Obama's politics mirrors those of most all minorities.

[HogTrash]

If you are anti-Obama and believe he is a closet marxist and a promoter of socialist policies with intentions of destroying America then you should keep one thing in mind.

95% of black Americans support Obama and his leftist policies and those who have grown dissalusioned with him only did so because he has not paid their bills fast enough.

The pro-Obama support from the latino community is almost as strong as the black community, making the minorities a marxist threat to the America our forefathers formed.

Unlike with white Americans, there is very little political diversity among the minorities in America and almost all have a propensity to support socialist policies and ideals.

Blacks and latinos will never be true Americans and in fact have little if any desire to be...They are only here for the milk and honey and will vote us into marxism if possible.

Do you believe Obama is a closet marxist who wishes to destroy America in order to rebuild it from scratch into his perfect marxist utopia?

We know his progressive supporters want this...Do you believe his minority supporters want the same thing or have they simply been duped?

Abandon Political Correctness now and open your eyes before it's too late my friends...The future of America is depending on you.

[darin]

Where do you get your data re: 95%...etc..

[Monkeybone]

that is because America was once the land of possibilities and where you could make something of yourself if you just tried hard enough. Now it is the land of "where the hell is my handout!"



Where do you get your data re: 95%...etc.. He just know D... he just knows.....

[HogTrash]

Where do you get your data re: 95%...etc..I'm getting a little tired of posting and reposting this.

Ignorance is the #1 reason for the mess we are presently in.


Exit polls: How Obama won

Fully 96 percent of black voters supported Obama and constituted 13 percent of the electorate, a 2-percentage-point rise in their national turnout. As in past years, black women turned out at a higher rate than black men.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15297.html

[crin63]

If you are anti-Obama and believe he is a closet marxist and a promoter of socialist policies with intentions of destroying America then you should keep one thing in mind.

95% of black Americans support Obama and his leftist policies and those who have grown dissalusioned with him only did so because he has not paid their bills fast enough.

The pro-Obama support from the latino community is almost as strong as the black community, making the minorities a marxist threat to the America our forefathers formed.

Unlike with white Americans, there is very little political diversity among the minorities in America and almost all have a propensity to support socialist policies and ideals.

Blacks and latinos will never be true Americans and in fact have little if any desire to be...They are only here for the milk and honey and will vote us into marxism if possible.

Do you believe Obama is a closet marxist who wishes to destroy America in order to rebuild it from scratch into his perfect marxist utopia?

We know his progressive supporters want this...Do you believe his minority supporters want the same thing or have they simply been duped?

Abandon Political Correctness now and open your eyes before it's too late my friends...The future of America is depending on you.

Not to be contrary but I didn't see where it said they necessarily voted for him because of his policies. I know many did but I also know several Black folks that didn't vote for him because of his policies, however they were excited to see that a Black man could become president. I'm suggesting that there may been some if not many that only voted for him because he is Black and they didn't believe the bad stuff people were saying about him.

Although I think he may very well be the last for several decades too come because of his policies. I think he is going to do more to hurt Blacks than help them in the eyes of non-Blacks.

[darin]

I'm getting a little tired of posting and reposting this.

Ignorance is the #1 reason for the mess we are presently in.

Care to support your claim - or are you going to share unrelated data again?

That link talks of a POLL showing 96% of black voters. NOT 95% of Black Americans.

Logic isn't hard when you pay attention. :)

[HogTrash]

Care to support your claim - or are you going to share unrelated data again?

That link talks of a POLL showing 96% of black voters. NOT 95% of Black Americans.

Logic isn't hard when you pay attention. :)"Unrelated data"?...You've got to be kidding me, einstein?

I wonder what forces are at work in your mind that refuses to let you face the facts?...Like I said, it's no wonder our nation is in such a mess.

Just curious, does anybody else agree with dmp's rediculous theory that black voter percentages are not representative of black Americans?

[Kathianne]

"Unrelated data"?...You've got to be kidding me, einstein?

I wonder what forces are at work in your mind that refuses to let you face the facts?...Like I said, it's no wonder our nation is in such a mess.

Just curious, does anybody else agree with dmp's rediculous theory that black voter percentages are not representative of black Americans?

Oh yeah, my hand is up. Seemed that Crin was making a distinction also, did you miss that?

[HogTrash]

Oh yeah, my hand is up. Seemed that Crin was making a distinction also, did you miss that?Yes, as a matter of fact I did miss that, and still do.

