Bill Clinton on Obama - "A few years ago this guy would have been getting us coffee"

[red states rule]

Looks to me alot of Dems knew damn well how unqualified Obama was to be President

Now we are all seing the proof on a daily basis






Teddy's anger

One of the enduring mysteries of the 2008 campaign was what got Ted Kennedy so mad at Bill Clinton. The former president's entreaties, at some point, backfired, and the explanation has never quite emerged.

I've finally gotten my hands on a copy of Game Change, in which John Heliemann and Mark Halperin report:

[A]s Hillary bungled Caroline, Bill’s handling of Ted was even worse. The day after Iowa, he phoned Kennedy and pressed for an endorsement, making the case for his wife. But Bill then went on, belittling Obama in a manner that deeply offended Kennedy. Recounting the conversation later to a friend, Teddy fumed that Clinton had said, A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0110/Teddys_anger.html

[stephanie]

Of course they knew...the little Marxist was installed for one thing..

For any criticism of him or the Progressive party they could try to shame and shout down anyone with the charge of RACISM, while they went off and try to install their Socialist-communist agenda..

not a PC view, but that's how I see it.

[red states rule]

Of course they knew...the little Marxist was installed for one thing..

so any criticism of him or the Progressive party they could try to shame and shout down anyone with the charge of RACISM, while thy went off and try to install their Socialist-communist agenda..

not a PC view, but that's how I see it.

Stephanie, it is commone knowledge among libs that it is impossible for a lib to be racist even if he is racist

[Agnapostate]

The man's a regular Arkansas cracker. Did we expect political correctness? :laugh:

[namvet]

Stephanie, it is commone knowledge among libs that it is impossible for a lib to be racist even if he is racist

hold on there T did you hear what Reid called Osama????

Reid apologizes for 'no Negro dialect' comment


Sen. Barack Obama as "light skinned" and "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one." Obama is the nation's first African-American president.

"I deeply regret using such a poor choice of words. I sincerely apologize for offending any and all Americans, especially African-Americans for my improper comments," Reid said in a statement released after the excerpts were first reported on the Web site of The Atlantic.



source (source) :coffee:

[red states rule]

The man's a regular Arkansas cracker. Did we expect political correctness? :laugh:

and Harry Reid is?

You can bet that when libs are behind closed doors, away from others, and TV cameras they make jokes about blacks, and other minorities

Their fellow liberal buddies laugh it up, slap each other on the back, and tell them how funny the joke was

Then when they go out in public, and appear in front of the cameras they go into pretend mode like they actually care about those minorities

[red states rule]

and does anyone remember how the left went crazy over the "racist" comments made by Bill Cunningham?

Telling the truth about Obama must now be considered a racist if you are white and disagree with Obama

and of course John McCain rolled over and showed what a wimp he really is

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[stephanie]

Not to worry, the Democrats and their LAPDOG media are already circling the wagons..

this is the two-faced double standards that always happens..

I would hold my breath waiting for any liberal or Democrat ask that Reid resign, but I know I would die first..

[red states rule]

Not to worry, the Democrats and their LAPDOG media are already circling the wagons..

this is the two-faced double standards that always happens..

I would hold my breath waiting for any liberal or Democrat ask that Reid resign, but I know I would die first..

I learned many years ago if not for double standards, liberals would have no standrads at all

[PostmodernProphet]

The man's a regular Arkansas cracker. Did we expect political correctness? :laugh:

how is he wrong?....there's nothing racial in that comment at all....a couple of years before, Obama was nothing more than a state senator.....compared to national leaders, he WOULD have been getting the coffee.....even today, he isn't qualified to do much more than that......

[HogTrash]

and does anyone remember how the left went crazy over the "racist" comments made by Bill Cunningham?

Telling the truth about Obama must now be considered a racist if you are white and disagree with Obama

and of course John McCain rolled over and showed what a wimp he really is

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Hmmm?...Do you suppose this means I must be a racist too? :dunno:

[red states rule]

I saw absolutely nothing racist in Mr Cunningham's speech. :confused:

Hmmm?...Do you suppose this means I must be a racist too? :dunno:

Join the club

I have been called a racist, a Nazi, a hater, and told I would even want to open concentration camps for liberals

Those are are typical reactions liberals have to something knows as FACTS

It helps them to try and avoid them, and allows them to change the subject and attack

[Gaffer]

Join the club

I have been called a racist, a Nazi, a hater, and told I would even want to open concentration camps for liberals

Those are are typical reactions liberals have to something knows as FACTS

It helps them to try and avoid them, and allows them to change the subject and attack

I would love to open concentration camps for liberals.

[Binky]

Of course they knew...the little Marxist was installed for one thing..

For any criticism of him or the Progressive party they could try to shame and shout down anyone with the charge of RACISM, while they went off and try to install their Socialist-communist agenda..

not a PC view, but that's how I see it.

And that is EXACTLY how I see it.....

[Kathianne]

And that is EXACTLY how I see it.....

This is what is called, consensus. Congrats!

[HogTrash]

I would love to open concentration camps for liberals.I understand your sentiment Gaffer but at the present time it is those on the right who are most likely to be be dragged off to a concentration camp.

Homeland Security considers gun owners, tea baggers and returning war veterans to be more of a threat to America than Islamic terrorist with WMD's.

[Gaffer]

I understand your sentiment Gaffer but at the present time it is those on the right who are most likely to be be dragged off to a concentration camp.

Homeland Security considers gun owners, tea baggers and returning war veterans to be more of a threat to America than Islamic terrorist with WMD's.

That's why I consider myself and enemy of the state.

[HogTrash]

That's why I consider myself and enemy of the state.You are not alone my friend.....You have been assigned alot of company.

[Agnapostate]

You're not an enemy of the state unless you have a political compass like mine, sparky. :laugh:

http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo18/Dolgoff/a7899002.png

[Agnapostate]

double post

[HogTrash]

As long as you're to the left of that center vertical line, you're right up Obama's marxist ally, ho chi min. :wink2:

[Agnapostate]

As long as you're to the left of that center vertical line, you're right up Obama's marxist ally, ho chi min. :wink2:

Retarded as ever, Cletus; Obama's plotted to the right of the line.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/uscandidates2008.png

This is consistent with his center-right governance. He's not appeased his liberal constituency, themselves very weak leftists and fundamentally supportive of capitalism.

[PostmodernProphet]

Retarded as ever, Cletus; Obama's plotted to the right of the line.


which answers did you use for the questions.....his campaign promises or his true feelings.....

[Binky]

This is what is called, consensus. Congrats!

:gives:

[Agnapostate]

which answers did you use for the questions.....his campaign promises or his true feelings.....

I didn't plot him at all. I suspect that his stated ideology is to the left of the line, but his method of governance is to the right.

[red states rule]

This is what is called, consensus. Congrats!

Also, can you imagine America with no poverty, and no racism?

If that would (or could) happen, why would America ever elect another liberal to any elected office?

Liberals need to have things bad so they can use the issues in elections. For over 40 years libs have promised to wipe poverty and racism from America. All they done with their programs is make the problems worse

Yet there are people out there who continue to believe them despite examples like this that show libs really do not give a damn about them or believe what they tell the voters

[PostmodernProphet]

I didn't plot him at all. I suspect that his stated ideology is to the left of the line, but his method of governance is to the right.

so you just made up a picture?.......and tried to prove a point with it?.......wow, you just took a hit in credibility here......

[glockmail]

so you just made up a picture?.......and tried to prove a point with it?.......wow, you just took a hit in credibility here...... Exactly. Obama's on the upper left somewhere, Palins on the center right. :laugh2:

[Agnapostate]

so you just made up a picture?.......and tried to prove a point with it?.......wow, you just took a hit in credibility here......

What the hell are you talking about? That's the analysis offered by the well known Political Compass site; I had nothing to do with making the image.


Exactly. Obama's on the upper left somewhere, Palins on the center right. :laugh2:

He's nowhere near the upper left at all. While all political figures are by their nature in the upper half, the vast majority are on the right half, particularly national figures. I'd place him near the center in terms of his ideological nature but within the right in terms of the actual nature of his governance. And Palin's certainly more socially authoritarian than he is, which places her closer to the top than he is.

[red states rule]

and I thought the left had broken the racial divide with their election of Obama

[glockmail]

....



He's nowhere near the upper left at all. While all political figures are by their nature in the upper half, the vast majority are on the right half, particularly national figures. I'd place him near the center in terms of his ideological nature but within the right in terms of the actual nature of his governance. And Palin's certainly more socially authoritarian than he is, which places her closer to the top than he is.

Thanks for admitting that these are your opinions, and thus, like assholes, everyone has them, nothing more.

A review of these politicians past actions with relation to these charts would be enlightening to you. Obama is on the far left and authoritarian and Palin the ideological opposite.

[HogTrash]

Retarded as ever, Cletus; Obama's plotted to the right of the line.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/uscandidates2008.png

This is consistent with his center-right governance. He's not appeased his liberal constituency, themselves very weak leftists and fundamentally supportive of capitalism.Whata gullible moron.

[Agnapostate]

A review of these politicians past actions with relation to these charts would be enlightening to you. Obama is on the far left and authoritarian and Palin the ideological opposite.

Obama, inasmuch as he is a liberal democratic capitalist with an interest in preserving the private ownership of the means of production, is nowhere near the far left. Conversely, I'm a communist, which is why I am.

Palin is also not the "ideological opposite." Considering the constrained and limited nature of the political spectrum in Washington, Palin's politics do not differ radically from Obama's; they both fall into the authoritarian half of the compass, with Palin elevated higher due to the authoritarian elements of her social conservatism, with advocacy of anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage stances conflicting with libertarianism. Palin's economic position is also not far right; though it's well to the right as opposed to Obama's center-right position, it's certainly nowhere near that of Murray Rothbard, for example.

[Agnapostate]

Whata gullible moron.

I think the forum's malfunctioning. For some reason, this sentence is positioned above your signature line. :slap:

[red states rule]

Whata gullible moron.

That is putting it mildly

[Insein]

Obama, inasmuch as he is a liberal democratic capitalist with an interest in preserving the private ownership of the means of production, is nowhere near the far left. Conversely, I'm a communist, which is why I am.

Palin is also not the "ideological opposite." Considering the constrained and limited nature of the political spectrum in Washington, Palin's politics do not differ radically from Obama's; they both fall into the authoritarian half of the compass, with Palin elevated higher due to the authoritarian elements of her social conservatism, with advocacy of anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage stances conflicting with libertarianism. Palin's economic position is also not far right; though it's well to the right as opposed to Obama's center-right position, it's certainly nowhere near that of Murray Rothbard, for example.

Not a word.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inasmuch

[Agnapostate]

Not a word.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inasmuch

"Withhold" is not a word either, then, is it? At any rate, nothing can contend with the irony of trying to correct others' spelling and grammar with a sentence fragment, so take care to examine the plank in your own eye. ;)

[red states rule]

"Withhold" is not a word either, then, is it? At any rate, nothing can contend with the irony of trying to correct others' spelling and grammar with a sentence fragment, so take care to examine the plank in your own eye. ;)

If only people were as tolerant toward Sen Allen and his "macaca" comment

The Washington Post kept his comment on the front page for about 6 weeks - right up to the election

Even after his many apologies

[Agnapostate]

If only people were as tolerant toward Sen Allen and his "macaca" comment

The Washington Post kept his comment on the front page for about 6 weeks - right up to the election

Even after his many apologies

IIRC, he fumbled badly by trying to claim that it was derived from "mohawk" or whatever it was.

A more convincing lie would have been to claim that he'd picked up the word from his mother but didn't realize that it was of a pejorative nature, as that was simply the word she used.

[red states rule]

IIRC, he fumbled badly by trying to claim that it was derived from "mohawk" or whatever it was.

A more convincing lie would have been to claim that he'd picked up the word from his mother but didn't realize that it was of a pejorative nature, as that was simply the word she used.

Bottom line is how the liberal media covered the story

If it is a Republican - Allen, Trent Lott, or Gov Sanford - it is front page news 24/7

If it is a liberal Dem - Clinton, John Edwards, Harry Reid - the liberal media will bury it, try to ignore it, or barely mention it

The double standards are clear.

[red states rule]

and what about Hillary

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and how all of a sudden she talked like a southern gal?

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[glockmail]

Obama, inasmuch as he is a liberal democratic capitalist with an interest in preserving the private ownership of the means of production, is nowhere near the far left. Conversely, I'm a communist, which is why I am.

Palin is also not the "ideological opposite." Considering the constrained and limited nature of the political spectrum in Washington, Palin's politics do not differ radically from Obama's; they both fall into the authoritarian half of the compass, with Palin elevated higher due to the authoritarian elements of her social conservatism, with advocacy of anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage stances conflicting with libertarianism. Palin's economic position is also not far right; though it's well to the right as opposed to Obama's center-right position, it's certainly nowhere near that of Murray Rothbard, for example.

Again this is all opinion, as you admit, from your extremist viewpoint, and not indicative of reality. :lame2:

[Agnapostate]

Again this is all opinion, as you admit, from your extremist viewpoint, and not indicative of reality. :lame2:

And this is a non-response. Cheers!

[glockmail]

And this is a non-response. Cheers! Your second?

[Little-Acorn]

That political compass test has been floating around for years. And it says you can be on the right, and still favor "authoritarian".

Garbage in, garbage out.

But it's cute and slick-looking, so the more gullible still believe it.

[Agnapostate]

Your second?

Actually, I was referring to your post where you responded to my arguments by calling them an opinion (very clever deduction), without the presentation of counter-arguments. :lol:


That political compass test has been floating around for years. And it says you can be on the right, and still favor "authoritarian".

Garbage in, garbage out.

But it's cute and slick-looking, so the more gullible still believe it.

It's difficult to imagine how one can be on the right and not be authoritarian to some extent, actually. For one thing, the social conservatism of many rightists is quite obviously aligned with the social authoritarianism on the compass, but for another, any support of capitalism is by its very nature a support of authoritarianism and statism, as the authoritarian hierarchies of capitalist labor markets facilitate theft and slavery.

[red states rule]

Bottom line is how the liberal media covered the story

If it is a Republican - Allen, Trent Lott, or Gov Sanford - it is front page news 24/7

If it is a liberal Dem - Clinton, John Edwards, Harry Reid - the liberal media will bury it, try to ignore it, or barely mention it

The double standards are clear.


And this is a non-response. Cheers!

No comment on posts 40 and 41?

[Trigg]

This isn't a racist comment either. It's a comment about his ability and qualifications for being President. It has nothing to do with race.

He was a Jr senator and now he's way over his head.

[Agnapostate]

No comment on posts 40 and 41?

More of a non-interest than anything else, as your internal party disputes are of little concern to me. That said, can you point to any substantive research or evidence that validates what you say, as opposed to your own subjective anecdotal perceptions?

[red states rule]

More of a non-interest than anything else, as your internal party disputes are of little concern to me. That said, can you point to any substantive research or evidence that validates what you say, as opposed to your own subjective anecdotal perceptions?

More like you are busted

Research? How about Newsweek sat on the story of Bill and Monica for over a week - and they knew about it during his re-election bid - but said nothing

John Edwards and his affar and love child were common knowledge - but if only got your news from the liberal media - you would have no idea about it

Harry Reid has an approval rating over 70%.

With the liberal media. More then 70% of the coverage regrading his Negro comment is postivie. Mostly due to the guests they have on talking about the issue. Most are liberals

And now Newsweek is letting Pres Obama write their cover story on Haiti - and he says he sees no bias there

Also a recent poll came out where once again, people say there is a liberal bias to the media, and they do it like it

The bias will be even worse, as the loyal foot soliders of the Obama Army have to explain what happened if indeed Scott Brown wins Tuesday

I will set my DVR for MSNBC just in case the upset happens

[Agnapostate]

Let's see something more substantive than your own ramblings...such as actual research that indicates this.

[red states rule]

Let's see something more substantive than your own ramblings...such as actual research that indicates this.

You really are an idiot. The bias of the liberal media is a fact

If you could refute anything I posted in the previous post about the liberal media bias you would do so

Look at the various threads I have going on the MA Senate race. The liberal media is openly showing their fear - and bias

But you are a lost cause. Nothing more then a troll who is here to stir the pot

[red states rule]

Let's see something more substantive than your own ramblings...such as actual research that indicates this.

Here the poll I was talking about

Not that facts and truth mean anything to you son




New Rasmussen Survey: Voters See Media As Liberal, Biased & Too Powerful
By Rich Noyes (Bio | Archive)
January 15, 2010 - 15:27 ET

A new survey from Scott Rasmussen finds that more than half of all voters (51%) believe "the average reporter is more liberal than they are," and two-thirds (67%) think the media have "too much power and influence over government decisions."

Rasmussen's poll was released Thursday. Perhaps proving the point, on Friday, MSNBC anchor Savannah Guthrie reacted to polls showing the Democrats losing ground in Massachusetts by exclaiming: "This is bad." According to Rasmussen: "Only 20% of all voters say most reporters try to offer unbiased coverage of a political campaign. Seventy-two percent (72%) say most reporters try to help the candidate they want to win."

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2010/01/15/new-rasmussen-survey-voters-see-media-liberal-biased-too-powerful

and

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/january_2010/67_say_news_media_have_too_much_influence_over_gov ernment_decisions

[crin63]

This isn't a racist comment either. It's a comment about his ability and qualifications for being President. It has nothing to do with race.

He was a Jr senator and now he's way over his head.

Agreed, I find nothing racist about it at all! Obviously Clinton could see that Obama has/had no qualifications, that he should be nothing more than an intern to some senator or judge for which he would be getting them coffee. Personally I think that probably puts the comment in its proper context.

However if it were a Republican that made the comment there would be no other news story out there. We probably wouldn't have even known about Haiti because it would have been so insignificant to the liberal media in comparison to clubbing some Republican with the remarks.

Far Left is authoritarian and far Right is Anarchy. Libertarians would fall on the right side of the scale. Liberals and Communists would fall on the Left side of the scale. Our Founding Fathers put us right in the middle of the scale.

[red states rule]

Agreed, I find nothing racist about it at all! Obviously Clinton could see that Obama has/had no qualifications, that he should be nothing more than an intern to some senator or judge for which he would be getting them coffee. Personally I think that probably puts the comment in its proper context.

However if it were a Republican that made the comment there would be no other news story out there. We probably wouldn't have even known about Haiti because it would have been so insignificant to the liberal media in comparison to clubbing some Republican with the remarks.

Far Left is authoritarian and far Right is Anarchy. Libertarians would fall on the right side of the scale. Liberals and Communists would fall on the Left side of the scale. Our Founding Fathers put us right in the middle of the scale.

Knowing the Clinton's past, I do think Bill ment to say "Sure the black guy would be getting me coffee"

But having that "D" at the ened of his name is giving him the needed protection from what would have happened if he would have been a Republican

[glockmail]

Actually, I was referring to your post where you responded to my arguments by calling them an opinion (very clever deduction), without the presentation of counter-arguments. :lol:.... I have no reason to counter your opinion. Opinions are like assholes, everyone does and should have one, and no need to counter every stool.

[crin63]

Knowing the Clinton's past, I do think Bill ment to say "Sure the black guy would be getting me coffee"

But having that "D" at the ened of his name is giving him the needed protection from what would have happened if he would have been a Republican

Heck, Clinton is such an Elitist that he thinks everyone should be getting him coffee.

[red states rule]

Heck, Clinton is such an Elitist that he thinks everyone should be getting him coffee.

Did Monica get him coffee?

It is amazing bill was stupid enough to tell Ted Kennedy - given how PC Ted was

Shows how stupid Bill was, and how full of himself is really is