*Obama May Of Lied To Become President*

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. But I received this in an email, see if you can disprove it then.
2. You know whom I'm refering too.
3. Anyways, Obama had a different name when he went to Occidental College, *Barry Soetorro* which isn't the name he has now, sounds fishy, I have my birth name, men always do.
4. This is starting to stink, and it is fishy, and fish when dead awhile stink!
5. Read all about it here:







" VERY QUIETLY OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT
>AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's
>Qualifications for the presidency,the group "Americans for Freedom of
>Information"
>Has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from
>Occidental College . Released today, the transcript school indicates
>that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a
>foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate. The transcript was
>released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a
>suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California.
>The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and
>was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright
>Foundation Scholarship program. To
>Qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.
>This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's
>detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first
>born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US
>citizenship,
>This is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the
>White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's
>legitimacy and qualification to serve as President article titled,
>"Obama Eligibility
>Questioned," leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow
>economic issues on Obama's first official visit to the U.K. In a related
>matter, under growing pressure from several groups,
>
>Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on
>Tuesday to
>Hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as
>President in
>A case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey . This lawsuit claims
>Obama's
>Dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio's
>case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of
>Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as president.
>
>
> Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the
>results
>Of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study
>estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in
>the past year with eleven law firms
>In 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his
>personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still
>ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. Attorney
>general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.
>
>
>LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS, THE MEDIA WON'T !
>
>
>Subject: Issue of Passport?
>
>
>While I've little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth
>issue
> Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can
>be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he
>use when he was shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ?
>
>
>So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981,
>without the price of a hotel room in his pocket,suddenly come up with
>the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?
>
>
> And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and
>Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs
>and Immigration?
>
>
> The American people not only deserve to have answers to these
>questions, they must have answers.
>It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple
>one.
>
>
> Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
> A : Yes, by his own admission.
>
>
> Q: What passport did he travel under?
> A: There are only three possibilities.
> 1) He traveled with a U.S. . Passport,
> 2) He traveled with a British passport, or
> 3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.
>
>
> Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
> A: No.. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's
>"no travel" list in1981.
>
>
> Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either
>with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.
>
>
>
>
>If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof
>that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims.
>And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to
>prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held,
>British or American, prior to being
>Adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.
>
>
> Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how
>he
>Managed to become a "naturalborn" American citizen between 1981 and
>2008..
>
>
> Given the destructive nature of his plans for America , as illustrated
>by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has
>presented to Congress,the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the
>better.
>
>
> If you Don't care that Your President is not a natural born Citizen
>and in
>Violation of the Constitution, then Delete this and go into your cocoon.
>
>
> If you do care then Forward this!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!
>
>WE NEED ALL THE HELP THAT WE CAN GET !!!
>
>



6. This could be the end to *Barry*!
7. Also why did this muzzy go to pakistan at 20 years of age???



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[DragonStryk72]

You need to link to the article

[DragonStryk72]

Okay, I attempted to find the origins of this article and I cannot find it. Also, where is this evidence that he went under a different name. the article also asks its readers to forward the article, which no true news EVER asks for.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,




You need to link to the article




1. Well a friend sent it to me, what should I link his email address?
2. What if this be true?
3. Hows it grab you?


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[jimnyc]

Okay, I attempted to find the origins of this article and I cannot find it. Also, where is this evidence that he went under a different name. the article also asks its readers to forward the article, which no true news EVER asks for.

Agreed... and the first place I look when receiving fishy emails...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. I got another email.
2. See if you can dispute it then!
3. :laugh2:
4. Here it is:


"This highly regarded Christian/American historian's views on Obama synthesize why his policies are so objectionable and must be opposed.


WELL STATED..











Dr. David Barton is more of a historian than a Biblical speaker, but very famous for his knowledge of historical facts, as well as Biblical truths.

