Top military officer urges lifting of gay ban

[gabosaurus]

The military hierarchy gets something right for a change.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100202/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_military_gays

[Silver]

The military's top uniformed officer on Tuesday made an impassioned plea for allowing gays to serve openly in uniform, telling a Senate panel it was a matter of integrity and that it is wrong to force people to "lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens."

I just have a problem with some homo walking around the barracks in his pink teddy after hours .... or painting his toenails or some shit....

No one demanded they lie about who they are, but rather they keep their sex lives to themselves, where it belongs, and not flaunt their homosexuality.....
In other words, to remain exactly how it is right now.....don't ask, don't tell is really a restraint against the services to mind their own business rather than a restraint against the homo......

[darin]

that's what happens with Politicians leading our military.

[HogTrash]

Hey, the gays could have their very own military unit...We could call them F Troop. :laugh2:

Would anybody care to take a guess at what the "F" stands for? :lol:

The military could attach them to engineering for use in clearing mine fields, booby traps, IEDs and unexploded ordinance. :lmao:

[glockmail]

Queers can serve in the military, they just have to observe the same code of conduct as everyone else. Now they want special treatment, and for what, choosing a deviant lifestyle?

[DragonStryk72]

Queers can serve in the military, they just have to observe the same code of conduct as everyone else. Now they want special treatment, and for what, choosing a deviant lifestyle?

Oh, is it special treatment now to be allowed to be who you are? Wow, I did not know that. Here I thought that was an inherent right protected under the Constitution.

Every person in the military has to follow the same code of conduct, that's why it's the military.

Also, how do you know it is a choice? Can you site your research, or are you just using another tired rhetoric line that is built to try and castigate them? I've noticed this is a repeated tactics for the homophobes on here.

[glockmail]

Oh, is it special treatment now to be allowed to be who you are? Wow, I did not know that. Here I thought that was an inherent right protected under the Constitution.

Every person in the military has to follow the same code of conduct, that's why it's the military.

Also, how do you know it is a choice? Can you site your research, or are you just using another tired rhetoric line that is built to try and castigate them? I've noticed this is a repeated tactics for the homophobes on here.

You can be who you are, just keep your mouth shut about its. Sodomy is against the military code, so a guy can't get a blow job or poke a bung-hole unless both parties keep their mouths shut about it.

I've known a few lesbians in my day who have since gone straight: they chose. I also know two identical twin sisters and one's gay and the other ain't: they chose.

[darin]

Oh, is it special treatment now to be allowed to be who you are? Wow, I did not know that. Here I thought that was an inherent right protected under the Constitution.

Every person in the military has to follow the same code of conduct, that's why it's the military.

Also, how do you know it is a choice? Can you site your research, or are you just using another tired rhetoric line that is built to try and castigate them? I've noticed this is a repeated tactics for the homophobes on here.

No - it's special treatment because they want to do what they do. "Gay" doesn't define ANYTHING but one's behaviour. It's the very definition of the word homosexual. HomoAgenda groups have succeeded in scaring anyone from challenging their lie "they were born with a preference". Your blatant claim is silly - it's on you to prove it's a 'condition' of biology - further, if you were compassionate, and could prove their preference is a forced behavior based in biology, you'd try to seek help to correct the problem like many other 'defects' which afflict mankind.

[Noir]

I understand the idea of 'don't ask, don't tell' but what if no-one asks, or tells, but its obvious anyways?
Like my dad has letters and pictures that he got sent by women when he was on tour, as sort of 'penpals' if you will. He even met up with one of them when he got back. I assume you guys have a similar thing in america? If so would a guy/girl be able to write to someone of the same sex? Or do they have to keep up appearances, or just not write at all?

Another thing i've noticed from pictures of troops from Iraq/Afghan is the sheer volume of pornography that guys have on the wall beside their bed, again are the gays/lesbians allowed to do the same?

[DragonStryk72]

You can be who you are, just keep your mouth shut about its. Sodomy is against the military code, so a guy can't get a blow job or poke a bung-hole unless both parties keep their mouths shut about it.

I've known a few lesbians in my day who have since gone straight: they chose. I also know two identical twin sisters and one's gay and the other ain't: they chose.

Really, they told you this? Interesting, since not one gay man or woman I've talked to has said that. Every single one of them said that it was the natural way they went, but you likely won't recognize anyhow.

Also, interfering in the sexual conduct of consenting adults is simply wrong, period. It is absolutely no business of the U.S. government, the U.S. Military, the President, the Congress, or the Supreme Court what I am doing in my own home. Second, having been in the military, I can tell you with a great degree of experience that Navy guys talk constantly about getting, having, or having had blow jobs, on or off ship. Apparently, Marines do it too, and as per my Army friends, the tradition is alive and well there too. Not sure about the Chair Force, though.

[glockmail]

Really, they told you this? Interesting, since not one gay man or woman I've talked to has said that. Every single one of them said that it was the natural way they went, but you likely won't recognize anyhow.

Also, interfering in the sexual conduct of consenting adults is simply wrong, period. It is absolutely no business of the U.S. government, the U.S. Military, the President, the Congress, or the Supreme Court what I am doing in my own home. Second, having been in the military, I can tell you with a great degree of experience that Navy guys talk constantly about getting, having, or having had blow jobs, on or off ship. Apparently, Marines do it too, and as per my Army friends, the tradition is alive and well there too. Not sure about the Chair Force, though.

Of course active queers are going to tell you that they don't have a choice; they don't want to take personal responsibility for their abnormal behavior. If they turn straight like my friends did they might also find the courage to confess the truth.

So guys yap at each other about sexual exploits and denigrating women. They probably brag about how big their cocks and balls are as well. No one takes that seriously, so I don't see your point.

[theHawk]

The military hierarchy gets something right for a change.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100202/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_military_gays

The "military hierarchy" are the top commanders who have to do what Obama wants, they don't have much of a choice.

[82Marine89]

No - it's special treatment because they want to do what they do. "Gay" doesn't define ANYTHING but one's behaviour. It's the very definition of the word homosexual. HomoAgenda groups have succeeded in scaring anyone from challenging their lie "they were born with a preference". Your blatant claim is silly - it's on you to prove it's a 'condition' of biology - further, if you were compassionate, and could prove their preference is a forced behavior based in biology, you'd try to seek help to correct the problem like many other 'defects' which afflict mankind.

Same goes for 'Straight'. It's a behavior. I don't care if they were born that way or sucked into it. It is their choice and their choice alone. If it is not illegal and it does not infringe on my Rights then they should be allowed to do what they want. It's no different from us being allowed to do what we want.

[glockmail]

Same goes for 'Straight'. It's a behavior. I don't care if they were born that way or sucked into it. It is their choice and their choice alone. If it is not illegal and it does not infringe on my Rights then they should be allowed to do what they want. It's no different from us being allowed to do what we want. You're using the victimless crime defense. If that's the case, one should be able to use drugs.

[Jeff]

Having never been in the military I guess this is a question, As far as I understand the laws of the military sodomy is against the rules, A MP friend of mine told me this back when Clinton was in office, he stated the military's definition of sodomy could be either anal or oral sex, so if a gay man couldn't have either of these( or he would be breaking the rules) then I would guess that being gay in the military would be getting special treatment, unless of course ya want to try the argument that they could be gay and not have sex while in the military, but we all know that is hog wash

[Abbey Marie]

Same goes for 'Straight'. It's a behavior. I don't care if they were born that way or sucked into it. It is their choice and their choice alone. If it is not illegal and it does not infringe on my Rights then they should be allowed to do what they want. It's no different from us being allowed to do what we want.

Yes, but heteroexual sex is a "behavior" that is natural to overwhelming percentages of society, and happens to be the only "behavior" that results in the propagation of the species.

[82Marine89]

You're using the victimless crime defense. If that's the case, one should be able to use drugs.

As long as they don't infringe on the Rights of others OK, but like alcohol use there must be laws to control it.

[glockmail]

As long as they don't infringe on the Rights of others OK, but like alcohol use there must be laws to control it. So you have no problem with guys in the military on drugs. Got it. ;)

[HogTrash]

Originally Posted by 82Marine89
Same goes for 'Straight'. It's a behavior. I don't care if they were born that way or sucked into it. It is their choice and their choice alone. If it is not illegal and it does not infringe on my Rights then they should be allowed to do what they want. It's no different from us being allowed to do what we want.Being attracted to the opposite sex[or "straight" as you refer to it] is not a choice, it is an instinct of nature for the survival of the species.

I just realized something, einstein...You're not all that bright...Just curious, exactly how many years of formal education do you actually have?

[82Marine89]

So you have no problem with guys in the military on drugs. Got it. ;)

As long as they are not under the influence during work hours, yes. Same goes for alcohol. Thing is there are rules against it and I understand why they are there. my personal opinion is if they want to get stoned and it does not affect their work, then they should be allowed.

[82Marine89]

Being attracted to the opposite sex[or "straight" as you refer to it] is not a choice, it is an instinct of nature for the survival of the species.

I just realized something, einstein...You're not all that bright...Just curious, exactly how many years of formal education do you actually have?

Homosexuality has been documented in almost 500 species of animals, signaling that sexual preference is predetermined. Considered the closest living relative to humans, bonobos are not shy about seeking sexual pleasure. Nearly all of these peace-loving apes are bisexual and often resolve conflict by the "make love, not war" principle. They copulate frequently, scream out in delight while doing so, and often engage in homosexual activities. About two thirds of the homosexual activities are amongst females. (http://www.livescience.com/bestimg/?cat=gayanimals)

[Abbey Marie]

As long as they are not under the influence during work hours, yes. Same goes for alcohol. Thing is there are rules against it and I understand why they are there. my personal opinion is if they want to get stoned and it does not affect their work, then they should be allowed.

Wow, really? People who do drugs tend to have long-term effects of impaired judgement, for one. Once it affects their work, which can be a life or death situation, it's too late. I find it hard to believe that you or anyone would want to serve with a druggie or a heavy drinker.

ETA: I am more and more getting the impression that Libertarians are willing to sacrifice a moral code (as in being pro-choice), common sense (as in drugs in the military are ok), and other good things, just to support an ideal of 100% liberty.

[Abbey Marie]

Homosexuality has been documented in almost 500 species of animals, signaling that sexual preference is predetermined. Considered the closest living relative to humans, bonobos are not shy about seeking sexual pleasure. Nearly all of these peace-loving apes are bisexual and often resolve conflict by the "make love, not war" principle. They copulate frequently, scream out in delight while doing so, and often engage in homosexual activities. About two thirds of the homosexual activities are amongst females. (http://www.livescience.com/bestimg/?cat=gayanimals)

You really went there...
Indeed, the homosexual community as a general rule has long been known for their trolling for casual sex partners. Yes, I suppose if people want to act on the level of pleasure-seeking, limited-intelligence monkees or apes, we should give them a marriage certificate. :rolleyes:

[glockmail]

As long as they are not under the influence during work hours, yes. Same goes for alcohol. Thing is there are rules against it and I understand why they are there. my personal opinion is if they want to get stoned and it does not affect their work, then they should be allowed.Abbey already jumped you on this. I can't say it any better.

[82Marine89]

You really went there...
Indeed, the homosexual community as a general rule has long been known for their trolling for casual sex partners. Yes, I suppose if people want to act on the level of pleasure-seeking, limited-intelligence monkees or apes, we should give them a marriage certificate. :rolleyes:

I'm straight and before I got married I went trolling for casual sex partners. Lots of folks do/did. So what? I have since married and don't do it anymore, but I don't have a problem with someone else going out and sowing there oats.

[Abbey Marie]

I'm straight and before I got married I went trolling for casual sex partners. Lots of folks do/did. So what? I have since married and don't do it anymore, but I don't have a problem with someone else going out and sowing there oats.

If I remember your picture correctly, I'm certain you didn't have any trouble finding willing partners. :coffee:

[Missileman]

Having never been in the military I guess this is a question, As far as I understand the laws of the military sodomy is against the rules, A MP friend of mine told me this back when Clinton was in office, he stated the military's definition of sodomy could be either anal or oral sex, so if a gay man couldn't have either of these( or he would be breaking the rules) then I would guess that being gay in the military would be getting special treatment, unless of course ya want to try the argument that they could be gay and not have sex while in the military, but we all know that is hog wash

Sodomy will have to be removed from the UCMJ if gays are to allowed to openly serve in the military.

[Noir]

I understand the idea of 'don't ask, don't tell' but what if no-one asks, or tells, but its obvious anyways?
Like my dad has letters and pictures that he got sent by women when he was on tour, as sort of 'penpals' if you will. He even met up with one of them when he got back. I assume you guys have a similar thing in america? If so would a guy/girl be able to write to someone of the same sex? Or do they have to keep up appearances, or just not write at all?

Another thing i've noticed from pictures of troops from Iraq/Afghan is the sheer volume of pornography that guys have on the wall beside their bed, again are the gays/lesbians allowed to do the same?

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