the faction of Christianity that's also largely responsible for why Mexico is suffocating under a booming population of the poor - and why the US is faced with a such huge immigration problem.

Mexico is suffering from a booming population of poor because the government is completely corrupt and rather than fix any problems in the country they would rather push them onto us.

[avatar4321]

No birth control -> too many people -> most of them will end up lacking the basic necessities.

Hey, this concept was pretty well accepted as far back as the middle ages.

Birth control hasnt existed for centuries and people did not lack for basic necessities. they went out and worked there butts off for them.

[avatar4321]

And ordering your followers to have "as many offspring as God will send" doesn't exactly help, either.

Because children are oh so evil...

[typomaniac]

Birth control hasnt existed for centuries and people did not lack for basic necessities. they went out and worked there butts off for them.Birth control hasn't existed for centuries?!? :eek:

People in the middle ages "did not lack for basic necessities?"

Who taught you history, Henry Ford? :laugh2:

[gabosaurus]

"Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope, do you think he's a fool?"

--the great Black Sabbath

[theHawk]

No birth control -> too many people -> most of them will end up lacking the basic necessities.

Hey, this concept was pretty well accepted as far back as the middle ages.

How is having a large population a bad thing for a country or government? More people to open up businesses, more people to work, more people to tax.
One of the big reasons Europe is in so much trouble is because of their almost non-existant birth rate. They have a very small young generation and working population trying to support a huge elderly population feeding off their welfare state.

[manu1959]

And ordering your followers to have "as many offspring as God will send" doesn't exactly help, either.

the muslims and mormans should really stop this....

[manu1959]

Ain't modern medicine a bitch? :rolleyes:

actualy it was a closed sewer system....

[manu1959]

Birth control hasn't existed for centuries?!? :eek:

People in the middle ages "did not lack for basic necessities?"

Who taught you history, Henry Ford? :laugh2:

a latte and an ipod is not a basic necessity....

[Pale Rider]

This is the faction of Christianity that's also largely responsible for why Mexico is suffocating under a booming population of the poor - and why the US is faced with a such huge immigration problem.

It isn't immigration. It's an invasion. Second, the biggest reason we have this problem is because our own politicians and government refuse to enforce our laws.

[avatar4321]

Birth control hasn't existed for centuries?!? :eek:

People in the middle ages "did not lack for basic necessities?"

Who taught you history, Henry Ford? :laugh2:

You have some sort of proof of condoms or birth control pills in the middle ages?

And no they didnt lack the basic necessities. You see when they had certain needs they learned to work hard, change their ways of thinking, and meet those needs. Otherwise, they would have been dead.

[glockmail]

This is the faction of Christianity that's also largely responsible for why Mexico is suffocating under a booming population of the poor - and why the US is faced with a such huge immigration problem. Mexico is poor because of corruption and socialist policies. They, and you apparently, don't understand that people are a countries most important resource. Y’all think people are evil.

[theHawk]

Mexico is poor because of corruption and socialist policies. They, and you apparently, don't understand that people are a countries most important resource. Y’all think people are evil.

Being born is apparently a crime to most libs.

[darin]

And ordering your followers to have "as many offspring as God will send" doesn't exactly help, either.

:link: :link: :link: :link: :link: :link: :link: :link:

[glockmail]

Being born is apparently a crime to most libs.
The crux of their problem. That's why they like abortion so much.

[typomaniac]

Mexico is poor because of corruption and socialist policies. They, and you apparently, don't understand that people are a countries most important resource. Y’all think people are evil.Sweden has socialist policies and is not poor.

If you think that having lots of people is such a wonderful thing, you should live in Bangladesh for a while.

[typomaniac]

:link: :link: :link: :link: :link: :link: :link: :link:http://en.allexperts.com/q/Catholics-955/birth-control-5.htm
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Catholics-955/birth-control-5.htm
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Catholics-955/birth-control-5.htm
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Catholics-955/birth-control-5.htm
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Catholics-955/birth-control-5.htm
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Catholics-955/birth-control-5.htm
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Catholics-955/birth-control-5.htm
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Catholics-955/birth-control-5.htm

[typomaniac]

a latte and an ipod is not a basic necessity....At least 9 out of 10 Mexicans are much too busy figuring out how to buy groceries to worry about lattes and ipods. :lame2:

[darin]

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Catholics-955/birth-control-5.htm

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Catholics-955/birth-control-5.htm


Now provide a link which answers your claim!

[typomaniac]

Now provide a link which answers your claim!Unless you tell me you're a practicing Catholic, forget about it. It would be a colossal waste of time.

[darin]

Unless you tell me you're a practicing Catholic, forget about it. It would be a colossal waste of time.

Your claim: "(The Pope) Orders his followers to have offspring" is false.

[glockmail]

Sweden has socialist policies and is not poor.

If you think that having lots of people is such a wonderful thing, you should live in Bangladesh for a while. Nice deflection.

[glockmail]

At least 9 out of 10 Mexicans are much too busy figuring out how to buy groceries to worry about lattes and ipods. :lame2: Because the corruption and socialism stifle business investment. Hence no jobs.

[gabosaurus]

If you are devout Catholic with no knowledge of the reproductive process and do not use birth control, you are obviously going to have a lot of kids. Whereas someone with knowledge and access can plan how many kids they want.
Even a ConRep should be able to figure that out. Supposedly.

[glockmail]

If you are devout Catholic with no knowledge of the reproductive process and do not use birth control, you are obviously going to have a lot of kids. Whereas someone with knowledge and access can plan how many kids they want.
Even a ConRep should be able to figure that out. Supposedly. What's your point?

[typomaniac]

Your claim: "(The Pope) Orders his followers to have offspring" is false.My claim was not about the pope. It was about the church doctrine in general.

Thanks for playing.

[gabosaurus]

My claim was not about the pope. It was about the church doctrine in general.

Jesus did say to go forth and multiply.

[glockmail]

Jesus did say to go forth and multiply. :link:

[typomaniac]

:link:It was Genesis, actually.

And don't ask me to post the passage here. Only the far right cuts and pastes fairy tales.

[avatar4321]

At least 9 out of 10 Mexicans are much too busy figuring out how to buy groceries to worry about lattes and ipods. :lame2:

thats what you get when socialists run things

[avatar4321]

Jesus did say to go forth and multiply.

And there is something wrong with having children?

[glockmail]

It was Genesis, actually.

And don't ask me to post the passage here. Only the far right cuts and pastes fairy tales.

Jesus is written about in Genesis? :lol: :lame2:

So you're an atheist as well as a lib. Whouda thunk?

[darin]

It was Genesis, actually.

And don't ask me to post the passage here. Only the far right cuts and pastes fairy tales.

Jesus never said 'go forth and multiply'

[typomaniac]

Jesus never said 'go forth and multiply'I thought God, Jesus, and the holy ghost were all the same entity. :laugh2:

[glockmail]

I thought God, Jesus, and the holy ghost were all the same entity. :laugh2:They are, Mr. atheist, but Jesus wasn't part of the deal during the time of Genesis. :poke:

[typomaniac]

They are, Mr. atheist, but Jesus wasn't part of the deal during the time of Genesis. :poke:How could he not be part of the deal and still be God, mister polytheist? :cool:

[glockmail]

How could he not be part of the deal and still be God, mister polytheist? :cool: First grade Sunday School: He was born at least 5000 years after Genesis. :cukoo:

[Abbey Marie]

This thread is from 2007. Interesting how much more liberal the eternal Vatican has become in just 9 short years.

[fj1200]

This thread is from 2007. Interesting how much more liberal the eternal Vatican has become in just 9 short years.

Does the Catholic Church feel differently about abortion these days?

[fj1200]

This thread is from 2007. Interesting how much more liberal the eternal Vatican has become in just 9 short years.

Does the Catholic Church feel differently about homosexuality these days?


“If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” said Francis shortly after his election and the liberal commentariat was overjoyed. But he wasn’t offering to change the rules. Nor did he ask his bishops to do so when he called them to Rome.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/24/popes-fine-words-on-homosexuality-are-useless-while-the-catholic-church-still-calls-it-a-sin