Dr. David Barton - on Obama
Respect the office? Yes.
Respect the man in the office? No, I am sorry to say.
I have noted that many elected officials, both Democrats and Republicans, called upon America to unite behind Obama.
Well, I want to make it clear to all who will listen that I AM NOT uniting behind Obama !

I will respect the office which he holds, and I will acknowledge his abilities as an orator and wordsmith and pray for him, BUT that is it.

I have begun today to see what I can do to make sure that he is a one-term President !

Why am I doing this ? It is because:
- I do not share Obama's vision or value system for America ;
- I do not share his Abortion beliefs;
- I do not share his radical Marxist's concept of re-distributing wealth; < BR>- I do not share his stated views on raising taxes on those who make $150,000+ (the ceiling has been changed three times since August);
- I do not share his view that America is Arrogant;
- I do not share his view that America is not a Christian Nation;
- I do not share his view that the military should be reduced by 25%;
- I do not share his view of amnesty and giving more to illegals than our American Citizens who need help;
- I do not share his views on homosexuality and his definition of marriage;
- I do not share his views that Radical Islam is our friend and Israel is our enemy who should give up any land;

- I do not share his spiritual beliefs (at least the ones he has made public);

- I do not share his beliefs on how to re-work the healthcare system in America ;

- I do not share his strategic views of the Middle East ; and
- I certainly do not share his plan to sit down with terrorist regimes such as Iran .

Bottom line: my America is vastly different from Obama's, and I have a higher obligation to my Country and my GOD to do what is right ! < FONT color=black>

For eight (8) years, the Liberals in our Society, led by numerous entertainers who would have no platform and no real credibility but for their celebrity status, have attacked President Bush, his family, and his spiritual beliefs !

They have not moved toward the center in their beliefs and philosophies and they never came together nor compromised their personal beliefs for the betterment of our Country !
They have portrayed my America as a land where everything is tolerated except being intolerant !
They have been a vocal and irreverent minority for years !
They have mocked and attacked the very core values so important to the founding and growth of our Country !
They have made every effort to remove the name of GOD or Jesus Christ from our Society !
They have challenged capital punishment, the right to bear arms and the most basic principles of our criminal code !
They have attacked one of the most fundamental of all Freedoms, the right of free speech !

Unite behind Obama? Never ! ! !

I am sure many of you who read this think that I am going overboard, but I refuse to retreat one more inch in favor of those whom I believe are the embodiment of Evil!

PRESIDENT BUSH made many mistakes during his Presidency and I am not sure how history will judge him. However, I believe that he weighed his decisions in light of the long established Judeo-Christian principles of our Founding Fathers!!!

< FONT color=black size=5>Majority rules in America , and I will honor the concept; however, I will fight with all of my power to be a voice in opposition to Obama and his "goals for America ."

I am going to be a thorn in the side of those who, if left unchecked, will destroy our Country ! ! Any more compromise is more defeat!

I pray that the results of this election will wake up many who have sat on the sidelines and allowed the Socialist-Marxist anti-GOD crowd to slowly change so much of what has been good in America !

"Error of Opinion may be tolerated where Reason is left free to combat it." - Thomas Jefferson

GOD bless you and GOD bless our Country ! ! !

(Please, please, please, pass this on if you agree)

"If we ever forget that we're one nation under GOD, then we will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan

I WANT THE AMERICA BACK THAT I GREW UP IN....

In GOD We Trust........



5. Could be this one will be harder to refute!



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[82Marine89]

Sorry bout that,


1. I got another email.
2. See if you can dispute it then!
3. :laugh2:
4. Here it is:


"This highly regarded Christian/American historian's views on Obama synthesize why his policies are so objectionable and must be opposed.

WELL STATED..

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH

5. Could be this one will be harder to refute!

Regards,
SirJamesofTicksAss

1. You did not respond to the Snopes link.
2. You can not dispute an opinion, you can only dispute facts.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,



1. Where you been hiding out?:gay: gaybar?
2. So do you agree with the email/post?
3. Or do you stand with Obama?
4. You do seem angry, why you show so much anger?
5. If you don't like my threads and posts, just look the other way.
6. Did you finally get that *PC Badge* out of the *Cracker Jacks Box*?:laugh2:


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[82Marine89]

Sorry bout that,

1. Where you been hiding out?:gay: gaybar?
2. So do you agree with the email/post?
3. Or do you stand with Obama?
4. You do seem angry, why you show so much anger?
5. If you don't like my threads and posts, just look the other way.
6. Did you finally get that *PC Badge* out of the *Cracker Jacks Box*?:laugh2:


Regards,
SirJamesofTickAss

Again...

1. You did not respond to the Snopes link.
2. You can not dispute an opinion, you can only dispute facts.

[DragonStryk72]

Sorry bout that,








1. Well a friend sent it to me, what should I link his email address?
2. What if this be true?
3. Hows it grab you?


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

but it isn't true, period. you posted an article with no reputable backing at all, and now you're refusing to do so, probably because, as it turns out, it's false anyway. It's stupid to put up with four years of this crap, and not just that, but you are actually hurting chance to keep him from re-election, because articles being held up like this one are just fodder for the people casting you as some nutjob.

[DragonStryk72]

I have to go with Marine on this one. You're not even posting anything that is inherently debateable, just throwing around emails and such. It's all opinion, so yes, I concur that the email probably represents that man's opinion.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. I never said it was true now did I?
2. Some one sent me a couple emails, I shared them with folks here.
3. Its not a federal case.
4. But will it be someday?
5. Might be some day, but perhaps this first email I posted was founded on false info, I have noway to check it.
6. Jimbo claims that snopes knocked it down years ago, but some people still doubt, maybe I'm doubting right now too.:eek:
7. How about you?


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Cap'n Chew]

> Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
> A: No.. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's
>"no travel" list in1981.

There was no travel ban, Barack Obama could have easily gone to Pakistan in 1981 on an American passport.

http://www.nytimes.com/1981/06/14/travel/lahore-a-survivor-with-a-bittersweet-history.html?sec=travel&spon=&pagewanted=5
http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/travel/cis/southasia/TA_Pakistan1981.pdf

Just moar conspiracy BS.

[Noir]

Why in feths name did i waste minutes of my life reading that tosh =/

[Cap'n Chew]

Why in feths name did i waste minutes of my life reading that tosh =/

A new post was made so you were compelled to click?

Sorry for bumping the thread lol.

[Noir]

A new post was made so you were compelled to click?

Sorry for bumping the thread lol.

TruFax, i should really blame myself, but that would involve far too much personal responsibility, but i'm glad to see you're willing to take the blame ^_^

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. But think about it?
2. 1981 was a long time ago.
3. Lemme see, Obama is about 45 I think, so in 1981 he was 16 years of age, did he have a American Passport back then?
4. That would be a good question now wouldn't it?
5. I didn't have one at that age.
6. The email said we had a travel ban in 1981, I don't know for sure, but if we did, he would need some other passport that didn't have a travel ban in place so to enter pakistan.



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Cap'n Chew]

Sorry bout that,


1. But think about it?
2. 1981 was a long time ago.
Not really, wasn't that long ago.
3. Lemme see, Obama is about 45 I think, so in 1981 he was 16 years of age, did he have a American Passport back then?
He was 20, President Obama is 48 nao.
4. That would be a good question now wouldn't it?
Not really, no.
5. I didn't have one at that age.
Ok? So?
6. The email said we had a travel ban in 1981, I don't know for sure, but if we did, he would need some other passport that didn't have a travel ban in place so to enter pakistan.
We didn't, you could go to Pakistan on an American passport, there was no blanket ban on traveling there. Unless of course you can prove otherwise. The NYT article I linked to was about an American woman who visited that country around the summer of '81.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

It's just another conspiracy chain E-mail, move along lol.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,





It's just another conspiracy chain E-mail, move along lol.




