Our Noah's Ark

[Michael]

Our Noah's Ark
The last prophecy letter by Michael
This letter is dedicated to all Christians

Our time here is getting short. Therefore, I've decided to construct one final outline of prophetic events. These prophetic events, which I've been writing about and debating for over two decades, are now heading towards a conclusion. Therefore, it is important that this letters purpose be understood. This letter is an interpretation and will move fairly fast with limited explanation. I hope it is understandable to all.

Since Christianity began, believers have always been taught to have faith. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen, Hebrews 11:1. It has always been my thought that if the Bible was true faith would eventually become reality. In other words, prophecies that were written in a vague manner would start to become apparent and faith would become visible. An example of this would be Noah's Ark. If we could see the Ark upon a mountain then something we learned as faith would become a reality. Reality is one step higher than Faith. Short of seeing God, which we cannot do until we die, this is as good as it gets for a believer. Therefore, this is what I call, "Our Noah's Ark". Our Noah's Ark is prophecy fulfilled in plain view. This now becomes something seen, instead of faith in something unseen. Better said, some of the prophecies of Revelation are finally becoming discernible, which suggests a conclusion. The two most important items that must be derived from this narrative are as follows. If these prophecies which were written centuries ago are now happening, we know two things. One, that the author of those prophecies was God; and two, that the religion he brought was true. Therefore, all other religions are false. I'll say that again. There is only one God and he brought only one way to Heaven. Any other way must become false and will lead to the second death, which is the death of the soul. Let's get started.

Note: not all verses are exact quotes. Some are paraphrased.

Rev. 13:1 - The beast with seven heads and ten horns.

The seven heads are seven nations. The ten horns are ten kings. The beast is a group of nations that will wage war or the leader of those nations. Literally, it is Israel and the Muslim nations that surround her. This beast was born when Israel received her independence in 1948. This beast though, as stated in Rev. 13:1, is actually Israel at a specific time in her history. It denotes the Oslo Accords of 1993 and the beginning of land for peace. This agreement lasted seven years and ended in September 2000 with the start of the second intifada. This brings us to those three extra kings who the beast subdues in Daniel. These kings were Israeli Prime Ministers and all served during this seven year time frame. Arafat was known to have boasted that he affected the elections in Israel three times through terror. Daniel 9:27 says he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. The covenant began with the agreement between Yasser Arafat and Prime Minister Rabin. It is also known as Daniel's 70th week. In Hebrew, the word many is written Rab.

Rev. 13:3- The beasts deadly head wound.

Head is a nation. It is similar to the heads of Rev 13:1, only singular. The beast's head (nation) was wounded in 1967 and is now being healed through the Oslo Accords.

Rev. 13:4- And they worshipped the dragon. Who is able to make war with him?

Islam is a false religion. The dragon is Satan. As long as they aren't worshipping Christ they are worshipping Satan. Who is able to make war with him refers to the difficulty of fighting a terrorist enemy. In other words, they are not really an army. A suicide bomber is almost impossible to defend against.

Rev. 13:5- he was able to continue 42 months.

Arafat continued for 42 months during the Oslo Accords before terror finally caused the Israelis to stop giving into his demands. The last 42 months of those seven years were not nearly as productive for him. This was during the term of Benjamin Netanyahu as Prime Minister from 1996 to 1999.

Rev. 13:7- power was given him over all kindreds and nations.

Arafat had power over all peoples of the Earth in the United Nations. All nations wanted Israel to give back lands won in the 1967 war. Votes in the U.N. are always one-sided in favor of the Palestinians.

Rev. 13:10- this is a parable. Those who lead into captivity will be taken captive. Those who kill with the sword shall be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and faith of the saints.

Translation- If you lead others to false Gods you will be taken captive by those Gods. If you kill with the sword, which the Lord is the two-edged sword or better said the Word of God , you will be killed with the sword. In other words, believers will be taken by the Lord. This is the faith of the saints.

Rev. 13:11- and I beheld another beast coming up out of the Earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

This second beast has two horns. The horns are kings. Therefore, this second beast is a country with two kings. This is the Palestinian Authority after Hamas was elected and brought into the Unity Government in 2006.

Rev. 13:12- And he exercises all the power of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and them which dwell therein, to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Hamas exercised all the power of the previous PA government because they were now an equal partner in the Government. Also, the leader of Hamas caused them to worship or honor the first beast (Mahmoud Abbas and the PA) because he would not honor the first beast. The first beast was the PA without Hamas as a member. The image of the beast is what the Government of Mahmoud Abbas represented. Verse 12 does not mention the image yet, we are just informed that he caused them to worship the first beast. Verse 14 and 15 gives the details of how that worshipping or honor was to commence. An image was created of the first beast that he (the false prophet) caused to be honored. This image of the beast is three items; the recognition of Israel, the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and a renunciation of terror.

Rev. 13:13- "And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the Earth in the sight of men". What is the great wonder that he does in the sight of men?????

The answer is Hamas or Palestinian rocket fire on the cities of Sderot and Ashkelon.

Rev. 13:15- And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast, should be killed.

Hamas gave life unto the image of the beast. Why? Because Hamas would not honor the image themselves. In other words, if Hamas agreed with the image it would never have been an issue. It was born from their disagreement. Therefore, they gave it life. Another way to say it is they caused it to be or exist.

Rev. 13:16- "and he caused all both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond to receive a mark in their right hand or their foreheads:
Rev. 13:17- And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev.13:18- Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding, count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man, and his number is, six hundred threescore and six."

These last three verses all refer to the beast (Mahmoud Abbas). If you were to think of it as a time line, it drops back in time a few years. Verse 16 is the election of Mahmoud Abbas as the President of the PA Government after the death of Yasser Arafat. All voters received an indelible ink mark on their hands so they could not vote twice. This was the Mark. It says in verse 17 no one could buy and sell unless they had the mark, the name, or the number of the beast. The number of the beast happened on June 16, 2006. This was the date that a new program was established that allowed Mahmoud Abbas to receive funds to pay the salaries of his people. This program was called the Temporary International Mechanism. All salaries passed through the office of Mahmoud Abbas. Therefore, if you were a supporter of his and on his payroll you got paid. Hamas did not receive salaries. Hamas also did not receive the mark of Mahmoud Abbas. They boycotted the PA elections for President on Jan. 9, 2005.

I can't do much better than that. This is why this is my last letter. There is nothing more for me to say. Now all that's left is for the final war to start. I believe that will happen very soon. This is Our Noah's Ark. Michael aka Ephraim

[Gaffer]

Well, it's good this is the last letter. I must have missed the previous letters. How many were there? And what does revelations have to do with noah's ark?
I see a lot of straw grabbing here , but nothing concrete. Not to mention so much that was left out concerning the book of revelations. You didn't mention the anti-christ, but then he's in the white house.

Are you a troll or will you come back and comment? I'm waiting with "baited" breath.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. No let him speak!!!
2. Looks like he may be onto something.
3. There could very well be a flood, but no ship will save you then.
4. Yes what other letters did you write?
5. Sounds interesting.
6. Welcome to Debate Policy Michael!!!!


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Michael]

Well, it's good this is the last letter. I must have missed the previous letters. How many were there? And what does revelations have to do with noah's ark?
I see a lot of straw grabbing here , but nothing concrete. Not to mention so much that was left out concerning the book of revelations. You didn't mention the anti-christ, but then he's in the white house.

Are you a troll or will you come back and comment? I'm waiting with "baited" breath.

You're right I didn't mention the antichrist...I applaud you for making that observation. The antichrist is Satan. He will be kicked out of heaven for 3.5 years as per Revelation 12 and 2nd Thess. Chap. 2, which is in the not too distant future. The beast and the false prophet are not Satan and can be revealed. This is what I have done. Satan will be revealed to Earth after the Rapture. Christians will not be on Earth for the Great Tribulation.
I have written about five letters. This is my last one. Concerning your belief in who the antichrist is, I don't agree. Satan is a real person just like you and me. Although, I'm sure he won't go by that name once he arrives. Michael

[Michael]

Btw, you hurt my feelings...I like to think of myself as an Elf, not a troll. I'm one of Santa's helpers...Michael

[Gaffer]

Well, let's begin with the fact that no where in the bible is there mention of a rapture. That was made up in 1840, or there abouts. They later became known as the seventh day adventists. Holy rollers now days.

According to the book of Genesis satan was cast out while adam and eve were still in the garden. We have a slight time difference here. Just a small discrepancy. And I still haven't figured out what noah has to do with this.

You left out the temple on the mount too. Also Israel has to conquer some more land to get back to it's original boundaries. Jerusalem is after all a divided city. And where does the rest of the world come into play? What part will, say, Argentina play in this?

I asked about your being a troll, because we get so many that post and run away. Glad you at least came back to respond. My only dealings with elves has been with house elves. But I'm sure you wouldn't know anything about that.

Welcome to the board by the way. I'm sure you and the count are going to get along just fine.

[PostmodernProphet]

or.....Revelation is about the persecution of Christians by the Roman Empire and John's reassurances to them regarding the afterlife......

[Michael]

Well, let's begin with the fact that no where in the bible is there mention of a rapture. That was made up in 1840, or there abouts. They later became known as the seventh day adventists. Holy rollers now days.

According to the book of Genesis satan was cast out while adam and eve were still in the garden. We have a slight time difference here. Just a small discrepancy. And I still haven't figured out what noah has to do with this.

You left out the temple on the mount too. Also Israel has to conquer some more land to get back to it's original boundaries. Jerusalem is after all a divided city. And where does the rest of the world come into play? What part will, say, Argentina play in this?

I asked about your being a troll, because we get so many that post and run away. Glad you at least came back to respond. My only dealings with elves has been with house elves. But I'm sure you wouldn't know anything about that.

Welcome to the board by the way. I'm sure you and the count are going to get along just fine.

Are you a Christian Gaffer?

[Gaffer]

Are you a Christian Gaffer?

Nope.

[crin63]

Well, let's begin with the fact that no where in the bible is there mention of a rapture. That was made up in 1840, or there abouts. They later became known as the seventh day adventists. Holy rollers now days.

According to the book of Genesis satan was cast out while adam and eve were still in the garden. We have a slight time difference here. Just a small discrepancy. And I still haven't figured out what noah has to do with this.

The rapture is mentioned in:
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

I don't believe there is a time given for satans being booted out of heaven but I could be wrong.

[Gaffer]

The rapture is mentioned in:
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

I don't believe there is a time given for satans being booted out of heaven but I could be wrong.

That has nothing to do with the rapture. It is the final ending of the world. And the order in which things happen. It doesn't refer to people being caught up while others remain.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. Could be its already known that there will be a second flood, thats why Michael said something about Noah.
2. Where those Christians will all be spared if they go and be received into the Churches before the flood.
3. Where the Sanctuary is a place of real refuge.
4. Could be I already made a thread about this.:coffee:


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Gaffer]

Sorry bout that,


1. Could be its already known that there will be a second flood, thats why Michael said something about Noah.
2. Where those Christians will all be spared if they go and be received into the Churches before the flood.
3. Where the Sanctuary is a place of real refuge.
4. Could be I already made a thread about this.:coffee:


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Could be you just make things up as they come into your mind.

According to you God will break his promise.

[PostmodernProphet]

The rapture is mentioned in:
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.


where's the part about Jesus turning around and going back to heaven at that point?.....

[Michael]

The rapture is mentioned in:
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

I don't believe there is a time given for satans being booted out of heaven but I could be wrong.

Thank you crin63 for answering that question. I had a busy day. I asked Gaffer if he was a Christian because I wanted to know whether I was wasting my time in answering him. It serves no purpose to decipher a parable for someone who will just call you a fool or talk down to you. Furthermore, I don't put up with it. This is why I stated this letter was for Christians. It wasn't meant for non-Christians, and I don't care if they even read it. It is for my friends. I appreciate the help. Nice to meet you. Michael

[Gaffer]

Thank you crin63 for answering that question. I had a busy day. I asked Gaffer if he was a Christian because I wanted to know whether I was wasting my time in answering him. It serves no purpose to decipher a parable for someone who will just call you a fool or talk down to you. Furthermore, I don't put up with it. This is why I stated this letter was for Christians. It wasn't meant for non-Christians, and I don't care if they even read it. It is for my friends. I appreciate the help. Nice to meet you. Michael

In other words you are so much better than non-christians and only want to preach to the choir. That's nice.

What's wrong, don't like someone picking apart your fantasy? If you don't like it this is not a board for you.

[Michael]

In other words you are so much better than non-christians and only want to preach to the choir. That's nice.

What's wrong, don't like someone picking apart your fantasy? If you don't like it this is not a board for you.

Not so Gaffer, I've spent 25 years chasing one answer and I found it. I understand why all of you skeptics don't have a clue and I could care less whether you know. If I for a moment I think you are making fun of someone because they are Christian, you won't get the time of day from me. I know there are those out there whose calling it is to stand and listen to Atheists wine and complain, but that is not mine...This is why I thanked my friend crin63. Everyone does not posess the same gifts. I am here for my friends. This is a religion forum and I posted religious material. Your belief or disbelief in anything I say means less than nothing....Michael

[BoogyMan]

I can find no scriptural support for a "rapture" neither can I find any scriptural support for the text past chapter 3 of the book of Revelation being future.

Even the verses posted by Crin from 1st Thess don't speak of a "rapture."

[chloe]

Our Noah's Ark
The last prophecy letter by Michael
This letter is dedicated to all Christians

Our time here is getting short. Therefore, I've decided to construct one final outline of prophetic events. These prophetic events, which I've been writing about and debating for over two decades, are now heading towards a conclusion. Therefore, it is important that this letters purpose be understood. This letter is an interpretation and will move fairly fast with limited explanation. I hope it is understandable to all.

Since Christianity began, believers have always been taught to have faith. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen, Hebrews 11:1. It has always been my thought that if the Bible was true faith would eventually become reality. In other words, prophecies that were written in a vague manner would start to become apparent and faith would become visible. An example of this would be Noah's Ark. If we could see the Ark upon a mountain then something we learned as faith would become a reality. Reality is one step higher than Faith. Short of seeing God, which we cannot do until we die, this is as good as it gets for a believer. Therefore, this is what I call, "Our Noah's Ark". Our Noah's Ark is prophecy fulfilled in plain view. This now becomes something seen, instead of faith in something unseen. Better said, some of the prophecies of Revelation are finally becoming discernible, which suggests a conclusion. The two most important items that must be derived from this narrative are as follows. If these prophecies which were written centuries ago are now happening, we know two things. One, that the author of those prophecies was God; and two, that the religion he brought was true. Therefore, all other religions are false. I'll say that again. There is only one God and he brought only one way to Heaven. Any other way must become false and will lead to the second death, which is the death of the soul. Let's get started.

Note: not all verses are exact quotes. Some are paraphrased.

Rev. 13:1 - The beast with seven heads and ten horns.

