Sarah Palin gets liar of the year award

[Luna Tick]

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And she deserves it.

[stephanie]

funny, you would think the little Marxist the Obama, President of the United States or someone in his corrupted administration would get it, but no, it goes to a PRIVIATE citizen of these United states...how bout that..:laugh2:

[Luna Tick]

She's a celebrity, a former governor, and a former vice presidential candidate.
And her lie was picked up and used ad nauseum. It was a MASSIVE lie. However you feel about health care reform, you have to admit (if you have any integrity) that not one of the bills included anything that could reasonably be construed as a Death Panel.

And, btw, you might study up on Marxism. It involves the abolishment of private property. Until you can prove Obama is for that principle, you have no business calling him a Marxist. Sorry, you're not well known enough to get the lie of the year award, but that's certainly a ridiculous one.

[stephanie]

She's a celebrity, a former governor, and a former vice presidential candidate.
And her lie was picked up and used ad nauseum. It was a MASSIVE lie. However you feel about health care reform, you have to admit (if you have any integrity) that not one of the bills included anything that could reasonably be construed as a Death Panel.

Please, not all of us in the United States are Stupid..The FEDERAL Government run health care will be one big, DEATH PANEL..
Oh the little Marxist is a Marxist, all you had to do is read his books he supposedly wrote to get a friggen a clue..

[Agnapostate]

And, btw, you might study up on Marxism. It involves the abolishment of private property. Until you can prove Obama is for that principle, you have no business calling him a Marxist.

It should be obvious that she's not able to. There was not a single rightist on this board capable of replying to my observations about the man's "socialism," after all:


The history of the development of socialist ideology as being focused around the collective ownership and management is conveyed through the American Heritage Dictionary's definition of "socialism" as "a social system in which the means of producing and distributing goods are owned collectively and political power is exercised by the whole community." With that in mind, where lies the basis for description of the liberal democratic capitalist administration as "socialist" in nature?

Liberalism and socialism are in fact antithetical because of the role of the welfare state in maintaining macroeconomic stabilization in general and sustaining the physical efficiency and employment of the working class, the latter constituting a sustainment of static efficiency. This role occurs in the context of the capitalist economy, which means that the welfare state is supporting the existence of the prevailing arrangement of the private ownership of the means of production. It's therefore ironically economic rightists who are greater allies of socialists, as their favored policies will destabilize capitalism.

*shrug*

[Silver]

While you have to use a childish cartoon as your "evidence" ...

we can use the real live video to absolutely and undeniably prove who deserves no only "the liar of the year award but deserves the liar of the decade award...(with Democrats, Reid and Pelosi close runner ups)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akVkzm0YPAc

[stephanie]

Leftist-liberals-Progressives-commies and cartoons go hand in hand..

they believe the American people are too stupid to understand anything complex, so they have to use a cartoon to explain it to them...

kinda like the degrading name of "teabaggers"..or their other pet name for people who disagree with them, knuckle draggers, rednecks, neanderthals, DENIERS..

nothing like pissing off and on the Majority of the voters of the country..

I say, KEEP IT UP...keep letting the American people see what you are ALL ABOUT..

2010 is Heeeeeeerrrrreeee...2012 here we come..:dance:

[red states rule]

She's a celebrity, a former governor, and a former vice presidential candidate.
And her lie was picked up and used ad nauseum. It was a MASSIVE lie. However you feel about health care reform, you have to admit (if you have any integrity) that not one of the bills included anything that could reasonably be construed as a Death Panel.

And, btw, you might study up on Marxism. It involves the abolishment of private property. Until you can prove Obama is for that principle, you have no business calling him a Marxist. Sorry, you're not well known enough to get the lie of the year award, but that's certainly a ridiculous one.

Ms Palin was correct about the death panels




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Next, let’s take a look at this from CNS News.

Slashing Medicare payments to hospitals that readmit ailing senior citizens–a component of the health care reform bill under consideration in Congress–could have serious consequences for the hospitals, including raising costs on hospitals an estimated $19 billion over 10 years, according to the American Hospital Association.

A plan to reduce preventable hospital readmissions is included in all of the health care bills before Congress and would impose a fee on hospitals that readmit patients for certain conditions, such as pneumonia and heart failure.

The details on how the readmissions policy would work, however, are largely left up to the Health and Human Services Department (HHS), a fact that concerns the nation’s hospitals. The penalties would only apply to hospitals where the readmission rates were well above the national average.


OK then, since when is admitting someone for pneumonia or heart failure preventable? I mean, if someone is having a heart attack, is there a more efficient alternative than admitting them…other than letting them expire in the ER waiting area?

Then, we must consider that the legislation in this case, does not set any criteria or qualifications for this, they simply charges Heath and Human Services with creating them. Who is going to write them? Will that process be open to debate? Will we even be made aware of the rules, or will a “czar,” or will a special interest group write them? Will the rules change with each new administration? Will the rules ever make sense? These are questions that need to be asked, however, we have to remember that this will be a “one size fits all” approach, so there will be little logic involved.

Here’s some more…

The Senate Finance Committee left the definition of a “selected condition” up to the HHS, specifying only that the government use eight conditions with a high rate or cost of readmission. The government can expand the list of selected conditions after three years, in 2016.

As the summary states, “Three years after implementation of the readmissions policy, the [HHS] Secretary would have the authority to expand the policy to other conditions. Additional conditions would be selected based on: (1) high spending on readmissions or high rates of readmissions; and (2) other criteria as determined by the Secretary.”

The American Hospital Association (AHA), in comments submitted to Baucus May 15, said that the Finance Committee’s plan could lead to “serious consequences” if the government does not get the details right.

“Hospital leaders and clinicians who care for patients recognize that some readmissions can be prevented,” the AHA said.


“But there are a number of factors beyond the hospital’s control that affect whether a patient is readmitted, including the natural course of the disease, the limited availability of post-acute and ambulatory health care services, high levels of poverty among some hospitals’ patients, and a lack of community-based social services,” it added.

“If these factors are not accounted for, they will lead to payment penalties, inequities and other serious consequences–intended and unintended–for hospitals, particularly safety-net hospitals,” said the AHA.



Now, they appear to be intent on punishing the hospitals for things that might be out of their control. For example, what If the patient doesn’t go to follow-up appointments? That’s a common occurrence. What if the aftercare practitioner isn’t taking more patients dues to being ripped off by the government plan, or has retired as they can no longer make enough money to justify their effort? What if the patient simply gets sick again? That’s the problem with a “one size fits all” plan, it cannot see or take into consideration the individual needs of each patient, or facility. There are facilities that are in areas with large senior populations. That population, statistically, will be sicker, as well as have more repeat episodes. Will hospitals in these areas simply have to cut back services as a whole? Or will they discourage certain patients from returning?

One more thing… What happens when the patient’s government insurance stops paying for an episode of care and wants the patient discharged? Then, the patient gets sick again, and the facility is penalized for doing what the government told them to do? Sounds like the banks being ordered to make bad loans, and then being blamed when the bad loans clobber the banking system, doesn’t it? Might this cause facilities to find ways not to admit or treat certain patients? Is this part of a way to penalize facilities for treating senior citizens?

http://conservativehideout.com/wordpress/2009/11/02/sara-palin-nancy-pelosi-ezekiel-emanuel-and-the-%e2%80%9cdeath-panels%e2%80%9d/

[stephanie]

Ms Palin was correct about the death panels

don't worry, they will overlook that and come out with more cartoon propaganda to tell us American citizens WE are ALL wrong to think what we think...typical commie probaganda, LIE right to our face and then tell us we really didn't hear the lie..:laugh2:

[red states rule]

don't worry, they will overlook that and come out with more cartoon propaganda to tell us American citizens WE are ALL wrong to think what we think...typical commie probaganda, LIE right to our face and then tell us we really didn't hear the lie..:laugh2:

Where iwll the "savings" from Obamacare come from

You can't cut costs of the HEALTHY, only the SICK

So care will be rationed and people will go without