1. Maybe so, perhaps he did go with an American passport.
2. But this makes a thoughtful person like myself, ask, "Just why did he go there in 1981?"
3. Oh yeah, and hey,..."Welcome to Debate Policy .com" ~ CWN

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. If you were a thoughtful person like myself, you would be asking why a good upstanding Christian young man of 20 years of age, would even want to go to pakistan in the first place.
2. Am I right???



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Cap'n Chew]

Sorry bout that,

1. Maybe so, perhaps he did go with an American passport.
2. But this makes a thoughtful person like myself, ask, "Just why did he go there in 1981?"
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

He went with a friend to visit his friend's family after making at stop in Indonesia to visit his mum, Anne Dunham. That's really it.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,





He went with a friend to visit his friend's family after making at stop in Indonesia to visit his mum, Anne Dunham. That's really it.




1. His muslim friend?
2. So he is a muslim too right?
3. That paints a whole other picture then.
4. That explains things.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Cap'n Chew]

Sorry bout that,

1. His muslim friend?
2. So he is a muslim too right?
3. That paints a whole other picture then.
4. That explains things.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Having a friend who is Muslim (Assuming the friend Obama went with was a Muslim, IDK, nor do I care.) doesn't paint any sort of picture.

What are you talking about?

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,




Having a friend who is Muslim (Assuming the friend Obama went with was a Muslim, IDK, nor do I care.) doesn't paint any sort of picture.

What are you talking about?



1. You don't think out side the box much, now, do you?



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Cap'n Chew]

Sorry bout that,

1. You don't think out side the box much, now, do you?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

So you got nothing? ok.

[Cap'n Chew]

I do like to think outside the box, but that generally doesn't include sekrit Muslim and birther conspiracies.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,





So you got nothing? ok.



1. Oh I got something alright.
2. A young man of 20 years of age going to a muslim country at that age, is a statement.
3. You don't just casually go to a msulim country at 20 years of age, without a real purpose.
4. There was a purpose, all we need to do is click google and find out.
5. You know, something like, *Reason why Obama went to Pakistan in 1981*.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Cap'n Chew]

Sorry bout that,

1. Oh I got something alright.
2. A young man of 20 years of age going to a muslim country at that age, is a statement.
3. You don't just casually go to a msulim country at 20 years of age, without a real purpose.
4. There was a purpose, all we need to do is click google and find out.
5. You know, something like, *Reason why Obama went to Pakistan in 1981*.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

You've got nothing but unwarranted suspicion.

He went to Pakistan after visiting his mother who was staying in Indonesia at the time because the friend he went with wanted to visit his family, there's no conspiracy or underhanded motive.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/obamas-college.html

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. No, theres no reason for him to go, and theres a huge cloud of suspicion over him because of this trip.
2. And well there should be.
3. This same pakistaian man claims he raised more than 100k for Obama's Presidential Bid in 2008, which is illegal.
4. Now you wonder why he went in 1981 yet?
5. Link and a Sample:http://www.mikefrancesa.com/wordpress/?p=1190


"Bundler: Hasan Chandoo

Employer:
Oppenheimer & Co
State:
NY
Bundler Status for 2008:
Bundler for Barack Obama, raised at least $100,000.00 "


6. So he claimed to have some experiance in political matters in Pakistan in 1981, and yet has refused to say, whom he spoke with there.
7. Does anyone else here see a problem with his trip to pakistan???



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Cap'n Chew]

Sorry bout that,


1. No, theres no reason for him to go, and theres a huge cloud of suspicion over him because of this trip.
Obama had no reason to go, but they were on that side of the world and Hasan Chandoo wanted to see his family, so what?
2. And well there should be.
3. This same pakistaian man claims he raised more than 100k for Obama's Presidential Bid in 2008, which is illegal.
Raising money for a political candidate is not illegal.
4. Now you wonder why he went in 1981 yet?
Nope, because I already know
5. Link and a Sample:http://www.mikefrancesa.com/wordpress/?p=1190


"Bundler: Hasan Chandoo

Employer:
Oppenheimer & Co
State:
NY
Bundler Status for 2008:
Bundler for Barack Obama, raised at least $100,000.00 "

Oh goody, an anti-Obama blog, truly there are no more accurate and truthful sources of information than these. -sarcasm-

6. So he claimed to have some experiance in political matters in Pakistan in 1981, and yet has refused to say, whom he spoke with there.
7. Does anyone else here see a problem with his trip to pakistan???



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k22/liquid_ocelot_01/its_a_conspiracy.jpg

[DragonStryk72]

1. But I received this in an email, see if you can disprove it then.

Okay, it's been done, it was disproved by point that the article was phony.

Here's a scenario for going there: He was 20, and wanted to see the world. See? no problems, no conspiracy, nothing, he just decided for whatever reason that he wanted to go there, like so many people coming out of high school who backpack across Europe, or join up into the Peacecorps. Can you disprove that? No, you can't, because that would require you to hace a chat with the prez, so unless you can actually put up some proof, then your OP is dead in the water. Have some dignity, and quit while you're behind.

[HogTrash]

The hell you say !!! [ha-ha, just kidding]

I believe everybody in government is aware of Obama's true history but for some strange reason, say or do nothing.

I also believe every journalist in America also knows his true history but because most support his far left politics, don't report it.

[Sitarro]

The dick head that is calling himself Barack Hussein Obama today is completely and totally to blame for everything written about him. He is the one that refuses to release records of his past, he is the one that invites speculation. His questionable relationships, his parents, his grand parents, his asshole preacher for 20 years, all bring up questions to who he really is. Did he really do well in school or was he helped along every step of the way by ultra leftist professors that saw in him a drive to do something they wanted done in politics?

From the refusal to show his real birth certificate, rather than a bullshit certificate of "live Birth" that any good anarchist mother would make sure he had, to the refusal to open his college records........ what did he write in school? We are told he was a very bright student....... prove it. Both of his parents were anarchist, his grand parents, the ones that really raised him in his formative years were communists, are we really suppose to believe he turned out just perfect with his upbringing?

This guy is unlike anyone that has ever been elected President, he essentially had very little past to figure out who he was and what he stood for. He was elected for a few reasons and none of those had anything to do with qualifications to be a lousy dog catcher. From what I've seen of the guy over the last 3 years I wouldn't trust him with 50 cents to go get me a coke down the street.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,




Okay, it's been done, it was disproved by point that the article was phony.

Here's a scenario for going there: He was 20, and wanted to see the world. See? no problems, no conspiracy, nothing, he just decided for whatever reason that he wanted to go there, like so many people coming out of high school who backpack across Europe, or join up into the Peacecorps. Can you disprove that? No, you can't, because that would require you to hace a chat with the prez, so unless you can actually put up some proof, then your OP is dead in the water. Have some dignity, and quit while you're behind.



1. No man I have to disagree strongly.
2. He says he had a back ground in internation policy, when running for President, yet in his two books never mentioned why.
3. Perhaps he met with Osama, stranger things have happened.
4. I smell a skeliton in his closet, and I need more answers.



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Cap'n Chew]

The hell you say !!! [ha-ha, just kidding]

I believe everybody in government is aware of Obama's true history but for some strange reason, say or do nothing.

I also believe every journalist in America also knows his true history but because most support his far left politics, don't report it.

:lol:

[darin]

may OF lied???? OF Lied??? (sigh).

[Jeff]

A better title for this thread would of been did Obama say anything that was true to become president :eek:

[glockmail]

What didn't he lie about?

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,





may OF lied???? OF Lied??? (sigh).



1. Darin did I just create a grammer mistake?
2. Maybe I should of titled it " May Have".
3. Other than that you pulled up zip eh?
4. I guess I don't get that gold star from you on this thread then, darn it!::laugh2:



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas