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Little-Acorn
03-02-2010, 03:15 PM
Looks like some lowlifes weren't too worried about the consequences of breaking into a home while the family was inside, blowing several of them away, and walking out again.

If Chicago laws change so that law-abiding people are finally allowed to own guns in their homes, most people still won't carry or even own guns. But some will, and the bad guys won't know which ones they are.

Do you suppose any of the home-invaders might have second thoughts about smashing into a private home, knowing that it might be one of the ones with armed residents inside who can shoot back?

As always, deterrence is the most important effect of constitutional permission for law-abiders to own guns. Most people still won't bother, but some will, and the home-invaders, muggers, rapists etc. won't know which ones they are.

It's enough to make a self-respecting criminal consider a new line of work.

The U.S. Supreme Court is hearing arguments today in a case on Chicago's gun ban - a ban obeyed only by people who obey the law. Too bad they didn't hear it and decide the case earlier. Three Chicago residents (plus many others) might still be alive today.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,587732,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a4:g4:r3:c0. 000000:b0:z5

3 Family Members Killed in Chicago Suburb Home Invasion

Tuesday, March 02, 2010

March 2: Three family members were killed in their Darien, Ill., home in an apparent home invasion.

Three people who were found fatally shot inside their house after an apparent home invasion in west suburban Darien, Ill., Tuesday morning have been identified, MyFoxChicago.com reported.

Police Chief Robert Pavelchic said the victims were Jeffrey Kramer, 50, Lori Kramer, 48, and their son, Michael Kramer, 20. Pavelchic also said three other people were inside the home at the time of the shooting: a daughter, a son and another woman whose relationship to the family is not yet known.

At 2:59 a.m. police received a call from the daughter, who is believed to be in her early 20s, inside the house. She was hiding upstairs and told police she heard a suspicious noise or shots fired in the home in the Tara Hill subdivision in the 8900 block of Kilkenny Drive, according to Darien Deputy Police Chief John Cooper.

Police found a woman and two men fatally shot in the house, where they all lived, according to Cooper.

The three who survived the attack were being interviewed the Darien Police Department and contacting other family members.

Jeffrey Kramer owns a towing company in Cicero, but police had no information about whether the family business may be somehow involved in the shooting.

The incident was an apparent home invasion according to Cooper who said no one — including the person who called police — witnessed the attack although they were inside the house.

No children were there and none of the victims were taken to hospitals, Cooper said.

Although a suspect is not in custody, police do not consider it a threat to anyone else.

“Yes, there is somebody out there," Cooper said, but also said they did not consider it a public safety issue, and schools or homes in the area were not evacuated.

gabosaurus
03-02-2010, 10:30 PM
Wouldn't make any difference. Someone who wants to break into your home is going to do it anyway.
In Los Angeles, thieves broke into the home of a known gun collector and shot him and his wife. The irony was a man with over 100 guns in house being taken out by a punk with one.

darin
03-02-2010, 10:43 PM
another victory for haters of Freedom! :-/

The person in LA you mention is the exception. Im not a gun collector - my guns are accessable. Nobody will break into my house while I'm home without the chance of bodily harm to themselves. No mercy when it comes to defending my family.

SassyLady
03-03-2010, 12:17 AM
Here's an interesting aspect on gun ownership:


Sensible Gun Registration Plan That Will Work

Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, as well as Vermont 's own Constitution very carefully, and his strict interpretation of these documents is popping some eyeballs in New England and elsewhere.

Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and require them to pay a $500 fee to the state. Thus Vermont would become the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun.

Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not only affirming the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as a clear mandate to do so. He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by the Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" by the government as well as criminals. Vermont 's constitution states explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State" and those persons who are "conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent." Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any situation that may arise."

Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver's license number with the state. "There is a legitimate government interest in knowing who is not prepared to defend the state should they be asked to do so," Maslack saysVermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with the least restrictive laws of any state .. it's currently the only state that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. This combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has resulted in a crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation.

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

This makes sense! There is no reason why gun owners should have to pay taxes to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns. Let them contribute their fair share and pay their own way.

darin
03-03-2010, 05:57 AM
^^^ that is AWESOME....if Obama can do that with to folks who choose not to have health insurance...just sayin.

CSM
03-03-2010, 08:02 AM
Here's an interesting aspect on gun ownership:

Interesting that Vermont has the third lowest crime rate in the nation.

I like the idea of charging a fee for non-ownership. After all, not owning a gun means the burden of protection falls to the "state" and those who choose that option should pay for the luxury.

Gaffer
03-03-2010, 09:00 AM
I particularly like this statement.


"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

It's so very true.

glockmail
03-03-2010, 09:56 AM
Interesting that Vermont has the third lowest crime rate in the nation.
.... Too cold for minorities.