"A Moment In History and He's Missing It"

[Kathianne]

Won't be first or last time. Lebanon has fallen, unnecessarily, now we are not responding to perhaps one of the best opportunities of our times:


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[Monkeybone]

He won't say yes or no, just voting present... that is it.

[Gaffer]

The iraian army is siding with the people and calling for the government to surrender. Things are changing there real fast. All he has to do is offer support to the people and they will topple that evil bunch of mullahs.

[Kathianne]

Krauthammer maybe onto a historical moment:

http://planet-iran.com/index.php/news/5862


Iranian Regime Critic Kadivar: ‘I Am Convinced that the Regime Will Collapse’
Posted by Zand-Bon on Dec 29th, 2009 and filed under Feature Articles, Photos, Rotating Photos. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0. You can leave a response or trackback to this entry
December 26, 2009
Source: Spiegel Online International

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SPIEGEL: Montazeri succeeded in recent months in uniting the religious and secular wings of the opposition. Has his death weakened the dissident movement?
Kadivar: The exact opposite is true. The mourning will actually strengthen the opposition’s determination. The Shiite Ashura (a religious holiday to take place on Sunday), which is symbolically about justice, will provide a further boost for the protest. The authorities are not able to ban this ceremony, which coincides with the seventh day after Montazeri’s death.

SPIEGEL: Do you expect a further escalation of state repression? Will the government dare to arrest the opposition politicians Mir Hossein Mousavi and Mahdi Karroubi?
Kadivar: You cannot rule out the possibility; at the same time, the rulers also fear any kind of escalation — and rightly so. The next level could be open rebellion. But things have not gotten that far yet. There is still a chance for a peaceful reform of the state.

SPIEGEL: Really? You don’t think that Iran has already long been on the path to becoming a religiously tinged military dictatorship?
Kadivar: You are right that the Shiite theocracy in its present form has failed — a fact that few have expressed as clearly as my teacher in the last few months. Incidentally, when Grand Ayatollah Montazeri had his falling out with Khomeini, three months before the supreme religious leader’s death in 1989, he said: This state is so different from the one we dreamed of and worked to create. Still, it is not Islam which has failed, but rather a particular interpretation of Islam. I also want to express that there hasn’t been a revolution in Iran yet. The opposition is becoming increasingly clear in the formulation of its objectives and more daring. Still, we need to remain patient. I do not know when, exactly, but I am convinced that the regime will collapse.

SPIEGEL: Can the West do anything to support a democratic reform process?
Kadivar: The tightening of sanctions is not the right path ahead. They affect the people more than the government. A military attack is something I categorically reject. Perhaps Western countries should stop treating Ahmadinejad’s government as the legitimate government of Iran. Otherwise, I think the reforms must be pushed forward from inside the country.

SPIEGEL: Do you still keep a picture of Khomeini on the wall in your apartment in Iran?
Kadivar: I took the Khomeini portrait down a long time ago, and neither have I put up a photo of my mentor, Montazeri. It has been replaced with a Koran verse: God is greater than anything.

Interview conducted by Erich Follath

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/12/published-document-states-khamenei-is-planning-an-escape-to-russia/


Published Document States Khamenei Is Planning to Escape to Russia
Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 4:53 AM
Jim Hoft
A letter published on the Iranian websites claims that Ayatollah Khamenei is planning a possible escape to Russia....

[Gaffer]

Krauthammer maybe onto a historical moment:

http://planet-iran.com/index.php/news/5862



http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/12/published-document-states-khamenei-is-planning-an-escape-to-russia/

Khamenei has had a plane sitting on the tarmac ready to leave for six months. He has been amassing billions in banks out side of the country. There's potential for russia to become involved there as well.

[Monkeybone]

Thing is... even with a regime change... how do we know what we are getting then? Nothing says that they are gonna be our friends then.

[Kathianne]

Thing is... even with a regime change... how do we know what we are getting then? Nothing says that they are gonna be our friends then.

No, we don't. But it probably will buy some time.

[Gaffer]

Thing is... even with a regime change... how do we know what we are getting then? Nothing says that they are gonna be our friends then.

Very true. It's a gamble, but there's a good chance it will be better for the iranian people if nothing else. And possibly a country the rest of the world can deal with, instead of a closed society. Lots of factions will be fighting for control. Including the russians.

The iranian army has come out on the side of the people, something our media seems to have missed reporting on. The fighting has gotten more intense with lots of shooting and protesters attacking vehicles to free prisoners captured in the rioting. The army has declared the government of iran as illegal and are moving to take it down.

This site has a lot of info about what is going on over there.

http://noiri.blogspot.com/