*Jihad Jane Goes Down*

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. LOL!!!!,...some American lady got taken in for making threats to kill people on the internet, muslim style, terrorism.
2. They caught her, and bagged her.
3. Now let her rot in jail for lets say 20 years to life.
4. She won't be missed, you gotta get a look at her, go to the link, damn islams babes make you wanna puke.
5. Anyway, she was ready to blow herself up, but thankfully she was brought down.
6. Link and Sample:http://abcnews.go.com/WN/TheLaw/colleen-larose-jihad-jane-indicted-charges-helping-terrorists/story?id=10055608



"A suburban Pennsylvania woman known by the alias "Jihad Jane" has been arrested and charged with trying to recruit Islamic fighters and for plotting to assassinate a Swedish cartoonist who made fun of the Prophet Mohammed, according to a federal indictment unsealed today.

A Pennsylvania woman has been charged with using the Internet to recruit jihadist fighters and help...
A Pennsylvania woman has been charged with using the Internet to recruit jihadist fighters and help terrorists overseas. A federal indictment charges Colleen R. LaRose with agreeing to kill a Swedish citizen on orders from the terrorists and traveling to Europe to carry out the killing. It doesn't say whether the Swede was killed.
(WPVI/ABC News)Colleen R. LaRose, 46, of Montgomery, Pa., described by neighbors as an average "housewife," is better known to federal authorities as "Fatima Rose" or "Jihad Jane."

The indictment, obtained by ABC News, charges LaRose with conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists and conspiracy to kill in a foreign country.

She is also accused of making false statements to a government official and of attempted identity theft, a passport she allegedly stole with the intention of giving to an Islamic fighter. The court papers claim that LaRose reached out through the Internet to jihadist groups saying she was "desperate to do something to help" suffering Muslim people, and that she desired to become a martyr.

Related
Al Qaeda's Pakistan Lair Captured Dubai Hit: No Proof Alleged Mossad Killers Entered U.S. on Dates NamedU.S. Mulls Legality of Killing American 'Turncoat'She stated in her e-mails "that her physical appearance would allow her to 'blend in with many people' which 'may be a way to achieve what is in my heart,'" the indictment states.

In her e-mails with five unindicted co-conspirators in South Asia, Eastern and Western Europe, LaRose allegedly agreed to recruit men -- and to recruit women -- for jihad, to raise money for Islamic fighters, and agreed on the Internet to one jihadist's request to "marry me to get me inside Europe."

In March 2009, the indictment states, she allegedly received a directive to "got to sweden... find location of [Resident of Sweden]... and kill him... this is what i say to u."

Federal officials identified the target as Lars Vilks, who had drawn Prophet Muhammed with the body of a dog.

LaRose replied, "I will make this my goal till I achieve it or die trying," according to court documents. "




Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Cap'n Chew]

So is it time to start racially profiling white people?

:cool:

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,





So is it time to start racially profiling white people?

:cool:



1. They already do that, every old granny gets the once over.
2. Wheel chairs or not.
3. Sad that.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Cap'n Chew]

Sorry bout that,
1. They already do that, every old granny gets the once over.
2. Wheel chairs or not.
3. Sad that.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

For points #1, 2, and 3, I really doubt that's true.

I think we either oughta frisk everyone, or just profile actual suspected terrorists. The latter would at least put less of a burden on airport security.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,



For points #1, 2, and 3, I really doubt that's true.

I think we either oughta frisk everyone, or just profile actual suspected terrorists. The latter would at least put less of a burden on airport security.




1. You don't fly much do you?



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Cap'n Chew]

Sorry bout that,

1. You don't fly much do you?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Not really, but you'd think it'd make the news now and then if old ladies in wheelchairs were constantly being searched by airport security. The only time I ever hear about is when a right-winger is trying to make some sort of hypothetical in order to try to defend racial profiling.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,





Not really, but you'd think it'd make the news now and then if old ladies in wheelchairs were constantly being searched by airport security. The only time I ever hear about is when a right-winger is trying to make some sort of hypothetical in order to try to defend racial profiling.



1. You never have flied have you?
2. Everyone gets done the same way.
3. Terrorists and old grannys.
4. All the same old thing.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Cap'n Chew]

Sorry bout that,

1. You never have flied have you?
2. Everyone gets done the same way.
3. Terrorists and old grannys.
4. All the same old thing.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

I've flown a few times, and I wasn't given any harsh treatment, nor did I see any old women get roughed up.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,




I've flown a few times, and I wasn't given any harsh treatment, nor did I see any old women get roughed up.



1. Hehehehe,...no one gets roughed up these days.
2. They just look through all your stuff.
3. Shoes, etc.
4. I think they should do full body searches on all ayabs though.
5. If they don't like it don't fly!



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Cap'n Chew]

Sorry bout that,

1. Hehehehe,...no one gets roughed up these days.
You know what I mean, being escorted off the line for an extra pat down and an intensive manual search through your baggage. I don't mean a punch to the face lol
2. They just look through all your stuff.
3. Shoes, etc.
4. I think they should do full body searches on all ayabs though.
5. If they don't like it don't fly!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

That's just asinine, bigoted, horribly inefficient for airport security, and economically unsound. You'd have hire a hell of a lot more security staff in order to find and process every individual who looked like he or she was of Arabic descent. That will not make us any safer. If you want a bigoted, costly, and inefficient security policy and much, much longer lines through clearance that's fine, but I prefer more freedom and an airport security that has the capacity to capture actual suspected terrorists TVYM.

Many of the terrorists we have captured aren't of Arabic descent. Richard Reid, John Walker Lindh, Jose Padilla, Tim McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, and recently this "Jihad Jane" character and others are all either white or at least not Arabic. Your idea would fall flat on its face.

[NightTrain]

Many of the terrorists we have captured aren't of Arabic descent

Umm.... however, the vast majority of terrorist hijackers are indeed Arab, and to suggest otherwise is asinine.

Take a gander at the 9/11 crews and tell me how many white grannies in wheelchairs were in the bunch.

[Cap'n Chew]

Umm.... however, the vast majority of terrorist hijackers are indeed Arab, and to suggest otherwise is asinine.

Take a gander at the 9/11 crews and tell me how many white grannies in wheelchairs were in the bunch.

The vast majority of people who hijack airplanes are Arabs? Really?

Did I say we should start strip searching grandma? Because I didn't. Any blanket racial or ethnic profiling is stupid and inefficient.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,





The vast majority of people who hijack airplanes are Arabs? Really?




1. Yup.





Any blanket racial or ethnic profiling is stupid and inefficient.





2. Says who?



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Cap'n Chew]

Sorry bout that,










2. Says who?



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Says me neener neener neener :p

But seriously, if you tell airport security that you must instead of looking out for certain people on a watch list you need to flag down everyone of a certain color or ethnicity, that's putting an unnecessary burden on both passengers and security due to the ridiculous volume of people they'd have to sift through making their jobs tougher, and making passengers' waits much longer.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,




Says me neener neener neener :p




1. What if it was your flight, and these four ayabs were taken aside, and were all butt searched, and found to have plastic explosives in one, and the trigger switch in the others cavities?
2. Wouldn't you then think, "Hey thats a good idea they butt search those guys!
3. You would probally claim you thought of it too!
4. It don't take that long to butt search a person.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Cap'n Chew]

Sorry bout that,

1. What if it was your flight, and these four ayabs were taken aside, and were all butt searched, and found to have plastic explosives in one, and the trigger switch in the others cavities?
2. Wouldn't you then think, "Hey thats a good idea they butt search those guys!
3. You would probally claim you thought of it too!
4. It don't take that long to butt search a person.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Unless they were hanging out together, I wouldn't search the other three just because they looked like Arabs. What if my overzealous security check, and the extra time I wasted that came along with it, allowed for an actual terrorist to board that plane?

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,





Unless they were hanging out together, I wouldn't search the other three just because they looked like Arabs. What if my overzealous security check, and the extra time I wasted that came along with it, allowed for an actual terrorist to board that plane?



