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Jeff
11-30-2009, 07:41 PM
After almost 3 months of trying to decide what to do, and many soldiers being hurt or killed, it seems Obama has decided on a new strategy in Afghanistan , says he doesn't want to leave it for another President ( guess he either isn't planning on running again or has realized there is no easy way out) and he won't give no more time tables ( he is learning, the last time table's he gave were so accurate ) He is suppose to announce his new plan tomorrow night

WASHINGTON – After months of debate, President Barack Obama will spell out a costly Afghanistan war expansion to a skeptical public Tuesday night, coupling an infusion of as many as 35,000 more troops with a vow that there will be no endless U.S. commitment. His first orders have already been made: at least one group of Marines who will be in place by Christmas.

Obama has said that he prefers "not to hand off anything to the next president" and that his strategy will "put us on a path toward ending the war." But he doesn't plan to give any more exact timetable than that Tuesday night.

The president will end his 92-day review of the war with a nationally broadcast address in which he will lay out his revamped strategy from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, N.Y. He spent part of Monday briefing foreign allies in a series of private meetings and phone calls.

Before Obama's call to Britain's Gordon Brown, the prime minister announced that 500 more U.K. troops would arrive in southern Afghanistan next month — making a British total of about 10,000 in the country. And French President Nicolas Sarkozy, whose nation has more than 3,000 in Afghanistan, said French troops would stay "as long as necessary" to stabilize the country.

Obama's war escalation includes sending 30,000 to 35,000 more American forces into Afghanistan in a graduated deployment over the next year, on top of the 71,000 already there. There also will be a fresh focus on training Afghan forces to take over the fight and allow the Americans to leave.

He also will deliver a deeper explanation of why he believes the U.S. must continue to fight more than eight years after the war was started following the Sept. 11 attacks by al-Qaida terrorists based in Afghanistan. He will emphasize that Afghan security forces need more time, more schooling and more U.S. combat backup to be up to the job on their own, and he will make tougher demands on the governments of Pakistan as well as Afghanistan.

"This is not an open-ended commitment," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said. "We are there to partner with the Afghans, to train the Afghan national security forces, the army and the police so that they can provide security for their country and wage a battle against an unpopular insurgency."

On a few of the bigger questions most on the minds of increasingly restive members of Congress and the public, such as how much the additional $30 billion to $35 billion cost will balloon the already skyrocketed federal deficit, how long the U.S. commitment will continue and how it will wind down, Obama was expected to make references without offering specifics.

Gibbs said detailed discussions on costs would be held later with lawmakers.

Even before explaining his decision, Obama told the military to begin executing the force increases. The commander in chief gave the deployment orders Sunday night, during an Oval Office meeting in which he told key military and White House advisers of his final decision.

At least one group of Marines is expected to deploy within two or three weeks of Obama's announcement and will be in Afghanistan by Christmas, military officials said. Larger deployments will begin early next year.

The initial infusion is a recognition by the administration that something tangible needs to happen quickly, officials said. The immediate addition of Marines will provide badly needed reinforcements for those fighting against Taliban gains in the southern Helmand province, and also could lend reassurance to both Afghans and a war-weary U.S. public.

Obama's overall review was launched Aug. 31, when Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, then the newly minted top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, delivered to Pentagon brass his assessment of the situation on the ground and what was needed to turn it around. McChrystal produced a separate resource request, first seen by Obama on Oct. 1. The president's review was anchored by 10 extensive war council meetings, starting on Sept. 13, that featured a debate between a counterinsurgency strategy focused on protecting the local population and building up the Afghanistan government or a more limited counterterrorism strategy.

The final product is neither, though it leans more toward counterinsurgency.

The length of the process drew sharp barbs. Less than two months in, Vice President Dick Cheney accused Obama of "dithering," beginning a drumbeat of criticism from Republicans. The White House shot back that the administration Cheney helped lead had given inordinate attention to Iraq while turning its back on Afghanistan.

But with U.S. casualties in Afghanistan sharply increasing and little sign of progress, the war Obama once liked to call one "of necessity," not choice, has grown less popular with the public and within his own Democratic Party. In recent days, leading Democrats have talked of setting tough conditions on deeper U.S. involvement, or even staging outright opposition.

The displeasure on both sides of the aisle is likely to be on display when congressional hearings on Obama's strategy get under way later in the week on Capitol Hill.

Obama spent much of Monday and Tuesday on the phone, outlining his plan — minus many specifics — for the leaders of France, Britain, Germany, Russia, China, India, Denmark, Poland and others. He also met in person at the White House with Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.

A briefing for dozens of lawmakers was planned for Tuesday afternoon, just before Obama left for New York to give his speech against a military backdrop.

He also was to call Afghan President Hamid Karzai and Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari — two leaders on whom the success of the plan will depend heavily.

In Afghanistan, rampant government corruption and inefficiency have made U.S. success much harder. Obama was expected to place tough conditions on Karzai's government, along with endorsing a stepped-up training program for the Afghan armed forces in line with recommendations this fall by U.S. trainers.

That schedule would expand the Afghan army to 134,000 troops by next fall, three years earlier than once envisioned.

The president faces a tricker task in talking tough on Pakistan.