The seven heads are seven nations. The ten horns are ten kings. The beast is a group of nations that will wage war or the leader of those nations. Literally, it is Israel and the Muslim nations that surround her. This beast was born when Israel received her independence in 1948. This beast though, as stated in Rev. 13:1, is actually Israel at a specific time in her history. It denotes the Oslo Accords of 1993 and the beginning of land for peace. This agreement lasted seven years and ended in September 2000 with the start of the second intifada. This brings us to those three extra kings who the beast subdues in Daniel. These kings were Israeli Prime Ministers and all served during this seven year time frame. Arafat was known to have boasted that he affected the elections in Israel three times through terror. Daniel 9:27 says he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. The covenant began with the agreement between Yasser Arafat and Prime Minister Rabin. It is also known as Daniel's 70th week. In Hebrew, the word many is written Rab.

Rev. 13:3- The beasts deadly head wound.

Head is a nation. It is similar to the heads of Rev 13:1, only singular. The beast's head (nation) was wounded in 1967 and is now being healed through the Oslo Accords.

Rev. 13:4- And they worshipped the dragon. Who is able to make war with him?

Islam is a false religion. The dragon is Satan. As long as they aren't worshipping Christ they are worshipping Satan. Who is able to make war with him refers to the difficulty of fighting a terrorist enemy. In other words, they are not really an army. A suicide bomber is almost impossible to defend against.

Rev. 13:5- he was able to continue 42 months.

Arafat continued for 42 months during the Oslo Accords before terror finally caused the Israelis to stop giving into his demands. The last 42 months of those seven years were not nearly as productive for him. This was during the term of Benjamin Netanyahu as Prime Minister from 1996 to 1999.

Rev. 13:7- power was given him over all kindreds and nations.

Arafat had power over all peoples of the Earth in the United Nations. All nations wanted Israel to give back lands won in the 1967 war. Votes in the U.N. are always one-sided in favor of the Palestinians.

Rev. 13:10- this is a parable. Those who lead into captivity will be taken captive. Those who kill with the sword shall be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and faith of the saints.

Translation- If you lead others to false Gods you will be taken captive by those Gods. If you kill with the sword, which the Lord is the two-edged sword or better said the Word of God , you will be killed with the sword. In other words, believers will be taken by the Lord. This is the faith of the saints.

Rev. 13:11- and I beheld another beast coming up out of the Earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

This second beast has two horns. The horns are kings. Therefore, this second beast is a country with two kings. This is the Palestinian Authority after Hamas was elected and brought into the Unity Government in 2006.

Rev. 13:12- And he exercises all the power of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and them which dwell therein, to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Hamas exercised all the power of the previous PA government because they were now an equal partner in the Government. Also, the leader of Hamas caused them to worship or honor the first beast (Mahmoud Abbas and the PA) because he would not honor the first beast. The first beast was the PA without Hamas as a member. The image of the beast is what the Government of Mahmoud Abbas represented. Verse 12 does not mention the image yet, we are just informed that he caused them to worship the first beast. Verse 14 and 15 gives the details of how that worshipping or honor was to commence. An image was created of the first beast that he (the false prophet) caused to be honored. This image of the beast is three items; the recognition of Israel, the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and a renunciation of terror.

Rev. 13:13- "And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the Earth in the sight of men". What is the great wonder that he does in the sight of men?????

The answer is Hamas or Palestinian rocket fire on the cities of Sderot and Ashkelon.

Rev. 13:15- And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast, should be killed.

Hamas gave life unto the image of the beast. Why? Because Hamas would not honor the image themselves. In other words, if Hamas agreed with the image it would never have been an issue. It was born from their disagreement. Therefore, they gave it life. Another way to say it is they caused it to be or exist.

Rev. 13:16- "and he caused all both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond to receive a mark in their right hand or their foreheads:
Rev. 13:17- And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev.13:18- Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding, count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man, and his number is, six hundred threescore and six."