1. So they should ask all ayabs before they board an aircraft,, "Do you know any of the other ayabs on the plane?"
2. Do you think if they did they would be compulsed to tell the truth because you asked them?
3. Kerboom,...you're dead, with everyone else.



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[HogTrash]

So is it time to start racially profiling white people?

:cool:Common Sense dictates that we should profile the rule, not the exception.

The best defense would be to deport all non-citizen muslims and people of middle eastern decent and forbid all travel and immigration to the US by these people.

Of course to do this we would have to put an end to political correctness and revert to common sense as a means of formulating our terrorist defense strategies.

My family, friends, neighbors and fellow countrymen come first so I would be more than willing to replace political correctness with common sense, how about you?

[Cap'n Chew]

Common Sense dictates that we should profile the rule, not the exception.

She's not the only white terrorist that has either attacked or tried to attack this country.

The best defense would be to deport all non-citizen muslims and people of middle eastern decent and forbid all travel and immigration to the US by these people.

Of course to do this we would have to put an end to political correctness and revert to common sense as a means of formulating our terrorist defense strategies.

My family, friends, neighbors and fellow countrymen come first so I would be more than willing to replace political correctness with common sense, how about you?

No.

I'd prefer we not make some drastic change to our immigration policy because we're "afraid". We should hold our ground and not let the fear that comes from terrorism guide our lives.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,



No.

I'd prefer we not make some drastic change to our immigration policy because we're "afraid". We should hold our ground and not let the fear that comes from terrorism guide our lives.



1. Some one has been brain washed real good with political correctness.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Cap'n Chew]

Sorry bout that,

1. Some one has been brain washed real good with political correctness.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

WTF are you talking about?

[Cap'n Chew]

When did defending American values and not allowing fear and terrorism to change our course and reduce liberty become some sort of "politically correct" concept?

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. Well you see,.............
2. Its PC because that's what PC tells you to write.
3. To give the bennifit of the doubt to ayabs, because they are in the minority.
4. This is what PC is all about.
5. Suprised you didn't know that.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[OldMercsRule]

I'd have to say that all Muslims, (regardless of skin color), should be carefully examined when they board planes.

There is only about 1.5 Billion of them, (25% of the world population). So they come in all colors shapes and sizes. Bernard Lewis estimates that up to 10% of them are fundamentalists and want any non Muslims dead anyway they can make that happen, (jets running into buildings et al). BTW 10% is 150,000,000 people.

The Koran is a 24x7 total corntrol deal. World domination has been the plan since Mohammed started his conquest in the sixth century. They know history much better then average Americans do and are still P.O.'ed about what Spain did 500 years ago!!!

Killing infidels is sport for them, (has been fer 1500 years), and most terrorist activity in the world is Islamic.

We should keep as many of them out of America as we can.

[darin]

Where the hell near Seattle are you, Merc?

I grew up in renton.


Oh - and as an aside - I've met Muslims who Christ better, more intimately than some "christians".

:)

[Kathianne]

I'd have to say that all Muslims, (regardless of skin color), should be carefully examined when they board planes.

There is only about 1.5 Billion of them, (25% of the world population). So they come in all colors shapes and sizes. Bernard Lewis estimates that up to 10% of them are fundamentalists and want any non Muslims dead anyway they can make that happen, (jets running into buildings et al). BTW 10% is 150,000,000 people.

The Koran is a 24x7 total corntrol deal. World domination has been the plan since Mohammed started his conquest in the sixth century. They know history much better then average Americans do and are still P.O.'ed about what Spain did 500 years ago!!!

Killing infidels is sport for them, (has been fer 1500 years), and most terrorist activity in the world is Islamic.

We should keep as many of them out of America as we can.

I'm not ready to say that we should tighten immigration laws, I do think they should be enforced though. Meaning if entry is on 'education visa' they damn well better be attending classes where they said they were.

I just came across this op-ed, that seems to reflect the commonsense approach of the America I know. In the face of inept government rules, the people 'get it.' They aren't going to stop doing what they want, but they are prepared to act:

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/14/what-would-abdulmutallab-do/


Sunday, March 14, 2010
HARTWELL: What would Abdulmutallab do?

Ray Hartwell

I've been a frequent flier for more than 30 years. I've racked up several million "miles," and I've been through security checks hundreds, maybe thousands, of times. I've been patted down, scanned and searched - my fair-skinned and blue-eyed contribution to statistics showing nobody is being "profiled."

Today it's clear the Islamists are training and sending forth new waves of would-be airline bombers. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab said as much after he tried to blow up Northwest Flight 253 on Christmas Day. Mr. Abdulmutallab's holy mission from Yemen gave us another in our current series of wake-up calls. Lately, his kind have killed military recruiters in Little Rock, Ark., and military personnel and dependents at Fort Hood, Texas. They've also hatched a variety of other plots, thankfully interrupted...

Perhaps most important, we cannot force TSA personnel to look at people carefully and actually think about their characteristics and behavior. Yet this option - screening and profiling - is the only one that directly presents an opportunity for effective passenger action. There is much we cannot do, but we can - our very own selves - look at our fellow passengers and pay attention to their demeanor and their actions.

In the past few weeks, I've talked with "fellow travelers" to see what typical Americans are thinking about "flying with Mr. Abdulmutallab." My sample of 15 to 20 men and women might not satisfy a survey expert, but the consistency of responses was such that I'm pretty comfortable that I know the lay of the land. I'll bet you do as well. But let's stroll through my findings and see where we come out.

First, I asked: Is the security system working? The answer is clear: no. The folks I queried all said it's a problem that existed in the George W. Bush administration and has worsened under his successor.

Second, I asked whether passengers have some personal responsibility for their own safety. The unanimous response: yes. Today, we all know it may fall to us to save ourselves and to keep Mr. Abdulmutallab from succeeding in his mission.

... You're going to have to read the link to see what was found. ;)

[HogTrash]

No.

I'd prefer we not make some drastic change to our immigration policy because we're "afraid". We should hold our ground and not let the fear that comes from terrorism guide our lives.
When did defending American values and not allowing fear and terrorism to change our course and reduce liberty become some sort of "politically correct" concept?Well, then by your rationale we should not succumb to fear by maintaining an expensive military for national defense?

While we're at it, we should do away with expensive police departments instead of allowing the fear of crime to control us?

In case you missed it, "defending American values" has already made "drastic change" and we are "allowing fear and terrorism" to "change our course".

The problem is, the "changes" have affected the lives of ordinary American citizens much more than the muslim community's, where the terrorist threat originates.

This is what "political correctness" has to do with it!.....As a matter of fact, it has everything to do with it!

[Cap'n Chew]

Sorry bout that,


1. Well you see,.............
2. Its PC because that's what PC tells you to write.
3. To give the bennifit of the doubt to ayabs, because they are in the minority.
4. This is what PC is all about.
5. Suprised you didn't know that.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

I didn't know because you are the first person ever to tell me that wanting to hold onto the goodness of America and not sacrifice liberty fora false sense of security is somehow politically correct. It's "PC" only because you believe it to be so.

You're quite wrong. Not living in paranoid fear and suspicion of my neighbor isn't some politically correct idea. Freedom isn't PC or Anti-PC, it simply is.

[Kathianne]

I didn't know because you are the first person ever to tell me that wanting to hold onto the goodness of America and not sacrifice liberty fora false sense of security is somehow politically correct. It's "PC" only because you believe it to be so.

You're quite wrong. Not living in paranoid fear and suspicion of my neighbor isn't some politically correct idea. Freedom isn't PC or Anti-PC, it simply is.

You'll find there are a couple of posters here who argue that if you disagree with their 'analysis' of any topic their conclusion is that you are 'PC' or brainwashed.

Now my impression is that you and I are probably not going to agree on much, but I doubt that you are brainwashed or base your thinking on PC. ;)

[Cap'n Chew]

You'll find there are a couple of posters here who argue that if you disagree with their 'analysis' of any topic their conclusion is that you are 'PC' or brainwashed.

Now my impression is that you and I are probably not going to agree on much, but I doubt that you are brainwashed or base your thinking on PC. ;)

Well thank you.

I'm not some sort of PC thug, or whatever one is. I call "illegal immigrants", "illegal immigrants", not "undocumented workers" ok? lol

[Kathianne]

Well thank you.

I'm not some sort of PC thug, or whatever one is. I call "illegal immigrants", "illegal immigrants", not "undocumented workers" ok? lol

And I am quite conservative, yet find a problem with the concept of deporting anyone who resembles Muslims or *Horror* just rounding up 'real' Muslims.

OTOH do I think that there is only a degree of separation between Islamicists and Muslims that adhere to the Koran? Yes. Just as there is a degree of separation between being pro-life and killing abortion providers.

I condemn, as do nearly all 'pro-life' people, those that think they are acting in the name of God, though I may share their belief that abortion is murder.

Similarly the Koran calls for Sharia to be the law in Islam, thus most Muslims must agree with that premise, though that doesn't necessarily mean they would use violence to see it come to pass. They can condemn those that do so, while agreeing with the idea that Sharia is correct.

[Cap'n Chew]

Now my impression is that you and I are probably not going to agree on much, but I doubt that you are brainwashed or base your thinking on PC. ;)

I think we'll have some agreement, you may be surprised lol.

[Cap'n Chew]

Well, then by your rationale we should not succumb to fear by maintaining an expensive military for national defense?

While we're at it, we should do away with expensive police departments instead of allowing the fear of crime to control us?

Oh I see, because I don't want America to become some sort of police state, I must hate law enforcement and the cops or something.

uh-huh -eyeroll-

As for the military, I think we can trim the fat for the sake of fiscal soundness. That goes for most of these programs.

But I would do away with the Dept of Homeland Security if I were in charge.


In case you missed it, "defending American values" has already made "drastic change" and we are "allowing fear and terrorism" to "change our course".

The problem is, the "changes" have affected the lives of ordinary American citizens much more than the muslim community's, where the terrorist threat originates.

I'm all for protecting America, and I think we need airport security, I shouldn't even need to clarify that lol; however, we cannot just uproot essential freedoms for an entire bloc of innocent, law-abiding Americans because terrorism exists. Remember what Ben Franklin said about trading liberty for temporary security.

This is what "political correctness" has to do with it!.....As a matter of fact, it has everything to do with it!

Political correctness has nothing to do with my stance on this issue.

[OldMercsRule]

Where the hell near Seattle are you, Merc?

I grew up in renton.


Oh - and as an aside - I've met Muslims who Christ better, more intimately than some "christians".

:)

I live in Kirkland.

[OldMercsRule]

Kathianne; states:

And I am quite conservative, yet find a problem with the concept of deporting anyone who resembles Muslims or *Horror* just rounding up 'real' Muslims.

Most Cornservatives value Liberty and would have problems with rounding up Muslims as well. That said: we do have a real problem with a major world wide religion that has never modernized as other major religions have done over the last millenia.

WW1 and WW2, Korea, Vietnam and most major 20th century cornflicts were not religous wars as most of the wars in human history have been. Some would characterize Communism/Marxism as a "statist" religion, butt most Commies would not commit suicide to murder other non combatents over a belief system as Islamo/facists have done for decades now. Religious wars where soldiers murder others in the name of their God are some of the nastiest wars in human history, and non PC proceedures eventually will need to be followed to deal with this existential threat, (IMHO).

The fact that Islamic fanitics with a sixth century mind set have access to a great deal of capital from oil and modern technology, (Pakistan is a nuclear power), and information via the internet has transformed the modern world as evidenced by the 9/11/2001 attack, (we did not wake up after the firrst WTC attack financed by Saddam), and modern Liberals in the "main stream media" and now in charge of our Country, (Eric Holder et al), are doing their best to forget what some of us have learned over the last nine years.

Jimmy Carter is the POTUS to thank who let this genie out of the bottle by aiding and abetting the Islamic revolution in Persia in 1979. The population growth within Islam since 1979 has generated a great deal of young fundamental sixth century style Islamists that are not likely going to their graves without an impact on the modern world.

We all need to take some time for a non PC review of history to learn that our advisaries have a 1500 year history of extreme violence anti woman and infidel bigotry, and while some may call OBL "insane", he is actually not insane at all. He is a sixth century Muslim with wealth and connections to like minded Muslims who may number as great as 150,000,000 believers. That is what a sober review of history would teach a person with an open mind.

This is not the first time in history sixth century Islam has caused negative issues for America. Most Black African slavery, (that still exists in Muslim countries today), was non Muslim Blacks being rounded up by Muslim slave traders and sold to amoral capitilists prior to Christians in Britian and America stopping the horrible practice at a huge cost to this Country.

The Muslim pirates in the Mediterranaen caused Thomas Jefferson to dispatch American Sea power to deal with them as one of the first military adventures of our young Republic.

OTOH do I think that there is only a degree of separation between Islamicists and Muslims that adhere to the Koran? Yes.

I sure don't see it. Muslims around the world rejoiced when the WT centers were knocked down. They don't seem to like cartoons drawn depicting Mohammed either. In fact there is very little resistence to Islamists from the so called rest of the Muslims and the modernization of Islam must come from within as happened with Christianity when Gutenberg and Luther kick started the reform and modernization of the Christian faith.

Just as there is a degree of separation between being pro-life and killing abortion providers.

I think you are grossly mistaken in citing the Liberal media relative morality between modern Christians and Muslims. The modern hate and blame America Liberals cornpared the USA to the old USSR in the same fashion when we were in the Cold war. Islam and Christianity (which has modernized over the last 500 years), no longer have much in common as they may have during the Crusades. To state otherwise is a historical perversion.

I condemn, as do nearly all 'pro-life' people, those that think they are acting in the name of God, though I may share their belief that abortion is murder.

Very different issue, and not a good analogy to fundamental Islam.

Similarly the Koran calls for Sharia to be the law in Islam, thus most Muslims must agree with that premise,

Yes they surely do. Look at Europe where 50 cars burned per night by Muslims doesn't even make the news.

though that doesn't necessarily mean they would use violence to see it come to pass. They can condemn those that do so, while agreeing with the idea that Sharia is correct.

Most Muslims do not condemn and their silence and failure to modernize their brutal Religion is likely gonna lead to a big problem in the forseeable future, IMHO. Hope I'm wrong. Respectfully, JR

[Gaffer]

Gotta spread the rep around. Excellent post JR.

[Kathianne]

Kathianne; states:

[QUOTE=k]And I am quite conservative, yet find a problem with the concept of deporting anyone who resembles Muslims or *Horror* just rounding up 'real' Muslims.


Most Cornservatives value Liberty and would have problems with rounding up Muslims as well. That said: we do have a real problem with a major world wide religion that has never modernized as other major religions have done over the last millenia. K-I do not disagree with that, on the contrary pretty much implied by my post.

WW1 and WW2, Korea, Vietnam and most major 20th century cornflicts were not religous wars as most of the wars in human history have been. Some would characterize Communism/Marxism as a "statist" religion, butt most Commies would not commit suicide to murder other non combatents over a belief system as Islamo/facists have done for decades now. Religious wars where soldiers murder others in the name of their God are some of the nastiest wars in human history, and non PC proceedures eventually will need to be followed to deal with this existential threat, (IMHO).

The fact that Islamic fanitics with a sixth century mind set have access to a great deal of capital from oil and modern technology, (Pakistan is a nuclear power), and information via the internet has transformed the modern world as evidenced by the 9/11/2001 attack, (we did not wake up after the firrst WTC attack financed by Saddam), and modern Liberals in the "main stream media" and now in charge of our Country, (Eric Holder et al), are doing their best to forget what some of us have learned over the last nine years. K-you couldn't know how many times I've said the same.

Jimmy Carter is the POTUS to thank who let this genie out of the bottle by aiding and abetting the Islamic revolution in Persia in 1979. The population growth within Islam since 1979 has generated a great deal of young fundamental sixth century style Islamists that are not likely going to their graves without an impact on the modern world.

We all need to take some time for a non PC review of history to learn that our advisaries have a 1500 year history of extreme violence anti woman and infidel bigotry, and while some may call OBL "insane", he is actually not insane at all. He is a sixth century Muslim with wealth and connections to like minded Muslims who may number as great as 150,000,000 believers. That is what a sober review of history would teach a person with an open mind.

This is not the first time in history sixth century Islam has caused negative issues for America. Most Black African slavery, (that still exists in Muslim countries today), was non Muslim Blacks being rounded up by Muslim slave traders and sold to amoral capitilists prior to Christians in Britian and America stopping the horrible practice at a huge cost to this Country.

The Muslim pirates in the Mediterranaen caused Thomas Jefferson to dispatch American Sea power to deal with them as one of the first military adventures of our young Republic. K-again, I've written much the same over the past years.


OTOH do I think that there is only a degree of separation between Islamicists and Muslims that adhere to the Koran? Yes.


I sure don't see it. Muslims around the world rejoiced when the WT centers were knocked down. They don't seem to like cartoons drawn depicting Mohammed either. In fact there is very little resistence to Islamists from the so called rest of the Muslims and the modernization of Islam must come from within as happened with Christianity when Gutenberg and Luther kick started the reform and modernization of the Christian faith.You just restated what I said above, that there is the difference only in violence, not beliefs by Muslims. Those that will employ violence are the Islamicists, the rest are just Muslims.


Just as there is a degree of separation between being pro-life and killing abortion providers.


I think you are grossly mistaken in citing the Liberal media huh? Where do you come up with that? relative morality between modern Christians and Muslims. The modern hate and blame America Liberals cornpared the USA to the old USSR in the same fashion when we were in the Cold war. Islam and Christianity (which has modernized over the last 500 years), no longer have much in common as they may have during the Crusades. To state otherwise is a historical perversion.You mistake a specific analogy with a generalization, one I did not make.


I condemn, as do nearly all 'pro-life' people, those that think they are acting in the name of God, though I may share their belief that abortion is murder.


Very different issue, and not a good analogy to fundamental Islam.
Wrong, IMO. For all the pro-lifers in the US, less than a handful will kill, maim, etc. While not 'cheering', but condemning, the belief that abortion is murder is the same.

Similarly the Koran calls for Sharia to be the law in Islam, thus most Muslims must agree with that premise,


Yes they surely do. Look at Europe where 50 cars burned per night by Muslims doesn't even make the news.Again, you could do a search for how often I posted on the 'young' doing just that in France, UK, Belgium, etc.


though that doesn't necessarily mean they would use violence to see it come to pass. They can condemn those that do so, while agreeing with the idea that Sharia is correct.


Most Muslims do not condemn and their silence and failure to modernize their brutal Religion is likely gonna lead to a big problem in the forseeable future, IMHO. Hope I'm wrong. Respectfully, JR
On your last note, I agree. Too few of the Muslims speak out against the Islamicists. That is the one area that there is little in common with my analogy, point well taken.

[Kathianne]

Gotta spread the rep around. Excellent post JR.

I agree with you, which is why I spent some time replying to JR.

If would be much better to use the quote feature though, takes too much time as the replies come, I didn't like having to turn blue, black. ;)

[OldMercsRule]

Originally Posted by K-I
Just as there is a degree of separation between being pro-life and killing abortion providers.

Killing abortion providers is done by a very few nuts that are crazy. There are crazies in all large populations of imperfect humans and there are more Christians then there are Muslims on this planet so a few examples of nutburgers who may act out will always exist that the hard Left media always use to state their anti Christian montra and repeat it over and over. Christianity does not corndone the murder of anyone for any reason. All Christians reject murder openly and loudly, in deeds and words. I reject this statement, (as I read it), out of hand.

Muslims, however routinely murder in the name of their God and only get very mild statements against from a very few moderate Muslim entities that seems to be done for political correctness to further Islam and make it acceptable. Islam is not "the religion of peace"!!!! The majority of statements by the 1.5 Billion Muslims are either for the act of murder or silent. Read the Koran. It is accepted practice to kill infidels and Muslims that are not Muslim enough. It's been that way fer 1500 years, (openly practiced), which explains the silence and explains the statements of protest as in the Koran lying to further Islam, (which means "submission") is done all the time.

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I think you are grossly mistaken in citing the Liberal media


K-I states: huh? Where do you come up with that?


Murky: relative morality between modern Christians and Muslims. The modern hate and blame America Liberals cornpared the USA to the old USSR in the same fashion when we were in the Cold war. Islam and Christianity (which has modernized over the last 500 years), no longer have much in common as they may have during the Crusades. To state otherwise is a historical perversion.

K-I states:

You mistake a specific analogy with a generalization, one I did not make.

Maybe I read the statement about a "degree of seperation" at the top of this post wrong then? Please clarify what you meant or mean, by such a statement.


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I condemn, as do nearly all 'pro-life' people, those that think they are acting in the name of God, though I may share their belief that abortion is murder.

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Very different issue, and not a good analogy to fundamental Islam.

Wrong, IMO. For all the pro-lifers in the US, less than a handful will kill, maim, etc. While not 'cheering', but condemning, the belief that abortion is murder is the same.

No it is not.

Over the last 50 years there have only been "a handfull", (your term), of whacko's who happen to be Christian and are whacked out and murder over abortion issues that the Left wing media who hates Christians, butt fears Muslims repeat in their "moral equivelance" mantra very similar to the USSR = the USA they used to say all the time.

McVey was not much of a Christian butt was a whacked out crazy murdering freak who murdered innocents that was politically exploited by BJ Clinton and the Left main stream media to trash Christians. GRRRRRRRRR

Christians loudly abhor such acts and state so very loudly. These acts of violence commited by whacked out Christians are the exception NOT the rule. On the other hand: Muslims routinely kill mainly Muslims, butt also a fair share of infidels too, and are not condemned loudly at all by Muslims. Big difference that should be obvious.

Think about one event in the last few decades that shows the huge difference I speak of: the Iraq Iran war.

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Similarly the Koran calls for Sharia to be the law in Islam, thus most Muslims must agree with that premise,

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Yes they surely do. Look at Europe where 50 cars burned per night by Muslims doesn't even make the news.

Again, you could do a search for how often I posted on the 'young' doing just that in France, UK, Belgium, etc.

No argument I'm new here. I don't wanna search I will take your word for your position on the matter.


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though that doesn't necessarily mean they would use violence to see it come to pass. They can condemn those that do so, while agreeing with the idea that Sharia is correct.

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Originally Posted by omr
Most Muslims do not condemn and their silence and failure to modernize their brutal Religion is likely gonna lead to a big problem in the forseeable future, IMHO. Hope I'm wrong. Respectfully, JR

On your last note, I agree. Too few of the Muslims speak out against the Islamicists. That is the one area that there is little in common with my analogy, point well taken.

I must have missed the meaning I thought was apparent from your analogy then.

I do sense that you and I agree on most issues. I may have miss read your statement about abortion bombers (or the freak who murdered Dr. Tiller), who are "lone wolves" and clearly not part of any Christian movement what so ever.

Christians do not murder in the name of their God or institutionalize murder like fundamentalist Islamo facists clearly do. An individual Christian who looses it goes crazy and does something horrible is not the same as the Islamo facists who follow the sixth century mind set that many Muslims do follow, and very few speak out against.

It is sure clear to me.

Respectfully, JR

[Kathianne]

Sorry, though I thought this might have been interesting, all meaning has become pretty unintelligible. Wish you could figure out posting.

[OldMercsRule]

Sorry, though I thought this might have been interesting, all meaning has become pretty unintelligible. Wish you could figure out posting.


OK, (one functional brain cell).