He is desperately trying to create a rationale that doesn't exist.

If there is a statistic for non-voting blacks, he should post it as a rebuttal.

I would guess that the percentage of Obama supporters among non-voting blacks is even higher than the 96% of voting blacks.

IMO they would be the lazier and more non-productive members of the black race which would be more likely to support Obama and his socialist programs.

[HogTrash]

Not to be contrary but I didn't see where it said they necessarily voted for him because of his policies. I know many did but I also know several Black folks that didn't vote for him because of his policies, however they were excited to see that a Black man could become president. I'm suggesting that there may been some if not many that only voted for him because he is Black and they didn't believe the bad stuff people were saying about him.

Although I think he may very well be the last for several decades too come because of his policies. I think he is going to do more to hurt Blacks than help them in the eyes of non-Blacks.In other words you are saying there are people who voted for Obama simply because he was black, in spite of his history and politics.

I don't know which is more dangerous, marxist voters or stupid voters...Regardless, I suppose they will both deliver us to the same end.

[darin]

It's fine, I suppose, to form opinions based on speculation.

[HogTrash]

It's fine, I suppose, to form opinions based on speculation.It's only "speculation" if you deny the statistics.....To me it's a simple matter of common sense.

I'm sure that any polling expert would tell you the black voter stats mirror the black non-voter stats.

[crin63]

In other words you are saying there are people who voted for Obama simply because he was black, in spite of his history and politics.

I don't know which is more dangerous, marxist voters or stupid voters...Regardless, I suppose they will both deliver us to the same end.

Based on my multiple Black friends inability to vote for him but their excitement that a Black man could be president. Yes, I am saying that some, maybe even many voted for Obama just because he is/was Black.

The American public was bombarded by a Leftist Media calling anyone who opposed Obama a racist causing those who are not political junkies like most of us here to be shielded from the truth about who he is and was. Every accusation made against Obama however true was white-washed so to speak by the Leftist Media who actually elected Obama more than the people did since they propagated the lies.

[darin]

It's only "speculation" if you deny the statistics.....To me it's a simple matter of common sense.

I'm sure that any polling expert would tell you the black voter stats mirror the black non-voter stats.

So - you're using a Poll of Voters to decide the opinion of ALL BLACK AMERICANS.

Don't be a goofball.

[HogTrash]

Based on my multiple Black friends inability to vote for him but their excitement that a Black man could be president. Yes, I am saying that some, maybe even many voted for Obama just because he is/was Black.

The American public was bombarded by a Leftist Media calling anyone who opposed Obama a racist causing those who are not political junkies like most of us here to be shielded from the truth about who he is and was. Every accusation made against Obama however true was white-washed so to speak by the Leftist Media who actually elected Obama more than the people did since they propagated the lies.No doubt, the main stream media did a number on the American public in the last election.

This is the problem when we have agenda driven journalism...I hope the people have learned their lesson.

[HogTrash]

So - you're using a Poll of Voters to decide the opinion of ALL BLACK AMERICANS.

Don't be a goofball.The top political minds in America depend on these "Poll of Voters", why shouldn't I?

dmp, I don't mean to sound insulting or insensitive but your argument is quite rediculous.

Let's just call it a draw. :thumb:

[Agnapostate]

This idiocy about his closeted Marxism/socialism (or overt Marxism/socialism, if you'd prefer), will not cease, despite the denial of effectively every socialist in existence that he is one.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/why-obama-not-t128791/index.html?t=128791

And then, after the emergence of a group called "Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama" which I highly suspect to be a rightist plant: http://www.revleft.com/vb/marxists-socialists-communists-t129168/index.html?t=129168

"All in all, I'd say either some dumb high schooler whose thinks being a left liberal makes him a dangerous radical or a right wing troll pretending to be a dumb high schooler whose thinks being a left liberal makes him a radical."

"We all know Obama isnt a socialist and does not have a socialist agenda."

"A Leninist supporting Obama, a bourgeois politician? That doesn't make any sense."

"It seems to me a lot of liberals try to sound cool by calling themselves Socialists or Marxists when they have absolutely no understanding of either. I have a friend that called herself a Socialist when in reality she has never read an ounce of Socialist writings and worships Obama."

"If Obama was really a socialist 1) he would leave the Democratic party immediately on principle. 2) even if he ran as a Democrat, he would be destroyed by the leaders of that party before he could finish registering to run for a local election - as someone who worked with an actual progressive (non socialist) reform campaign, I have seen first hand how the Democratic Party works undemocratically to destroy any left-opposition to them. 3) If he somehow got past the Democratic Party machine and got into the primaries, he would be ignored, ridiculed, marginalized, and told he is hurting the party.

I don't know which is more aggravating - liberals who listen to Obama's rhetoric and think he actually will help them and deliver reforms or conservatives who listen to his rhetoric and think he's going to hurt capitalism with his reforms...Saying that Obama is 'a little bit socialist' or 'inching towards socialism' is like saying the Kind of France is a little republican or inching towards the end of caste-distinctions because he decided pass a law saying that the aristocracy can only flog peasants on weekdays. As the French merchants and business owners and laborers and peasants discovered, they couldn't reform the feudal system - they had to throw it out and build a new one."

And I said there that I'd perceive the majority of socialist support of Obama (to the meager extent that it even exists) as a "lesser of two evils" strategy also, with the traditional identification with what passes for the "left" in the U.S. with the poor and working class leading many socialists to be personally sympathetic to liberal democratic capitalist policies, regardless of the fact that they ultimately sustain the private ownership of the means of production. Rightists seem quite stubbornly unwilling to acknowledge that the majority of socialists reject the premise that Obama is one of them, which they'd certainly have ample incentive to do, considering that he's the most powerful head of state in the world. They simply insist that socialist public figures refuse to "narc" on their closeted comrade. I wonder what a visit to this site would teach them...

[Kathianne]

Based on my multiple Black friends inability to vote for him but their excitement that a Black man could be president. Yes, I am saying that some, maybe even many voted for Obama just because he is/was Black.

The American public was bombarded by a Leftist Media calling anyone who opposed Obama a racist causing those who are not political junkies like most of us here to be shielded from the truth about who he is and was. Every accusation made against Obama however true was white-washed so to speak by the Leftist Media who actually elected Obama more than the people did since they propagated the lies.

Seems to me little different than my parents voting for JFK back in '59 because he was Irish Catholic. True by '63 the lily was losing even the gild, but they knew they were happy that a Catholic finally won and Irish to boot.

They wouldn't have voted a second term for him, though.

[crin63]

Seems to me little different than my parents voting for JFK back in '59 because he was Irish Catholic. True by '63 the lily was losing even the gild, but they knew they were happy that a Catholic finally won and Irish to boot.

They wouldn't have voted a second term for him, though.

Sounds pretty much the same to me.

Isn't it amazing how today's Libs make the Libs of old almost look conservative.

[darin]

The top political minds in America depend on these "Poll of Voters", why shouldn't I?

dmp, I don't mean to sound insulting or insensitive but your argument is quite rediculous.

Let's just call it a draw. :thumb:

Your spelling is worse than my argument. :poke:


Dude - you did this:

"A poll of a select group of people" = "Everyone Related to the group of people".


It's just intellectually dishonest. Change the words of your rant to match the data - that's what I suggest. :)

For the Record - here's Obama's base:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19v5Kjmc8FI

[Kathianne]

Sounds pretty much the same to me.

Isn't it amazing how today's Libs make the Libs of old almost look conservative.

That's just the thing, my parents weren't liberal. Just Irish Catholic. :laugh2:

Perhaps you meant JFK? Yeah, he looks conservative compared to today's cast of characters.

[crin63]

That's just the thing, my parents weren't liberal. Just Irish Catholic. :laugh2:

Perhaps you meant JFK? Yeah, he looks conservative compared to today's cast of characters.

Yes I meant JFK. He looks like a conservative compared to Obama.

[HogTrash]

Your spelling is worse than my argument. :poke:


Dude - you did this:

"A poll of a select group of people" = "Everyone Related to the group of people".


It's just intellectually dishonest. Change the words of your rant to match the data - that's what I suggest. :)
Fact...96% of black voters pulled the lever for Obama.

If you were to take your best educated guess would you say;

[1] Less than 96% of non-voting blacks support Obama?

[2] More than 96% of non-voting blacks support Obama?

[3] 96% of non-voting blacks support Obama?

[darin]

As I said - you are speculating and using that speculation to prove a point; you're taking a poll sample and applying it to an entire group. That's fine. But to be honest, don't use Poll Data - a section of data from a small group, to define EVERYONE.

If you were honest, and worried about attention to detail you'd use 'voters polled' instead of "Black americans".

[HogTrash]

As I said - you are speculating and using that speculation to prove a point; you're taking a poll sample and applying it to an entire group. That's fine. But to be honest, don't use Poll Data - a section of data from a small group, to define EVERYONE.

If you were honest, and worried about attention to detail you'd use 'voters polled' instead of "Black americans".Just as I suspected...

Even you realize you have no argument for your position.

The reason...Your position is based on political correctness.

Political Correctness tells you what to believe but not how to back it up.

The remedy...Abandon political correctness and learn to think for yourself.

[darin]

Just as I suspected...

Even you realize you have no argument for your position.

The reason...Your position is based on political correctness.

Political Correctness tells you what to believe but not how to back it up.

The remedy...Abandon political correctness and learn to think for yourself.

No, the remediy is you stop making up statistics without any data bo back them up.

[Nukeman]

Just as I suspected...

Even you realize you have no argument for your position.

The reason...Your position is based on political correctness.

Political Correctness tells you what to believe but not how to back it up.

The remedy...Abandon political correctness and learn to think for yourself.

So does the same hold true for WHITE voters. Are you telling me that the polling of white voters is going to give you a honest snapshot of white America???? give me a break. Ohhhh wait I'm being PC!!!!!!!!! ohhhhh bad old me!!!!!!!!!!

[HogTrash]

So does the same hold true for WHITE voters. Are you telling me that the polling of white voters is going to give you a honest snapshot of white America???? give me a break. Ohhhh wait I'm being PC!!!!!!!!! ohhhhh bad old me!!!!!!!!!!Yes pretty much, although the statistics do prove that blacks are definately not as politically diverse as other races.

[darin]

80% of Female NASCAR drivers support Sarah Palin.


In Hog's world that'd mean 80% of All women support Sarah Palin...cuz it's pretty much the same thing...

[Jeff]

80% of Female NASCAR drivers support Sarah Palin.


In Hog's world that'd mean 80% of All women support Sarah Palin...cuz it's pretty much the same thing...

Damn I hope Danica isn't one of the 80%, Although there are only a few,:laugh2:

[Kathianne]

80% of Female NASCAR drivers support Sarah Palin.


In Hog's world that'd mean 80% of All women support Sarah Palin...cuz it's pretty much the same thing...

I'm guessing that in Hog's world that is true. I'm an outlier. ;)

[April15]

If you are anti-Obama and believe he is a closet marxist and a promoter of socialist policies with intentions of destroying America then you should keep one thing in mind.

95% of black Americans support Obama and his leftist policies and those who have grown dissalusioned with him only did so because he has not paid their bills fast enough.

The pro-Obama support from the latino community is almost as strong as the black community, making the minorities a marxist threat to the America our forefathers formed.

Unlike with white Americans, there is very little political diversity among the minorities in America and almost all have a propensity to support socialist policies and ideals.

Blacks and latinos will never be true Americans and in fact have little if any desire to be...They are only here for the milk and honey and will vote us into marxism if possible.

Do you believe Obama is a closet marxist who wishes to destroy America in order to rebuild it from scratch into his perfect marxist utopia?

We know his progressive supporters want this...Do you believe his minority supporters want the same thing or have they simply been duped?

Abandon Political Correctness now and open your eyes before it's too late my friends...The future of America is depending on you.

This post is too stupid for a child to make so why did you?

[cat slave]

Not to be contrary but I didn't see where it said they necessarily voted for him because of his policies. I know many did but I also know several Black folks that didn't vote for him because of his policies, however they were excited to see that a Black man could become president. I'm suggesting that there may been some if not many that only voted for him because he is Black and they didn't believe the bad stuff people were saying about him.

Although I think he may very well be the last for several decades too come because of his policies. I think he is going to do more to hurt Blacks than help them in the eyes of non-Blacks.

Hes not black....hes just not quite white! How very easy that voting block
is to mesmerize and manipulate.

Besides, Klinton was our first "black" prez was Klinton...rotfl.:lol:

[cat slave]

No doubt, the main stream media did a number on the American public in the last election.

This is the problem when we have agenda driven journalism...I hope the people have learned their lesson.

Gee and that would be the reason that cnn is sinking in a quagmire of mundane
feeble efforts to make purses out of sows ears while logical minds choose
FOX news.

[cat slave]

This post is too stupid for a child to make so why did you?

Oh, how politically incorrect HT, wheres your....sensitivity...your enlightened
sense of guilt? LOL:lol:

Well, the thing is that the deniers will all go down when we do....we just
know whats going on....they will be really surprised wont they? Denial only
works for just so long.

[Agnapostate]

logical minds choose FOX news.

The evidence indicates otherwise. For example, consider DellaVigna and Kaplan's The Fox News Effect: Media Bias and Voting (http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/qjec.122.3.1187):


Does media bias affect voting? We analyze the entry of Fox News in cable markets and its impact on voting. Between October 1996 and November 2000, the conservative Fox News Channel was introduced in the cable programming of 20 percent of U. S. towns. Fox News availability in 2000 appears to be largely idiosyncratic, conditional on a set of controls. Using a data set of voting data for 9,256 towns, we investigate if Republicans gained vote share in towns where Fox News entered the cable market by the year 2000. We find a significant effect of the introduction of Fox News on the vote share in Presidential elections between 1996 and 2000. Republicans gained 0.4 to 0.7 percentage points in the towns that broadcast Fox News. Fox News also affected voter turnout and the Republican vote share in the Senate. Our estimates imply that Fox News convinced 3 to 28 percent of its viewers to vote Republican, depending on the audience measure. The Fox News effect could be a temporary learning effect for rational voters, or a permanent effect for nonrational voters subject to persuasion.

I'd say it's the latter effect.

[HogTrash]

This post is too stupid for a child to make so why did you?I am curious to know how many people don't believe that 95% of black voter Obama supporters are not representative of blacks as a whole?

To me it seems like a very reliable common sense barrometer.

[Mr. P]

I am curious to know how many people don't believe that 95% of black voter Obama supporters are not representative of blacks as a whole?

To me it seems like a very reliable common sense barrometer.

I don't believe it.

Are 95% of white voters representative of whites as a whole?

Seems to me that's a common sense HELL NO!

[Kathianne]

I agree with Mr. P and others. The very fact that someone votes puts them in the category of different than those that don't, on that particular moment of that day.

Those that vote in primaries may be different than those that vote on election day.

Those that cast a 'one issue' vote are different than those who haven't any issues.

Those that are well informed are different than those that aren't.

See a pattern here?

HT, I'm assuming you are white. I am. I'm guessing we both voted? Do my views reflect yours? Vice versa?

[HogTrash]

80% of Female NASCAR drivers support Sarah Palin.


In Hog's world that'd mean 80% of All women support Sarah Palin...cuz it's pretty much the same thing...What I'm saying is, if 80% of NASCAR female driver voters supported Sarah Palin I would guess that most likely indicates that 80% of all NASCAR female drivers supported her as well.

Keep in mind, the polsters did not catagorize the black voters by anything other than race...Why do I suspect that you are intentionally missing the point?...This is a very liberal tactic.

[HogTrash]

I agree with Mr. P and others. The very fact that someone votes puts them in the category of different than those that don't, on that particular moment of that day.

Those that vote in primaries may be different than those that vote on election day.

Those that cast a 'one issue' vote are different than those who haven't any issues.

Those that are well informed are different than those that aren't.

See a pattern here?

HT, I'm assuming you are white. I am. I'm guessing we both voted? Do my views reflect yours? Vice versa?Black voters break the traditional voter mold...Why???

Because they are the least politically diverse group of people in America.

All political experts, including the Democrat Party overwelmingly refer to them as the most loyal voting block in America.

[Kathianne]

Black voters break the traditional voter mold...Why???

Because they are the least politically diverse group of people in America.

All political experts, including the Democrat Party overwelmingly refer to them as the most loyal voting block in America.

Whatever. There comes a point where it's pointless. There is no 'debate' with one that refuses to address any points, just keeps with their opinion. Enjoy your circle.

[HogTrash]

Whatever. There comes a point where it's pointless. There is no 'debate' with one that refuses to address any points, just keeps with their opinion. Enjoy your circle.I'm sorry Kat, I suppose I didn't quite understand your point and was simply trying to connect what I thought you meant to the subject of this thread.

IMO, 95% of blacks share the same political beliefs but many are too lazy, ignorant or simply choose for whatever reason not to participate at the polls.

I believe 95% of blacks will support a democrat candidate for the sole reason of party affiliation believing they are most likely to get something for nothing.