These last three verses all refer to the beast (Mahmoud Abbas). If you were to think of it as a time line, it drops back in time a few years. Verse 16 is the election of Mahmoud Abbas as the President of the PA Government after the death of Yasser Arafat. All voters received an indelible ink mark on their hands so they could not vote twice. This was the Mark. It says in verse 17 no one could buy and sell unless they had the mark, the name, or the number of the beast. The number of the beast happened on June 16, 2006. This was the date that a new program was established that allowed Mahmoud Abbas to receive funds to pay the salaries of his people. This program was called the Temporary International Mechanism. All salaries passed through the office of Mahmoud Abbas. Therefore, if you were a supporter of his and on his payroll you got paid. Hamas did not receive salaries. Hamas also did not receive the mark of Mahmoud Abbas. They boycotted the PA elections for President on Jan. 9, 2005.

I can't do much better than that. This is why this is my last letter. There is nothing more for me to say. Now all that's left is for the final war to start. I believe that will happen very soon. This is Our Noah's Ark. Michael aka Ephraim


so whats the end date 2012 or what?

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,




Not so Gaffer, I've spent 25 years chasing one answer and I found it.


1. And how did you find it?



I understand why all of you skeptics don't have a clue and I could care less whether you know.



2. I don't know, Gaffer may be a Christian, but is just testing you....



If I for a moment I think you are making fun of someone because they are Christian, you won't get the time of day from me. I know there are those out there whose calling it is to stand and listen to Atheists wine and complain, but that is not mine...



3. I don't think Gaffers a whiner, but yeah he complains alot.



This is why I thanked my friend crin63. Everyone does not posess the same gifts. I am here for my friends. This is a religion forum and I posted religious material. Your belief or disbelief in anything I say means less than nothing....Michael




4. Try not to come off as some grumpy preacher, we're alls friends here.



5. I'm interested in what you're saying, so lets see where this goes.




Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Michael]

so whats the end date 2012 or what?

I didn't give an end date. It's very close though. I'm quite fond of the name Chloe. Michael

[Michael]

Sorry bout that,

4. Try not to come off as some grumpy preacher, we're alls friends here.

5. I'm interested in what you're saying, so lets see where this goes.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

I'll do my best concerning number 4.

[chloe]

I didn't give an end date. It's very close though. I'm quite fond of the name Chloe. Michael

My bro's name is Michael. He is very insightful too. I wish you knew the end date though.

[Michael]

My bro's name is Michael. He is very insightful too. I wish you knew the end date though.

The closer it gets the more easy I can see it. It is very close. That's the best I can do Chloe...Michael

[chloe]

The closer it gets the more easy I can see it. It is very close. That's the best I can do Chloe...Michael

DO you think you have to be a member of a religion to be safe or as long as you believe in God you will be fine?

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,






I can find no scriptural support for a "rapture" neither can I find any scriptural support for the text past chapter 3 of the book of Revelation being future.

Even the verses posted by Crin from 1st Thess don't speak of a "rapture."




1. Jesus spoke of the catching up, two here, two there, one taken the other left.
2. Paul spoke of it, in the twinkle of an eye, being caught up too.
3. Being caught up to where?
4. In the 70 weeks of Danials Prophecy, Danial says there will be a flood, and followed by desolation.
5. But as Gaffer pointed out, God made a promise never to flood the earth in the same way he did in Noahs flood.
6. So if this flood were somewhat different, lets say, those Churches that follow Gods word, will be spared on earth, with devine protection.
7. While the flood wipes off all humanity not protected, by being in their Churches during this flash flood.
8. The one taken would be taken to their Church to be saved, right before the flash flood.
9. Desolation would follow.
10. Theres an other teaching Jesus made, where he said, something like, "When the door is shut, even if you're knocking it will be too late at some point" paraphrasing.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Michael]

DO you think you have to be a member of a religion to be safe or as long as you believe in God you will be fine?

You don't have to be a member of a church or any specific denomination. You just have to believe in Jesus. Jesus was God. That's why to not believe in Jesus is to not believe in God...Michael

[chloe]

You don't have to be a member of a church or any specific denomination. You just have to believe in Jesus. Jesus was God. That's why to not believe in Jesus is to not believe in God...Michael

ok good then I should be ok:cool:

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. I don't want to ruin this for you, but,.......
2. I think you will need to find a Church Chloe.
3. Many times God has protected those of his flock, while the heathern died without protection.
4. I'm of a mind, that sees our Church homes as being the place where those called will be in Church, and find total protection there.
5. When the time comes, I will head on over to my Church, to weather the storm.
6. It will be one of those, don't look back moments, nor take anything with you moments.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Michael]

ok good then I should be ok:cool:

Sweetheart, you are more than ok...God bless you. Michael

[chloe]

Sorry bout that,


1. I don't want to ruin this for you, but,.......
2. I think you will need to find a Church Chloe.
3. Many times God has protected those of his flock, while the heathern died without protection.
4. I'm of a mind, that sees our Church homes as being the place where those called will be in Church, and find total protection there.
5. When the time comes, I will head on over to my Church, to weather the storm.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


well i dont have a church, the only church near me is the mormon church.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,




well i dont have a church, the only church near me is the mormon church.



1. I won't tell you where you should go to Church, but it just might be a good time to find one.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[chloe]

Sorry bout that,







1. I won't tell you where you should go to Church, but it just might be a good time to find one.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

well I work on sundays, do you go to church ?

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,




well I work on sundays, do you go to church ?



1. Yup.
2. Some Churches like mine have Mass during the week.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[chloe]

Sorry bout that,







1. Yup.
2. Some Churches like mine have Mass during the week.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

oh I dont think Ive ever been to a mass, Ive been to sacrament at the mormon church and I went to a presbytarian church before and a baptist church. I liked the baptist one alot they have good music @!!!!

[BoogyMan]

Sorry bout that,

1. Jesus spoke of the catching up, two here, two there, one taken the other left.
2. Paul spoke of it, in the twinkle of an eye, being caught up too.
3. Being caught up to where?
4. In the 70 weeks of Danials Prophecy, Danial says there will be a flood, and followed by desolation.
5. But as Gaffer pointed out, God made a promise never to flood the earth in the same way he did in Noahs flood.
6. So if this flood were somewhat different, lets say, those Churches that follow Gods word, will be spared on earth, with devine protection.
7. While the flood wipes off all humanity not protected, by being in their Churches during this flash flood.
8. The one taken would be taken to their Church to be saved, right before the flash flood.
9. Desolation would follow.
10. Theres an other teaching Jesus made, where he said, something like, "When the door is shut, even if you're knocking it will be too late at some point" paraphrasing.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Chess old boy, how can we have a biblical discussion without you presenting me with references to the scriptures upon which you are basing your arguments?

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,




Chess old boy, how can we have a biblical discussion without you presenting me with references to the scriptures upon which you are basing your arguments?




1. Well when you know the Bible as well as I do, you don't need to go fetch chapter and verse.
2. Anyways, I'm sure you have heard of these phrases before.
3. I'm just not internet savy enough to go and grab them back here.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[PostmodernProphet]

Sorry bout that,








1. Well when you know the Bible as well as I do, you don't need to go fetch chapter and verse.
2. Anyways, I'm sure you have heard of these phrases before.
3. I'm just not internet savy enough to go and grab them back here.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

lol.....

[BoogyMan]

Sorry bout that,

1. Well when you know the Bible as well as I do, you don't need to go fetch chapter and verse.
2. Anyways, I'm sure you have heard of these phrases before.
3. I'm just not internet savy enough to go and grab them back here.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

If you know it that well you certainly won't have a problem providing book, chapter, and verse for your assertions, my friend.

[HogTrash]

The Day of the Lord

1 Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you,

2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.

3 While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.

5 You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness.

6 So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober.

7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night.

8 But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.

9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

10 He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him.

11 Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.

http://www.biblica.com/bible/verse/?q=1%20Thessalonians%205&tniv=yes