Though extremist fighters and al-Qaida leaders are believed to be based in its western region near the border with Afghanistan, public scoldings from Washington can hurt as well as help Pakistani efforts because of pervasive anti-American sentiment. The U.S. cannot send troops into Pakistan, and rarely discusses the anti-terrorist missile strikes conducted inside Pakistan from U.S. drones.

Military officials said the speech is expected to include several references to Iraq, where the United States still has more than 100,000 troops. The strain of maintaining that overseas war machine has stretched the Army and Marine Corps and limited Obama's options.

He is expected to at least implicitly pledge not to return to the worst days of the Iraq war, when the Army was resorted to 15-month tours with little time at home between deployments and when National Guard and reserve troops were subjected to lengthy tours.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_us_afghanistan

namvet
11-30-2009, 09:34 PM
he's gonna send in 30,000. but is it to late?? will the brown shirts stop the funding??? they've threatened this all along. i just can't feature Pelosi or the other chicken shit libs going along with it


Top military and diplomatic officials got their marching orders Sunday evening from President Obama ahead of a planned speech Tuesday in which he's expected to outline his new Afghanistan war strategy and call for about 30,000 more U.S. troops to be sent to the war zone.



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Binky
12-01-2009, 05:28 PM
I say we've been in both wars long enough and it's time to bring our people back home where they belong. It's draining our countries economy and killing or maiming some of our young. He needs to stop waltzing around doing the two step, and get with the program, and get them back here...... Could be he's been told that if he doesn't start bringing them back he could lose the next election......

Psychoblues
12-01-2009, 09:15 PM
Why should anyone pay any attention to someone that has consistently been against anything the President has proposed? I say, Fuck 'Em.

Can i buy you a drink?

:beer::cheers2::beer:

:laugh2:

Jeff
12-02-2009, 07:17 AM
Why should anyone pay any attention to someone that has consistently been against anything the President has proposed? I say, Fuck 'Em.

Can i buy you a drink?

:beer::cheers2::beer:

:laugh2:

Welcome Back Psyco

And I guess when and if the president ever does anything he promised or worth a shit he may get credit for it, He proposed a bunch of shit and hasn't done a damn thing, nuff said

namvet
12-02-2009, 09:23 AM
he's gonna do a total pull out in 2011. to get the liberal protesters off his back

bullypulpit
12-02-2009, 06:10 PM
My plan is simple. Pull out all foreign troops and airlift every thing with a vagina out of the country..except for the odd sheep or goat.

stephanie
12-02-2009, 06:30 PM
My plan is simple. Pull out all foreign troops and airlift every thing with a vagina out of the country..except for the odd sheep or goat.

good grief bully dearie, maybe we could classify you a transvestite and ship you out too...see ya, wouldn't want to be ya when you drop into Iran.

Joyful HoneyBee
12-02-2009, 06:55 PM
Interesting, eh.....a time line for pulling the plug on this war. I've heard of such things being said before, but have never seen it transpire in reality.

A surge was bound to happen, it pretty much had to happen. For all the soldiers who are there now, this is really good news because, like our mothers always told us, there is more safety in numbers. I really don't care about all the political haggling about all this, all I care about is that our troops are as safe as possible while working in the a**hole of the world.

Now since they are sending more troops, and I already knew they were because a few soldiers I know personally have already been deployed, others who were set to deploy in the spring were moved up to deploy in November....there was no other scenario that could have played out, but, back to the topic...now that there are more there and more to go, we really need to rally for these troops and do all the good we can for them.

My son gave his sister a 'care package' list that would be common to every soldier on the ground. Instead of spending so much time embroiled over the political issues, couldn't we just stand up for our troops and put together little care packages for them? Wouldn't that be the most American, non-partisan thing to do?

These soldiers are going to need simple things like wet wipes, toothpaste, toothbrushes, body wash, deodorant, hand sanitizer and such. If you belong to a church, maybe you could put out some collection boxes and let other members of the congregation contribute; kids at school can do this too. Nothing will make them feel the love more than receiving packages from people who care about their well being. Contact the local Red Cross and ask if they have a list of soldiers who have expressed the need to receive kindness from strangers. If you have a family member serving, look to their needs and the needs of members of their unit.

Politicians are going to do and say whatever ..... but, those troops are going to be in a wretched place, trying to serve and protect people who may or may not be trustworthy. Whether you agree with this war or not, they have to be there, so let's send them little pieces of home to remind them that they are loved. :salute:

namvet
12-02-2009, 07:44 PM
so they all died for nothing. reminds me of another war

Gaffer
12-02-2009, 07:51 PM
Really going do a lot to morale. Let's see. You know your going to be there for X amount of time. So you hunker down and wait. The enemy knows your going to be there for an X amount of time. So they hunker down and wait. Nothing gets accomplished. No one wants to put themselves on the line.

All the thousands that died over the past 8 years are wasted lives cause there is nothing to show for the entire war. Hell of a strategy if you ask me. He'll be inviting bin laden for tea at the white house soon.

namvet
12-02-2009, 07:55 PM
is war left best to the politicans???? I have my doubts now

cat slave
12-02-2009, 09:12 PM
Welcome Back Psyco

And I guess when and if the president ever does anything he promised or worth a shit he may get credit for it, He proposed a bunch of shit and hasn't done a damn thing, nuff said

Hear, hear....or here, here.....:clap::clap::clap: